California husband says he will continue to support MAGA movement after wife taken into federal custody
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He's rationalizing what's happening. They are never letting her out. They are going to take her out of the country and she will never be coming back to the USA again. I wonder if that is what it will take for him to change his opinion.
I think you're right. He's been conditioned to keep the faith and look past the cult's obvious failure to keep its promise of protecting him and his; if he only keeps the faith, everything will surely come right. He still believes that surely dear leader would never hurt him. I think his wife getting flown out to Serbia without a trial miiiight just be the wakeup call.
Kinda sounds like religions...don't question, just believe.
At this point, I think it's pretty safe to call MAGA a religion, specifically an offshot of American Evangelism. I don't think you can call its faithful Christians anymore, because while they're happy to borrow all the trappings and symbols of Christianity, every place where Christ and Trump conflict, Trump wins, including who gets to be Godhead. I'm really not exaggerating, I think a lot of people have walked into an entirely new faith without yet realizing it. If you're looking for a modern anti-christ, it's hard to do better than Trump.
The followers of the antichrist will wear the mark of the beast on their foreheads
The antichrist will appear to be mortally wounded but miraculously survive
The antichrist is one who is arrogant and boastful, loves making public threats, and is obsessed with winning and being viewed as a conqueror
The antichrist will be someone who somehow sneaks into power rather than being properly handed it, specifically by colluding with a few powerful people because he does not have the majority on his side
Someone who will develop a cult of personality, and turn otherwise good people away from what they previously knew as righteous
Someone who’s rise to power and imperviousness to being stopped will serve as justification of his righteousness to those who have been tricked
Someone who “will distribute among his followers the plunder and wealth of the rich—something his predecessors had never done”(Daniel 11:24). Obviously were reading “followers” as his wealthiest friends that prop up his position
He will “try to change the set times and the laws”, “cause deceit to prosper”, and “will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will sell them land at a price.”
He will wage war on “the kingdom of the south” and target its people.
He will do everything that he does in service to himself and to the detriment of all those who are suffering:
He will be friends with a leader in Israel and “will do as he pleases; no one will be able to stand against him. He will establish himself in the Beautiful Land, and will have the power to destroy it. He will determine to come with the might of his entire kingdom, and make an alliance… then, he will turn his attention to the coastlands.” - (Daniel 11:16-18)
Literally the only aspect of Trump that doesnt match the biblical description of the antichrist is that the biblical antichrist is ultimately stopped by the courts. And we all know the supreme court isnt doing shit about this one…
Really? I'm interested in more about this. I'm not religious, but these parallels have always interested me, and I'd like to read more about this courts bit.
I was raised evangelical but am now thoroughly deconstructed. There’s some interesting things here, but keep in mind that all “prophesy” is designed to be interpretive.
While a lot of the claims of the person above do have scriptural origins, there are a few problems. What I am about to provide is done so for academic purposes, not religious or ideological ones. I do not believe in or endorse religious scripture, but I am bothered by how casually and rampantly it is misrepresented for religious or political gain, as if it isn’t readily available to read in it’s original languages and contexts.
It could be in a court if jesus beats him in a tennis match. I haven't read that bit so I don't know what's actually supposed to happen.
I don't remember biblical antichrist being stopped by courts, I seem to remember that he ultimately gets yeeted into hell.
This is 100% correct. Evangelicals Christianity, never a beacon of rationality or clarity of doctrine, has now been fully captured by MAGA. There is no functional difference between Christian Nationalism and Evangelical American Christianity.
I worry this is only the beginning. I genuinely believe that Evangelicals will also embrace AI and incorporate it into their beliefs somehow. I also believe Trump will be divinized before his term is up - at least within Evangelical Christian Nationalism.
Cult, religion, two sides of the same fucking coin.
Yup and they way they talk—with made up terms and repeating eventually meaningless words like woke and DEI—it’s exactly how cults like Heaven’s Gate, Jim Jomes, and Branch Davidians talked and controlled their followers.
With all the rapes happening at the ICE Camps, She may end up pregnant on the inbetween or dead honestly.
I'm not a psychologist but I suspect there's something amiss here.
Like a lot of these people if he steps back from his loyalty to Trump, he's kind of admitting that he's partially responsible for what's happened.
Clinging to this shaky narrative of how this is actually a good thing allows him to offload the guilt.
I think this might be "delusional" in the clinical sense.
Over time the belief becomes more entrenched. Something like muscle memory but a thought pattern. It will then become the basis for even nuttier thoughts.
It's sad for him, it's sadder for her, it's even sadder for their kids who might me next. It's just shit all the way down.
I do see a trend with the conservative base here where getting them to admit they are wrong about ANYTHING is like a personal attack and they simply are not equipped with the emotional prowess and maturity needed to learn from it.
It's a core characteristic they've learned from HitlerPig, who learned it from his mentor Roy Cohn, who always said that you never admit that you were wrong or were defeated. Always declare victory, and NEVER, EVER apologize.
HitlerPig lives by that, and his followers have adopted it as well.
Thats true, but i think this guy is kinda next level.
Gotta double down on the delusions or face the unimaginable guilt.
Probably something that alters his brain's physical structure.
Yeah, their statement made that crystal clear. They're calling her a burglar.
Majority of them, do not give a shit, They will just find someone new.
It will either change his opinion or his marital status
That's how much of a cult MAGA are. Completely brainwashed.
This is why we all need to talk with our friends, families, and even co-workers to get out and vote. Most voter turnout rates I’ve seen are 60-70%. There has too be more sane people outside of the cult.
This monster!
Note that the cops decided to let her back into her home to say goodbye here. If they didn't have the Trump flags the last thing they would've seen was her being taken down and hog tied in the driveway.
She's still gone. Goodbyes or not, she was snatched.
And regardless of Trump flags, she'll mixed in with all the others.
Even my friends say I'm an idiot. I'm like, no I like being this way.
I think this is the smart move. Most Americans have yet to learn how things work in a police state. This guy's wife got kidnapped by the SS, and you think he should be like, "Fuck Trump!"
No, man, he is hoping that if he continues to suck the dick they won't rape, torture, and murder her - and then come for him.
Insert "Wife bad" boomerhumor.
She says “i wanna go somewhere I never been” i say “try the kitchen”
just like my ex, after I supported her medical school she convinced my to move to the States with my kids, once settled and in school she wrote USCIS to cancel the greencard process behind my back.
I'm struggling to get my visa now, and probably end up in Alligator Auschwitz.
That really stinks, sorry that you're going through that. :/
Why not move back to the country you emigrated from? Assuming you still hold valid citizenship there? I would love the help trying to turn this shit around, but its too dangerous for you here.
because If I do so, I wll never see my daughters again.
Christ man. Sorry your ex is such a psycho and the place is treating you like dirt. You deserve better
Uhhh.. there’s a lot of important information missing.
do you need me to give you the full report and documentation? should I give you the police reports about be getting beaten? do you need the screenshots of threats regarding my immigration status?
it's a casual conversation online not a fucking trial.
I think your username is probably working against you on this one.
yhea, but come on. I just wanted a funny/cute/clever username, and I like getting replies like "you reminded me to take my meds"
His wife is getting fucked and he's asking for more. 'Round these parts we call that a cuck.
Racists tend to be very unkind to race-mixers and mixed people. They'll come back later for him and his kids.
What does race mixing have to do with this story?
American conservatives are a truly pathetic culture.
It's probably been long enough that he was about to trade her in for a newer model, anyway
That's kind of what I was thinking. This is the kind of sick sociopath that kills his wife and kids and goes on the news about looking for the killer. You've got to be absolutely fucked in the head to not only abandon her to her fate in a concentration camp, one that you likely cheer for it's cruelty, but to watch that happen and fly the flag of the man who did it. Hopefully the kids manage to emancipate themselves as soon as legally possible. Assuming they don't get deported too.
Somebody called in the tip himself...
Remember folks: 1930/40’s nazis did this with Jewish friends, family, neighbors too. This is not a new formula.
yeah also i remember in Sophie's choice where they take the kid and she later says she's gonna support the Nazi party anyway
Maga is nested inside misogyny. His wife's problems are subordinate to his political allegiance. He probably things that trump will recompense the loss of his wife.
I think in this case its less that and more absolute delusion
Funny how these MAGA cucks hate gay people, but would be the first to hop on Donald’s dick.
they are all closeted, all the hate around trans people, they couldnt help themselves with watching porn on it.
Trump's disco-stick
Take my wife, please!
Yeah, DHS's side of the story made their intentions clear: that woman isn't returning home
He's a coward piece of shit.
He just wants a new wife.
My thought too. "Oohhhh noooo, they took her away. So sad." Downloads tinder
Ok. THAT made me laugh lol
Guess he didn't like his wife.....
He can't be wrong. I don't think it matters if it effects him. He just can't be wrong.
It's a cult.
People being ok with their own lives being uprooted for someone who should mean absolutely nothing to them is insane.
Tell Comrade Stalin that a terrible mistake has occurred
"If only the Führer knew"
That's what happens when you don't actually love your spouse because she's just a tool for sex, housework, and children. He will probably start checking out her replacement when the house starts to smell.
Do you know who throws people into prison just for wearing a hat?
Do you know who dehumanizes their enemies to justify jailing them and worse?
Do you know what the paradox of tolerance is?
Is that the one where if you don't like someone's political hat you can throw them in prison as long as you've decided they are a Nazi first? Since they are inhuman, no crime or trial is necessary.
The cookie monster?
Sure, at first glance, that sounds like he's strongly committed, but I don't see anything in the article about him buying those $250 bottles of Trump cologne. And that's before we talk about how much Trump memecoin he's purchased. A $50 MAGA hat is just entry tier, and you can find a wife any old place.
Good, it would be hypocritical to only hold a view until it effects you
"Ah, yes, everything is working according to my plan."
At least the vacuum between Arthu's ears is still working. The loser must despise his wife.
Dude's got a side piece.
or wanting to get rid of his wife.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Report him to CPS so those kids get a shot at foster care.
If your gonna be dumb you gotta be maga, when you get knocked down you better blame the libs.
Dudes been playing the long game the entire time.
Easiest divorce ever!
Hell, he's gonna "support" 'em even after he's been disappeared.
Well, you are obviously a fucking idiot.
A new kind of quickie divorce.
CPS needs to take his kids. He is clearly deranged.
But, you see, there are bad Iranians, whereas they are good Iranians. Perhaps dancing a little more for his master will get this fool his wife back.
Eh, fuck this whole family. Hope she likes El Salvador.
Why? What is the point of this comment or wishing bad things on these children, or this woman? Why support this behavior of targeting immigrants at all?
I'm tired so I'll just say this...
Have the day you voted for. Fuck them and their families. They did this to other families while they didn't care, now we don't care about them.
FUCK THEM.
Correct - I should have just said the husband and wife. I'll save my sympathy for people who didn't vote for or support this. I don't at all support the behavior or targeting of immigrants, but I'maxing out on outrage, and can't say the ones enabling and celebrating it rank high in my ability to care what becomes of them.