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piefed.social

I'm so glad I get to watch America's downfall from safely on the other side of the Pacific, I can't imagine living through what amounts to the modern day Fall of Rome...

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sh.itjust.works

You are living through it. If think it’s staying on their shores and you’re “safely” watching from anywhere rn, you’re deluded.

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Its already left our shores with shit like chat control and visa & MasterCard delisting a bunch of LGBTQ+ media.

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So glad I get to watch Hitler’s rise to power from safely across the English Channel…

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People that went to private schools in the US are going to be directing the most well funded military of these absolute dumbfucks. This isn't a US issue, this is a world issue.

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One concerning thing about that is the American pedo in chief’s ties to Putin. The entire world is a tinderbox right now

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I know this is meant to be funny, but we can still do things to prevent this decline

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lemmy.world

For anyone else like me that needed to google who this group was

PragerU - Wikipedia

“PragerU's videos contain misleading or factually incorrect information promoting creationism, climate change denial, slavery and racism in the United States, immigration, and the history of fascism. PragerU has also been accused of promoting fascism, racism, sexism and anti-LGBT politics.”

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LOGIC💣reply
lemmy.world

I watched one PragerU YouTube video, just to see what all of the fuss was about. I have no idea if this is typical of most of their videos, but the one I watched was like this:

It features a group of teenagers, and one video covered one topic. The topic they covered was a controversial one where there is no clear right or wrong answer, but conservatives typically lean one way, while normal people lean the other way. I don't think it was about gun control, but I'll make it about gun control as an example.

Group of kids talking: "Did you hear about the school shooting?" "Yeah. My parents think the government should have stricter gun control." "Oh, my parents think the problem is that there's not enough security at the schools. But could guns themselves really be the problem?"

Scene changes to girl, talking authoritatively directly to camera: "No. Guns are not the problem. No school with metal detectors and armed guards has ever had a school shooting."

(I just made up whatever sounded like something that they'd say. I assume the fact I made up is wrong.)

And then, it's just like that, over and over. Kids bring up complicated issues, and some other kid just tells them the "right" answer, every time, giving the flimsiest explanation as if it's the gospel truth.

I would characterize showing these videos to actual children as a form of child abuse. Poisoning their minds and inhibiting children's ability to think for themselves.

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ApeNo1reply
lemmy.world

Ok. You got me to to have a look at some of their videos. Holy shit.

Gems like ‘“According to experts” is a red flag | fireside chat’ presented by Dennis Prager himself is some of the dumbest shit I have watched in a while.

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Furbagreply
lemmy.world

That is PragerU's typical approach to spreading their message - present something that is subject to interpretation as an immutable fact and then build an argument from there.

I think the idea is that if they can get the audience to accept that the foundation of their argument, even if it isn't true, it becomes much harder to debunk the weaker points that support or reinforce it. The message will subtly sneak into their consciousness even if they would have disagreed with the overall premise initially, because they will walk away thinking that the people who made the video did their due diligence and researched the facts of the issue and wouldn't lie about something so fundamental. It sows seeds of doubt, makes them question if the left-wing sources of news are reliable arbiters of truth or facts. Repeat it enough times, and it becomes full-on indoctrination.

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It's not far from a few conservative commentators methods: start with a flawed premise then extrapolate further and further into absurdity based on this flawed premise to argue for policies that can't be reasonably defended

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Whostosayreply
sh.itjust.works

I don't doubt that you captured the likeness of their content, but why would you make something up when there is plenty of content they host that is ready to be pulled apart?

Username does not check out.

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Because it’s sanity-draining to go back there to copy out a very specific example.

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Nothing you've said has anything to do with whether my comment was logical.

"logic bomb" is not the same as "truth bomb"

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lemmy.world

Holy shit, even for right wing propaganda this stuff is so incredibly low quality.

Right wingers can't do anything well, they're talentless loser hacks.

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coyootjereply
lemmy.world

And somehow it still works. Let that sink in...

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tetris11reply
feddit.uk

it works because endless amounts of money is thrown at it

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tetris11reply
feddit.uk

You say idiots like you're immune. Every single one of us are experts in our own domain, but have neither the time nor the energy to become experts in all domains.

So we rely on other experts and the media to inform us, because that is historically their job. The media has unfortunately been co-opted by other interests, and has failed the public by spreading sensationalism and outright misinformation.

TLDR: Don't point the finger at your fellow man, point the finger at those who's job it was to inform them

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coyootjereply
lemmy.world

I'd say that it's not the media's job to inform us anymore, it's more to influence us and keep us docile. There are some small publications who still stick to informing people and telling the truth as objectively as they can but those are becoming fewer and fewer.

It sucks that it is this way but in a society where aunt Jo on Facebook can have a bigger audience spouting her nonsense then the local newspaper it is the way it is.

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I think what I hold issue with is the assumption that Aunt Jo getting a larger audience because her audience are idiots, and not because Aunt Jo's message is being artificially inflated by large corps trying to keep real news down

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No one is immune to propaganda, especially those who think they are

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lemmy.world

Right wingers can't do anything well, they're talentless loser hacks.

How are they in charge right now?

Never underestimate the opponent. In doing so, you are the who loses.

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I mean that in the artistic sense. They are obviously very good at seizing power.

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lemmy.ca

US is becoming third world authoritarian state with the world's largest military.

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ideonekreply
piefed.social

Becoming? You have army on the streets and people sentenced without trial. You don't have access to basic accommodations like maternity leave. You run away from ambulances... What else do you need?

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Whostosayreply
sh.itjust.works

What else do I need?

I'm sick and fucking tired of rich people having to pay taxes. I'm not one of them but holy shit do I identify with them.

Instead of me being paid what I'm worth right now, I'd really love it if we could just beat more minorities in the streets, take my money, and promise me that I might get some later. On top of that, I'm pretty sure I almost could afford to go see a doctor or even get my luxury bones looked at, but that would be gay.

I swear to God, the next time I

Release the Trump/Epstein files

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Unfortunately yeah. Only thing I need to do now is be arrogant about it and I can finally fit in with my peers.

Ps.

Release the Trump/Epstein files

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Yay! Whatever could go wrong by indoctrinating with fascist propaganda the country with the biggest military of the planet?

We need a new pandemic. Fast. If possible, of a virus for which there is already a vaccine. We can at least reduce fascist numbers to a more manageable number this way.

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MuskyMelonreply
lemmy.world

We need a new pandemic. Fast. If possible, of a virus for which there is already a vaccine. We can at least reduce fascist numbers to a more manageable number this way.

I hear that RFK Jr's CDC cuts left no expert on Ebola in the government. No vaccine for that but it has a 90% mortality rate. Pros and cons.

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Well, there's no vaccine but it's also "hard" to get it, since you need direct contact with a symptomatic individual's body fluids.

I imagine the novax crew going all out to touch someone infected just to prove "the big pharma" wrong and since it's really fast to kill, the rest of us just need to lock our doors for like one week until all these idiots are dying by milions.

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Maybe reduced attention span can shield from traditional forms of propoganda?

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

FML.... I genuinely don't think there is a chance of recovery without outside intervention at this point. Shit is fucked.

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lemmy.ca

This isn’t like WWII, where America swoops in to save the day against nazis.

No other super country will be coming for help.

You are on your own.

You want to be free of fascism in your country? You’re gonna have to do it yourself.

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Jesus_666reply
lemmy.world

Even if another country wanted to swoop in, that is specifically what the American nuclear arsenal is there to prevent. No one's gonna eat nukes for America's benefit.

At most, other countries could try to smuggle arms across the Canadian or Mexican border to help in a civil war – but Canada and Mexico might be reluctant to participate given that they might get dragged into the war. Also, it's pretty damn hard to smuggle large quantities of gear without being noticed.

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They'd be fucking up hard, because as soon as we're docile, nuke threats are going to be coming.

P.S.

Release the Trump/Epstein files

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GraniteMreply
lemmy.world

America in general is so heavily armed, what point would there be in smuggling arms into America? Coals and Newcastle and all that.

If we decide to tear ourselves apart, we've already got plenty of the tools required right at hand.

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Assuming a civil war, the side a given government wants to support might not have the backing of the army. And honestly, in a war scenario a bunch of dudes with AR-15s are going to do jack shit against tanks, UAVs, and actively defended military installations. Few people have TOWs at home, much less anything BVR capable. The army, meanwhile, is perfectly capable of burying a militia under missiles from a hundred miles away.

Given what we've learned from Ukraine, the most reasonable weapon to smuggle into a warring USA would be tons of cheap suicide drones. Small enough to possibly get in unnoticed (unlike, say, an MLRS battery), capable of taking out armored vehicles and strategic targets, cheap enough to manufacture at scale.

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MrVilliamreply
sh.itjust.works

The three-named dork missed and just clipped his ear, and now I don't think there will be other opportunities again.

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lemmy.ca

You thinking of making a deck of playing cards?

Remember, unlike Saddam, you can't put Orange Julius as the ace of clubs. It's a federal crime.

But everyone else? Open seaso-- uh, I mean, fair game.

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Yeah. They're very quickly working to make sure voting doesn't work either.

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It would leave a power vacuum that would weaken the enemy by design. Trump's entire game is making himself irreplaceable to their efforts. Everyone else is mostly disposable and interchangeable, no matter their competency or effectiveness at their rolls

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If they specifically need to mention it's a "good thing", you know it's definitely not

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its also intentionally , named PRAGER-U to make it more "educaiton authethic looking" so people would be fooled into actually watching the content.

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programming.dev

I think I was in 6th grade when we spent a week or more watching a movie called "The Wave" I think I'm going to force my children to watch it now that they're about that age.

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Holy shit - you just awakened a memory of watching that in civics class in high school in the 1980s. I had forgotten the name of it, but it left an impact on me.

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The Dollop did an episode on this if anyone wants an audio tldr. Shit is crazy but makes sense of how we got here. Its still fucking crazy and not normal through.

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Came to put this here, always happy to find more Pebis Prager ytps though 🤣🤣

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lemmy.zip

🎵 Conjunction junction, what’s your function? Removing constitutional phrases and clauses. 🎵

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Something doesn't sound right, but my days of watching Schoolhouse Rock are enough decades behind me that I can't put my finger on it.

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lemmy.world

wow... Muricans are about to get even more ignorant... open mouth, drooling level

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I hope Im alive to see americas youth throw off these chains of oppression. It will be quite the sight.

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Pyrreply
lemmy.ca

Well they might be getting close to creating drugs for immortality, so maayyyybe....

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Does this mean that the US will become even more of a global threat once whatever humanity and sense its population has is all but extinguished, or the opposite? Either way, GG WP. Get out now if you can, I'd say. The UK probably has another 10-15 years before being there, it's a decent option for the moment.

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I love that they feel the need to clarify that they're normal at the bottom. Such a normal thing to do.

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Gotta tell people it's a good thing. Their base is used to being told what to think. You can add that phrase after anything and they'll agree.

"Hey fellow Republican, we're taking your home and all your possessions. We're going to leave you penny less and on the street. This is a good thing."

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reddthat.com

For those curious about PragerU, you can get an idea what they teach from their free educational supplies: https://www.prageru.com/prageru-in-your-school

So you too can:

  • "Learn about important figures that represent American values who are often forgotten or mischaracterized in today’s classrooms"

  • "Give middle and high school students an appreciation for what makes America unique with our book series covering global issues, Around the World. Expanding on the stories from the animated series Around the World, these books explore complex topics such as communism, energy needs, and freedom of speech."

Yeah.... I'm sure these are fair, balanced, and totally not partisan educational supplies.

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Thanks but please don't link this shit directly.

There are debunkers specialising in Prager-not-U.

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Yes Mr Fat Man, please show me how I can become a fat pale pasty walking corpse like you!

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I love it! America will fall from within and have no one to blame but herself. I can't wait to see the repercussions of these decisions in 20 years.

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And even when mr Pedo chief goes after your children, you still do nothing? What even is there to live for at this point? Just spread open for cheto, and let him violate you completely.

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