Remembering the good old days of eSheep.exe and my dad freaking out that "It's a virus!" because he saw "a black sheep come running up to the other one and hit it! It started bleeding!"
Dad, that's a ram... The other sheep's not bleeding. It's blushing!
Embarrassingly recently a load of people were i worked (including me) downloaded from some sketchy website and installed a snow effect and christmas tree generator on our work PCs just added christmassy overlay over what you're doing.
I remember I used to be subscribed to a mailing list for a programming language. A friend of the lead developer set the mailing list up for them at his university, and then went off and did his own thing. It was completely unmoderated. Some kid sent a "neat little proggy" his friend Dieter wrote. If the extent of my Internet usage wasn't limited to free email through Juno, my entire hard drive probably would have gotten deleted that day lol
There used to be this thing going around on pre-smartphone phones (via Bluetooth, I assume) that showed a pocket watch closing and when it was fully closed, the phone shut down. We all thought it was hilarious to send it to as many people as possible and watch them panic. I don't even know what format it was to look like a normal gif or video and do that. I certainly didn't even care back then.
We were not prepared, as a species, for a device that let us come up with any opinion at all and find validation for it.
It used to be that when you had an opinion that was wrong, you’d say it out loud a number of times, and you’d notice that everyone around you would call you an imbecile and ridicule you. It would make you reassess yourself and grow as a person.
Now that societal failsafe is gone. Now people just aren’t challenged for holding the wrong opinion.
That was an integral part of growing up and maturing. We don’t have a solution for it.
Why are you being downvoted? Why are you being made fun of? Ridiculing others isn’t particularly nice. If the person you’re arguing with is a troll, move on. If they aren’t a troll, then have a civil and respectful discussion with them. If you can’t come to a middle ground where you understand their point and they understand your point, move on.
Ridiculing others is just mean. Who knows what they’re going through? It’s easy to forget people behind these texts are people too.
I hate arguments in general because time and time again, people go into an argument trying to prove their point, the other person feels their point is being attacked since they’re being told a different point so then it turns into both sides attacking the other person’s point. Like, you think they’re gonna be inclined to understand your point if you say something like, “That is a stupid point you’re making because…” All that’s gonna do is make the other person feel attacked, so they attack your points (or you), which makes an argument just a war zone where both sides aren’t trying to under each other and instead try to find anything that helps their point, like warping their words a little, or pressuring them so that they say something stupid which they can use as ammunition. At that point, no one is trying to understand each other. They’re all too busy trying to prove their point while hurting the other person’s point. Try to understand the other person. Doesn’t mean you have to agree with them. Just understand.
It's not that they aren't challenged for any given opinion, If you go into the wrong place you still get lambasted but then you'll just say "oh that's because I put an insert group here idea in an insert opposing group forum and thats why I got downvoted. The problem is how easily you can put yourself in a bubble online, compared to real life where unless you work/shop/live in the same community of like-minded people you'll be forced to eventually come to grips with the fact that you're one of many POV's.
It's hard to tell how popular or unpopular your opinion is in terms of the average person, now. Since it's all just chatrooms online with vague numbers of subscribers, etc.
This exactly. I think theres a saying that goes “our technology far outstrips our actual intelligence”. Surprisingly smart phones & arguably the internet as well are both technologies that we are unable to manage responsibly as a species. Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug
Back in the 90’s & early 00’s, if you were running around ranting about Jewish space lasers or kids being dissected in the basement of your local Pizza Hut, you’d be shunned, ridiculed and likely catch a visit from your local police department haha
Yeah. I firmly believe it will be a hurdle the human race cannot overcome. Technology advances faster than our own maturity. If you gave a room full of 4 year olds loaded guns, how long would they last in there?
No way dude. By that point there’d be a bunch of guns with bullets left and only one kid. Kids hurt themselves on a piece of paper and crayons. No shot.
Of course, sometimes those ideas being ridiculed were "I don't think our king, who claims Primae Noctis and whips anyone who looks at him, was actually chosen by God to rule. Gramp said he remembers when the king murdered the old king and skull-fucked him. Maybe we're just victims of an inherently violent system?"
I remember downloading what I thought was a no-CD crack for some game from Kazaa.
It was an app that locked my screen, opened a window, and systematically deleted every folder in my main C: drive before crashing. Then the screen went black and a message popped up that said "Thank god it's only a game."
The exe was an ad for some indie Doomclone FPS game where the levels were your computer's file structure and the walls of the rooms would be decorated with the images stored in your folders. I shut down my machine after that. I was shaking for the next hour.
If anyone knows the game, I'd love to learn what it was all about.
It was definitely a sad movie and not easy to watch at times. However, it was well written and acted, and considering it was the lead's debut performance, that's extra impressive. For me, it was one of those movies that's enjoyable, yet uncomfortable. I think it was very successful in what it set out to do.
I vaguely remember seeing a news article about something like that. I think it was a game where killing enemies caused files to be deleted from your computer. It was portrayed as some kind of artistic statement about digital possessions or something.
Someone in the forum where it was being discussed sarcastically said they developed a live action version called "playing baseball inside."
Internet absolutely was better 15 years ago. Everything is paywalled now and there's constant disinformation. Algorithms feed you bullshit and people all post outrage bait to get attention. Not saying that stuff didn't exist 15 years ago, but it's absolutely become the dominant experience online.
You can't even Google shit anymore, it's all AI written articles. I used to use Reddit for that with site:reddit.com but I wonder how long we will be able to.
People suggest using other search engines instead like Bing or DuckDuckGo, but the fact that they no longer support the "-" operator in search is annoying.
When I first started my career I was in tier 3 tech support and to troll a colleague we put an mp3 in the startup folder on Windows. Every time he booted the computer to troubleshoot he lost his s*** trying to figure out why the music was playing. The dude ended up formatting C:
I went to an internet café once. I opened regedit and went to Win98 colour settings. I swapped top and left border colours with bottom and right ones to make all windows and buttons look debossed. I left. That PC was "out of order" for two weeks afterwards.
That's genius. I was always more of a screenshot-your-desktop-then-set-it-as-wallpaper-and-hide-taskbar-and-icons kinda guy but that one is so damn subtle it probably just leads to people thinking everything works normally except that it feels ever so slightly off, but they can't put their finger on it. I like it a lot.
Only time I ever got a virus that crashed my PC was from an old-school forum that apparently was hacked to include a drive-by download of some type that infected my PC just from loading the webpage. The shit wouldn't even boot and I didn't try to recover it, because I had just imaged the hard drive a week before luckily.
Forums aren't gone. They just were never really big to begin with. Reddit eclipsed all of them to the point that most forums were irrelevant unless they were highly specific (not like, a gaming or show community) or couldn't be on reddit (straight piracy with linking, other stuff we won't talk about)
They're not even gone, just the communities that want them are fewer and far between.
While I do like the relative anonimity we have around here compared to more traditional forums I surely wouldn't complain if we had user flairs in specific communities like Reddit has.
One thing that happened since I joined the feddieverse is that I've spend more time on the underbelly of the internet. Like, the other day I found someones blog. Not their tumblr or anything, their own personal blog.
It looked like shit and was filled with pointless entries but it was the internet in it's rawest form
Yeah, specific forums for games or apps are still here, they're just pretty empty unless there's a big community for them. Some companies intentionally make forums their first and best place to get info, honestly.
When I was a teenager, a bunch of my friends online were tossing that around. I found a trojan and started sending it around as cupholder.exe but making it look like I wasn't the one who sent it... and just immediately logged in and opened their CD tray. Then started fucking with their system in silly ways.
Ahh the good old days when even malware wasn't that bad. Or maybe I was just a really stupid kid. At least I password-locked the trojan and removed it when I left.
1978 for BBS vs either 1974 for the publication of TCP itself, or 1982/1983 for deployment of the same TCP/IP we use today, or 1976 for X.25, or 1977 for the first actual live interconnection of multiple packet switched networks.
I tried sending on a fake virus I coded myself in pascal to a teacher I hated in 2000. I don't know if she opened it, but she did get demoted from head of science.
They're still around! Discourse, phpbb, etc make it super easy to set up and administer. You don't even need coding knowledge. I'm part of a forum that's been going since the early oughts myself. Old Ocremix forums diaspora.
Think of it like a bookclub. You've just got to find some folks and get cracking
I remember back in the day there was a virus where a random cat would show up on the screen and slowly chase your mouse cursor. Once it did, it would crash your computer. I think I got it from a random .exe from a site called happypuppy or something like that.
It was 2006 or 2007 when I sent a girl from my class a funny pdf.exe on ICQ, which simply restarted her computer when she started it.
I didn't know that she would lose a whole day's work that way, but eh what are you gonna do if programs don't have autosafe.
Back in the day when we ran random exes, good times
Remembering the good old days of eSheep.exe and my dad freaking out that "It's a virus!" because he saw "a black sheep come running up to the other one and hit it! It started bleeding!"
Dad, that's a ram... The other sheep's not bleeding. It's blushing!
Embarrassingly recently a load of people were i worked (including me) downloaded from some sketchy website and installed a snow effect and christmas tree generator on our work PCs just added christmassy overlay over what you're doing.
I shudder to think of it now
How recently?
like 2016-2017ish i think
xsnow
That's an adorable story.
I remember I used to be subscribed to a mailing list for a programming language. A friend of the lead developer set the mailing list up for them at his university, and then went off and did his own thing. It was completely unmoderated. Some kid sent a "neat little proggy" his friend Dieter wrote. If the extent of my Internet usage wasn't limited to free email through Juno, my entire hard drive probably would have gotten deleted that day lol
There used to be this thing going around on pre-smartphone phones (via Bluetooth, I assume) that showed a pocket watch closing and when it was fully closed, the phone shut down. We all thought it was hilarious to send it to as many people as possible and watch them panic. I don't even know what format it was to look like a normal gif or video and do that. I certainly didn't even care back then.
My guess is it was an actual gif that exploited some flaw in how the OS handled gifs and thus was able to execute code.
That would make sense. Thanks for coming up with an explanation. I did wonder when I thought about this earlier.
Or Bloover(?) The Bluetooth hacking app that could copy someone's texts and call log
Back in the day it was innocent fun. I miss those days.
Our parents, 10 years ago "Don't trust anything you read online!"
Parents, today: "I do my own research online!"
We were not prepared, as a species, for a device that let us come up with any opinion at all and find validation for it.
It used to be that when you had an opinion that was wrong, you’d say it out loud a number of times, and you’d notice that everyone around you would call you an imbecile and ridicule you. It would make you reassess yourself and grow as a person.
Now that societal failsafe is gone. Now people just aren’t challenged for holding the wrong opinion.
That was an integral part of growing up and maturing. We don’t have a solution for it.
That's why rather than trying to change people's mind on the internet, I've resorted to just ridiculing them instead.
How constructive of you.
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You ever try to change a Trumpers mind you fucking rag doll?
You too can be awesome! On the website of your instance, you can change your display name. I used a fancy font generator on Google.
Why are you being downvoted? Why are you being made fun of? Ridiculing others isn’t particularly nice. If the person you’re arguing with is a troll, move on. If they aren’t a troll, then have a civil and respectful discussion with them. If you can’t come to a middle ground where you understand their point and they understand your point, move on.
Ridiculing others is just mean. Who knows what they’re going through? It’s easy to forget people behind these texts are people too.
I hate arguments in general because time and time again, people go into an argument trying to prove their point, the other person feels their point is being attacked since they’re being told a different point so then it turns into both sides attacking the other person’s point. Like, you think they’re gonna be inclined to understand your point if you say something like, “That is a stupid point you’re making because…” All that’s gonna do is make the other person feel attacked, so they attack your points (or you), which makes an argument just a war zone where both sides aren’t trying to under each other and instead try to find anything that helps their point, like warping their words a little, or pressuring them so that they say something stupid which they can use as ammunition. At that point, no one is trying to understand each other. They’re all too busy trying to prove their point while hurting the other person’s point. Try to understand the other person. Doesn’t mean you have to agree with them. Just understand.
It's not that they aren't challenged for any given opinion, If you go into the wrong place you still get lambasted but then you'll just say "oh that's because I put an insert group here idea in an insert opposing group forum and thats why I got downvoted. The problem is how easily you can put yourself in a bubble online, compared to real life where unless you work/shop/live in the same community of like-minded people you'll be forced to eventually come to grips with the fact that you're one of many POV's.
It's hard to tell how popular or unpopular your opinion is in terms of the average person, now. Since it's all just chatrooms online with vague numbers of subscribers, etc.
This exactly. I think theres a saying that goes “our technology far outstrips our actual intelligence”. Surprisingly smart phones & arguably the internet as well are both technologies that we are unable to manage responsibly as a species. Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug
Back in the 90’s & early 00’s, if you were running around ranting about Jewish space lasers or kids being dissected in the basement of your local Pizza Hut, you’d be shunned, ridiculed and likely catch a visit from your local police department haha
Yeah. I firmly believe it will be a hurdle the human race cannot overcome. Technology advances faster than our own maturity. If you gave a room full of 4 year olds loaded guns, how long would they last in there?
That is us with the internet.
I think at least one would probably survive.
No way dude. By that point there’d be a bunch of guns with bullets left and only one kid. Kids hurt themselves on a piece of paper and crayons. No shot.
Of course, sometimes those ideas being ridiculed were "I don't think our king, who claims Primae Noctis and whips anyone who looks at him, was actually chosen by God to rule. Gramp said he remembers when the king murdered the old king and skull-fucked him. Maybe we're just victims of an inherently violent system?"
I agree with everything you said except for this. Opinions are never wrong since they're subjective, they're just fucking stupid.
What if my opinion on peanut butter is that it tastes like apples.
I remember downloading what I thought was a no-CD crack for some game from Kazaa.
It was an app that locked my screen, opened a window, and systematically deleted every folder in my main C: drive before crashing. Then the screen went black and a message popped up that said "Thank god it's only a game."
The exe was an ad for some indie Doomclone FPS game where the levels were your computer's file structure and the walls of the rooms would be decorated with the images stored in your folders. I shut down my machine after that. I was shaking for the next hour.
If anyone knows the game, I'd love to learn what it was all about.
Here's a video of that .exe running:
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Fuck. I've been looking for that for so long. Had the same experience. It fucked me up.
The game it was advertising is called "Virus: The Game" pretty sure danooct1 made a video on the advert & game.
I think that was called "We're All Going to the World's Fair" or something.
That's the name of a recent, unrelated horror movie, not the game in question.
It was a pretty good movie, if you're into horror.
I actually found it very sad. As a parent of a kid near the age of the main character, it was really painful to see her loneliness and isolation.
It was definitely a sad movie and not easy to watch at times. However, it was well written and acted, and considering it was the lead's debut performance, that's extra impressive. For me, it was one of those movies that's enjoyable, yet uncomfortable. I think it was very successful in what it set out to do.
I vaguely remember seeing a news article about something like that. I think it was a game where killing enemies caused files to be deleted from your computer. It was portrayed as some kind of artistic statement about digital possessions or something.
Someone in the forum where it was being discussed sarcastically said they developed a live action version called "playing baseball inside."
It was a space invaders clone with files being the aliens?
It was 3D
They were just meshing around
The game's called "Virus The Game", if I'm not mistaken
Bingo! Thanks!
That sounds awesome
Did it actually delete everything
No. It was only a game.
This reminds me of Operation: Inner Space
Internet absolutely was better 15 years ago. Everything is paywalled now and there's constant disinformation. Algorithms feed you bullshit and people all post outrage bait to get attention. Not saying that stuff didn't exist 15 years ago, but it's absolutely become the dominant experience online.
Hardware has gotten better though!
Can't even tell cause software has gotten so much worse
You can't even Google shit anymore, it's all AI written articles. I used to use Reddit for that with site:reddit.com but I wonder how long we will be able to.
People suggest using other search engines instead like Bing or DuckDuckGo, but the fact that they no longer support the "-" operator in search is annoying.
You forgot clickbait
Ι remember back in early 2010s with clickbaits enforcing you to Like on their Facebook Page in order to read the clickbeat post :P
I fucking hate the Internet outside Lemmy, Mastodon, and select discords.
And you can get rid of anything you hate, meanwhile porn loads in seconds.
I wouldn't go back
When you see "Account created: 1997".
"These are the sacred scrolls of the ancient ones."
I have boots older than some people that are posting on Lemmy today...
When I first started my career I was in tier 3 tech support and to troll a colleague we put an mp3 in the startup folder on Windows. Every time he booted the computer to troubleshoot he lost his s*** trying to figure out why the music was playing. The dude ended up formatting C:
Precious memories.
I went to an internet café once. I opened regedit and went to Win98 colour settings. I swapped top and left border colours with bottom and right ones to make all windows and buttons look debossed. I left. That PC was "out of order" for two weeks afterwards.
That's genius. I was always more of a screenshot-your-desktop-then-set-it-as-wallpaper-and-hide-taskbar-and-icons kinda guy but that one is so damn subtle it probably just leads to people thinking everything works normally except that it feels ever so slightly off, but they can't put their finger on it. I like it a lot.
I used to wonder why my mom mistrusted online banking so much but looking back at the free programs I downloaded plus limewire it makes sense
I like how you would download a totally random executable and run it. Not suspicious at all!
Oh we still do, we still do.
Only time I ever got a virus that crashed my PC was from an old-school forum that apparently was hacked to include a drive-by download of some type that infected my PC just from loading the webpage. The shit wouldn't even boot and I didn't try to recover it, because I had just imaged the hard drive a week before luckily.
Forums aren't gone. They just were never really big to begin with. Reddit eclipsed all of them to the point that most forums were irrelevant unless they were highly specific (not like, a gaming or show community) or couldn't be on reddit (straight piracy with linking, other stuff we won't talk about)
They're not even gone, just the communities that want them are fewer and far between.
We're on a forum right now!
Technically, yes!
While I do like the relative anonimity we have around here compared to more traditional forums I surely wouldn't complain if we had user flairs in specific communities like Reddit has.
Sorting by new comments kind of emulates this.
It's not a contest
One thing that happened since I joined the feddieverse is that I've spend more time on the underbelly of the internet. Like, the other day I found someones blog. Not their tumblr or anything, their own personal blog.
It looked like shit and was filled with pointless entries but it was the internet in it's rawest form
Yeah, specific forums for games or apps are still here, they're just pretty empty unless there's a big community for them. Some companies intentionally make forums their first and best place to get info, honestly.
When I was a teenager, a bunch of my friends online were tossing that around. I found a trojan and started sending it around as
cupholder.exebut making it look like I wasn't the one who sent it... and just immediately logged in and opened their CD tray. Then started fucking with their system in silly ways.Ahh the good old days when even malware wasn't that bad. Or maybe I was just a really stupid kid. At least I password-locked the trojan and removed it when I left.
Sub7 was the one, so many scripts at the click of a button
🤯
Fun fact, the forum post is now 17 years old.
"What colleges have you applied to?"
My wife called them invisible friends, even after we all met lol
She needs to get her eyesight checked
I view forums as the middle era of the internet.
Th early era was chatrooms, the middle era was forums, and the late era, which we are in now, is all social media.
I miss the middle era of the internet. Forums were a blast. You could really build a community with those things.
BBS predate chatrooms and are proto-forums.
BBSes predate the internet.
Depends on definitions.
1978 for BBS vs either 1974 for the publication of TCP itself, or 1982/1983 for deployment of the same TCP/IP we use today, or 1976 for X.25, or 1977 for the first actual live interconnection of multiple packet switched networks.
Perhaps better phrased: BBS predate the web (http+html) and the modern internet. Gopher doesn't count ;)
Agree to all. How would you define the format of what you're reading right now, some derivitive of a forum?
Social media.
Disagree, politely.. Not in the "OMG INTERNET DISAGREEMENT I HOPE YOUR MOTHER GETS FUCKED BY A HORSE!" way.
Reddit/Lemmy/Etc are nothing more than slightly more elaborate twitter with better filtering/catagorization. Social media all the way down.
But its its not a major issue, so its not like we need to invest time in a slapfight over whose wrong and whose right.
More like 20 years ago
Nah, man, 2000 was like 10 years ago.
Nah, 10 years ago it was 1990.
Right, guys?
Yeah, I definitely wasn't downloading and running random exes to see what they did 10 years ago. But I probably would have 20 or 25 years ago.
This image itself is almost 10 years old at this point.
I'm pretty sure we had this joke app in the mid 90s. I vaguely recall the joke would reference coke or similar.
Haha I remember this one, it was Coca Cola themed. It'd eject your CDROM tray 😂
A random EXE that does exactly as it says? That was rare even during the frontier fort days of the internet.
I look back to how many "fake virus" exes I used to download and wonder how I never actually got one.
I tried sending on a fake virus I coded myself in pascal to a teacher I hated in 2000. I don't know if she opened it, but she did get demoted from head of science.
25 years ago. I remember.
They're still around! Discourse, phpbb, etc make it super easy to set up and administer. You don't even need coding knowledge. I'm part of a forum that's been going since the early oughts myself. Old Ocremix forums diaspora.
Think of it like a bookclub. You've just got to find some folks and get cracking
Forums are still around. If you really missed them, you can go find them. I don't think it's forums you miss.
Good luck finding a cd-rom drive these days
I had to buy an external one recently to get some expensive MRI data off a CD-ROM, as none of my computers or laptops have optical drives these days.
Now I can be introspective by looking inside my head.
Those make terrible cupholders though.
Probably just those with a slot, not a tray.
Wait I have an .exe file to fix that for you right here somewhere!
I still have my first computer in the attic.
6MHz/12MHz turbo, 40MB internal drive, 5.25'' floppy drive. Not sure about RAM, I think it had 64KB.
We need turbo buttons and MHz displays back on our computers!
Had to scroll pretty far to find this comment...
What's a CD-Rom drive?
I just replaced my wife's desktop. Pulled the optical drive out of the 6 year old box I was replacing.
Connected it up and it works seamless. She'll use it once or twice in the next 5 or 6 years.
That stuff was just built differently
Just mount the iso/dmg file as a virtual drive
should be easy to write like a forum skin UI for lemmy, no?
(thinking like https://old.lemmy.world or https://a.lemmy.world but made to look like a forum)
They have one, though it's still incomplete and experimental.
Lmao this is great
technically yes, copied interface the like of vbulletin, xenforo, phpbb and such
by someone that much more proficient in creating them, of course
I remember back in the day there was a virus where a random cat would show up on the screen and slowly chase your mouse cursor. Once it did, it would crash your computer. I think I got it from a random .exe from a site called happypuppy or something like that.
Hah, Happypuppy. That was cool site for a while.
I used to run a forum for my friends. On my own hardware for a while too. I too miss forums. I may look into doing it all over again, just cuz!
Take me back
still many out there. attachments are less dangerous
I just recently moved my super old Mc server off reddit to a custom Discourse insane, and I've got to say it is lovely
It was 2006 or 2007 when I sent a girl from my class a funny pdf.exe on ICQ, which simply restarted her computer when she started it. I didn't know that she would lose a whole day's work that way, but eh what are you gonna do if programs don't have autosafe.
Also, anyone remember "dialers"? Fun times.