Federal agent during violent DC arrest: “Liberals already ruined” this country
During the agents’ violent attack on a delivery worker Saturday morning in DC, bystanders repeatedly demanded the agents share their badge numbers. One of them—his face fully obscured by a black balaklava—eventually shot back, “Do I have to answer to you?”
“You guys are ruining this country. You know that, right?” one bystander said to the agents at one point during the incident. An agent, ironically clad in a rainbow face mask, replied “Liberals already ruined it.”
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Last week on stage at the Netroots conference in New Orleans, I spoke with Congresswoman Delia Ramirez (D-IL) about ICE: specifically that she believes it should be abolished. It’s a stance that’s considered far left, but after witnessing ICE and other federal agents in DC this week, abolishing ICE should be the baseline Democratic position.
“ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”
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ICE is becoming a paramilitary organization, Trump's personal army. It isn't really fulfilling its supposed role for which it was created in the first place.
ICE has a bigger budget than the entire Russian military.
Send ICE to Ukraine; we can get two birds stoned at once.
I think most of them would just fight for Putin.
That's the idea, let them enter the meat grindet
Sadly that war is a meat grinder for both sides. Just the ruling class of Russia and the ruling class of the West throwing working class bodies at their useless wars.
Edit: Russia is the aggressor invading a sovereign nation illegally. I'm not talking about right and wrong of nation states. But the wests policy of "fighting to the last Ukrainian" is also disgusting. 70% of Ukrainians want an end to the hostility now. Their blood is being used by the west to fight a war they cannot win.
Omg! I say we can get 2 birds stoned at once 😂😂 I didnt think anyone else did. Day made.
Right!? It was supposed to be a paramilitary organization that harassed, assaulted, disappeared, and murdered people crossing the border. SMH truly lost their way...
Liberals surprised Pikachu face when the agency created during the bush administration is fascist.
At least he was funny.
and then they made it such that "the border" was any place within 100 miles of any airport. So the entire United state pretty much. They dont guard a border.
Just as the founding father's intended.
It absolutely is fulfilling the role it was created for. It's just not fulfilling the role that it was stated to be created for.
what does that agent’s face look like?
338 Lapua.
And then you Thoughts and Prayers their asses.
Don't even need to do that, their websites with recruitment information has such poor security that leaks happen all the time. Perhaps unsurprisingly, 2/3 of the Oath Keepers are former military and/or law enforcement officers. The leak obtained by DDOSecrets included membership ID, membership type, name, physical and email address, and join date.
Inside The Pro-Trump Militant Group The Oath Keepers - The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/right-wing-militias-civil-war/616473/
The database leak included such granular detail that economists have been able to study their firm-like behaviours, including running discount codes for memberships and promises of pre-order welcome packages that are never fulfilled.
Selling Violent Extremism - https://www.ucigcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/2024_wp10_klinenberg_v2-FINAL.pdf
It’s time to flood the internet with trash, not the current set, but millions of fake people across the social sphere, with low hanging information, a giant honey pot.
This country is going to need a new level of cult deprogramming to get anywhere. I won't see it in my lifetime.
Maybe this time we hang all of the confederates and not let any live so this shit doesnt happen again?
Agreed. As seen with my nation and Germany, the Confederates and Nazis went on to raise Klanners and Stormfronters. ICE should be trialed and executed as a class, else they will escape the justice that they deserve. It isn't kind, but necessary.
They chose to embrace evil, and should die because of the sins they have earned.
Apparently, the Nuremberg trials executed less than 210 Nazis. Considering how many Jews and other peoples have been slaughtered, that is a bullshit result. Trial by individual isn't sufficient for institutionalized war crimes.
Absolutely. There is a movie about a housekeeper during the holocaust who hid Jews in the basement of the commander's house she worked in. When he eventually found out, she bargained with him, said she would be his mistress if he would say nothing and let them live.
After the war, when the dust settled, the commander was turned away by his wife and children for sheltering the Jews, and it was the Jews themselves he had allowed to live who took him in.
There were many people living everyday lives that had drank the coolaid and saw the extermination of the Jews as absolutely necessary and considered anyone who disagreed a traitor. Those people went on to raise children and teach them that sick way of thinking.
Honestly, it sucks that execution of ICE as a class has to be considered: it isn't unlike the cruelty they inflict on people who didn't deserve to be abused nor killed.
That is where the distinction lies: deservedness.
Advocating for almost the same thing is icky. I cannot be said to be innocent, for supporting this method to end the madness. 😞
The difference comes down to who makes up the class. What criteria is used. In this case it is personal choices that landed them on it, so I really don't see anything morally wrong here.
If they can commit heinous acts for the Greater Evil why can't we do a fraction of it for the Greater Good?
Because youre becoming the thing you despise.
What's that movie called?
Irena's Vow
I find it disturbing that the 11 million other people killed in the camps are so seldom mentioned. A reasonable person who watched US media and wasnt interested in history might reasonably assume only 6 million jews died. Not 17 million human beings total. Anyone know the breakdown of the other 11 million without looking it up? No one knows.
The homeless were some of the first in the camps, as well as the disabled. Then the gays, other minorities, and the Jews.
Poles and russians made up another massive massive chunk of deaths, but seldom get mentioned. about 15000 gays were put in camps and had a 60% death rate, so about 9000 died. ~500k romani. ~250k disabled. about 5.1 million poles and russians died in the camps.
13.7 million russian civilians were killed either in camps or during occupation and forced labor. But looking at the wikipedia, its slanted pretty heavily toward recognizing jewish deaths and minimizing the other demographics. Always has been that way, which I think is pretty wrong and awful. Its been made into some wierd marketing instead of noting that every human death was equally tragic.
17 million killed in the camps, but if you ask around, many people will think its mostly or only jews, and totalled 6 million. Seems like some holocaust denial of the other 11 million murdered humans. Also when I've brought this up before and referred to other deaths as part of the holocaust, I've been told the holocaust refers to jewish people only, not the other dead.
Deport them to an island not that high above sea level.
Abolishing paramilitaries in all forms should be a baseline Democratic position. It ain't the 1770s anymore.
I really don't understand how cons think liberals "ruined" anything. This country could be very great if the cons would stop trying to make everyone's lives miserable by constantly poking their nose where it doesn't belong.
"Things would be better if it weren't for [group], they're the problem, not the rich." It's a lie as old as civilization and conservatives always fall for it.
The problem always has been and always will be the lazy rich that don't want to work.
They are called the "idle rich" and the parasitic class for a reason.
Increasingly, both here on Lemmy as well as elsewhere, I seem to be seeing an awful lot of what I'd label as inter-generational bullshit that seems designed to distract from the very same thing (the centimillionaire/billionaire class).
For the most part, Gen X is ignored in a lot of this, but I see a lot of people acting as if their generation (Gen Y/Z for the most part) has a special class of problems no one else had, and the boomers are the worst generation in history or something. With almost zero context or sense of history and a whole lot of erasure of people's experiences, LOL. It's actually kind of embarrassing to see it when I see there are liberals/leftists doing this, too. Talking about a "gerontocracy" in the political class. Falling for the "term limits" bullshit, even.
Those of us that have been around a bit and are trying to pay attention remember seeing boomers saying the same thing when they were younger, as well as Gen Xers, and it's even with all the 'net at our fingertips now, I see both my generation and younger generations saying the same dumb shit.
Hey USA. How's that 2nd Amendment working for you?
I'm still waiting for the trial, where I've agents were gunned down for self defense.
and there will be a trial regarding the right to defend yourself from masked unidentified gangs kidnapping people.
if the decision goes against fascist ideals, then the Supreme court will intervene. and the 2A nuts will suck fash cock and celebrate that it's bad to raise against a tryranic government.
"🎶Land of the free, home of the brave🎵"
Feeling brave and free enough to stop a rapist, racist, paedo nazi from overtaking your country yet?
Or are you going to carry on waiting for someone else to do something?
Thats a fair point.
If I were in America I wouldn't be taking up arms.
I think i would be joining protests at work opportunity, to the point where it would have an impact on my employment and home life.
I acknowledge that loads of you are already doing that. Commenters like yourself probably are, but the vast majority of Americans are not.
Regardless, I sometimes make comments similar to the one you're replying to. I think some of it comes from decades of being told that America somehow has the best kind of freedom and personal liberty. Again, I acknowledge its the right usually making those claims.
I'm glad you asked. We're seriously thinking about arming the children. Only semi auto for the kids though and teachers get full auto. Cops will just carry grenade launchers and rockets now, for their safety. That should finally take care of the school shooting problem. We tried arming the cops and putting them in schools, but that just created a soiled underpants problem and didnt save any kids at all.
Who needs guns when you have memes and twitter, I mean x a platform owned by one of the enemies that people still use. /S
Juvenile. Pissed off that someone might hold them accountable. Not much these people hate more than oversight and someone getting in the way of their violence.
Meal Team Six is pretty badass with their masks.
ICE is a terrorist organization, but if they aren't going to abolish it then we need to abolish ICE members. One by one by one.
A mid-size nuclear powerplant is required to drive the searchlight that'd enable this level of projection.
How dare liberals encourage education and renewable energy! And infrastructure and foreign trade! And civil liberties and reasonable prices!
Come on now, lets not pretend the dems have a pure track record. Its just not that simple.
It's agents also need to be arrested, and put on a trial.
These guys are total pussies. Either shoot them or unmask them. They are already on camera so swarm them and pull down a few masks. Once you ID a few of them publicly, the rest will drop like flies.
Could turn facial recognition back on them...
They’re doing that in LA
https://fucklapd.com/
And lose your jobs, your homes, and your freedom in the process as you get prosecuted for assaulting federal agents where the authorities have an incentive to make an example out of you to deter future incidents.
I'm not expecting the world to change from holding hands and singing hymns, but insulting people (who already started confronting them instead of just pretending not to see) for not sacrificing more than I'd have to seems rather narrow-minded to me.
You’re going to lose all those things anyway.
If this continues unopposed, yes, but asking individuals in specific situations to sacrifice their own lives without an organized community does not sound reasonable to me.
Considering the mass surveillance well underway, the window to organize effectively has already closed. Doing so puts you in as much danger unmasking an agent and in this scenario they will just slap the terrorism label on it and that’s the end of the conversation.
It’s preferable to mass organize but it’s too late now. Keep fighting. We are going to lose but we are going to make this as difficult and expensive as possible anyway. They don’t get to be comfortable.
We’re not gonna lose, these fucks always fall apart sooner or later. Authoritarianism always falls.
Yes, it does, but only the survivors benefit from its collapse. What makes you so confident that you will survive when many others will not?
My survival isn’t guaranteed, but neither is it guaranteed by doing nothing.
Then do it in a big enough group that they wont dare prosecute you and show how many people opposed them, or try to isolate you and show how weak they are.
Making large groups of people that all agree with you spontaneously appear at a location is typically not super easy.
True! But everyone hates ice.
Unfortunately, a large percentage of the voting population seems to support them, which is part of how we got here in the first place. The best argument for a free and open democracy is what happens with any of the alternatives, but people have a tendency to forget, and opportunists are great at using difficult times to garner support.
Go the fuck outside.
Everyone hates ice. The people who don't are afraid of outside.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/23/politics/ice-unpopularity-trump-analysis
No one wants to shoot anyone. We're not murderers. So here we are, needing to think of some other way, and no one has ideas.
Healthy people don’t WANT to murder people. But we are being backed into a corner. Are you willing to die for decorum or fight?
He must have left his fedora at home.
What's the symbolism of a fedora?
Incel culture. Typically goes with the scruff from attempted beard growth on double chin.
They're a pretty outdated fashion statement.
Every republican since Bush 2?
Hi finitebanjo, I see you dodged your last ban by choosing the same name on a new instance and rejoining. Bold of you to pick the same handle.
4 entire pages of modlog actions on you, wow. https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=9867145
Well welcome back. On to page 5 of the modlog I guess.
theres the finitebanjo we all know.
Ah yes, the proud Patriots protecting you from... your Doordash delivery. Such bravery!
Bigotry and lack of decency ruined the country but it was already ruined it was built on blood repe and kidnapping and forced labor
Bunch of fat ass pussies.
This makes my blood boil. While I appreciate the resistance the filmers showed, their response could have been better.
First and foremost, they should have dialed 9-1-1. “There is a group of masked and armed men assaulting and kindnapping a man off the street! They are trying to pull him into a black sedan with tinted windows! Send police now!”
After that, let them know in no uncertain terms that fascist pieces of shit are not welcome here. Call them out on their un-American actions
ice pricks, ice holes
Well that's one thing we agree on
crybabies
What did they arrest him for?
I'm guessing existing while brown.
Is the person in the rainbow mask a leftist? Has this turned into something like the Iranian revolution where the right wing was joined by some leftists?
Dude is right but for the wrong reasons. LIberalism serves and reinforces hegemony. Liberalism pushes the overton window so far to the right that fascism seems moderate.
Liberalism <---> Fascism.
I get that liberals had their part to play, but can we stop putting the onus of fascism on liberals and blame the fucking fascists for fascism for a change?
But muh division
I always thought it was fight the right, but it turns out we’re more interested in dog piling the ineffectual centrists and splitting hairs amongst one another. No wonder we never make any headway.
Even if your definition was taken that's not what he meant
What? BS! Is that why the Nazis arrested the German liberals and sent them to the concentration camps?
It wasnt always this way. Liberalism is way off the rails and the DNC has zero interest in fixing it. And the republicans are just openly violent fascists. The Dems will do the barest possible minimum of serving their voters to keep some small chance of winning an election, and no more. They dont work for us, but they do want our votes. They work for AIPAC and industry.
Maybe I'm in the minority (heh) but I think that ICE shouldn still be a thing but should not be a federal agency. Maybe a sub division of a state trooper or county sheriff department.
Right... Everyone knows that local police and sheriffs are shining examples of accountability and restraint...
You're right. What might be another option rather than shutting it down outright? Or if you do strongly feel that way, what should be done about illegal immigration? How can we either speed up the approval process or allow workers to work and taxes get paid?
The last administration came up with a great solution that would have actually worked (no, I will not summarize it in a lemmy comment, it was nuanced and well thought out) but the Republicans blocked it because they don’t want working, humane solutions. They just want slaves.
Immigration is the most limited it's been in US history, accounting to somewhere around 2,000 legal immigrants annually. We could start by raising that cap. If your parents or grandparents immigrated to the US before roughly 50 years ago, they were "illegal" immigrants. There was no such distinction until fairly recently. Anybody who immigrated through Ellis Island would be considered illegal today.
ICE is completely unnecessary. It's only been around for about two decades - I'm roughly twice as old as that branch of the government. The same with the NSA. Both are largely security theatre started post-9/11 that are ineffectual at the jobs that they supposedly were created to do.
Immigration and customs are federal issues, not state issues, no matter how you slice it.
The problem isn't that there exists an organization to enforce, but the entirety of its approach ("find people to kick out / take to concentration camps"). Within the framework we have today, something like a non-citizen being convicted of a crime (handled by local/state) being handed off to ice to deport to the appropriate country of their residence? Sure.
But also borders are pretty stupid if a lot of the other stupid stuff around it goes away too.
Thanks for the thoughts and information in your post. Those are some valid points.
They're already under the Department of Homeland Security I'd imagine. I guess I don't really have a better answer. I feel like the department needs to exist but not to this extent. Kind of like how the FBI doesn't do patrol work, then maybe ICE should handle it only after it's been an identified issue or an established case.
Thanks again for making it a conversation. I don't know everything and I'm not afraid to say it.
What does ice do that other, less militarized, agencies can't already do?
Nothing.
Before DHS is was handled by the treasury, labor, and justice Dept's (moved around in various ways over the past ~130ish years), the most significant change being immigration under the DOJ in 1940 (for... Somewhat obvious security reasons for the time).
DHS just absorbed all the different groups under one shitty lead. The excuse at the time being terrorism.
There is zero reason customs shouldn't be under the treasury, immigration under labor, and enforcement (as in managing the deportation of those convicted of violent acts, or pursuing smugglers identified by customs, so on) under justice.
The reformation under DHS was specifically designed to militarize.
Aggression aside I feel like ICE should be more on the legal side of things than the force side of things
Is he wrong though?
::: spoiler nuance Talking about the broad liberal who values hierarchy and private property. That's exactly who ruined this country. Not that I agree with how this guy is going about trying to fix it. But whether you're talking about putting us in our techno capitalist subscription based dystopia, or the land that was burned and decimated to lay its foundation, liberals deserve all the credit. :::
That's true, but in this man's mouth, "liberals" almost certainly means anyone to the left of Hitler, and he doesn't deserve the charitable reading you're giving him. We have to interpret the statement appropriately to who is saying it.
Definitely should've added that to my nuance. He and I are definitely not using the same definition of liberal.
Nah, liberals don't deserve all the credit. Also I'd wager this pig uses liberals to mean "left"
He is wrong to use it as an excuse to be a fascist thug
True, no good reason for that
I was gonna say 'you are a "Liberal," jackass!'
Not wrong, but for the wrong reasons.