Spyke

Charlie Kirk. Kirk, 31, was the CEO...

He was only 31?

Geezus. Hate really does age you. I'm over 10 years his senior, and he looks 5 years older than me. And for once, this isn't a humble-brag.

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Funky_Beakreply
lemmy.sdf.org

Right?! Like my life has been sex drugs rock and roll but i have aged way less brutally.

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lemmy.world

I’m older than Laura loomer, and I’m a very pale smoker who doesn’t wear sunscreen. She looks at least a decade older than I do.

Edit: I remembered her name!

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ikiddreply
lemmy.world

Well, you certainly aren't the same species. He's a subhuman troglodyte and you probably aren't.

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lemmy.world

I would not have guessed he was 5 years younger than me. He looked like late 40s. Geez.

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i think its wierd features on his face. all his features are like compressed into the middle of his head. and seems to show signs of FETAL alcohol too.

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lemmy.world

Unfortunately, all of the competent people at the FBI left already.

Also, don't forget that Trump very likely fucked a child and is covering it up. Release the Epstein tapes...

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"a child"? Trump and Epstein were best friends for decades. Trump almost certainly fucked many multiple children.

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K.

In other news, Republicans blocked release of the Epstein files.

Where's the Epstein files and why is trump and Republicans covering it up?

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fedia.io

They don't even know where the shot was fired from, apparently.

It'd be amazing if they literally never figure this one out. There'll be conspiracy theories forever.

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Zaktorreply
sopuli.xyz

I dunno, for all the alt-right frothing, Charlie Kirk doesn't seem like someone anyone will think about even a month from now, let alone set up a pin board for.

He deserved what he got, but if I was making a list of worthy targets I'd probably forget to add him.

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He deserved what he got, but if I was making a list of worthy targets I'd probably forget to add him.

Brutal, hilarious and true.

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I don’t l ow much about the guy, but per AP News (de facto genocide deniers), Kirk was instrumental in vetting Trump loyalists.

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Rakonatreply
lemmy.world

Legit forgot he existed till I woke up from my nap this afternoon and the internet was on fire about the shooting and shortly there after his declaration of death.

Was a bit surprised a few discord servers I was on was trying to spin it like this was something the left always does and gets away with. When i asked for them to give a source to that they freaked out and tried to get a mod to ban me. Good times.

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Yeah, there's a rotating cast of grifters that are making the world worse but aren't really individually important in the larger fascist project. And political shootings are almost entirely from the right. The last political shooting from the left I can think of is the congressional baseball shooting nearly a decade ago.

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I got myself banned from a discord server for daring to refuse to express sympathy for his death and calling him a Neo-Nazi instead. One of the moderators is very conservative, unsurprisingly

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Id probably would've added him but as halftime entertainment. Id force him and Kent Hovind to duel to the death, winner gets fed to the wood chipper legs first.

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Charlie Kirk doesn’t seem like someone anyone will think about even a month from now, let alone set up a pin board for.

He was a big mouthpiece for their propaganda. My coworkers yesterday were a surprising bunch, because apparently many of their families enjoyed listening to his "debates."

Underestimating the influence of 'influencers' is part of what got us trump in the first place.

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Honestly I didn't even know who he was, but clearly he was low hanging fruit with minimal security protection. The scariest thing about that video is thousands of young people at a "University" cheering on hate.

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lemmy.world

Which is what makes him the perfect sacrificial lamb to justify a military crackdown on protests and such.

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He also showed a little bit of rebellion on Epstein before snapping quickly back into approved messaging.

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Rothereply
piefed.social

True. But what if there is a list, and whoever did it is just starting from the bottom?

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rainwallreply
piefed.social

They made Babbit a matyr, and she rushed Capitol police during a violet mob attack on Congress, through a barricade, while cops shouted for her to stop. The cop that killed her fired a single, controlled shot. He was not firing wildly or with malice. She was ex military, and should have realized what guns drawn and warnings about deadly force meant. Bystanders next to her admitted to hearing the police warning her as she breached the barricades, but she did it anyway.

Her mother just got a 5 million dollar settlement from the government and she got a full military burial with honors.

They don't need an actual reason for a martyr. They will invent reasons after the fact regardless of what happens.

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IF we ever regain control, we should forcibly take back the money, and dump her body on their front lawn.

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lennybirdreply
lemmy.world

Trump admin won't let this go to waste. They'll find a suitable patsy, then justify taking guns away from everyone except card carrying nazis, I mean GOP members.

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lemmy.ca

We can just use the same language. "It was suicide, the gunshot video is AI".

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ssroxnakreply
lemmy.world

Nah they'll pass an assault weapon ban first, get the liberals to cheer it on. Some Democrats will start to lean Trump just to get guns taken away, then full gun control will be enacted.

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talreply
lemmy.today

I guess they need the bullet to lodge in something solid to trace a path backwards.

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I gotta imagine with all the videos it's possible. They'd have a rough trajectory through the neck and video of exactly how he was sitting.

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lemmy.world

My local news reported that a black clad figure was seen running across a rooftop immediately following the shooting so they’re trying to ID who it was. It’s the same rooftop where there have already been reports the shot likely came from. I forget the name of the building though.

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I heard they found the gun in Luigi's backpack. He hasn't touched the backpack in months, and he's been locked up all this time, which only proves how diabolical he really is.

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lemmy.cif.su

Looking forward to a disproportionate amount of resources being dedicated to finding this guy's killer because he was popular.

America is a joke and its working class is the punchline.

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I don't know if we can even argue that it's disproportionate. Anywhere you go on the web, this is all anyone is talking about. It's not media companies shoving the story down our throats - this is all the working class wants to be talking about right now. With this much public attention the response is going to be proportional to the amount of people who are paying attention to this topic.

I get that this person isn't as important to care about compared to many many other people suffering and being killed around the world, but we can't deny that a huge huge number of people are interested in engaging with this topic and some of them even want the shooter to be found.

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Can't they just pin it on Luigi?
They did exactly that to him before, why not again?
Just because he's in custody?
Mollycoddles!

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Just waiting for them to find a backpack and a manifesto written with the left hand of a police officer.

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untorquerreply
lemmy.world

Probably fled the state by now. You'll have to expand the search to guys with high powered rifles in the greater western US.

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zergtoshireply
lemmy.world

Why limit it to the US?
Could've been related to Venezuelan drug lords.

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Well by now yes they could be anywhere in the world. I was speaking at time of post with my understanding of the original timeline, faulty as it may have been 2min after waking up lol. They might be at mcmurdo for all we know now

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lemmy.world

Meaning they don't think the person who shot him was black, trans or had mental health issues.

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lemmy.world

Well according to the community forum for my crazy neighborhood it's definitely a minority trans person who did this.

Also all mass shootings were done by trans people. Not even joking.

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Trans people are like sub 1% of the us population. These guys are busy.

I really don't understand how you can actually believe something like that. Because of my wild 20's i happen to know a lot of trans or gay or LGBTQ people in general, or more than the average person. If they were that violent, i would know so many murderers. In reality they are just the nicest people imaginable. I get that they obviously don't know trans people, probably have never seen one, or if they did, they didn't even know. But even that fact should make you wonder, no? I was at work and some random guy complained about how many jews live here and why that's a problem, and i just thought that i don't even know any jew. I worked for one once, and every now and then i see three or four walking around, but only recognise them because they are orthodox and dress like amish people. I actually had to look it up and in and around the next city, there are only 2000 jews, like what are you on about?

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That’s funny because he was literally answering a question about trans mass shooters when his neck exploded.

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Warl0k3reply
lemmy.world

WSJ is claiming that the rounds recovered from the weapon used had pro trans / "antifascist" things engraved on the bullets - make of that what you will. Generally WSJ's reporting is factually accurate but incredibly biased, so there's that? Fuckin' hell though this is already such a fucking clusterfuck.

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Warl0k3reply
lemmy.world

That's completely standard in journalism - and the WSJ, despite being an aggressively horrible publication politically and morally, is quite respected for the strict veracity of it's reporting. I don't doubt they were told that, by a reputable source. I have no idea if it's true beyond that however, since the trump admin isn't exactly overflowing with decent quality human beings.

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lemmy.world

Absolutely. I am not doubting the WSJ’s reporting, but the “sources” part. The claim seems as convenient and absurd as a Deanna Raybourn novel.

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Oh, then I quite apologize for misunderstanding & I totally agree.

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Like I said, truly awful morally. Not about to argue against that. But your link doesn't speak to their adherence to reporting strictly true (if heavily manipulated as to the apparent context and implications) information, which is all I've claimed. They fuckin' suck, but they know that, and they delight in being able to pull a charlie kirk smug face and pull out the recipts when challenged on it.

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MaxPow3r11reply
lemmy.world

If that's actually the case

then I think it's just as likely

that this was done by fascists

to justify a "war" against "leftists".

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I can't say I would be surprised for that to be the case.

I think it's far more likely for it to have been one decent person who couldn't take the constant hatred spewed by Kirk. Everyone knows this has been brewing, for it to finally pop on Mr 'Puts His Punchable Face Right Out There And Taunts You For Not Hitting Him" himself isn't much of a surprise.

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Probably a bad idea that you purged everyone in law enforcement who was good at their job but not a chud.

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My thoughts exactly.

And just like in the case Luigi became popular for, the overwhelming reaction to this kind of self-defense could've been foreseen.

You don't win against bullies by adhering to the social contract; they break the social contract, you need to do the same.

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lemmy.world

They're looking for a white male ages 14 to 79 in Utah. So. Basically looking for a needle in a stack of several million needles.

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mhaguereply
lemmy.world

Telecom black rooms, Flock mass AI surveillance, NSA secret catalogue of zero days... we control the internet backbone and a lot of traffic flows through our country just because it's cheaper to route that way.

That's why we have fusion centers right? You can't use your fancy spy tech without people parallel constructing a plausible scenario for how someone was really caught.

Maybe they know where the shooter is right now and they're just waiting for people to finish the story. Social media post, a call to an old friend, have a tip placed anonymously, suddenly they find him at McDonald's.

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They might find the shooter analyzing footage of the area but if the camera setup had anywhere near as many holes as any other college I've been to their chances are low, basically hoping social media got the shooter in the background.

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It's also odd bc within hours of somebody being shot on a public street there was a video and sketch released, but with this guy they allegedly have ccTV footage of him, but they haven't even released it to the public

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That's not the most dystopian surveillance tech around. It gets both more intrusive and more effective...

Think constant drone surveillance over a whole region. High res cameras, massive storage and long loiter times with glider like drones. You can just keep recording, and then when something like this happens, you just play the video back for the whole last day, following your suspect backward in time to when they left their home in the morning. The system isn't even all that expensive to operate.

Say goodbye to privacy.

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Let’s throw in some haystacks too. We really need to see what we’re dealing with here.

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Jokes on them, it was a brown woman with one of those ultra realistic masks.

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3lawsreply
lemmy.world

May he never be found and retires down in a nice shack in the woods.

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Let's just go with a billionaire, any truly. But I'm fine with Elon 🫡

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lemmy.ca

They're trying really hard to get you to forget about the Epstein philes eh?

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We just need to keep on 'em and they'll keep bumping off right-wing grifters. It's win-win.

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fedia.io

Ah, so a kash run psyop to distract from the Epstein files

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I don’t know about you, but I feel so focused right now on those files. The distraction didn’t work. :(

Guess they’ll have to try again with another one.

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Maybe they have too many FBI agents helping dissapear brown people and scrubbing Trump's name from the Epstein files.

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piefed.social

And the conspiracy theories are are already flowing. Apparently Kirk was convinced Israel was going to assassinate him so he had more security and wore body armor during public appearances recently. Another is that he pissed off the Nazi's to the point they wanted him gone. Another is that it was a distraction op.

It's been a fun read the last few hours. Like "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" so....it was probably a baby.

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Yeah, but the people controlling him, like some sort of geriatric meat marionette, are that smart. They are the ones putting the Executive Orders in front of this senile bag of burgers and controlling exactly what he says. The only time you get a glimpse behind the scenes is when he nervously flagilates on Live TV and doesn't have a prompter to guide him along.

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I’m not saying that it’s true, or even attempting to assert it.

We are however to the point where this isn’t that crazy of an idea, it’s not out of the realm that these fucks would do this in my mind.

No proof or evidence either.

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That implies he can play chess. I do see the logic, I could see someone wanting to sac a pawn. There are a lot of dumb theories about who could be playing Trump, like the Russians, or Thiel or whoever, so I don't want to speculate who

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yeah this wouldn't surprise me at all especially now with the "FBI can't find the shooter!" shit. My tinfoil hat says distraction op.

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A Great Bishop! A LEGENDARY, even, Bishop. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

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Because all conspiracy theories, after you strip away all the overly elaborate chains of communication, the gob smackingly large amount of people who would need to know and be completely silent, and overly complex reasons, always ends up back to the Jews.

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He was claiming that Epstein was a Mossad agent & demanding that Trump release the Epstein files.

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piefed.ca

Hi FBI, I have great news! I've done extensive My Own Research and after carefully reviewing the footage, maps of the university, and consulting with the gods of psilocybin, I have concluded with a high degree of certainty that his neck just kinda did that. Hope this helps!

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lemmy.ca

Led by "it was clearly suicide" Kash Patel. While all evidence slipped away, they had the wrong guy in custody for 6 hours. This was a critical window but a bunch of sycophant gravy seals are not going to figure this out.

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lemmy.world

I’m willing to bet they’ll still find somebody to pin this on. Somebody whose skin isn’t lily white, and whose name may sound slightly foreign.

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I'm guessing the exact opposite. I'm guessing the perp will be white bread leaning hard left.

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leminal.space

Considering they went after kirk instead of a bigger fish it's probably somebody deeply personally offended by his minimization of school shootings. That should just narrow it down to all the people who survived a school shooting or lost somebody to one. That's a short list right?

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Might need to check out the people that were the victims of anti-LGBTQ+ violence in the last decade or so, should be a pretty short list still

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Honestly if you are going to kill someone in a high profile incident Utah is probably the best place. Easy to get into easy to get out of, for all we know the killer is gambling in Blackjack Nevada after proving their luck with that shot.

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lemmy.world

I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't lots of open carry types there too making it almost impossible to figure out who to suspect. The school allowed guns on campus.

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ssroxnakreply
lemmy.world

Like a law banning guns on colleges and a few signs would have stopped this

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You missed the point, it wouldn't stop it, he meant that since everyone open carries, the amount of suspects significantly increases, and no one would find it suspicious for someone to be carrying a gun on campus.

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You don't get the point of those laws and signs. You see. If it's illegal to bring weapons to that area, then you can stop someone BEFORE they start shooting people. You can even charge them and take their guns away. You know they're doing something illegal, because they are armed illegally. Look at the Vegas shooter, he openly carried an absurd amount of legally possessed weaponry into a hotel room, no questions asked. If that wasn't legal? Well. He'd have to actually put some effort into this.

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lemmy.ml

really i'd think a would-be assassin would prefer a state without the death penalty and a state that they also wouldn't have to leave so as to avoid federal charges.

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Who said they're from Utah? I'm just stating that Utah is the cross section of many highways not even accounting for dirt mountain roads, it'd be relatively easy to get your shit together in advance "go camping in a remote area" and then put a round in Kirk. Then it's just a matter of putting as much distance between you and the scene while leaving as little physical evidence it was you. If they can avoid getting caught for about a week I suspect they'll be home free.

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Mossad / CIA isn't going to care about that.

They would also go thru the trouble of engraving bullets they never intended on firing.

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Don’t ya’ll worry. Big K Patel got this handled. Trump hired the best & brightest. Let’s Go Brandon!

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lemmy.zip

I think the shooter was good, but not a professional. They knew enough to sight in their scope accurately, but not enough to account for bullet drop. Nobody aims for the neck. Odds are he was aiming for the head. If you zero in your sight for 100 yards, the bullet can drop 3 or 4 inches once it gets to 200. And he seems to have disappeared without a trace, so he planned it well. I assume he cleaned up after himself. Odds are they'll never find him.

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lemmy.world

Him? You mean they/them, right? Cause it was obviously a far-left transgender liberal progressive with blue hair. The whole GOP said so on Twitter. Surely they can't be using this death to trigger more violence, can they?

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Raiderkevreply
lemmy.world

Looks like a white male to me. Likely on the right side of the aisle judging by the attire. I think that whole thing about the bullets / guns having messages on them is grade a horse shit.

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That's some dude they found that looks kinda suspicious which is currently their best guess for who the shooter might be, not the confirmed THIS GUY IS THE SHOOTER guy

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lemmy.world

Yeah, a lot of people have been going on about "he must have had sniper training" and I'm like no man, 200 yards is a pretty normal shot for a hunter. Heck I've shot deer at 150 with iron sights.

I'm inclined to agree with you on the whole probably just a guy who went to the range that fell down a rabbit hole.

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Crozekielreply
lemmy.zip

I saw someone saying he must have been a professional because he "hit a spot smaller than a quarter from 200 yards"... Like, my dude, you are assuming the goal was to hit that exact spot? Every bullet "hits a spot smaller than a quarter" from every range. I agree this wasn't likely to be the first time this person held or shot a rifle, but he also doesn't need to be Jason Bourne...

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lemmy.ca

big difference from making that shot on a target field, and knowing you are going to kill someone, and have to get away with it. No amateur would have taken one single shot, see the Trump shooting.

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It's a bolt action, at a pretty typical hunting range (142 yds is the estimate).

Its not all that outrageous of a shot. A good shot, and a skilled one. But not at all unusually skilled.

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Crozekielreply
lemmy.zip

It was a bolt action rifle, not an AR like was used in the Trump shooting, you aren't going to fire 3 rounds before you know what the first one did. And you are assuming an average person in a mental state that both understands and cares about the sanctity of life.

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oozynozhreply
sh.itjust.works

and, why not? Oswald famously managed to fire three deadly accurate (magical, even) bullets from his Carcano 38 within mere 7 seconds.

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Oswald was a marine.

His target was moving and he had a very limited line of site, and still managed to hit 2 out of 3 shots.

That kinda shit is what professional shooters can do.

This was 1 shot at a fairly standard range on a target literally sitting in a chair on a well lit stage. You don’t need to be a professional to make that shot. I’ve had friends on their first day shooting make shots like that with a decent rifle, some coaching, and about 10 rounds of practice at shorter ranges.

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Derpgonreply
programming.dev

Even picked up the shell casing. And not bystanders casualities. Not a pro, but certainly not an amateur.

Where was this guy when Tronald Dump had his speech...

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Derpgonreply
programming.dev

Well, it could've been, but it is really not that important. Worst case it takes aways from his professionality.

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Derpgonreply
programming.dev

Bolt action ejects the casing as well, given you perform the bolt action. Not sure how confident they were the first shot will be enough, and time is everything so I assumed they performed the bolt action to prepare to finish the job if anything didn't go according to plan.

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Or was one of the few people who have that custom shirt. Whoops.

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ubergeekreply
lemmy.today

The shooter could have been aiming center mass, and aimed a bit high? Good thing, too, as Kirk was wearing body armor!

I do agree, not a pro. Just a decent shot with a typical hunting rifle.

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I assume they couldn't see his head because being under the tent and shooting from a upward position so they shot what they could see

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lemmy.world

The assassin will never be caught. Law enforcement couldn't solve a crossword puzzle if the answer is not handed to them directly.

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Law enforcement usually does not care enough to solve a crossword puzzle - but there's surprisingly few cases that can't be solved through the careful application of an overwhelmingly massive surveillance apparatus (See: luigi - who could have gotten away with it had they not managed to find the hostel camera footage)

I'm really hoping this proves not to be the case here, just including the prior as a caution to anyone planning to be gay and do crimes that you can't actually discount the cops completely. (And from having worked with LE in the past, the absolute #1 way to not get caught is to never ever tell anyone about it. Not your friends, not your mom, lips sealed no matter how cool it was. The number of calls in to their tip lines with people ratting out friend-of-friends is crazy.)

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Law enforcement was involved in it. This is clearly a operation to support denying trans folks of owning guns.

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lemy.lol

I guess the shooter is camping somewhere in the woods in the wider Utah forests area 🏕

  • hard to find
  • has thrown away the gun already
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lemmy.world

has thrown away the gun already

No way, I'm sure he's kept the gun with him, along with a hard copy of his manifesto, just like Luigi did! It's just what you do after you assassinate somebody.

/s

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And the fake ID that was allegedly used to check into the hotel room and rent the e-bike or whatever it was.

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rumbareply
lemmy.zip

Hey Fred, do we still have that manifesto and gun we used with Mangione? I think we're gonna need it again.

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Luigi Lawyer: Guess Luigi isn't the killer since the same gun killed someone else while he was in custody!

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lemmy.zip

Why would they need to do that? Just go to a gun show. Conduct a "private purchase" of a Mauser. Kill some vermin. Go back to live your life. The gun probably isn't connected to that person in any traceable way.

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lemy.lol

AFAIK some signs of usage are on the gun and left on his hands from the pressure when firing shortly after the shot was fired? Also I thought every gun in the USA is labeled with a code to identify them? I thought because of this they could also sink the gun into some random river or water-body. I guess this would be hard to find.

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lemmy.world

They have serial numbers, but many states don't require firearm registration or recording private sales. Back when I lived in the States, the state I lived in required an initial background check if purchasing from a retailer. After that, it could change hands five times with no records.

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lemy.lol

So basically you are saying Serial Numbers are useless to proof ownership?

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lemmy.zip

Why find them when you can keep a boogie man in your back pocket for when times call for one?

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I’m sure they will be checking in on Biden this morning. Old sleepy joe is at it again. The evil master mind that is also a bumbling idiot. It’s amazing how much he can do for being so old and tired.

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lemmy.world

I've been wondering and did some research for the lazy - seems like capture innevitable though.

I searched around in almost every contemporary (2010+) assassin has been caught or identified in the developed world. I could only find a few cases in Europe and Ukraine where high profile assassinations hadn't been resolved but only because the assassins are ruzi agents.

Seems like modern police tools can really find anyone given enough resources and motivation.

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andros_rexreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, I can see them nabbing a random trans woman to fit their narrative. Then use to justify that removal of 2A, classification of trans people as “domestic terrorists,” justify stochastic terrorism against trans people…

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But Charlie told me trans people were unhinged and responsible for mass shootings, not highly precise targeted assassinations. Just go ask Char… oh, right.

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sh.itjust.works

Yeah but they've recently cleaned house and fired every single person they believed was somehow involved in January 6th. Even those that just handled paperwork.

It's pretty concerning they've already botched this so badly.

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lemmy.world

My man Luigi should've waited a couple months for the new administration to come in before doing it. Would've 100% gotten away with it too.

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Luigi is not guilty. He doesn't have anything he needs to get away with.

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Oh, you guys looking for Mario Brother? He was with me in IB all day playing Schedule I and smoking some nice weed.

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aussie.zone

I'm really disappointed that the shooter won't be found.

Now I don't know who to project my good vibes and gratitude to.

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lemmy.world

Honestly they might have even less then they did on Luigi, there is no video, at least clear video of the shooter. It was from 200 feet away, if he used a bolt action and was smart he didn't even cock the gun so the casing stays inside the gun.

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Whoever did this will have been at a party, far away, which dozens of people can confirm.

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pharreply
lemmy.ml

Is MAGAT supposed to be MAGA Tard?

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lemmy.world

They won't catch the shooter because Kash Patel doesn't want them to.

If it was a Mossad. mafia or CIA hit, they are probably not even in the country anymore.

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lemy.lol

Never say something is malice, when it could be just simple incompetence.

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