The FDA is BARE MINIMUM, not quality. If you can't make the bare quality, Im comfortable asserting its not that food item, much less a desirable one.

Written like a true cream-freezer.

Around £0.50/mile I think is what they use here. My bike has already paid for its self in cost savings. I also suspect that value would be higher if you consider off road miles.

I mean, other places have had them. I wonder what they did that they don't anymore....

That'd work!

Hmm. I'm in the US, but I think my favorite style is the Dutch style, which has that streusel topping with brown sugar and cinnamon.

That being said, I don't know whether Dutch apple pie actually originated in the Netherlands.

kagis

Hmm. Well, I don't see anything that clearly indicates that, though it looks like the Dutch did make apple pie without strusel topping, at least at one point:

https://www.historicalcookingclasses.com/oldest-dutch-apple-pie/

The first printed Dutch cookbook appears in 1514 in Brussels . It is called Een notabel boecxken van cokeryen (a notable book of cookery). It is filled with many tasty recipes involving the use of luxurious products, and it also has a great apple pie recipe. The apples are richly seasoned and cooked in a luscious layer of dough. The spices used to season these apples are the most expensive ingredients in the 16th century. Back then, this was a pie that was only eaten by the richest people in town. Nowadays, everyone can enjoy it.

investigates further

https://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-features/article/Regardless-of-true-origin-Dutch-apple-pie-a-6652475.php

These guys think that what we call Dutch apple pie in the US may be actually a development in the US fusing various European dishes:

Many pies will grace the Thanksgiving buffet today, and perhaps one of them is a Dutch apple pie, topped with a buttery, crumble crust laced with chopped walnuts.

The name Dutch, however, is a bit of a modern-day misnomer.

The etymology of these names have historic roots that pervade the ties of colonialism in the New World and old European traditions. The term Dutch, now used specifically to identify people from The Netherlands, was once used interchangeably to describe people from both Germany and The Netherlands.

The Dutch and Germans each had their own version of an apple pie that would include a lattice crust or be more cake-like in consistency.

"Dutch apple pie is not Dutch. Our 'appeltaart' is either more cake-like or made with a buttery crust," says Peter Rose, a food historian and author specializing in Dutch cuisine.

But where did Dutch apple pie originate, and why the walnuts?

"The Netherlands certainly has walnuts and perhaps adding those makes it Dutch. In his book of 1655, Adriaen van der Donck remarks on the quality of the walnuts here. The Dutch are and were very fond of nuts. In New Netherland (the Dutch American colonies), it was customary to offer 'nuts ready cracked' to visitors," says Rose.

Black walnut trees grew with abundance in the Northeast — one of the few sources of nuts — and the American ideal of "make it do," paired with the availability of the nuts, apples, sugar (thanks to triangle trade stops in Albany, where rum was made for British bastions in New York and western Massachusetts) easily led to pie (which was more of a breakfast food at the time.)

Beyond that, dairy farming as an industry didn't begin in America until the 1800s, and butter was used sparingly. (Many apple pie recipes from the time will call for a touch of cream, but not butter.) Making a simple strudel of sugar and walnuts, a technique long employed in Europe, could replace the top crust and save the precious golden butter for other uses.

As New York settlers began to move into Pennsylvania, they took with them the habit of crumb toppings on pie. In her book, "The Lost Art of Pie Making," Barbara Swell lists various Pennsylvania Dutch pies with crumb toppings (like shoefly, vanilla custard and sour cherry), stating that most of the original pies in the area are the unique cake-pie combination Germans were known for.

Many of the settlers in that area were also French Huguenots, who brought with them a tendency toward flakier, crispy doughs and crusts that we associate with pie today. The claim can be made that modern Dutch apple pie actually has French-colonist-in-Pennsylvania origins.

Hmm. So maybe Dutch apple pie derives from a dish that started in England, has a crust from France, a cake crumb topping from Germany...but that the fusion probably happened in the US, maybe in part due to limited availability of butter in the early US. So at least my favorite form of apple pie probably was developed in the US, though it was a fusion of various European dishes.

There are fancy restaurants in London specialising in almost anything.

Adding to that, it's not even icecream but a industrial replacement of (likely) dubious quality.

So one could get more in better quality cheaper if consumed regularly.

Oh, I thought they were taking about the ice cream itself as if it had some ungodly ingredients and sprinkles of human rights violations. Now I feel silly.

Thank you!

I was thinking with the petrol expense factored in wouldn't it work out cheaper just to buy 2?

I guess that they're okay, but I didn't use them because I was unhappy with Google's index, but rather because Google didn't offer a no-log, no-profile service. I didn't want to be in a constant fight with service providers who are trying to make their money via whatever alternate route they can (selling one's data, profiling, showing ads, taking payment from people to get higher result ranking, whatever). Just wanted to pay them up front and not deal with trying to figure out and try to mitigate the latest way in which I was the product.

If Google would offer YouTube service that provided a no-log, no-profile option, I'd probably consider that too. That is, I don't have a problem with Google-the-company so much as I do the fact that they've decided that providing a privacy-oriented service isn't presently worth it to them. Kagi does have a video search that indexes a number of video streaming services (including YouTube, PeerTube here on the Fediverse, and a number of others), but you're still still needing to stream the video from the provider.

The only premium Kagi feature that I make much use of is their Threadiverse search ("Fediverse Forum" search lens), as there isn't really a great way to replicate that browser-side, and other search engines haven't bothered to implement it last I looked. They keep adding stuff, but I mostly haven't bothered to try the new stuff out.

looks

It looks like at some point, they added a Usenet archives search, which I actually commented here at some point saying they should implement. So maybe I'll make use of that. Right now the main alternatives there are Google Groups, which I don't think Google has been doing much work on in many years and has a kinda-broken index that mingles Usenet results with other scraped forum results, and a small search engine that some indie person set up that doesn't have much by way of filtering functionality.

As to result quality, Kagi has some trial option where someone can try out a limited number of searches without paying anything, so you can try it if you want to see whether their results are what you want.

paying for a browser

I don't use their browser, just their website. They have a plugin for Firefox that I use that makes it slightly more convenient to use them as a search option.

The problem isn't that it's nothing special, The problem is that the quality has been dropping for years in a lot of locations. It's that dreaded food service downward spiral. People initially go to you because you have something special going on. Eventually for one reason or another you need to make more money, so you need to raise prices or drop servings, quality. Raising places and or dropping quality brings you less customers so you have to continue raising prices, dropping quality or both.

Dairy Queen is on the decline and will disappear in upcoming years. They're cheap because they can't make any money not being cheap. Twist is, You're not making enough money being cheap either.

If you wanted one, and someone broke down the logistical costs out for you, what percent of the cost going to profits would be acceptable to you, assuming all the other "line items" on that breakdown were justified (power, wages, raw materials, building maintenance, transportation, etc)?

Do you make all your own food, clothes and shelter yourself with foraged materials from the land you live on?

I'd love an idea world too, but the one we live in requires compromise, like sometimes trading your labor for things your labor can't easily produce. Like drive through ready fluffy air-laden ice cream.

You can do it yourself, but you'll have to raise a cow, travel Madagascar or Mexico for wild vanilla beans, extract sugar from somewhere (sugar cane might be easy to get for you), and I think there's gelatin in there too, good luck with that. You can probably carve a bowl and spoon fairly easily, as well as appropriate the salt, but the ice might be a problem depending on where you live.

Taking a month to ferment and distill something to get some alcohol to make vanilla extract would amp up the flavor, but that might be more trouble than it's worth (it is fun though).

your story demonstrates that, under our care, reproduction is safer.

It sounds like Dairy Queen technically sells what was sold as "ice milk", since it has a lower butterfat content than "ice cream", until the federal government removed that classification in 1995:

https://www.mashed.com/1408082/what-happened-ice-milk/

The Reason Ice Milk Isn't A Thing Anymore

Many current popular frozen desserts were once categorized as ice milk and more in fast food restaurants than most people realize. According to Dairy Queen, its soft serve cannot be labeled ice cream because it only contains 5% butterfat and was called ice milk until the FDA eliminated the category. "DQ® soft serve fits into the 'reduced-fat' ice cream category and our shake mix qualifies as 'low-fat' ice cream," it states.

Dairy Queen is far from the only fast-food chain that doesn't actually carry ice cream — at least not the legal definition. The next time you order a Chick-fil-A's Icedream or McDonald's ice cream, you're eating the modern version of ice milk.

It sounds like ice milk is more prone to ice crystal formation than ice cream.

I don't know if it's possible to do a Blizzard by hand crank. Like, even if you had the same mix, it might require more-vigorous machine mixing to keep the mixture smooth.

how far you’re willing to travel on your raid to get the best milk

I'll travel to the private room to get the breast milk, that's for sure.

I mean this as softly as possible:

It's not your job to shout at people online and be negative about things in relation to your personal past traumas.

You might be intending it as help, but you're just coming across like a raging asshole.

This sort of behavior is a sign that you have a lot of shit to work through still. I'd expect that this sort of aggressive admonishing didn't work on you, and is part of that shit you have to work through. Don't perpetuate it.

From: Someone raised by a narcisist anxiety riddled wino with emotional regulation issues, and an absentee emotionally unavailable depressive man with ADHD.

Not trying any sort of one upmanship, just highlighting that plenty of people have personal traumas. Try to not make it the world's problem to deal with.

If you really must waste resources on your feet, I recommend cutting up an old, used tire.

https://www.instructables.com/Tire-Sandals/

First, forget about using steel belted tires.  Just don’t try it.  They are HARD to cut no matter how you do it and it is dangerous with tiny bits of steel flying around your face and eyes.  Not to mention that eventually you will get a sliver of steel in your finger or foot.  If you have ever gotten steel in your finger, you know how aggravating that is.

There are plenty of nylon belted tires you can use.  The most common source is the little donut spare tires in newer cars.  These are the ones marked ‘Temporary Use Only and Don’t drive over 45 miles per hour.’  The reason being, they are not steel belted.  You can get these at the junkyard or just steal one out of your neighbor’s car when they are unloading groceries.

That’s a fine suggestion in a cooking forum, and completely asinine to a general audience.