Germany is not supporting chat control
This means that the proposal has once again been blocked. Wouldn't have expected that from our government TBH. Nice one!
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Some good fucking news.
See you guys next year to push it back again.
Maybe you should force referendums forbidding it and like mass warrantless surveillance including using data broker info without oversight.
Petition signatures demanding one, might take a bit but it is the only way to stop them. Short of electing better reps. Somehow that is not possible anywhere in the west on balance though.
You know what, you're right. Given the state of things we are far beyond just being reactive to that shit and have to proactively stop it. I'm sure there are already efforts in that direction, I'll look into it.
Or forcing the proponents of these reforms to reveal themselves. AFAIK they're proposing this crap to hit on everyone's privacy while keeping their own identities anonymous.
EU Constitution with a proper Bill of Rights of some sort including not being spied on by the government, unless permitted by a court or something similar.
We already have it, they want to take it away ,The European Union recognizes privacy as a human right through two main legal instruments: the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union and the European Convention on Human Rights. The Charter's Article 7
Then they'll just create secret courts, which will permit carte blanche spying en mass.
@hector the masses are too easily driven to bad decisions out of fear.
Just consider the power of junk like the Sun, Bild and other rage-fear-and-misinformation “news” outlets.
Idk with a little organization we could easily drive that fear towards our own ends, protecting us from government and organized groups didn't even more of our info.
Here in the United States we have achieved a number of things through referendums that our politicians would never do.
Like legalizing marijuana, my state of Michigan we ended gerrymandering by giving the drawing of legislative districts to an independent body as Arizona did before.
We have enshrined voting rights into the state constitution. Raised the minimum wage, although the lawmakers did rat fuck that through a quirk of our system that allows them to vote it in after it gets approved for the ballot but they cut the cost of living adjustment out of it.
A loophole we are trying to close but that effort got rat fucked as well so far.
We are working on ranked Choice voting right now.
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Don't get tired. They will absolutely come again.
It is tiring and frustrating to know that it'll more than likely be back. At this point, we need a law that makes sure that this kind of surveillance is never legal. But the hurdles for that are unfortunately way higher than just getting a blocking minority.
Anyone who doesn't reflexively proclaim DATENSCHUTZ!!! at this, isn't a true German.
Unfortunately our social democrats are in favor of chat control too, it was Ylva Johanssons idea to begin with.
Hope you guys don’t develope an Americanized healthcare system
I fear that's exactly what's happening, little by little. The rich put themselves in the private services and let the public ones go to shit.
A tale as old as time. Perhaps we ought to limit maximum wealth 👀
Something good coming from this government? I can not believe it.
I was thinking: Something good finally came of DDR and Stasi.
They also made great glassware
I really didn't think this German government was going to oppose chat control. Well, apparently even the broken clock is right every once in a while.
Apparently datenschutz is still a unifying issue
In Germany we schütz Daten, not Menschen. At least that's what my German co-worker used to say during our project to become GDPR compliant.
And we don't even really schütz Daten, anyway.
Well it's what you get when you decide to instill democratic values in every school child for decades. Perhaps we should make note of that?
Someone tell the AfD, its voters and the conservative politicians who are so intrigued by their policies.
The EU made some great decisions. Chat control is NOT one of them.
Wait huh? That is unexpected
If you were paying attention it shouldn't be surprising. Privacy is the sort of thing that Germans generally get very worked up about.
I am german i know how high it is in germany. BUT german politicians are also constantly pushing for chat control. Especially the ruling partys SPD, CDU and CSU.
Axel Voss, the idea and guy behind article 13 SPD minister presidents and MPs constantly advocate and want chat control So the CDU and CSU "to controll and protect against pedos and terrorists"
Wasn't Germany also opposed the two previous times it was proposed?
Very different goverment. Middle-left vs. middle-extreme right.
Still had SPD in it, no? And FDP.
Yes, but…. Our government don’t care about what the people in Germany want. Nit even the people in Germany care about what the people in Germany want…
But weren’t they undecided at first?
They were undecided at first
Nice!!!
I dont like the current german goverment but in this case they did the right thing. Good on them.
You mean the left thing, because parties on the right usually like surveillance 🤣
The German Afd was against it though. They may be nazi scum, but I can't shit on them on this particular topic.
I am 100% sure that the fascists will implement stuff way way worse once they manage to get into power.
They are against it because they need to use Signal to coordinate nazi activities.
Once they get in government, they'll want the backdoors to keep themselves in power.
Yet again in recent history Germany saves us from our incompetent wannabe fascist leaders.
Yay Deutschland! 💪
Halleluja
German politicians are actually pulling some Ws. Even vdL made some good moves last week.
Good to see, maybe we'll get somewhere.
Yeah, not happy about the move to make medicinal cannabis more restrictive, but this is a win at least.
Great news!
The dacia sandero?
It's finally coming to England.
Do you remember when Clarkson finally just gave May a Sandero? Only to destroy it after a single drive
i got the impression that germans dont like the government snooping on them (stasi...) so they would never support these proposals in the first place?
Generally yes, there's always a lot of opposition to these kind of proposals in Germany. But the biggest party in power right now is known for its many attempts to massively increase surveillance.
And the fascist polling in second place would shred all our civil liberties in no time.
Neutral shouldn't be in the same as against imo.
The proposed EU Chat Control law is a threat to our democracy. What can you do to prevent it?
I sometimes wonder if there's something we could be getting behind to tip the scales the other way. It would be wonderful not to have to wait for this to show its ugly head again and instead have the pro-surveilance people on their heels trying to stop a pro-privacy movement.
Actively not supporting it or just not issuing any statement?
Actively not supporting it, at least in its current iteration.
That's the important part here.
Dobrindt is gonna hate this. Nice!
Why is there almost a north vs south divide?
Woah best news I've read today, that's awesome.
Deutschland über Alles!
Bruh...
National anthem?
Hasn't been part of it for a long time... For very good reasons. Let's not bring it back please. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sing that verse in Germany and I'd rather have it stay that way.
Really? I was unaware. I apologize
Sorry for sounding so harsh, I thought this was common knowledge but I appear to be mistaken. That verse was sung under the Nazi regime and essentially puts Germany above every other country and thing in the world. And that was Hitler's goal after all.
We stick with "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit für das deutsche Vaterland" since the end of WW2.