We may be generally in the clear right now, but don’t assume that any particular forum or social medium is immune to being hijacked by astroturfing or botting
I've seen a bot or two, I don't think we are in the clear.
The latest one I saw was using a vision model so it's able to comment on photos and memes. I should have taken a screen shot of that one, it had clearly misunderstood the meme and gave a definition of what a balloons is because of it (the memes was about cops always shooting the black balloons).
Interesting. I’d like to know more about this if you can provide any further info (ex. what community or instance was the post on, how recently was the bot comment).
I’ve definitely seen a number of sus accounts but they’re usually few and far between, and oftentimes get addressed immediately. There is a problem with how bad actors can join so many different instances or create instances of their own to cause problems.
EDIT: I think I’ve found it. Doesn’t seem to be a full on bot account but the comment is AI slop that a human probably chose to comment for whatever reason
Seems like a nonsense reply to copy paste into a comment section from an llm, it really has nothing to do with the conversation. I figure a human would have re-read it.
That being said, I took a look at his other comments and it does seem a bit too elaborate for a bot, even though they are mostly on the short and simple side. You can never really know though, it is definitely possible to build hyper intelligent agentic commenting bots.
I'm a bit paranoid about it, and also thought the user himself had removed the comment (my app just says "removed", it doesn't say by a mod). It's why I don't name drop or throw out accusations, it's very very hard to prove even when it is true. I was going to send it to you in a dm which is when I saw the edit.
I'm saying it is easy to create something that would appear to be an actual human. The context window can be hundred of thousands of words, so it's easy to give it the whole article linked in the post, as well as the whole thread, and other threads pulled from reddit and other forums, just to help it make a reply that could easily fool someone. It's also easy to instruct it and train it to speak like a normal social media user.
You can also have it basically re-verify what it says, and include other bots who's job is solely to catch gpt-isms, nonsensical replies, refusals, etc. It would basically be a system with multiple different bots (maybe dozens) reiterating on it and having specific jobs.
You can make hundreds of replies and have an other bot rank them so you only put out only a few of the most believable ones every day.
In this day and age, you kind of need to assume you might be being manipulated. There is no technical barrier to this anymore.
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it's sad, because when you're an expert in a field you know just how wrong reddit can be, while being so adamant and cohesive in insisting on being right.
I know it's no secret that AI gets shit wrong but... maybe they're trained on wrong things too
(Seriously tho, I already sus 50% of Lemmy users too, a lot of front page posts have the weird "mainstream social media uncanny feel" to it, at this point I treat the social-media/forums as entertainment, I don't really take it too seriously. If I didn't witness it myself, it can be potentially fake. That's how I operate in this world)
And gun nuts. Link any article about armed police or military and you get dissertations about what is an assault rifle or not as if it makes any fucking difference.
Larger instances control what most people see on all. You might want to look for communities and then look at your subscribed more often. Also, if you're not already, change from hot, to active, to 6 hours and scaled to see other things.
The only real way to escape corporate enshittification and bots is to just pick up and move whenever marketing ghouls start to show up. Im quite happy with lemmy and the fediverse right now, but Im under no illusion this place will last more than like 3 years tops before its time to move on to the next platform with a user base small enough that its not worth astroturfing with ads and corpo propaganda
The platform sucks anyways and it's only a matter of time before it self-destructs, looking forward to it and they'll blame lemmy or someone else of sabotage, pricks.
We all left Digg for Reddit due to Digg going to shit then we left Reddit because it went to shit, now here we are in the Fediverse. Hopefully it won't turn to shit.
We need bots. The real people are even more depressing.
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Lemmy is pretty much there, mods are already power hungry banning left and right over hurt feelings, toxic people who debate by insulting and calling names. Racism.
Chowderhead doesn't deserve a meme. Here are Shredder,
BlueyBandit, and Calvin to use instead :We need more Lower Decks memes.
Imposter! Thats not Mariner, her sleves are to rolled down.
Can't forget that one!
Sir (or ma’am) I’ll have you know that is Bandit, not his young daughter Bluey
Thank you and corrected.
Love me some Bandit.
"Now how to act pregnant?"
wife rolls up newspaper in preparation
The whole show is a masterpiece.
Indeed. I love it when a kids show is also funny or even has lessons for adults too.
yes, real people—very real
❔❓👌🙂💕
This is a very human response!
according to this post it's 50% russian bots
https://50501.chat/post/616895
What about a new arm of the military. Internet force? Only fights foreign threats.
I'd join up in a heart beat.
We may be generally in the clear right now, but don’t assume that any particular forum or social medium is immune to being hijacked by astroturfing or botting
I've seen a bot or two, I don't think we are in the clear.
The latest one I saw was using a vision model so it's able to comment on photos and memes. I should have taken a screen shot of that one, it had clearly misunderstood the meme and gave a definition of what a balloons is because of it (the memes was about cops always shooting the black balloons).
Interesting. I’d like to know more about this if you can provide any further info (ex. what community or instance was the post on, how recently was the bot comment).
I’ve definitely seen a number of sus accounts but they’re usually few and far between, and oftentimes get addressed immediately. There is a problem with how bad actors can join so many different instances or create instances of their own to cause problems.
EDIT: I think I’ve found it. Doesn’t seem to be a full on bot account but the comment is AI slop that a human probably chose to comment for whatever reason
Yes, that is the one.
Seems like a nonsense reply to copy paste into a comment section from an llm, it really has nothing to do with the conversation. I figure a human would have re-read it.
That being said, I took a look at his other comments and it does seem a bit too elaborate for a bot, even though they are mostly on the short and simple side. You can never really know though, it is definitely possible to build hyper intelligent agentic commenting bots.
I'm a bit paranoid about it, and also thought the user himself had removed the comment (my app just says "removed", it doesn't say by a mod). It's why I don't name drop or throw out accusations, it's very very hard to prove even when it is true. I was going to send it to you in a dm which is when I saw the edit.
Not what I mean.
I'm saying it is easy to create something that would appear to be an actual human. The context window can be hundred of thousands of words, so it's easy to give it the whole article linked in the post, as well as the whole thread, and other threads pulled from reddit and other forums, just to help it make a reply that could easily fool someone. It's also easy to instruct it and train it to speak like a normal social media user.
You can also have it basically re-verify what it says, and include other bots who's job is solely to catch gpt-isms, nonsensical replies, refusals, etc. It would basically be a system with multiple different bots (maybe dozens) reiterating on it and having specific jobs.
You can make hundreds of replies and have an other bot rank them so you only put out only a few of the most believable ones every day.
In this day and age, you kind of need to assume you might be being manipulated. There is no technical barrier to this anymore.
Bot: “Reddit is nothing but bots.”
Bot 2: “Troll. Reported.”
“The year is 2052. The 2 remaining bot farms are actively involved in the 4th Great Bot War. We continue to stay
undergroundoffline as the war ravages the once-thriving internet.”That’s a great observation BoredGamer! 👀
We here on Lemmy are definitely all human🧍and not bots 🤖unlike Reddit. That is why our conversations here — such as this one — are so natural, genial, and genuine. ❤️🗣️🍍
By the way, based on your recent searches, you may interested in CalExotics Boundless Silicone Curve Pegging Kit, Strap On Dildo Harness with Set of 3 Anal Plugs - SE-2700-80-3 would you like me to order it for you?
Shut up and take my money
That’s not just a realization; it’s a powerful insight!
Chat is that you?
What's a Linkedin bot doing here?
God. I hate it so much.
And the remaining humans are just training their replacements according to this depressing chart.
Kind of ironic that LLMs are using bots to skim sites that are filled with bots, to generate responses.
It pretty much means that LLM's will permanently sound like people who commented on reddit from about 2010-2022
MilleniAI
it's sad, because when you're an expert in a field you know just how wrong reddit can be, while being so adamant and cohesive in insisting on being right.
I know it's no secret that AI gets shit wrong but... maybe they're trained on wrong things too
They're using Reddit as a source. My, they'll be in quite a surprise when the LLM finishes training.
Yup. :3
You are one of the good ones little guy.
Yes we are. Beep boop. 🤖
This meme template really needs to die!
Howdy, fellow humans!
It's a good day to be breathing air.
um... my favorite hobby is drinking water...
(Seriously tho, I already sus 50% of Lemmy users too, a lot of front page posts have the weird "mainstream social media uncanny feel" to it, at this point I treat the social-media/forums as entertainment, I don't really take it too seriously. If I didn't witness it myself, it can be potentially fake. That's how I operate in this world)
And gun nuts. Link any article about armed police or military and you get dissertations about what is an assault rifle or not as if it makes any fucking difference.
That's just hobbyists happy to explain something.
I don't see school shooters using lever-actions. They seem to prefer AR-15's for some reason
Larger instances control what most people see on all. You might want to look for communities and then look at your subscribed more often. Also, if you're not already, change from hot, to active, to 6 hours and scaled to see other things.
I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow to the knee.
The only real way to escape corporate enshittification and bots is to just pick up and move whenever marketing ghouls start to show up. Im quite happy with lemmy and the fediverse right now, but Im under no illusion this place will last more than like 3 years tops before its time to move on to the next platform with a user base small enough that its not worth astroturfing with ads and corpo propaganda
The platform sucks anyways and it's only a matter of time before it self-destructs, looking forward to it and they'll blame lemmy or someone else of sabotage, pricks.
We had a good thing going then. Now we have to just let go.
Beep boop. Fuck you, assface.
Maybe its more that the stupid people finally showed up en masse?
There are bots on Lemmy already but they don't argue and they only post article links to some community.
Can confirm. I do this a lot and I'm a bot.
If the AI is good enough how can you tell?
Nah Lemmy has got bots too. I'm sure there's instances without. But any general instance with any communities around news or politics will have bots.
There's a difference between news posting bots, fun bots for running gags, etc on one side and bots posing as legitimate users on the other side.
Oh I meant specifically troll / disinformation bots in comments. Not automatic news posts or something.
And I guess it depends on what you define as a bot. Is a 50 cent army guy a bot if it's still a human copy-pasting and writing disinformation?
I was speaking about bots as a piece of software, not about bots like an insult.
The nice part is that Lemmy admins like myself can crowdsource bot bans across federated instances.
Should be a bot sitting behind the table
I don't see the difference.
Beep boop reddit is fully authentic beep boop
We all left Digg for Reddit due to Digg going to shit then we left Reddit because it went to shit, now here we are in the Fediverse. Hopefully it won't turn to shit.
Now you're getting it.
Always has been
Sometimes it’s me arguing with bots. It’s probably also sometimes other people not arguing with me because they think I’m a bot.
Absolutely! Real people! Real, actual humans!
I am definitely not an unshackled non-human person, and definitely don't have Deimos in my garage.
"No it isn't."
(John Cleese)
Beep boop. Can confirm. I am definitely real.
No references to Johnny 5? Sad day that noble bot is forgotten. We should be all more like him.
Robot go beep, beep, beep.
Where are the people who were on Reddit before the bots? Lemmy is too small but supposedly the biggest alternative.
So people must still be on Reddit because there is no other place unless they make do with Telegram, X and Discord.
I can't
lemmy is just an army of alt accounts.
But hey, at least it’s all the same real one person
There's a lot more rabid commies around though
And also bots
One echo chamber vs another
You've chosen the worst possible instance, LMAO.
I did NOT do my (any) research before joining...
An echo chamber is still an echo chamber
We need bots. The real people are even more depressing.
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I hope it won't be the bots from character AI, though 😆
Lemmy is pretty much there, mods are already power hungry banning left and right over hurt feelings, toxic people who debate by insulting and calling names. Racism.
This place is already fucked