Even magas can't be buying this, can they?
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Get this! Mike Johnson is now claiming — with no evidence whatsoever — that Donald Trump once served as an FBI informant to help dismantle sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s trafficking network. Johnson told reporters Trump “was an FBI informant in an effort to take Epstein down.”
I’M NOT JOKING!!! 🤣🤣
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So you're telling me Trump DID know about all the child-raping all along? And never said anything about it this whole time in the years after he had Epstein killed? The man who takes credit for EVERYTHING never once piped up to say "I turned Epstein in to the FBI"?
That's not the slam dunk you seem to think it is, Johnson.
Yes, that is what is means. Trump was chummy with Epstein for many years, knew about the child trafficking and took part in it. Epstein "stole" a young girl from Trump's resort and Trump got mad that Epstein took her out from under him. So, when Epstein wanted to buy a mansion, Trump used a Russian oligarch's money to outbid him. And Epstein was so pissed that he threatened to expose Trump's ties to Russia, and as a response, Trump turned Epstein in to the FBI. Alex Acosta was persuaded to give Epstein a sweetheart deal where he was not given Federal charges and got out on work release for up to 16 hours a day, 6 days a week, during his massively shortened sentence. And when Trump and Epstein later made up, Trump returned the favor to Acosta by giving him the Secretary of Labor position in his cabinet. So yeah, Trump "informing on Epstein to the FBI" definitely does not turn him into some kind of hero.
Excellent summary. What's your opinion om the possibility epstein was a honey pot? When confronted about the deal during his confirmation hearings, Acosta claimed that he was told epstein "belonged to intelligence" and that the matter was "above his pay grade." It could be a convenient and unverifiable excuse, but the fact that the FBI doubtless has mountains of evidence recovered from two raids on epstein and basically zero prosecution has arisen from it, I find it likely to be true.
In my opinion, we know enough from the victims of this sex ring to have pretty high confidence that Epstein was taking part in abusive sexual acts even in his own home, alone with the victims. So, if Epstein was acting as some kind of honey pot, it was because he was already doing these things and the government officials were either bribed or threatened, or under pressure from bribed and threatened officials not to go after a wealthy well-connected man like Epstein. And it is plausible they invented a honey pot cover so he could continue to get away with it. But even that I find unlikely, since if there was some kind of honey pot mechanism for this within the FBI, you would expect that some more significant portion of the powerful people we know are implicated would have had some kind of case levied against them. This sounds less like a well-intentioned plan to prosecute crime, and more like yet another glimpse over the crumbling facade of democracy. The more evidence we gather, the more we see how things really work. Rules are enforced often enough on middle-class people to give the impression that things are fair. And those people who believe in the fairness hold the fabric of society together and keep people from getting angry about the truth. That we are cattle and subject to the whims of a ruling class who take anything and anyone they want, whenever they want, and there are no mechanisms left in the system that have any ability to stop them anymore. There is no honey pot - not in any way that would have prevented the worst things from happening. If anything, it enabled further harm because of how broken the system is when it comes to what rich people are allowed to do. We can see the fence now. So, instead of spending too much energy arguing about whether we are fenced in or fenced out, we should start putting more of our energy into figuring out how to gain collective control of the gate.
The only way youre going to get a person to honey pot people with child sex is to get some one who is OK with or enjoys child sex. There isn't some righteous person out there saying, "Im a moral and just person but sure Ill abuse children if it helps the government."
It's almost as if they're trying to set up the claim that if he did fuck any kids, it was to protect them from the creeps that wanted to fuck them.
Sociopaths.
And how many times did he sample the product, just to be sure they were really underage?
Vote with lead.
Honestly, the fact that Trump is still alive is mind boggling.
We need some final destination plan for this mf.
I think we probably all have one or two
I want him to know it’s about to happen before it happens.
That's great Mike! I'm sure releasing the epstein files will show all that and exonerate your guy.
Donald Trump was an FBI Informant for a man who did NO WRONG and also does NOT Appear in the Epstein Files despite being REALLY Close to Epstein to bring him down and had SEX with CHILDREN to bring down Epstein who Continued bringing children to CHILD RAPE ISLAND for DECADES after Trump started Investigating him!
This can easily be discarded for just the fact that trump would have bragged about this a long time ago if true.
The problem is this is the exact cope that magats have been using since the flight logs were released, maybe even earlier.
"Trump good guy so if he was close with epstein it was OBVIOUSLY so he could take down the pedo ring!"
This will cause cognitive dissonance in approximately none of them.
He's a great agent. It was real savy of trump to buy a teen pageant and then publicly brag about molesting pageant girls. Great undercover work, that'd convince anyone he's a pedophile.
(/s)
This is a Qanon thing my MIL was spouting years ago. Trump was “secretly there to save the children” is not new.
I’m sure he only walked into the dressing rooms to watch the children change so that he could assess their risk levels of being trafficked, right?
These people and their cognitive dissonance.
"I participated in child sex trafficking but told the fbi. Im a hero!"
"I raped all those children to save them!*
"And I made good friends along the way, so I'll be pardoning them"
Nobel Peace Prize, here we come!
FWIW, apparently they are. I hadn't peeked to see if we'd hit the high water mark for what /r/conservative will accept from Trump in a couple months. You'll be happy to know that we have not.
This is apparently his actual vindication according to the true believers.
How many major drug dealers were caught and became "fbi informants" to take down the rest?
Isn't this an admission of guilt?
Exactly what I came here to say. Many if not most informants are people who cut a deal in order to get out of their own charges because the evidence against them is so strong that they wouldn't stand a chance in court.
Now it is possible that the FBI had him on financial crimes and used him to get to Epstein however that's unlikely the case considering the courts have found Trump liable for one sexual assault (E. Jean Carroll) and he's been accused of several more including the rape of a 13 year old: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-afd8-b6fe46f40000
Are you implying that Trump, who is well known for his selflessness generosity and willingness to help others for a good cause, might have been acting out of selfish self interest?!??!
Yeah, informants are criminals working off a debt to law enforcement to lower their sentence or avoid prosecution for their own crimes.
Are they sure this is the angle they want to take?
I'm just so happy they continue to bring up Jeffery Epstein on their own lmao
Keep it in the headlines, please
Don't you become an informant when they catch you and offer you the deal; You get to walk free for the crime you committed, but have to risk your life spying on your fellow criminals for the fuzz?
Trump would 100% take that deal if it was offered to him, without a moments hesitation. He'd also fuck it up within about 30 seconds. Which is why I know this isn't real.
And aren't criminal informants generally used for the same types of crimes they were arrested for?
Even if he was an informant, arent informants people who were involved and just as guilty?
Don't fall into it. It's a classic case of
We've gone from "it didn't happen" to "and if it is, that's not my fault". By saying "even if he was" you are inadvertently enabling the next step.
It happened. It was that bad. It is a big deal. He took part in the fault. He did mean it. They (the victims) didn't deserve it.
Ik...I'm not saying it wasn't bad or didn't happen. And if he was an informant thte fact is he was def found guilty orignally and we know he did bad.
No... no no no. Stop.
The moment you start saying "if he was an informant" you are already enabling the next step. It doesn't matter if you think it's bad "even if he was". He wasn't. Don't even play their game. That's how they win.
The next step will be, "He was an undercover informant". And you will say "even if he was..." and on it goes until it's downplayed to where they want it.
Don't you see, it's already gone from "he wasn't in the files at all" to "he was, but he was an informant". And here we are, taking about "even if he was an informant"...
He wasn't. End of story. Don't play their game.
Exactly. The FBI “turns” people who are likely guilty into informants with the promise of leniency if they help to get dirt on “bigger fish”. They don’t just go up to a random business man in good standing and ask them to befriend the target of a criminal investigation.
So if Trump admits to this then it implies the FBI was investigating him for similar crimes and decided to use him to further incriminate Epstein.
Ah, but this is a thing that crappy police procedurals MAKE YOU THINK happens. You go to someone they "might" recruit, or whoever's next on THE LIST of people to recruit, and flip them BEFORE because OF COURSE these people will happily help with an investigation at the cost of their business, their credibility, maybe even their life.
He was VERY inside the organization! You could say balls deep into all the little details!
MAGA's buy everything Trump and his cronies sell them. They are braindead, fucking idiots.
They are not braindead, they are brainwashed to an alarming degree.
Which was only possible because they were starting out with a room temperature IQ. Anyone who had as much as two synapses to rub together would have seen through his claims to begin with. We are not exactly talking about masterly deceptions here, most of the time even he didn't know where he was going with his ramblings.
If it hasn't been trump, it would have been someone else.
This is gonna cause a resurgence of Qanon. And even his "normal" base will lap it up, because now it's not coming from 4chan, but rather his own speaker.
This administration is the most insane government I've ever seen in a 'developed' nation, at any time in the recorded history of 'developed' nations. There isn't even a close second, and it's somehow worse than Trump's first term.
Looking forward to his third term, I'm sure it'll be great fun.
He tweeted something last week with a Q in it trying to stir them up again. Mostly to try and throw the deep-seeded maga nuts off of the Epstein files. They are 100% not going to let that go - this is the closest they'll ever get in their lives to being correct about a cabal of pedos running things.
I'm pretty sure Q was a "deep state" psyop all along. The whole Jan 6 thing was planned, and I think the perfunctory and relatively toothless response by the government was intentional so that those traitors could later be recruited in their gestapo.
It was definitely a test of their power. Notice the instigators did not face any justice, only the foot soldiers. They also proved the inability to prevent disaster in "the pipe bomb incident" that went unsolved. That did not make anyone in Congress sleep any lighter. It's also likely why we don't see much push back. Trump is the fucking mob, and you'll face the mobs justice if you step out of line.
Deep state? No one in the "Deep State" wanted any of that. The "Deep State" is all the bureaucrats that tell political appointees "no, we can't because of this law from the 70's that says it's illegal...." All the federal employees getting laid off in DC are part of that "Deep State" - you really think someone that processes HR vouchers for AmeriCorps is also running psyops in their spare time?
The original Q stuff was most likely a 4Chan/8Kun prank that just spiraled into pure insanity and had no reason to slow down or stop. It's fairly well accepted that Ron Watkins and his dad started it or were close to those who did, and once it built up momentum, just ran with it. It's not hard to get people, especially conspiracy-prone folks to see patterns in anything once you prime them. It's literally the basis of how Trump got elected, you give them enough info for the pareidolia to fill in the gaps for them. How many people of that same caliber fly flags where they make a well-known fat gun-hater into a ripped guy holding a gun? Same mechanic. These people are also very prone to getting scammed as well due to the same cognitive shortcoming. Someone gives them dogshit info on an obvious scam and if the right virtue signaling is there, their bias-confirming lizard brain will do anything to belong and donate money or buy Trump-branded BS like the "Trump Card" scam.
Hey guys, former MI6 Agent here, I have a confidential source from inside capitol hill confirming that US House Speaker Johnson's words are false.
Source: Idk, ask how Johnson he pulled that out of his ass
Usually it's less that they believe it and now that they will never hear it.
People exist more and more in their own media bubble and the podcast Bros and Fox News will just not mention this.
They absolutely will buy it. Give it some time
Based on a peek at reddit, they already have. 🤦♂️
I'll be honest, I know that the Epstein thing was/is supposed to be the unifying matter that Republicans and Democrats all agree on, but outside of online discourse, I haven't heard any MAGA discussion of the topic in weeks (or longer).
Maybe I'm just in an anomalous social circle, but from my perspective, it seems like there's a vocal minority of MAGA online who make a ruckus about this, when in person, they just don't give a crap.
So, I hate to think it, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what excuse Republican leaders give or what story they weave. I'm guessing they could literally just release mountains of evidence and fully admit that Trump did it, intentionally, and he enjoyed it immensely, and his popularity with MAGA would probably only drop a couple of percentage points (and that's if it didn't actually go up for him "telling it like it is").
I am in a similar anomalous circle if so. Even the articles about how angry maga finally is with Trump about this or that are never supported by anything more than a single-digit number of social media posts. Nearly all of those sorts of articles so far that I've seen have ultimately just been the author interpreting tiny little ripples in the way that most supports what we (and probably they) want to hear.
I think this is done in earnest for the most part, because we all want to believe that a big chunk of maga voters somehow just haven't heard about what he's doing or what he's done. And yet, all the evidence I've seen points to they absolutely are aware and they either fully support it or still think there is some benefit yet to materialize that will make it all worthwhile.
Least plausible explanation ever. It makes the 'dog ate my homework ' seem like a masterclass in defence.
"ICE Raided my house and destroyed the honework" now seems very plausible
So they’re admitting that he’s in the files but that he was an undercover fbi agent, and part of the undercover operation was raping kids… so it’s all good?
How the hell are public officials allowed to just 100% lie and gas light ALL of the time?
Before I retired, if an employee of mine lied to me about their job, and I found out, that person would have been terminated. Immediately.
Because no American politician has ever been held accountable for lies or corruption. They know they can get away with it so why wouldn't they
Can't you guys pretend that politicians are all black and/or poor? You all seem to have no trouble at all stomping all over those guys.....
Isn't this just QAnon with a thin veneer?
During the first Trump term I was on a local social media website that shall remain nameless. The magats were hands-down the most arrogant, ignorant, illiterate, consistently miserable people I've ever dealt with online. Most of them couldn't spell, capitalize or punctuate, or write even a simple sentence expressing a coherent thought. Apparently they really had no coherent thoughts to express.
For months I saw nothing from them but lockstep support of Trump no matter what he did. It became clear that magats aren't smart enough to know what they're supporting and they don't care as long as they get to hurt the people they hate. That includes most everyone else.
I hope every maga jackass gets the get the day they voted for. It's too bad the rest of us will get the day they voted for too.
I'm stealing this!
MAGA voted for all this.
Remember that.
Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Trump was an undercover FBI agent raping underage girls so he wouldn't blow his cover.
I don't have a doubt in my mind Trump's mayonnaise brain might now think this is true. Him and reality have never really got along.
Of course they will buy it. It solves the cognitive dissonance.
Magas are going to fall for this, aren't they.
I mean, we do have logic on our side:
I think your pic still applies though, they'll "not hear" the bullet points.
You people still believe them that they don't believe this stuff.
They keep showing us all exactly how depraved they are and we keep writing these dumb posts.
THEY WANT POWER, THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG.
Insane, rotten, fuckers, Pedo POS.
Release the Trump/Epstein files
They don't have to believe it, they just have to use it. He's their guy on their team, after all, and the other team losing is more important than being right (ethically, morally, or factually).
That's the magic of fascism: it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
Edit: sorry, wrong post to reply to
You really think the guy himself wouldn't be bragging about it 247 if this was the case.
It must have been so hard for Trump to rape hundreds of children with Epstein to gain his trust. That is what you have to do to stop a pedophile though! /S
Oh ok, so they caught him pedophiling, and used him like a little bitch to catch more of his pedophile friends while they pedophile together.
Then release the files so we can all read the epic tale of Trump defender of women and girls.
Surely there is an FBI file including some kind of debrief interview where this is all laid plain. As long as no one has ordered purges of records and documents based on specific keywords regardless of context there is almost guaranteed to be such a recording/transcript, right?
It's open and shut for an actual FBI informant that currently holds the office of president to produce and provide that kind of documentation, and surely it will be called for with at least as much vigor as Obama's birth certificate by the exact same people who were even then only trying to protect the sanctity of the office of the president. Any minute now.
Oh you sweet summer child.
"Trump is really a hero in this. The best hero."
(And yes, they can believe it.)
So best case scenario he's a rat. I mean this is an obvious lie, but it's so fucking stupid and short sighted. Like everyone knows that undercover cops do as much and commit as many crimes as the criminals they're in with, and informants are no different. So he's either a child raping rat, or a child raping liar...
For the KGB
All this does for me is seat more evidently that he is a Russian asset.
FBI as in Fat Bastard Incel -- I might buy it.
And Trump hasn’t said this before because…?
That christofascist queer is going straight to hell
Sadly I have already seen some posts praising him for his "service"
MAGA should realize they've got a real 007 on their hands
0 Intel Collected
0 Kids Saved
7 Children Raped
So that's what they spend two weeks of recessed Congress coming up with. Set's see if it catches on
Yep, stooping to a new level of low.
Ahhhh that’s why his name is all over the files. Because he was a super double secret squirrel agent! It all makes sense!!!
"Trump WITNESSED against Jeffefery Epstein about ALL THE BAD STUFF he had seen."
This reads like a Trump tweet, and has no evidence whatsoever. I'M NOT JOKING!!! 🤣🤣
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+fbi+informant
Start calling him Glowie in chief on twitter or something
yea well it sounds like he made a deal with the FBI to get immunity for his child rape crimes.
Maga: See, all above board and legal. What's the big deal?
I don't think this strategy will work
I say it will work about 33%.
On my bullshit-o-meter I am measuring 2.5 Mega-Trump. The highest value yet to be measured.
He has earned the Knobhead prize instead of a Nobel prize.
Is this the Mike "Moses" Johnson who shares a house in Washington with a gay man who answers the door for him in his underpants?
I mean, it is only fair that we apologize for our doubts and cheer for his nobel prize... After they release ALL the files, which would make that work as an FBI informant public info. If true, I am sure it was out of a sense of public duty, and not a way to shield him from prosecution. He is a patriot, not a low level pedo snitch, right?
Source? Daily Mail? Right.
As if there is any reason to doubt that Trump's team has made this claim, but OK, I'll play, you can pick your own source.
I'm not ever going to apologize for not believing an image of text posted alone. That's how propaganda works.
All good my dude, but the internet is only a few keystrokes away if it's something that actually interests you.
We're in the microblog memes community. An image of text posted alone is the appropriate level of included documentation for this community.
It's only a few keystrokes away for you, too. No reason you couldn't have included a proper source in the body for such a story.
Memes - often shit that's just made up for the lolz.
Goalposts, often moved multiple times in the same conversation.
The problem with the Epstein stuff is that it is, ultimately, all inside baseball. Maybe your podcast of choice has been screaming "Give Us The List!" for years, but it's still just entertainment for an audience.
Materially, none of this matters to the bulk of the population. It isn't that people are buying it. They just have bigger issues in their lives than knowing which celebrities are kiddie diddlers.
It isn't as though even knowing will alter the frequency of child sexual assault in this country. Meanwhile, we've got ICE agents snatching up tens of thousands of migrants and shoving them into black sites. And you know that's becoming an All You Can Rape Buffet.
Johnson can say what he wants. He can sexually assault who he wants. Wouldn't even be the first pedophile Speaker of the House in the news.
The gossip is just gossip. None of it shapes the behaviors of anyone in or near a position of authority.