Spyke
piefed.world

So many things I want to say, but won't because it'll probably get me banned....

So...

Thoughts and prayers!

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Selenireply
lemmy.world

They say you should only say good things about the dead.

Charlie Kirk is dead. Good.

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Joereply
lemmy.world

I got perm banned from Reddit for saying that the only good Nazi...

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mrgoosmoosreply
lemmy.ca

nah, the mods over at /news are going ban happy if anybody says anything resembling approval of the outcome of this event

pretty pathetic considering the community and instance rules weren't broken

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I guess they just got pissy at me when I called them out on it because they removed one of my comments that wasn't even as "bad" as a bunch of others I see over there now

so they're just pissy little cunts, I guess

"finally some good news jfc maybe we're not cooked???" is what they removed as "praising/promoting violence", which is (1) inaccurate, and (2) not even against the rules of the instance or community

then I called them out on deleting anti-Nazi comments and they got butthurt

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Join my anti-prayer circle! Meant to undo all the praying the Christians aren't doing, but claimed to do. We'll do nothing and succeed.

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Butterfly kisses on that pretty neck.

America... Legal modern Mafia.. he was a fed pawn that got taken out by other pawns of feds.

This is what it looks like when Americans stage a coup...

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You reap what you sow, and this dipshit sowed a whole bunch of hate and now he suffered his concequences. Bye bye default Mii Character, you were a shit stains shit stain.

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lemmy.world

He was shot in the neck and is presumably dead, as a staggering loss of blood was reportedly observed.

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feddit.org

That's a trained shot... I bet they are going to blame it on a socially autistic kid.

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It's a lucky shot. No trained shooter is going to aim for the neck, so whoever shot him missed their target but still managed to hit a vital spot.

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WillFord27reply
lemmy.world

Spewing horrific quantities of shit better left inside, traumatizing and radicalizing all young people that witness it?

Yeah sounds right

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That and making, in what should be seen as the sole crowning jewel upon a veritable turdwagon of a life as a professional waste of carbon, the best argument in favor of gun violence since Brian Thompson

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LapeLusareply
piefed.social

So talking is traumatizing, but mutilating children that can't even choose what they eat is just fine?

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Asafumreply
feddit.nl

I think he's going to live... He's in critical condition and the absolute worst scum on this earth never die, especially not young.

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Now that’s an obituary I can read with great satisfaction.

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piefed.social

Another former president, Democrat Bill Clinton, wrote on X that he was saddened and angered by the killing, adding he hoped “we all go through some serious introspection” and “redouble our efforts to engage in debate passionately, yet peacefully.”

Apparently Clinton can go fuck himself.

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Raireply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I mean he IS a certified Epstein island pedophile, soooo

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Jaxreply
sh.itjust.works

A martyr for what, though? His platform has made guns a part of their identity, that isn't going to change.

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lemy.lol

He was very outspoken about Christianity and conservatism. Historically, every time Christians have been publicly killed, Christianity spreads more rapidly.

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Jaxreply
sh.itjust.works

I upvoted you, I recognize what you're getting at. I think that circumstances are so fucked that it's still too early to tell how it will be spun, but Christianity and martyrdom certainly go hand in hand as you say.

Perhaps they'll 'capture' the shooter and it will be a trans person. Idk, you aren't wrong for thinking this is a possibility.

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HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Yep talking about hatred and spewing right wing screed.

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lemmy.world

I'm not calling for violence, but I would be so very pleased if we have nazi hunters again.

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Etterrareply
discuss.online

I think it's time to stop being so nice about it. People like him encourage cruelty and violence. I think it's time to stop treating them with empathy until they learn his to be civil human beings again.

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gbzmreply
piefed.social

Tolerance is not an absolute principle, it's just a social contract. People who breach it aren't protected by it; end of paradox.

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Yeah well fuck him then, Lt Aldo Raine is a perfect example of how to deal with Nazis though

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lemmy.world

I am. It's a reality of humanity. Most of us would like peace myself included. But to have peace, you have to be able to defend it. You can't be passive. It's kind of the idea of why you would have military, people ready and willing to fight to preserve the peace from those that end peace.

My great-grandfather wasn't exactly sad when he helped take down the Nazis. And I'm not going to be particularly sad when taking down a neo-Nazi. Sorry, they like to be called maga now.

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We must be intolerant of intolerance. Things tend to fall apart when we tolerate intolerance.

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Sadly, violence is definitely coming... soon. Mamdani better keep his head low tomorrow ... 9/11... I'm extremely worried of a significant violent event tomorrow focused around/near Mamdani.

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lemmy.world

We should honor him by not letting gun violence emotionally hijack the conversation.

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The most respectful thing we can do is honor his beliefs:

"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." - Charlie Kirk

""I think empathy is a made up New Age term that has done a lot of damage" - Charlie Kirk

"Guns save lives" - Charlie Kirk

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You're DISGUSTING! SOMEONE was Murdered with a GUN! HAVE SOME RESPECT!

We're talking about Charlie Kirk and NOT the School Shootings right? I NEED to make sure I'm on the Right Topic!

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sh.itjust.works

My coworker showed me the video. Then proceeded to tell me that he's been watching Kirk since last year and that it was probably a "transgender" that shot him. My coworker is Mexican. Also several other coworkers stated that they enjoy the things that he used to say.

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Vupwarereply
lemmy.zip

Yea this made the closet conservatives come out from under the woodwork. Instagram was awash with people posting his family photos that are otherwise outwardly apolitical.

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Selenireply
lemmy.world

Oooh do it

That one with Hitler and his dog is a good one

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Selenireply
lemmy.world

Just sweet, all-lovin’ folks, yeah? /s

Someone with a Xitter account should be replying with these on all those ‘family man’ posts popping up

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Honestly the Himmler one is kinda haunting since if memory serves who killed his own kids with cyanide during the siege of Berlin.

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LapeLusareply
piefed.social

I loved his debates. Not only was he always spot on, but left every single woke that tried to counter him stuttering like a circus seal, just like Ben Shapiro still does.

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Charlie Kirk gets fucking owned by this kid, Parker.

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He picks easy targets.

Even later on in the same debate when Charlie can pick ANYONE to debate. He deliberately picks the least confrontational person in the whole group.

(Hilariously enough, a black woman)

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Runawayreply
lemmy.zip

Well damn. That's some effective magic lol

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Funny, but also that "witch" trying to upsell protection spells because they sensed negative energy around them? Jesus.

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Jay
lemmy.ca

Saw the video and ya... he won't be walking that one off. Medical science has come a long way but that's testing the limits.

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MrVilliamreply
sh.itjust.works

I can't find video since everything is flooded with news people talking about it and won't show the actual footage. Got a link?

Edit: found one on mastodon. It's extremely NSFL. Do not watch if even remotely squeamish. I fucking hate that motherfucker and it was still pretty tough to watch. Very lights-out.

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Jayreply
lemmy.ca

I saved it, not sure where to post without it getting taken down tho...

Edit: If anyone wants to see it and can't find it, message and I can send a link. I don't want to post it here as it's probably against the rules. just be forewarned, it is NSFL and shows a lot of blood squirting.

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LemUserreply
lemmy.world

That wasn't squirting. That was a gusher. I doubt he even knew what happened. His hands instantly clenched. Immediate access to the machine elves.

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It's too bad that he just suddenly appeared in hell(*) looking around like Confused Travolta. It would have been more just if his brain had had a minute or two to process that after spending his life promoting guns, he was killed by a gun.

(* Yeah, hell doesn't exist, but he thought it did)

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The video is all over the internet. Up close, from far away. It’s snuff. CNN played it. It’s everywhere.

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lemmy.world

I feel like it’s cruel but this should be posterized and waved around his funeral. Maybe the people dressed in black will understand the concept of empathy then, violence really does seem to be the only language a fascist understands.

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bender223reply
lemmy.today

These ass hats tried to make empathy a bad word to give license for them to be evil. But they will lash out and cry when other ppl don't show them empathy. Fuck 'em.

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discuss.online

Elon Musk cried like a little bitch when people burned his teslas and protested his ass for being a nazi... and he did that right after saying that empathy is wrong.

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madjoreply
feddit.nl

I feel sorry for his kids, but I feel nothing for Kirk himself.

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lemmy.ca

I’m all for gun ownership but you can do better than just accepting mass numbers of deaths.

Make gun education a serious part of gun ownership. Guns shouldn’t be easily accessible to anyone regardless of training.

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fedia.io

Also American society needs serious unfucking at all levels. Conservatives are bonkers but the "gun deaths are due to mental health issues" argument has merit; healthy and well-adjusted people don't grab the closest murder weapon and kill random people. Guns are a scapegoat so that politicians can avoid addressing the real issues.

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lemmy.ca

I agree with you.

“Guns don’t kill people, people do,” is broadly true.

They sure make it easier though, which is why they shouldn’t be anywhere and everywhere.

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

healthy and well-adjusted people don't grab the closest murder weapon and kill random people

People are still fundamentally apes. People get angry, people get drunk or high, people are low on sleep. Well functioning societies realize that at times people are not healthy and well-adjusted and try to limit the damage that someone can do to themselves and others in those circumstances. The US isn't the only country in the world where people have mental health crises, or have road rage, or get depressed. What makes the US unique is that it makes tools for murdering people widely available to anybody who wants them.

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fedia.io

The US isn't the only country in the world where people have mental health crises, or have road rage, or get depressed

Yes, but it's one of the few first world countries who do almost nothing about it. Did you know mass shootings are on the rise in Europe too despite no relaxation of gun control laws? France is even talking about regulating knive sales due to knife-based crime. Not so coincidentally, this is happening in a time of social and economic uncertainty. Also, one reason I say it's a mental health thing is that America has more knife-based violent crime than, say, Britain. This points to a deeper factor beyond gun laws leading to the amount of gun violence in America, because as it turns out violence in America is just insane across the board. All countries have people with mental health crises, but the absolute inadequacy of the response to those crises and the number of financial and social destabilizing factors making them more frequent and worse is uniquely American. I mean, with nonsense like tent cities being a common thing of course gun crime will be through the roof. This would explain why places like Norway, Austria and Serbia are near the bottom of homicide rating lists and the top of gun ownership lists at the same time.

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Yes, but it's one of the few first world countries who do almost nothing about it.

It's true that the US social safety net is bad, but the US isn't that much more crazy than other places. If you search for "mental health care crisis in ______" you'll see every country thinks they have a mental health care crisis.

Did you know mass shootings are on the rise in Europe

Is this based on statistics or a feeling? Statistically it seems like it's a very low but steady rate, although statistics are skewed by Spiders Anders.

this is happening in a time of social and economic uncertainty

It's also happening at a time of mass social media where fear about this sort of thing spreads like wildfire.

one reason I say it's a mental health thing is that America has more knife-based violent crime than, say, Britain

Sure, but Brazil's stabbing death rate is 8x that of the US, I guess their mental health is 8x worse? South Africa is more than 30x the US rate, so they must have some really crazy people there. There are some other major differences between the UK and US, just like there are other major differences between the US and Brazil or the US and South Africa.

The US does have issues with its response to mental health, but it's not so different from other places. The lack of a social safety net in general causes problems. It means both untreated mental health issues, plus people living in poverty which leads to crime too. But, the bigger issue is that when Americans have a bad day, guns are so incredibly easily accessible.

Take a look at stabbing deaths in the UK vs. US and gun murders in the UK vs. the US. Yeah, stabbing deaths are maybe 50% higher, which points to something causing more violence. But, gun murders are 7000% higher, which suggests that the #1 issue really is access to guns.

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Americas entire culture around guns needs to change, not just a little bit more training and education.

People who misuse guns don't respect them or the power they yield. They views them as toys, and more often than not fuck around and find out.

Teaching them how to lock a gun up and telling them it's important won't change behaviours until people start to respect guns and fear them. Not casually pose with them for Christmas cards with their grandbaby in the room.

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Indeed. The USA is fairly unique in its gun culture - and violence. Far too casual. A .22 can kill a person, and there’s people driving kids to sports practice with 9mm and larger strapped to their bodies.

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Jaxreply
sh.itjust.works

I don't understand this line of thought

Everyone agrees that guns should be harder to access. Everyone agrees that the U.S. is now fascist.

Why the fuck would we cede control of our guns to a govt. that's shown it's incapable of doing anything but subjugating us? Seriously, why the fuck does that occur to any of you sharing this thought?

It makes me think you're controlled opposition, genuinely.

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Ikereply

Op was talking about gun education being a part of gun ownership. They said nothing about giving up guns.

There's more to gun control than just taking everyone's guns.

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People have been asking for gun control far longer than trump has been in office. The current acting president won't sway their opinions on that, but it might sway their opinions how extreme they want the control to be.

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This is what the first img that popped up when I searched "charlie kirk meme"

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mander.xyz

Is it odd that I am kinda stuck on the fact he was not shot in the head? Like all those years of people making his head huge and face small when they missed out on the guys neck.

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Yeah, It was a very damaging shot even still. Just seems off that the guy would get shot in the neck, somehow wrong that it was not in the head. But I think this is just my brain being weird about things.

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It was clearly a lucky missed shot. Nobody with any training would aim at the neck intentionally. So, the shooter missed the target but still hit a vital spot. Could be they aimed at his head and didn't account for the Earth's gravity pulling the bullet down. Or maybe they aimed at his chest and didn't account for his head's gravity pulling the bullet up.

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Seems like he probably deserved it. Probably more than those kids killed in schools yesterday and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the days before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and the day before and

Correction: I just remembered it was summer vacation recently so there was a brief hiatus of children getting murdered in schools. Sorry for the misinformation.

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Possibly through the spinal cord. I've watched it a few times and its hard to tell. This whole thing has made me emotionless when these horrible people get their karma. I still feel for people that are clearly victims but find it impossible to see someone like him as a victim.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

https://youtu.be/JFGQdvYIJ0M

https://youtu.be/RBgtdq3vuqg

https://delawareblack.com/charlie-kirk-on-race-key-statements-and-controversies/

Get wrecked white supremacist fascist, advocate for gun violence and against empathy means you shouldn't be surprised when someone takes you up on that bet.

"I told you once that I was searching for the nature of evil. I think I’ve come close to defining it: a lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants. A genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow man. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy." - G M Gilbert

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." - Karl Popper

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Manmothreply
lemmy.ml

Do those words mean you support the assassination of someone who was non-violent but expressed disagreeable viewpoints? That's not very tolerant.

By this standard anyone who supports such a thing should also be assassinated. (Note: anyone can define anything anyway they want to justify this)

This is why the paradox of tolerance is a stupid, poorly camouflaged advocacy for political violence.

Just own up to saying you want to kill your political enemies. It's more honest.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

If I got this right you took something I didn't say as your foundational point to argue against, said that I should say what you want me to say instead to be truthful, and that advocating for intolerance against the intolerant is dumb because you've defined it to either include or require political violence.

I guess you get points for boldness, but -10 points from gryphondorf for arguing with yourself.

And to be clear; supporting assassinations & enjoying the poetic justice of someone who advocated for gun violence and that some people should be killed for who they were born as and not their choices getting killed by a gun are not the same thing.

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"You're strawmanning me!"

Okay. Is the point of that comment that political assassinations of non-violent people should never happen?

What does Popper mean by "defend a tolerant society"? What do you think people should think when you post that now in a thread about a political murder?

Do you disavow the murder of Charlie Kirk?

Do you think it was immoral?

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There is a difference between not tolerating intolerance and actively calling for the killing of / celebrating the death of an intolerant person.

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Cruelreply
programming.dev

He did not support gun violence. Just blatant bad faith.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

He did support gun violence, wasn't his whole motif the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, and armed guards in schools to prevent mass shootings? That's clearly advocating for gun violence to avoid the obvious solution of better gun control regulations. He was willing to accept violent gun deaths in support of his 2a position.

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Using that logic, everyone who supports cops or the military using guns is a supporter of gun violence, and anyone who supports physical self-defense is a supporter of violence. Makes the notion of "supporting violence" politically pointless.

He was willing to accept violent gun deaths in support of his 2a position.

Yeah. Everything has a trade-off. I don't want swimming pools outlawed, so I have to accept that ~350 toddlers are going to drown accidentally in pools every year. That does NOT mean I support toddlers drowning, I just tolerate it as a cost. It's not like Kirk wanted deaths from gun violence.

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Imagine being Steven Crowder today. Half the Internet is out there celebrating your death because one fat headed white conservative man who goes on college campuses saying "debate me!" is indistinguishable from another one.

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Apparently his oldest just turned 3, his youngest is 18 months or so. I wonder how often they're going to be pushed in front of a camera in the next year or two. They're probably going to be raised hearing that their daddy was this wonderful man who died trying to make the US a better place. I just hope that when they're adults they're able to shake off the brainwashing.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I'm just sad that this means they're going to have to kill off Clyde in South Park now

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feddit.org

This only aged like milk if he was a hypocrite. Otherwise it was a sacrifice that he was willing to make and he led by example.

Someone wrote that he was wearing armor and had 8 body guards which suggests that he knew about the threat. So unlike others, he was willing to take the risk.

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People are likely projecting their own insincerity. They assume people have political positions strictly because it benefits them, typically because that's the only reason they themselves take a political position. The concept of having principles is absolutely foreign.

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May we all inherit the world that we strive to create.

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