Spyke
fedia.io

America - the land of "people should be punished for voting the 'wrong' way."

It's amazing that all it took was a few months of Trump in office for Republicans to stop even bothering to pretend to be anything other than overtly and explicitly anti-American - to out themselves as deliberate and even enthusiastic enemies of every single thing that ever made America great..

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dhorkreply
lemmy.world

There will be another election. There has to be on order for Congress to be seated in Jan 2027. The only question is how ratfucked it will be.

All the talk of emergency redistricting in Texas is actually an encouraging sign. Because it means that they aren't confident in the outcome of the next election, and need to ratfuck it further.

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Agree. They either need to go Putin's way - rig the elections badly from within, or go full Cesar way and seize the congress, potus seat, and everything else

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azimirreply
lemmy.ml

Conservatism is, at its root, monarchist. The original writers and thinkers were focused on preserving authoritarian rule, then upon how to build and maintain hierarchies of society where people rule over others.

They've never been interested in democratic ideals unless it suits them to reinstate a dictatorship.

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azimirreply
lemmy.ml

The early conservative thinkers wrote about the French Revolutions and the rise of egalitarian thinking meant that something must take the place of monarchies to decide the social order. They preferred war as the measure of who should be the leaders, but that money and wealth could be a substitute. This led to Capitalist concepts infesting the right wing since monarchies are off the table.

Innuendo Studios has some great videos summarizing the alt right, conservatism, and Christian nationalism if you're interested:

https://youtu.be/E4CI2vk3ugk

Regarding the mindset issue, it might be more baked into people than we'd like. Two great books on the topic are:

The Authoritarians by Altimeter

The Righteous Mind by Haidt

They also have videos summarizing the works in presentations and interviews. It seems that people end up having shadings of authoritarian drives, which means they're happier living under someone's commands and will work to preserve hierarchies despite the harm it causes others. Whether it is socialization or biological I don't know.

To sum up: some people want to be ruled and they're currently tearing the US down to let a king rule over the rubble.

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Edmund Burke and Joseph de Maistre were not anti-monarchist at all. Rather the opposite. If you're thinking of the founding fathers of the United States then you're not having the same conversation as who you replied to.

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Remember DOGE? Remember all of the databases they got access to without any actual clearance? It’s probably somewhere there. Especially if Trump’s allusion to the voting machines being provoked in his favor by his pet Muskrat are true.

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lemmy.world

So they're taking the money from the American people and then "generously" giving them back a portion of it and they say only to people who might financially need it. Almost like they're taxing people and redistributing income to those in need. If it wasn't for the hefty piece they're taking off the top and the blatant buying of votes, it almost sounds like Socialism!!

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midwest.social

I’d like to exclude Trump voters from all future elections. They’re clearly too stupid to handle the responsibility.

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Smart? Probably not, but motivated by fear, hatred, and ignorance? Most definitely. Of course, if the specter of a second term didn’t motivate you to vote, then that is not too smart either.

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lemmy.world

TBH yeah, anybody who votes against democracy itself shouldn't get the privilege, but implementing that fairly would be next to impossible.

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lemmy.world

It would be trivial. Look how people voted for the last 50 years and note that the south has been basically terrible. Demote all southern states to territories with no voting privileges beyond their own borders. Take away the vote of everyone that lives in the south.

Who cares about fairness the US will be so far ahead in 10 years that nobody will want to go back.

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Catoblepasreply
piefed.blahaj.zone

Fucking lol at complaining about Republicans taking money from Democrats while suggesting the solution is to remove constitutional rights from everyone, no matter how they voted if they live in the wrong place.

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Not everyone just the parts of the country that have consistently made bad decisions for like 175 years.

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thelemmy.club

Oh no not $600 whatever will I do without reaping the paltry benefits of our environment, due process, democracy, national parks, worldwide alliances, hope for any future other than an oligarchic dystopia, and soon, I’m sure, my ability to ever retire being destroyed by an orange rapist? Gee, that $600 sure would make all that feel way better!

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Whostosayreply
sh.itjust.works

That can almost cover a grocery trip for a large family. Better sell democracy for it

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WindyRebelreply
lemmy.world

Watch grocery stores update pricing for a surge when they know those checks have gone out just to line their pockets more.

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lemmy.world

He wants to exclude Biden voters from the $600 Trump tariff rebate checks?! The ones Trump got for us?

The same Trump that was best friends with Jeffery Epstein up until his suspicious suicide? You know, that known pedophile that Trump said "liked them young?" Remember when Trump wrote him a weird birthday card? That was odd for a president to do that. Trump did say he liked to grab women by the pussy. That was weird too.

Wait what were we talking about again? Oh yeah the $600 "sorry we dismantled your somewhat functioning government" check I probably won't get. Cool.

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After reading through the article, this is a misleading title. It sounds like he's trying to say that Biden voters are all wealthy people that wouldn't need this:

Well, you wouldn’t give it to everybody, you’d give it to the working people,” the Missouri Republican told far-right podcaster and former Trump adviser Steve Bannon on Tuesday. “You’d give it to our people.”

“I mean, you know, the rich people don’t need it … what I mean by that is all those Democrat donors of Wall Street, all these hedge fund guys, who all hate the tariffs, by the way."

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Gotta love clarification that makes a position more reasonable inside the clown-world fantasy the individual lives in but, in turn, also reveals just how more exaggeratingly stupid they actually are.

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This headline is a bit alarmist.

“I mean, you know, the rich people don’t need it … what I mean by that is all those Democrat donors of Wall Street, all these hedge fund guys, who all hate the tariffs, by the way.”

So he is basically just implying everyone who is poor voted Trump, and everyone rich voted Biden. It's basically a neutered version of class consciousness with a tribal mindset. Which is exactly the type of class consciousness I would expect Hawley to want his constituents to have. He's still being disingenuous, but he's not (as of right now) suggesting that we keep voter records to punish people for wrongthink.

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Meanwhile, Trump Admin requested the voter records for San Francisco county. Now I wonder why he would want that? 🤔

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It's cute that he thinks that Wall St hedge fund guys are Democrats

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Schmuppesreply
lemmy.today

European here, how does that "register with a party" thing work?

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The difference is usually (but not in all states) which party’s primary you can vote in.

I’m registered Democrat which means I can vote to select which candidates the Democratic Party is sponsoring

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It's cool. I don't need to be bribed to vote.

Also don't need a placebo incentive to make fucking over our partners and allies seem ok.

All this ignores the fact that everything has gotten more expensive under this chucklefuck kiddy rapist 'n chief that 600$ ain't gonna do fuck all but piss me off even more!

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I wasn’t aware all Biden voters were rich.

$600/person will go by so quickly with even more inflated prices of goods.

Unless it’s UBI, we don’t need checks. We need higher wages and lower costs of living.

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reddthat.com

oh boy, 600 whole dollars. Woohoo. That'll cover like 3 months of price increases due to the tariffs.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

Doesn’t that cover healthcare for the millions of people losing Medicaid and ACA plans?

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That’s 3 weeks of groceries for my family. Might finally get to buy a steak for dinner.

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lemmy.world

I love that there are two parties, one that represents all of America, and one that represents half of America, and the half side keeps getting elected? Do you want ants, America? Because that's how you get ants

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AlexLostreply
lemmy.world

You are right, neither of them do. At least one isn't trying to cut the throats of half the country though. Nice rebuttal! One is willing to put aside differences and find middle ground, the other wants to throw anyone who disagrees in a deep dark prison so they never see the light of day. Totally both sides though, ammirite?

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

You are right, neither of them do.

Duh.

Nice rebuttal

It wasn't meant to be a rebuttal, it was meant to be a mildly condescending statement of an obvious truth

Totally both sides though

What if I told you that two things can suck, at the same time, even if they're not exactly identical? If your choices are losing a toe or losing a leg, of course most folks would choose the toe. They'd have to be real douchebags to cheerlead for the people who cut their toe off though.

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AlexLostreply
lemmy.world

Which is exactly why the Democratic party stagnates around indecision. Every issue is "yeah, but..." Where as the Republican party just ignores literal crimes in their midst, because he's "their guy". This isn't inherently an American problem, it's a political one. Who is cheerleading? Both things can be true too, one is less evil but still needs to be fixed, it's a lot better than literally chopping your own foot off with a blunt shovel and blaming the other guy. I've always been taught and discovered myself that one must always challenge authority, and to beware anyone promising you exactly what you want to hear.

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

Who is cheerleading?

You are, when you say they represent all Americans. They represent their donors. They give lip service to all Americans.

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AlexLostreply
lemmy.world

Oh shut up. What political party doesn't? I'm waiting...

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Vupwarereply
lemmy.zip

Good thing I’m not solely dependent on you for information haha

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That is a very good thing. I would not recommend using me as a source for anything!!

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lemmy.world

Now that's how you do a cognitive dissonance!

Also, Sen. Josh Hawley should be excluded from terrestrial oxygen.

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Judging by his cognitive abilities I'd say he probably has been excluded from a good portion of terrestrial oxygen for most of his life.

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Wait... they're doing rebate checks? I thought these tariffs were supposed to magically cover the overwhelming budget deficits? And how exactly will they do that when it's being distributed as free money?

Literally trying to bribe their terrible ideas into being popular, while blowing the deficit out even further. 600$ will finally convince Americans their economy is doing well and isn't barrelling towards utter catastrophe at mach speeds. Astounding work.

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lemmy.world

He really is resorting to his lamest trick which was the Covid checks. I bet you anything he’s going to sign them like last time.

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The rich people don’t need it .

He means millionaires like him?

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lemmy.zip

To be honest, I'm just looking forward to the massive tax savings and ridiculously lowered tax bill I'm one billion percent sure is going to materialize in 2026 from all the DOGE savings we've attained. Totally holding my breath on that one. Do cremated remains even pay taxes? Who the fuck am I kidding, this is the USA, of course they do.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

How about you and I team up and throw a party, the size of which directly scales with the savings we experience this year? Of course, any tax savings must first be offset by cost of living increases. Can one throw a party of negative size?

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There are so many things wrong with every single Hawley quote in this article, it’s like he’s pioneering a new subgenre of intellectual failure. He’s not just wrong on the facts, or the descriptions, or the correlations; he’s blending all of it into a dense, swirling vortex of confident nonsense, that’s somehow more structurally unsound than the sum of its parts. And I’m about 78% sure he knows exactly what he’s doing. I just can’t decide whether that’s impressive, or evidence of some latent morlockian genetic ability to produce lies so elaborate and self-assured, that they short-circuit your instinct to question them.

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PattyMcBreply
lemmy.world

It sounds like what an LLM does. Maybe AI can replace him

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Well, that certainly seems fair. After all, even though I'm a Leftist and I detest the majority of Dems, I still voted for Kamala against Trump and that makes me a traitor.

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Jodereply
midwest.social

Shit like this is a good way to get a dude in a uniform knocking at your door.

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Conservatism is entirely "in-group to protect, out-group to hurt". So, so. They don't. They are worse then toddlers.

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