Same laziness that keeps America from switching to metric. Learning something new is so scary. I had to recently learn to use an ergonomic keyboard because my aging ass is getting carpel tunnel and it took a mere 3 days to learn. That's it. Now my quality of life will increase and I'm feeling better. People are afraid to work at something new. It's human nature but we are smart enough to realize that and make changes. But lazy. So no.
Funny enough, that's actually not true. July and August were originally named Quintilis and Sextilis (5th month and 6th month respectively) and were both renamed by the Senate well after Julius and Augustus died to honor them.
January and February were (re-added) later by Pompilius to sync the Roman calendar with a lunar year (364 days).
Unless you meant Pompilius, but he added those months for totally legitimate reasons.
technically there's no 12am or 12pm. it's just 12 noon and 12 midnight. but for some situations it's easier to have 2 labels than 4, especially when two of them are reserved to 1 min a day. so they just am and pm for convenience. so the logic you explain is used.
The english way of telling time is stupid. In german we numerate from 0 to 24 for the whole day. 0 and 24 both mean midnight, but other then that its always clear what time you mean.
In practice you can still say 4 to 4pm and everybody will understand you. But if you dont have context or want to be clear what you mean the other system is way better.
That feels correct, doesn’t it? There are always going to be special cases in all our human systems. Why not treat them as such? It’s so much easier to say 12 noon and 12 midnight (or even skip the 12 if you wanna).
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09:00, 10:00, 11:00, 12:00, 13:00, etc
I wish everyone just used 24 hour format. Wtf is even this 12 hour crap. Why fuck up a system ?
Same laziness that keeps America from switching to metric. Learning something new is so scary. I had to recently learn to use an ergonomic keyboard because my aging ass is getting carpel tunnel and it took a mere 3 days to learn. That's it. Now my quality of life will increase and I'm feeling better. People are afraid to work at something new. It's human nature but we are smart enough to realize that and make changes. But lazy. So no.
Nah, we should count up the hours since January 1, 1970 at midnight. What is this 24-hour crap??
Or better: nanoseconds
May I promote my clock with 6 hour format? It reduces the need of one digit compared to 12hr clocks. It's great.
They come from Latin.
Ante meridies - before mid day
Post meridies - after mid day
If you think this is stupid, just wait until you look into how Rome did days of the month
The months themselves were fine until some emperor toddled along and fucked with them. Now Tenmonth is the 12th month. Ugh!
Funny enough, that's actually not true. July and August were originally named Quintilis and Sextilis (5th month and 6th month respectively) and were both renamed by the Senate well after Julius and Augustus died to honor them.
January and February were (re-added) later by Pompilius to sync the Roman calendar with a lunar year (364 days).
Unless you meant Pompilius, but he added those months for totally legitimate reasons.
12 noon is mid day, so how can it be after itself?
Everything after 12:00:00.000000...0 is technically after noon. However, there were (are?) different convention on whether noon is am or pm.
Who’s to say mid day is exactly 12:00:00.0…?
12could be the mid day hour.With daylight savings 1PM is actually midday (or 11am? Idfk)
how do you say “daylight savings” in the original latin
hora legítima (in Italian: ora legale)
https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/institutions_connected/latinitas/documents/rc_latinitas_20040601_lexicon_it.html
how about ad meridies for midday...? and ad noctis for midnight I guess
12:15 in the afternoon is uncontroversially 12:15 PM. I don't think anyone could disagree with that. So are 12:10 PM, and 12:01 PM.
By extension, noon can only be 12PM, not AM, because the the moment we go from 11:59 to 12:00 is the very instant the afternoon starts.
(I use 24h clock myself but that's another argument)
technically there's no 12am or 12pm. it's just 12 noon and 12 midnight. but for some situations it's easier to have 2 labels than 4, especially when two of them are reserved to 1 min a day. so they just am and pm for convenience. so the logic you explain is used.
The english way of telling time is stupid. In german we numerate from 0 to 24 for the whole day. 0 and 24 both mean midnight, but other then that its always clear what time you mean. In practice you can still say 4 to 4pm and everybody will understand you. But if you dont have context or want to be clear what you mean the other system is way better.
We have that in England too.
Yes that’s 100% simpler 80% of the time.
Than*
They deserved that.
Fair
24 hour time should be standard
0pm is the only way
i would actually prefer that xD
12 AM = At Midnight
12 PM = Past Midnight
Very logical. So 11am is 11 at midnight.
No, it's just for 12.
So not very logical after all
Mnemonics usually aren't. Absurdity helps make them memorable.
Thanks, but like jatone, it's still super annoying. And there is no way to be sure that the person reading will get it
This is why I will always maintain that 12 AM is noon, even if barely anyone agrees with me. It's not like this is a settled matter anyway.
The Canadian way is intriguing. They don't fuck around, no am no pm, they just call it noon or midnight.
That feels correct, doesn’t it? There are always going to be special cases in all our human systems. Why not treat them as such? It’s so much easier to say 12 noon and 12 midnight (or even skip the 12 if you wanna).
The correct way would be "12 noon"
The correct way would be 12, followed by 13, 14 and so on.
It should be 0am and 0pm, for midnight and noon, respectively.
Zero before noon and zero after noon is both noon idk how you get midnight from this
0:30AM is thirty minutes after midnight, not thirty minutes after noon.
0:30PM is thirty minutes after noon.
0AM is midnight. 0PM is noon.
"12 AM" and "12PM" is nonsense and should never be used. It's either midnight or noon.
Yes, it is daft. After 11pm should be 12pm and then 1am.
Congrats, guys. This is easily the stupidest conversation I've ever witnessed on Lemmy 👌
Then you're not on Lemmy enough this is downright lucid
..., 9 am, 10 am, 11 am, noon, 1 pm, 2pm, ...
..., 9:30 am, 10:30 am, 11:30 am, noon:30, 1:30 pm, 2:30 pm, ...
...between quarter to noon and half past noon...
I hate when someone says "quater past" or "half past" etc, just tell me the time!! I don't have the brain power for riddles.
You give me a great idea for more efficient communication of time. If pm is post meridiem, instead of half past noon, we could just say half pm!
You're gonna make me cry ;(