DOJ plans to label trans Americans as "mentally defective" to take away their guns
Justice Department leadership is prepared to use its rule-making authority to declare transgender people as mentally ill and deprive them of their Second Amendment right to possess firearms, according to two Justice officials who shared internal discussions with CNN.
Deliberations at the highest levels of the DOJ follow the recent mass shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minneapolis, an attack police say was carried out by a 23-year-old former student at the church’s school who may have been a transgender person or a de-transitioned individual. Two children were killed in the attack, and 21 others were injured.
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Labelling the groups they hate as mentally defective is very much a Nazi move.
We can't have mentally ill people breeding, we better start issuing pregnancy licenses that everyone has to apply for.
Weird that only certain groups are getting the licenses.
Forced Idiocracy.
Operation Blazing Sword is a grass-roots organization dedicated to helping everyone, but especially queer people, become responsible firearm owners.
Haven't heard of that. But another option is the SRA (socialist rifle association). Its a nationwide version of the NRA for socialist/leftists. They are not activist but strictly an organization for learning firearm safety and use. Highly recommend from my experience with my local SRA.
Our membership has exploded since the election. And obviously a lot of our members are from the queer community.
I am not into guns but I am into that group name! "Activate interlock! Dynatherms are connected! Infrashells are go! Let's go!"
The right is about to learn the very important lesson that support of gun control does not necessarily imply a lack of gun ownership.
Too bad they're likely to learn the wrong lesson.
The right has never supported gun ownership for groups they consider outside "American identity" just look at Reagan's actions while governor.
White People: "guns are for everyone! That's why there is a second amendment. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."
Black Panthers: "oh ok carries unloaded guns'
White People: "wait actually now there are limits"
Where's the "shall not be infringed" crowd?
Standing right here. I'd also like to know what part of due process this is, exactly.
Any excuse to kill Americans makes this administration giddy.
Trump once said that his closest advisor, Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller, told him that he wanted to reduce the population of the US to 100 million people, who looked like him (God forbid).
That would be a decrease of about 70%. It would be interesting to hear his explanation as to how he intends to accomplish that objective.
Taking their guns is only the first step against transfolk. Once they're declared mentally unwell they'll start locking them up and forcing treatment on them.
As supported by the previous executive order that authorizes institutionalization of homeless and mentally ill people.
I am so disgusted by this wretched administration.
They’re going to expand civil commitment. “Trump derangement syndrome” as a diagnosable illness.
"treatment"
The treatment is at a concentration camp.
So also reduced sentences on all crimes under the insanity defense? Or just the parts that fits your agenda?
It’s the second one 🙃
Best we can do is reduced process.
Republicans are coming for your guns. This is a test run on Heller.
Any clear-thinking individual has always recognized that the party that will be the first to restrict gun ownership will be the MAGAs.
Dems have engaged in or attempted a lot of gun control historically. Notably the assault weapons ban. That was just plain old fashion racism.
This trump law's fascism is in how they want to generate the ban; they want to label being trans (a minority) as a mental illness.
Let's simplify this: United States politicians are either coming for your guns are actively not helping you when other politicians come for your guns. Same shit to me but maybe others prefer the semantics.
And this fixes the economy how? And this releases the Epstein files how? And this helps climate change how? And this stops the war in Ukraine how? And this stops the genocide in Gaza how?
First they came for the gay's guns.........
It is important to set up a system to confiscate guns. Try it on a small group then expand gun confiscation group by group. Eventually a loyalty pledge will be required, then conscription.
As a gun owner, this is my promise for America
If you come for my guns, we will have a gun fight, don't worry I know I'll lose, but I won't be alive when you put dirty hands on my guns.
The problem is, everyone has this fantasy storyboard in their heads of the cops showing up going door-to-door with their MP5s and riot shields in a nice neat line loudly announcing their intentions. That is absolutely not how gun confiscation is going to work.
Instead, once they've declared that trans people or Democrats or whoever else are now blanket banned from owning guns, any time you interact with the police, let's just say during a (probably spurious) traffic stop, your name will come up on their little computer as a "person prohibited" and they'll put you in handcuffs and stuff you in the back of a police car right then. And then go break into your house and toss it looking for guns when you're not there to stop them. There will be no fight. You'll already be under arrest for something else. They'll find (or plant) whatever they want, and charge you with an additional nine hundred crimes that are all rewordings of the same thing, and put you in jail. When they come up to you they're not going to be talking about guns, they're going to start off with some low-grade bullshit you think you can talk yourself out of but use that as a pretext to lock you up for your guns.
There will be no headlines of jack booted thugs going around systematically kicking in innocent people's doors and garnering a bunch of negative press for themselves that people can rally themselves around. There will be individual local little news articles, one at a time, all along the lines of "Arsenal Of Illegal Weapons Found in [town name] Man's Home/Car By Brave Policemen After Conducting Traffic Stop, One Of Which Was a High Capacity Black Semiautomatic AR Glock Assault Child-Shooter," with an article underneath carefully spin-doctored to slander the individual in question as a mentally unstable transgendered pot smoking child grooming terrorist. They'll do this one at a time, forever, even long after they've gotten everyone the think they wanted to get.
The only defense against that is to assume that any time a cop looks in your direction you need to lock and load right then and there and initiate a fight for your life. Even if you win, you'll automatically be the bad guy.
Are you ready for that?
Is anyone ready for that?
all you need is to take 1 down with you when you go. and for them to know that 1 of them isn't going home.
People are worth far more than 1 cop.
not to them
Well obviously in their eyes human life is less than worthless. How do you serve the public and protect the borders without being a hateful coward?
self delusion, an inherent tendency to assign fucked up values to people, years of adjusting to a work culture where it's normalized to fight detainees for sport.
there's a pipeline but the selection process starts by picking people who just desire power over others
Yeah it's a reproductive selection process for hateful cowards.
Lotta people willing to arrest people who are unarmed for a nice paycheck, a lot less are willing to die for that paycheck.
The left needs to be armed like yesterday, and we need to be protesting armed to the teeth. Watch how magically the police and ice let them be.
Will you take up arms against the US government if they try to take away trans peoples guns??
What do you have in mind by take up arms? Super vague call to action.
To their immense credit the NRA is against this. Probably because the gun lobby wants to sell guns to scared trans people.
...did the NRA just do something I agree with? This is indeed the darkest timeline.
I really thought they were going to side with the administration like they did when it was California trying to defang the Black Panthers.
I heard The Professional Left suggest that trans show up to events, fully strapped with as many legal guns as possible and then see how fast they do a repeat of Cali for the Panthers....
I'm shocked they're on the right side of this, but they are funded by the arms industry
They put out a statement saying they don't support taking away guns. That's not doing something.
let’s not forget Trump’s executive order to forcibly imprison mentally ill people…
I saw the headline a day or two ago about how they wanted to remove their guns, and my first thought was they're going to declare them mentally ill.
Sigh
Mentally defective? Voting republicunt is mentally defective!
Nice distraction though: RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES!!!
JEFFERY EPSTEIN
RELEASE THE FILES SO WE CAN GET ON WITH THE PUBLIC EXECUTIONS
Every politician that is not pushing for the release is most likely complicit in this global child sex trafficking ring.
Trans person:
And now we get to the fascists beginning to disarm their enemies phase. After that it won't be long before they label registered Democrats as mentally defective.
They're already trying to label the Democratic party as domestic terrorists.
I was wondering when they’d start actively taking rights away.
Abortion? Due process?
Yeah I thought about those after I posted this.
The horrors coming so fast we can't even hold them in our head @.@
Yeah. My province is stupid as fuck but at least it’s not the USA.
1789, the year after the Constitution was originally ratified.
sigh All of this is a distraction scheme. He's distracting from how poorly the people are doing economically.
We can't let trump control the narrative like that. We have to shift the narrative back to the economy every time something like this comes up.
"Trump promised we'd have well-paying jobs again. Where are they?"
I dunno if you're in the US or not, but here, the whole information pipe is so screwed up.
Rage? You feed the trolls, and feed the algorithms/news.
Be reasonable like that? No one hears you. Boring statements don't sell ads. And Trump has 'hacked' that attention economy pretty good.
...So you aren't wrong, but I'm convinced that's a useless sentiment now. I'm more into the "where are the Epstein files" meme because uncovering pedophile conspiracies are a core MAGA tenant. It's the only thing that will get through and bust glass.
i have had the impression for years now (at least since 2012, because that's when i started observing) that the world in the US is deeply broken on a deeper level than the surface.
superficially, the US is possibly close to a civil war, with trump deploying troops to cities, angry trump loyalists storming the capitol just a bit earlier, and such. but if you look deeper, the whole picture looks a lot darker.
it's not so much that people are as stupid as they pretend to be (only caring about epstein, neglecting their own financial situation, not caring about sustainability & having a future), instead it's that a lot of people have emotional struggles that reach deep and keep them from making reasonable choices.
i think a lot of people are just really really emotionally hurt. if you look at the typical people in rural areas, a lot are emotionally broken, feel abandoned by society, feel as if they're left to rot in their tiny, abandoned villages, that anger channels to the coastline cities, where it's supposedly better, and then you end up with a "owning the libs" situation where basically the rural population is trying to take petty revenge on the people living in the coast cities for living a better, more meaningful life than themselves.
this can't be cured by just changing the communication channels somewhat. it would need a deep and fundamental processing of the soul of people. it can't be done overnight, and at this point, i'm worried that nobody actually tries to care for the people who feel left behind and abandoned at all. basically, the rich move on, undertaking their enterprises, leaving large parts of the country behind, unemployed and without meaning and purpose in life. i'm pretty sure we'll see some civil revolts (which will be forcefully bashed by the police and such), and then we'll see the development of parallel societies where you practically have large ghettos in cities which is essentially like a parallel universe.
i think it's for the better though if some parts of the country secede. it's not possible to give employment to everyone*, and if these people can at least form their own societies, they'll have integrity and self-determination, and that's worth something.
* in the year 2040, AI and automation have replaced a lot of jobs.
-The Grapes of Wrath, John Steinbeck
Not surprising. They're gearing up for genocide.
We MUST allow Mentally Defective Americans to Own guns but ONLY if they're Shooting up Schools and Churches! OTHERWISE we need to TAKE THEIR GUNS AWAY!
The NRA is going to all be over this right? Right?
Narrator: The NRA in fact did not get all over it
Surprisingly, seems like they are. Too soon to be sure of course. https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/05/politics/nra-transgender-gun-control
So... it begins
Really??
You don't think it has already begun?
Hey Human, be cool. Not everyone gets it at the same time. Let's form coalition.
🛎️🛎️🛎️
This guy gets it
That describes every MAGA, as well.
If at least half of the republican supporters are not mentally defective, I don't know who is...
Half is a lowball
the sheer irony. i’m about to spin up a site that tracks metrics of MAGA vs the rest of the country in crime and fatalities
Funny, we've already labeled Republicans this way 😂
There is no Republican Party any more. They are as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in a scholarly, historical context.
This is the MAGA Party, and doesn't follow any of the foundational tenets of the Republican Party - Smaller govt, lower taxes, fiscal/economic responsibility, family values, etc. It is an entirely separate party whose foundational tenets include treason, corruption, racism, misogyny, pedophilia, genocide, intolerance, and more.
Our country is being destroyed by MAGA. The Republican Party is responsible for the rise of MAGA, but we need to make sure MAGA gets full blame for the destruction they have caused, and the full punishment they deserve. MAGAs need to understand that when they are forced from power this time, they won't be forgiven like Biden did. They will feel the wrath of Liberty.
Idk, that's been the Republican party platform as far back as I can remember.
They are one and the same. The mask has just been ripped off.
There is no "trumpism". And "maga" is just....what conservatives and the Republicans have always really been about.
I'm sure the 2A crowd will be "up in arms" because of this...right?....right???
yes
And when the prey has been defanged, then come The Camps.
How are they gonna take away their guns if they are armed? Hahaha
Set up snitch lines for snitching on trans people, get medical doctor loyalists to snitch on trans people, they can find out who is trans pretty easily, then use ICE to sweep them up.
They have a corporation already doing this: setting up a centralized database for monitoring all citizens. It's called Palantir (Stock ticker: PLTR). So, if that database can easily have a boolian value for transgender. Then, all they got to do is operate off that database for finding which transgender persons have a gun, check that database to see if the person is unable to buy one because they're marked as
Jewtransgender, and consult that database when it comes time to round up theJewstransgender people for confinement in internment camps.Not saying this is anything but evil, but they are putting the tools of genocide together now. With this, they'll label the undesirables with a gold star that people won't be able to not wear, they just won't know its there. But, facial recognition technology will be able to take care of any incongruities.
Will they go after their own citizens at the same time as attacking Vzla, Canada, Greenland, Panama (take your pick) - what does Germany in WWII say?
-The Nazis the first time around
You suggesting ICE or other federal law enforcement acting outside of their "legal" purview?!
/s
Don't worry, everyone! The red flag laws will make this legal!
don’t forget trump’s executive order to forcibly imprison mentally ill and homeless people
...but all the conservative pedos get to keep their guns, amirite?
Don’t forget all the conservative wife beaters. They have to keep their guns too.
You mean cops?
Hahahahahaha I bet removing trans peoples guns will be the straw that finally breaks the camels back in the US. LOLOLOL what a bunch of pathetic fash.
You would hope. I mean even the NRA came out against this bullshit! But I do Uber in a smallish town, and the shit I've heard...
I look like the typical masculine "ideal" these idiots have in their head; y'all, well built, blonde hair, blue eyes. So they tend to over share. And I've gotten a couple complaints about "illegal driving" which is fucking laughable to anyone who rides with me, and Uber cause they use telemetrics on the phone out the ass, so they can see how my driving was.
But I don't just let shit go anymore. If you say something stupid I'm going to inform you of the truth and make you feel dumb while I do it. Recently some dude was gushing about alligator Auschwitz, and when I told him they are shutting it down you could see... Nothing, there was absolutely nothing behind this dude's eyes.
He also bragged about how him and his girl "are" Marines then immediately tells me he got kicked out of basic forrrr(drumroll please).... Selling fucking meth! These people vote.
you underestime just how much they hate. I think their hate will overcome anything that fuck does.
people are incredibly stupid, incredibly lazy and america is chock full of authoritarians just craving to be told what to do.
Can't ban guns, won't work.
Hey, I know. Let's ban transgendered people. That will work.
I'm curious at just how many "trans" people they think have guns in the first place. Let alone the bullshit science behind their reasons.
We've armed in the past few years pretty heavily as it's become clear they want to hurt us
https://www.blazingsword.org/
Yep, I'm straight, but own my own range and have had a few trans friends now come and shoot and learn on it.
Arm up my LGBTQ+ people! An armed minority is harder to oppress!
I'm not saying your not armed.. I'm just saying, statistically, it's probably quite a low amount of people altogether. Which hardly would justify any action at all... not that it's justified in the first place.
Yeah sheer numbers last i checked our total population in America is similar to the number of Americans from Boston. And honestly it's anyone's guess which group is more armed.
I ain’t budgin’ I refuse to be relocated and tortured.
Everyone always says why not provide free mental health care to prevent shootings.
Oh shit
Where are the 2fa people howling to keep gun rights? They seem to be fine with this. Maybe their whining was never about guns at all?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/05/politics/nra-transgender-gun-control
Nra is even against it.
It's 2A people btw. 2fa is two factor authentication and has nothing to do with the 2nd.
I thought the official position of the government was that transgender people didn't exist
The MAGA DOJ drafting policies in language reminiscent of the 3ʳᵈ reich is so on brand.
This is probably just another distraction. I don't think the executive brach has the power to declare someone mentally ill for the purposes of existing gun legislation. They would need a new law through congress, and they won't get enough votes for that.
Legislation? That's so old school. The really important stuff, like repealing Constitutional Amendments, is all done by Executive Orders these days.
Gun control for thee, but not for me
What does the Massie family Christmas card have to do with it?
Look, Massie sucks, but I know they're mad at him right now, so it's an odd choice of image given the article is about the DOJ.
Does that look like a photo of a mentally stable group of people?
Not exactly, but I am pretty sure they're so 2nd Amendment pilled they'd defend trans rights to an automatic rifle.
Like, say what you want about Massie, but he's probably one of the few republicans that aren't complete pieces of shit. Considering his libertarian leanings, more than likely he'll come out against this. Hell, apparently even the NRA is against this.
I agree. All Republicans should have their firearms seized.
I'm a big strong muscular guy...crying.. And I says to the president. I says. I tell him. Mr president, I'm a manly guy! But, I only like Asian women who's moms are from Brazil but from Filipino parents and dads must be American but can only come from Tokyo. Crying. Do you know? D'you? Anyone like that? And they must not like anime. I'm a big muscular guy Sir, and I can't handle anime. Also filthy rich. They must be filthy rich, but very clean. Crying. Mr president do you? Surely Epstein. Surely he knew someone like that? Crying, need hug. Plz!
LOL. If not, could I just get a sex change? Again, big guy. And crying. Totally not mentally deviant.