Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.
Yeah the whole E for effort thing isn't going to get them far. I just left. I don't think many people are leaving Lemmy at this point, but courting different instances is a wonderful thing for the strength of the system. I am strongly in the camp that there needs to be a universal tool for account migration though. This is getting tedious.
For the record I never wanted to create an account on lemmy.world, but I ultimately did so because other instances including lemmy.ml were not operational when a mass of users moved on from reddit so I just settled for this one.
The fediverse needs to address this without making it the users problem, not my fault shit don’t work, I’m just here for memes and all the porn 😎
Edit: Lemmy didn’t have to recreate reddits shit formatting either
I don't recall what movie, but it did really bad at the box office and of course they blamed piracy. Until somebody got a hold of the statistics and showed it was one of the least pirated movie releases ever.
Actions are only supposed to have consequences the POORS, dammit! How many politicians or social media platforms do I need to buy to make criticism of my heinous deeds illegal??
Imma get downvoted for this, but for some reason I care even less than I did on Reddit, which I didn't think was possible...
Anyway, do you honestly think that if piracy actually caused significant profit loss it would affect the billionaires or anyone else in the "investor class"?
Of course not. They're going to use the ahem "loss" to justify lower wages.
I'm not saying don't pirate. I'm just saying you don't get to pretend like you're just hurting the class that gets to decide where the loss gets shunted. That's a wildly naïve view of how the world works. You can't fuck over the billionaires that way. They have too much power to let you.
@erogenouswarzone@s20 oh right, because that wasn't the case with movies like Transformers (again GM) or Superman and Marlboro being conspicuously visible throughout the movie, or ET when Reese's pieces paid to be a central part of the movie
Sean, I didn't mean to offend you or insinuate that I didn't like Barbie. I have a daughter, and watched it with her and watch the dreamhouse show with her on Netflix all the time. I actually really liked the movie - except the long boring parts where they tried to justify Barbie's existence in our modern society.
Yes, those movies also have heavy product placements, but it doesn't somehow excuse all other movies from having them, if that is your point.
My point is that piracy has already impacted our lives. The commercials in movies are the evidence. Further piracy will cause either more ads in media or less content that targets the demographic of people that pirate (ie 18-35 yo men probably).
@erogenouswarzone piracy isn't the reason why there's product placement was my point, since it occurred from the start of Public Relations and the practice of earned media and payola. Eliminating piracy wouldn't affect product placement, and claiming so sounds like those ignoramuses who say if minimum wage is increased that jobs would be automated away - min wage has remained the same for over a decade and jobs are being automated anyway, jobs will be eliminated regardless of min wage laws
@erogenouswarzone similar to product placement, it's not done by production companies because piracy is occurring, it's down regardless of the state of piracy to maximize profits. Labor scarcity goes away when wages reflect the demand and profit maximization is disregarded; movies disregarding profit maximization would then not have product placement and it's not a function of piracy, that's just the scapegoat for things to take place of the profit maximization. Profit motive≠profit maximization
Yeah, because pirates never steal from indie developers and act like assholes if those developers ask not to do it. Those damn parasites asking to be paid for work, gee.
Oh yeah cause there are as many people who pirate 20$ well developed games as there are people who pirate a ≥60$ triple A game that has about the same quality as the shits i take
Okay, lets see some critically aclaimed indie game(undertale), as indie game undoubtly deserving to be bought, and compare it to AAA game series released the same year which deserves to be pirated, according to community. I will use call of duty because its the type of game series i see often said to be the reason to pirate by thiefs: AAA, high price, every year title, shitty studio.
I use very popular local torrent website, as i dont want to search what is the current most used worldwide website for it, and if it tracks number of downloads.
Undertale(2015)-51k downloads.
CoD black ops 3(2015)-54k downloads.
So now answer me, why? Is undertale the same quality shit as call of duty? Or is it even worse considering that it is way less popular, so in corelation of pirated copes divided by copies bought, more people prefered to buy CoD?
Because CoD Black Ops requires internet in order to access most of the content, such as multiplayer. Undertale does not. You got any other, more relevant examples?
There are following possiblities one would need to account for:
• you said you're using a popular local torrent site, depending on where you live interest for fallout and undertale may vary strongly. (Maybe undertale is way more popular than fallout where you live. Or vice versa)
• There is also the possibility of outliers. Be it for that particular site or all sites worldwide.
• Also the sample size is pretty small with 2 games, for an accurate statistic one would need to increase sample size. Better yet use multiple different sample sizes (i.e. one where AAA and indie games are the same popularity, one where AAA is less popular etc.)
• And at last you also could've just lied as i have not received proof that these numbers are real.
Now im not saying that the possibilities are the case, just that it may be.
If you want you can do a research accounting for these possibilities (and maybe even more) but i think this would be a bit much for a comment section under a meme.
I would've linked website if it wouldnt get me banned. Idk, maybe i can link it in pm, not sure if there are rules against it.
Regarding outliers/variation/sample:are you saying that if i would do the same experiment i wouldnt see the same picture for other critically aclamed titles (idk, celeste, StS, etc.)?
Its just funny that pirates keep saying that they steal games to stick out to greedy companies and to punish them for making bad games. Yet when you point out that they steal good indie games just as much (or even more if you take into account overall sales of those games) all you get is insults.
Whats funny is sometimes its used as a test drive. Baulders gate as a new one I know had a decent amount of pirating, and then many forms are talking about how they loved it and then bought a copy.
I remember a few months ago some comics creators were complaining about the various Russian pirate sites for books out there and people were trying to call them classist due to the fact not everyone can afford a comic. Most comic creators are not Hollywood billionaires, they're artists living on the breadline in a lot of cases. By all means pirate of you want to buy people making it out to be moral or honourable wind me up.
Yep. Im ok with people pirating stuff. There is different shit happening in live. Just steal what you need and move on without making it bigger than it needs to be.
But acting like you isnt leeching of others people work, like you are doing a honourable thing and the only ones against it are greedy corporations is fucking cringe. And then there is also people who make it into their personality lol.
That's the thing, everything needs to be a community these days, some people can't just download a torrent now and then and get on with it, they have to start a "community" about it. I've noticed shoplifting is similar these days too.
Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don't mind it but it's definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I've noticed a lot more "normie" content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Piracy not appealing to the everyman? With the relentless rise in the cost of living and with streaming services increasing costs and cracking down on password sharing, I don't see many people turning up their nose at piracy these days.
I'm okay with that, people generally not inclined to pirate must not visit a pirated sub, by choice or by accident. They may get culture shock and mistake perfectly legal conversations for other things and make a false report.
Those who want to pirate generally knows how to search for communities for piracy. No matter who's blocking who, they'll eventually find what they want. The block will act as a filter of some sorts.
Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.
Yeah, I'm fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of "jailbait."
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there's something I want to find I'll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I'm not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don't manage the server and I'm not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what's right and legal.
Why don't you just block the communities yourself?
You have the ability to do that, but instead you're demanding that the instance admins take the choice away from you?
This is some nanny state shit. It's like saying "I don't want to see morally qiestionable things like drag shows, the government should ban them!" Like just block it and don't fucking go there if you don't want to see it. Don't advocate for taking the choice away from everyone.
i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.
i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc
Hosting is the legal issue. Linking to illegal content that somebody else is hosting is much harder to tackle legally, which is why isohunt was around for so long despite being based in the US. IIRC they shut down not because they lost any lawsuits but because they just couldn't afford the legal battle.
Most people will not put their time and energy into running an instance which is destined to become a fascist playground with policies like those. You might not like it but in this real world that we are all forced to live in, that is what those policies lead to.
You can discuss and promote piracy, but lemmy.world is the biggest instance so hosting links up pirated content will get them shut down. The post is 100% right, just make multiple accounts. You want the illegal stuff distributed. What's great about Lemmy is you can still have other accounts on those networks.
The primary purpose of the defederation mechanism is not to block content from readers, it's to prevent brigades. A big problem on Reddit is vote manipulation (not to mention shit stirrers showing up uninvited). On Reddit some mods would just ban everyone who ever posted in a subreddit (like T_D), defederation is essentially the same thing.
Live in someone's house, then follow their rules. Otherwise buy your own house or find another house.
That's what I associate lemmy instances with. Anyways I'm glad that we are free to choose where we maintain our accounts. Unlike reddit wher we cannot even move in order to change the environment, cause it's all under one management.
Hot take: .world and others banning/blocking /c/ is better for the fediverse and for piracy. It means less eyes on piracy discussions and incentivizes users to spread out to other instances instead of just all using .world.
Fantastic take. Imagine a conglomerate of smaller instances that largely make no waves and allow 70% of the community to just see what they want. Dare to dream.
The lemmy.world admins blocked a bunch of piracy communities from federating with their instance seemingly out of nowhere: no legal threats, no DMCA notices, no apparent consequences if they don't.
Can literally have the spores shipped to your door for shockingly cheap so long as you press the "I pwomise not to do what the link you have here says cuz that leads to mushies" box
Welp, I guess that's it for me, I'm not looking to have my hand held while I access information. I can decide for myself what is and is not acceptable on my feed. Maybe .world is just feeling the crunch and they need to thin out the numbers? It's a shame either way.
But that's why federation is great. If you don't like how one instance handles stuff you can move to any other instance that suits you or even host your own.
They just don't have the money to pay the lawyers that you need if you want to host that kind of content without shutting the whole thing down to move it on occasion.
It's not because they want to nanny you, it's because they can't afford the legal fees.
This is going to be a problem for any instance that gets big enough to be noticed by copyright holders or law enforcement. The legal issues will start to pile up.
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
While I agree with you, I'd really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don't want my instance from defederating from much, but I'd like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol
If an instance is merely blocked, does that mean all content produced by that instance, or by a Lemmy.World user using that instance, is strictly not stored on Lemmy.World servers?
Otherwise there might still be liability. Also, in the US you don't even have to do anything illegal to be the target of a lawsuit—distancing from piracy is a practical defense against the cost of legal proceedings, even if it's technically legal.
If someone's email domain is @ihateminorities.com, I'd say that's pretty fair grounds for blocking it.
There are some instances that actively promote hateful or extremist content, and exist for the purpose of hosting it. There are others that do not actively support that content but do allow it, anywhere, making blocking one community not enough. Defederation is an important tool and should be used wisely.
Dude, just make multiple accounts. Don't use one account for everything or you'll associate personally identifiable information with your piracy account.
Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.
Not exactly what you asked for but since you seem to care about it, you can use https://fba.ryona.agency/ to see what instances are blocked by what instances and vice versa. Here are the instances LW blocks for example.
I'm trying to get Lemmings.world more popular, so feel free to join! It's well maintained, planned to be running long-term and each defederation is carefully considered. So far only instances that pretty much exist to harass other people have been blocked. Until some lawyer officially contacts me about removing piracy, I don't plan on doing so.
i'm not sure how any of this is supposed to work or if as a user i am supposed to care.
i've budgeted next month to pay the maintainer of the thingy that i am thingy-ing and hopefully on a monthly basis. but is the end game for users to run their own instances ?
It's the same as hosting your own email server. Yes it's "best practice" to host your own, but there's updates, bug workarounds, certificates, etc etc that makes it easier to use someone else's server. In the end it's a personal choice.
Or use multiple accounts on different instances that represent your different interests. Like maybe you have a "news & shitposting" account, and another "programming and piracy" one, etc. And ensure each account is on an instance that supports the necessary federations to support that.
That's a pretty common mindset amongst small instance runners I think, including the one I'm on. Only caveat, this instance doesn't allow NSFW posting (viewing is fine), and has a pretty vague ban policy lmao
On any instance, you can just scroll down to the bottom of the page, there should be a Instances link on the right side of it, along side Modlog, Docs, Code...
Defederation because of harassment seems excessive, surely one can just mute a user? Not sure if I'd be comfortable with your defedation policy. It's one thing to defederate from definitely-illegal-content like CSAM, it's another thing to defederate because feelings were hurt.
Yeah, but if you were to advertise your instance, this is probably something I'd put as a selling point, rather than have some racist person sign up to your instance only to get banned a couple days later.
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
Speed, quality, safety, and seed status are the main benefits IMO. The downsides are you have to keep a good ratio or at least not hit and run.
Back when I used public sites I remember most torrents being slow, in private sites many people use a seed box so even if there are only a couple seeds it's usually still blazing fast. Since uploaders in private sites have some reputation to upkeep, their releases will usually be quality. I also feel completely safe downloading something with only a couple seeds on private sites, but on public sites I worry if I'm downloading a virus if there are no comments and very few seeds.
The private sites are also usually not big enough for anyone to care about, so the chances of them being taken down or targeted are minimal.
I have also not gotten one ISP warning since moving over to private sites years ago, and that's even with not using a VPN
Yeah, it makes very little sense to "play the long game" on a private site to spread malware to a small user base when you could just go to any public tracker where it's the Wild West. Could someone do it? Sure, but it's really not realistic to expect that regularly.
They say they provide curation of content, keep out lawyers and provide an incentive to seed.
In practice none of these are provided.
What they really are, are entities who sell access to copyright infringement material.
They discourage network effect free sharing. They discourage posting content with investors rules and they impede seeding by creating a zero sum economy where nobody wants to download anything unless they really have to because you won't be able too seed your ratio back to 1 as everybody tries to seed and nobody disappears.
It leads to the ridiculous practice of downloading whatever gets posted on the RSS feed, just so you can seed it to other people who blind download stuff just to seed it. Basically a pump and dump scheme where someone always end up holding the bag.
All this to motivate people to buy their ratio back. I've seen one recent case they were charging 20$ to free leech 80gb.
In other words private trackers are shit, kill private trackers with DHT
Some of them have freeleech on some torrents. TorrentLeech has freeleech on every torrent over a certain size (I think 15 GB) + Box Sets of any size and then you just have to seed for 10 days total, then you can stop without penalty to your ratio. I have never paid money to TorrentLeech for access. I suppose this would change quickly if I was downloading individual episodes of a new show or 10 to 14.99 GB torrents, but that's not my usual usage pattern.
I will say that some of your criticism is correct. I will often avoid using the private tracker to avoid having to seed for 10 days. I can't get to a 1.0 ratio on private trackers, but I can on public ones, but freeleech seeding adds to my ratio with no penalty for downloading. The zero-sum vibe is both real and off-putting.
I currently have a ratio surplus of 34 GB, and it started me with 25 GB. The benefit is if I really want something, it's easy to access
I've never had an experience like that on private trackers. Of the three I've used recently, one has no ratio tracking and just a "gentlemen's agreement" that you seed back. One tracks ratio but doesn't care about it, they only care that you seed back for X hours during a two week period or something like that, and the last one does track ratio, but you also get points for just seeding content even if nobody downloads from you, and you can use those points to get upload credit. None require a 1:1 ratio on anything.
I've never had problems keeping a good ratio on any of these sites, I just let them seed from my media server until I decide to delete them. I even use a fairly small upload bandwidth since my service provider only gives me like 10Mbps upload.
I was invited to a private tracker by a friend who swore by them as having way more stability and more people seeding. Turns out, even after interviewing, I was never able to connect to a single torrent. Went back to public and never looked back.
I know that is what broke the camels back for me, not that I personally partake in piracy but, it concerns me because if that is being done, what else could be being done. I understand the legal ramifications of the storage of it but, idk it just put a bad taste in my mouth, it was the first instance of censorship that didn't make full sense and was made due to a random account that was downvoted to oblivion, was super concerning. I still have an account on it but, it made me aware I needed more variety
Yeah, seems one of the big blacklist services (not sure which one my work uses) has picked up a bunch of Lemmy instances. Lemmy world was one of the few I could get on.
Looking to leave though due to stability issues and now already dodging piracy stuff when it's pretty banal right now with Lemmy still being really tiny just seems like world is setting a generic tone early and is not going to be a progressive instance when it might matter. With regards to load sharing. Horseshit on that one. If Lemmy is still such a fragile little prop plane that we are supposed to be shifting our weight on different sides of the aisle to keep in flight, it's already doomed.
Is there an official blocked communities list and defederated list for each instance? Also can you have the same username on a different instance? I fear we are going to lose people who don't really care that much about the federation stuff and just want to use Lemmy like reddit. Although I guess reddit is similar in that they decide what communities are allowed as well...
As an alternative to lemmy.world I would like to suggest my own instance endlesstalk.org.
I have no plans to deferate or ban anything releated to piracy. Only thing that might change my mind would probably be a company taking legal action against me.
I also strive to have as little downtime as possible and keep everything running smoothly.
only time would prove that ur instance would be reliable.
also ur instance won't be an exception: when corps deem that u hav a high enough usercount instance that is making piracy content accessible among users, they wouldn't hesitate to threat u legally, so federation with pirate instances shouldn't be a selling point, unless u have an unlimited stock of money to hire a lawyering firm.. still, i would gladly vouch for ur instance. We Lemmy as a whole can't do much against corp action: they have the financial means to afford legal action, or run unlimited ddos attacks for days, bringing Lemmy basically to its knees, we need to learn how to tread through this, instead of acting like tough guys.
Also hope more people come out and advertize their instance and vowing that they u would maintain it as humanly possible, cause i am running out of recommendations honestly
If your offering boils down to "the same that lemmy.world is offering" (other than with potentially better uptime lol,) then it's not that great an offering as you make it to be.
Lemmy.world does a great job(with a little downtime) and it is the same software we are hosting, so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better "offering"
Better uptime as you mentioned
Different deferation/moderation policy.
Visual customizations(eg. different theme)
I try to provide a better uptime and a different deferation/moderation policy. I don't have the skills to make visual customizations, but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
I'm open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the "offering".
so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better “offering”
(2.) mostly covers pretty much anyone one would want to do, offer-wise. It's also the aspect that's currently the most distinguishable across the instances marketplace. But the issue is, it's one thing to say that you are going to offer a different defederation / moderation policy ("we're going to allow piracy", for example) and another thing is sticking to it (", unless some legal threat"). If what you are saying is "I'm not gonna block piracy until it's somehow inconvenient for me", not only is that the same flat offering most of everyone else is making, but it's also a nebulous offering because it tells a new user nothing useful and offers no commitments: When is that "inconvenient" gonna be? What is the measure for "inconvenient"? What's gonna happen then? How will we know? (no, suddenly finding that the instance you had an account on now redirects to the FBI is not good enough).
I’m open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the “offering”.
Add more qualifications to your offering, such as:
Are you going to close upon any legal threat, or only upon a certain degree or size of threat?
From the US only, or from any country?
Will you close instantly, or will you guarantee a Minimum Survivability Timeframe for eg.: helping users to migrate away, like Mastodon's covenant does?
but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
If you add the JS-less frontends, you, like others who are doing it, are doing Yahweh / Arceus / Allah / Amaterasu 's work.
Thank you for clarifying(and sorry for the late answer).
For you (and anyone interested) I will answer the questions you asked.
Are you going to close upon any legal threat, or only upon a certain degree or size of threat?
If the legal threat is real(they have a real chance to win in a court) and there is nothing I could do(come to an agreement, move the hosting to another server etc), then I would close the server.
From the US only, or from any country?
Server is hosted in Germany
Will you close instantly, or will you guarantee a Minimum Survivability Timeframe for eg.: helping users to migrate away, like Mastodon’s covenant does?
As long as there aren't fines for keeping the website up or I get arrested, I would give a notice, so users can move to another server.
Honest question, is there an app or frontpage that would allow to mix instances that are not federated?
Unless an instance has access to everything, having two accounts will show a lot of duplicated contentent (for example, in "all" it will show [email protected] in likely all instances)
It would be simpler just to pick an instance that to date refuses to defederate from anyone. I use SDF, and I picked it in part for that reason.
I also don't think they're going anywhere, since SDF has been around continuously since the 80s (literally started as an anime BBS) and still runs a lot of services that would seem unusual to care about these days (including having a gopher server), so I figure their Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Matrix, etc instances aren't going anywhere.
It would but then that bath water comes with the baby.
I can get people talking about piracy but it comes with Russian propaganda, Hitler love, fat shaming and homophobia.
It would be kind of cool to have a client where your communities come from specific instances where you want them. If an instance goes down have it pick a backup instance and pull the community from there. Of course it would require separate accounts in separate communities with separate subs on each instance, making each user weigh many times there normal cost for lemmy operation.
There's always self-hosting, but it has its own discovery pitfalls. When you'd like a pie hole and public rated block lists where you can tell it what you do and don't want to see
Sh.itjust.works seems to be an instance that is pretty good about being chill with stuff while also blocking the really bad instances,it's also super stable. They've had 2? Outages maybe 3, compared to lemmy.world's endless ones.
You can always choose what you subscribe to and use the subscribed feed, or alternately just block communities that offend you as you encounter them, depending on how tightly curated an experience you want to have. I honestly feel like the only thing that needs is the ability to use wildcards in blocked community names to let you block a bunch of related communities quickly.
Same here. Not because I'm a pirate, but because lemmy.world has been trigger happy with blocking instances /communities.
I did not leave reddit to be a part of even bigger shit show. So here's hoping the fediverse works out.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I could see World being a safe place to create big mainstream communities, and maybe remain a good starting point for people joining the fediverse.
I'd love a safe mainstream place based on mutual respect and healthy discussions of different viewpoints. Lemmy.world will not be that place if they continue their course. Defeterating pre-emptively (like hexbear) or banning community for discussing pirating (mind you, talking about pirating is not illegal and the community hosted no pirated content) is only a way of creating the Stepford Wifes community.
Sucks for us interested in it but It's completely understandable. Making an account on another instance and transferring your data takes no time at all, which is exactly what I did.
Transferring the communities you subscribed or blocked to your new account. I used lasim, just downloaded the info from my old account and uploaded it to my new one. Only took a few seconds to do.
I thought about using this but bro, I'm not installing a desktop piece of software for this nonsense.
That's my problem. When people say "just switch instances, it's why the fediverse exists" did they ever stop to think that it's a pain in the ass? Or that there's going to be significantly fewer communities and users on other instances?
I am not finding my same communities outside of lemmy world due to the overall lower usage of lemmy. So we're faced with switching instances to "fight the good cause" and have no content, or stay at Lemmy World.
Not everyone here is a ln Uber tech nerd that has all the time in the day to fuck around with this stupid site.
If you join an instance that isn't defederated with lemmy.world, you should have access to all of the same communities and comments that you'd see there. That's kind of the entire idea.
For example, I'm viewing this post and these comments from sh.itjust.works. I had to go back to the top of this post to see that it originated from lenmy.ml
And this ties into people asking for things like "is there a way to LIST what communities an instance has?" On an app by app basis, because as the other user said - this whole "we're in this together" thing with the federation idea isn't really clicking.
I've begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.
When I looked at that site to see what everyone is talking about, it looked dead with most posts having no comments. Am I missing something? Doesn't really seem like a threat to Lemmy.
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
I know, right? How dare they stop us from stealing movies and computer games!
100% understand why Lemmy World did this. Piracy opens the floodgates for legal trouble and is largely the reason why the piracy community over on Reddit is probably one of the most sanitized, locked-down and censored parts of the site.
Would you want a non-profit being sued to oblivion because somebody posted torrent links?
Ok, I'm not sure if you're for real, but I have a feeling you're one of the dudes with the writers/actors strike and I have to say that as someone who hates barriers to knowledge I also respect your struggle to keep doing what you love. I just feel like studios are getting too greedy on both ends in an attempt to prop up unsustainable profit margins, thus making it hard to afford services and hard to live on the wages they pay.
/rant
That said, scientific paper publishers are another beast and the worst offenders (e.g. see a paper related to climate change for 48 hours, 40$) many researchers don't get paid to write the paper or even pay to have it published, only to see it paywalled, so nobody will even read it legally, so they can oversharge universities. /rant off
I can't, can't afford to go to college or watch films or read plays to become a better director, programmer, writer. Maybe I'm unemployed too :( fuck me, right?
Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.
It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down...
It's not going down from normal user load.
If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.
If you're on that instance they make pinned posts pretty frequently where they explain all that...
Do you want them to call everyone individually and let them know?
Yeah the whole E for effort thing isn't going to get them far. I just left. I don't think many people are leaving Lemmy at this point, but courting different instances is a wonderful thing for the strength of the system. I am strongly in the camp that there needs to be a universal tool for account migration though. This is getting tedious.
citation needed
For the record I never wanted to create an account on lemmy.world, but I ultimately did so because other instances including lemmy.ml were not operational when a mass of users moved on from reddit so I just settled for this one.
The fediverse needs to address this without making it the users problem, not my fault shit don’t work, I’m just here for memes and all the porn 😎
Edit: Lemmy didn’t have to recreate reddits shit formatting either
You joined way after me. You just didn't look around enough.
Cool, tell me more about my experience since you seem to be an expert
Sorry if I came off wrong. Maybe it's because lemmy.world never worked for me but I found many instances in that time.
Have a good day/night
I don't recall what movie, but it did really bad at the box office and of course they blamed piracy. Until somebody got a hold of the statistics and showed it was one of the least pirated movie releases ever.
I'm getting just as much mileage out of this as I thought I would when I made it
Actions are only supposed to have consequences the POORS, dammit! How many politicians or social media platforms do I need to buy to make criticism of my heinous deeds illegal??
I do think about them, makes it more fun.
I feel like a billionaire too with access to anything anytime
Imma get downvoted for this, but for some reason I care even less than I did on Reddit, which I didn't think was possible...
Anyway, do you honestly think that if piracy actually caused significant profit loss it would affect the billionaires or anyone else in the "investor class"?
Of course not. They're going to use the ahem "loss" to justify lower wages.
I'm not saying don't pirate. I'm just saying you don't get to pretend like you're just hurting the class that gets to decide where the loss gets shunted. That's a wildly naïve view of how the world works. You can't fuck over the billionaires that way. They have too much power to let you.
Or they'll start injecting ads directly into the media.
Oh wait, they're already doing this. I forgot about the 45 minute Chevy ad in Barbie.
@erogenouswarzone @s20 oh right, because that wasn't the case with movies like Transformers (again GM) or Superman and Marlboro being conspicuously visible throughout the movie, or ET when Reese's pieces paid to be a central part of the movie
Sean, I didn't mean to offend you or insinuate that I didn't like Barbie. I have a daughter, and watched it with her and watch the dreamhouse show with her on Netflix all the time. I actually really liked the movie - except the long boring parts where they tried to justify Barbie's existence in our modern society.
Yes, those movies also have heavy product placements, but it doesn't somehow excuse all other movies from having them, if that is your point.
My point is that piracy has already impacted our lives. The commercials in movies are the evidence. Further piracy will cause either more ads in media or less content that targets the demographic of people that pirate (ie 18-35 yo men probably).
@erogenouswarzone piracy isn't the reason why there's product placement was my point, since it occurred from the start of Public Relations and the practice of earned media and payola. Eliminating piracy wouldn't affect product placement, and claiming so sounds like those ignoramuses who say if minimum wage is increased that jobs would be automated away - min wage has remained the same for over a decade and jobs are being automated anyway, jobs will be eliminated regardless of min wage laws
@erogenouswarzone similar to product placement, it's not done by production companies because piracy is occurring, it's down regardless of the state of piracy to maximize profits. Labor scarcity goes away when wages reflect the demand and profit maximization is disregarded; movies disregarding profit maximization would then not have product placement and it's not a function of piracy, that's just the scapegoat for things to take place of the profit maximization. Profit motive≠profit maximization
Yeah, people who tried to free slaves and let women vote were also committing crimes.
Yeah, because pirates never steal from indie developers and act like assholes if those developers ask not to do it. Those damn parasites asking to be paid for work, gee.
Oh yeah cause there are as many people who pirate 20$ well developed games as there are people who pirate a ≥60$ triple A game that has about the same quality as the shits i take
Okay, lets see some critically aclaimed indie game(undertale), as indie game undoubtly deserving to be bought, and compare it to AAA game series released the same year which deserves to be pirated, according to community. I will use call of duty because its the type of game series i see often said to be the reason to pirate by thiefs: AAA, high price, every year title, shitty studio.
I use very popular local torrent website, as i dont want to search what is the current most used worldwide website for it, and if it tracks number of downloads.
Undertale(2015)-51k downloads.
CoD black ops 3(2015)-54k downloads.
So now answer me, why? Is undertale the same quality shit as call of duty? Or is it even worse considering that it is way less popular, so in corelation of pirated copes divided by copies bought, more people prefered to buy CoD?
Because CoD Black Ops requires internet in order to access most of the content, such as multiplayer. Undertale does not. You got any other, more relevant examples?
Okay, fallout 4-45k.
64k if you count the second torrent on the list separatelly (undertale would be 67k in that case).
The most cockeyed comparison ever…
Still better than your argument, or rather, lack of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Because most people play cod for the multiplayer wich wouldn't work on a pirated version.
Undertale is a single player game wich doesn't lose features because you pirated it.
Another answered the same, so i got an example of fallout 4 with 45k downloads
There are following possiblities one would need to account for:
• you said you're using a popular local torrent site, depending on where you live interest for fallout and undertale may vary strongly. (Maybe undertale is way more popular than fallout where you live. Or vice versa)
• There is also the possibility of outliers. Be it for that particular site or all sites worldwide.
• Also the sample size is pretty small with 2 games, for an accurate statistic one would need to increase sample size. Better yet use multiple different sample sizes (i.e. one where AAA and indie games are the same popularity, one where AAA is less popular etc.)
• And at last you also could've just lied as i have not received proof that these numbers are real.
Now im not saying that the possibilities are the case, just that it may be.
If you want you can do a research accounting for these possibilities (and maybe even more) but i think this would be a bit much for a comment section under a meme.
I would've linked website if it wouldnt get me banned. Idk, maybe i can link it in pm, not sure if there are rules against it.
Regarding outliers/variation/sample:are you saying that if i would do the same experiment i wouldnt see the same picture for other critically aclamed titles (idk, celeste, StS, etc.)?
Its just funny that pirates keep saying that they steal games to stick out to greedy companies and to punish them for making bad games. Yet when you point out that they steal good indie games just as much (or even more if you take into account overall sales of those games) all you get is insults.
Whats funny is sometimes its used as a test drive. Baulders gate as a new one I know had a decent amount of pirating, and then many forms are talking about how they loved it and then bought a copy.
I remember a few months ago some comics creators were complaining about the various Russian pirate sites for books out there and people were trying to call them classist due to the fact not everyone can afford a comic. Most comic creators are not Hollywood billionaires, they're artists living on the breadline in a lot of cases. By all means pirate of you want to buy people making it out to be moral or honourable wind me up.
Yep. Im ok with people pirating stuff. There is different shit happening in live. Just steal what you need and move on without making it bigger than it needs to be.
But acting like you isnt leeching of others people work, like you are doing a honourable thing and the only ones against it are greedy corporations is fucking cringe. And then there is also people who make it into their personality lol.
That's the thing, everything needs to be a community these days, some people can't just download a torrent now and then and get on with it, they have to start a "community" about it. I've noticed shoplifting is similar these days too.
Now I absolutely need to see this shoplifting community. Please post a link.
I don't know how to copy a link to a community in Jerboa, but one is under [email protected]
Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don't mind it but it's definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I've noticed a lot more "normie" content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Piracy not appealing to the everyman? With the relentless rise in the cost of living and with streaming services increasing costs and cracking down on password sharing, I don't see many people turning up their nose at piracy these days.
It makes it look like scary hackerman place
I'm okay with that, people generally not inclined to pirate must not visit a pirated sub, by choice or by accident. They may get culture shock and mistake perfectly legal conversations for other things and make a false report.
Those who want to pirate generally knows how to search for communities for piracy. No matter who's blocking who, they'll eventually find what they want. The block will act as a filter of some sorts.
If that keeps the normies out then it's a win.
I put quotes around it to imply I was using the term sarcastically because people who use it in earnest look like elitist douchebags.
Ah, you got me
Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.
Yeah, I'm fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of "jailbait."
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there's something I want to find I'll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I'm not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don't manage the server and I'm not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what's right and legal.
Why don't you just block the communities yourself?
You have the ability to do that, but instead you're demanding that the instance admins take the choice away from you?
This is some nanny state shit. It's like saying "I don't want to see morally qiestionable things like drag shows, the government should ban them!" Like just block it and don't fucking go there if you don't want to see it. Don't advocate for taking the choice away from everyone.
if you draw the line at piracy on the internet, you're gunna have a real shit platform.
i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.
i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc
We're gonna need a Lemmy client that can log into multiple accounts at the same time and display a combined feed of allof those accounts...
Liftoff has been doing that for A while
Thanks for the rec, I had no idea
Now we need one that does that and is available on FDroid.
Liftoff is fantastic for that
The big issue with that. Is where the host instance is located.
If Lennyworld is located somewhere piracy will get them shut down. Federatng a pirate instance is a bad idea.
Hosting is the legal issue. Linking to illegal content that somebody else is hosting is much harder to tackle legally, which is why isohunt was around for so long despite being based in the US. IIRC they shut down not because they lost any lawsuits but because they just couldn't afford the legal battle.
Exactly, and Lenny world's pockets are tiny probably
So long as major instances continue to rely on blacklists rather than whitelists, that won't be a problem for the hundreds of small instances.
Most people will not put their time and energy into running an instance which is destined to become a fascist playground with policies like those. You might not like it but in this real world that we are all forced to live in, that is what those policies lead to.
You can discuss and promote piracy, but lemmy.world is the biggest instance so hosting links up pirated content will get them shut down. The post is 100% right, just make multiple accounts. You want the illegal stuff distributed. What's great about Lemmy is you can still have other accounts on those networks.
The primary purpose of the defederation mechanism is not to block content from readers, it's to prevent brigades. A big problem on Reddit is vote manipulation (not to mention shit stirrers showing up uninvited). On Reddit some mods would just ban everyone who ever posted in a subreddit (like T_D), defederation is essentially the same thing.
It's for the person paying for the hosting and maintaining the server to decide what they want their server to do
Either way you call it, it's someone else deciding for me
No it isn't. You've got the whole Fediverse to choose from. That's the whole fucking point.
If you want every single decision to go your way, run your own instance. Otherwise, quit moaning and find an instance that suits you.
Live in someone's house, then follow their rules. Otherwise buy your own house or find another house.
That's what I associate lemmy instances with. Anyways I'm glad that we are free to choose where we maintain our accounts. Unlike reddit wher we cannot even move in order to change the environment, cause it's all under one management.
Hot take: .world and others banning/blocking /c/ is better for the fediverse and for piracy. It means less eyes on piracy discussions and incentivizes users to spread out to other instances instead of just all using .world.
Fantastic take. Imagine a conglomerate of smaller instances that largely make no waves and allow 70% of the community to just see what they want. Dare to dream.
It's a great take and I hope they do continue to ban/block more controversial topics so people spread out more.
I think lemmy.world is about to be rudely made aware of how many pirates were on their site.
Might help lighten their load.
If there is one thing a pirate is good at, it's lightening other's loads!
Yarr, I'll be walking the plank myself matey!
yeah, probably make it more stable
They're not making any money from this anyway
I feel like I missed something, what happened?
The lemmy.world admins blocked a bunch of piracy communities from federating with their instance seemingly out of nowhere: no legal threats, no DMCA notices, no apparent consequences if they don't.
Uh, weird they didn’t say anything considering they’re relatively open about their moderation. Guess I’ll just grab some popcorn and wait.
They said something on discord apparently.
Ah yes, my favorite open platform for mass announcements lol
Oh, yeah! That app that totally EVERYBODY uses even though it’s really garbage for information! 🤠
Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!
Can literally have the spores shipped to your door for shockingly cheap so long as you press the "I pwomise not to do what the link you have here says cuz that leads to mushies" box
Welp, I guess that's it for me, I'm not looking to have my hand held while I access information. I can decide for myself what is and is not acceptable on my feed. Maybe .world is just feeling the crunch and they need to thin out the numbers? It's a shame either way.
But that's why federation is great. If you don't like how one instance handles stuff you can move to any other instance that suits you or even host your own.
You're absolutely right. It is very nice having options again.
They just don't have the money to pay the lawyers that you need if you want to host that kind of content without shutting the whole thing down to move it on occasion.
Same this explains why I haven't seen any shrooms posts. If I wanted to be treated like a child I'd use Reddit
It's not because they want to nanny you, it's because they can't afford the legal fees.
This is going to be a problem for any instance that gets big enough to be noticed by copyright holders or law enforcement. The legal issues will start to pile up.
That's fair, didn't consider that at the time
You can find the new community on sh.itjust.works
What's the shrooms community?
Not sure how to properly post it for everyone, but [email protected] or ![email protected]
The second one, thanks.
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
De-federation is bad.
While I agree with you, I'd really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don't want my instance from defederating from much, but I'd like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol
You would be free to do that, just as you can make filters in gmail. But the difference is who gets to make that decision.
If an instance is merely blocked, does that mean all content produced by that instance, or by a Lemmy.World user using that instance, is strictly not stored on Lemmy.World servers?
Otherwise there might still be liability. Also, in the US you don't even have to do anything illegal to be the target of a lawsuit—distancing from piracy is a practical defense against the cost of legal proceedings, even if it's technically legal.
Very good point
If someone's email domain is @ihateminorities.com, I'd say that's pretty fair grounds for blocking it.
There are some instances that actively promote hateful or extremist content, and exist for the purpose of hosting it. There are others that do not actively support that content but do allow it, anywhere, making blocking one community not enough. Defederation is an important tool and should be used wisely.
Where is the piracy? (Asking for a friend.)
Tell your friend to visit ![email protected].
thx. forwarded it. happy pirate sounds
Mach, was du willst, denn ein Pirat ist frei, du bist ein Pirat!
My friend wants to know too. He has his pirates license.
![email protected]
![email protected]
edit: *!
That's called a privateer
dbzer0
Welcome fellow pirate!
Lemmy.world blocked the dbzer0 instance? I guess it's time to switch then...
They didn't block the whole instance, just the specific piracy community.
Lol, that's fine by me, coz I'm here living in dbzer0, arrr!
Dude, just make multiple accounts. Don't use one account for everything or you'll associate personally identifiable information with your piracy account.
Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.
Not exactly what you asked for but since you seem to care about it, you can use https://fba.ryona.agency/ to see what instances are blocked by what instances and vice versa. Here are the instances LW blocks for example.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
I like kbin for the sorting algorithm and the website UI, but mostly use lw because of jerboa
I'm trying to get Lemmings.world more popular, so feel free to join! It's well maintained, planned to be running long-term and each defederation is carefully considered. So far only instances that pretty much exist to harass other people have been blocked. Until some lawyer officially contacts me about removing piracy, I don't plan on doing so.
I have created my own instance. With blackjack! And hookers, err, NSFW.
I found a cheap VPS and the easy_deploy script from git, that's how it started. And for 10 €/month I'll keep it going with a user count of 1.
Kinda expensive vps for a single person instance, is it not?
Maybe, but I'm enjoying it.
is that considered best practice ?
i'm not sure how any of this is supposed to work or if as a user i am supposed to care.
i've budgeted next month to pay the maintainer of the thingy that i am thingy-ing and hopefully on a monthly basis. but is the end game for users to run their own instances ?
It's the same as hosting your own email server. Yes it's "best practice" to host your own, but there's updates, bug workarounds, certificates, etc etc that makes it easier to use someone else's server. In the end it's a personal choice.
Like hosting your own email server, if you also copy everyone else's emails to your server for the heck of it.
The end game is to either run your own instance, or find an instance that is run by an admin with the same mindset as you might have.
Or use multiple accounts on different instances that represent your different interests. Like maybe you have a "news & shitposting" account, and another "programming and piracy" one, etc. And ensure each account is on an instance that supports the necessary federations to support that.
I found one that apparently does for me, but then that mindset is "let me see everything, and leave what I want to view up to me".
That's a pretty common mindset amongst small instance runners I think, including the one I'm on. Only caveat, this instance doesn't allow NSFW posting (viewing is fine), and has a pretty vague ban policy lmao
If you don't mind me asking: how much are you paying per month?
I would do it too if there is a way to monetize it just to pay the VPS costs.
Any Lemmy instance list which shows communities that have been defed by each instances? Should help new users make better choices.
https://fba.ryona.agency/
feedit.de offers a list of instances they have defederated.
Every instance shows that list
Yeah, but a singular place that have all this data would make it so much better.
huh, really? I couldn't find it in the side bar of lemmy.ml which is why I thought that it is something they do in particular.
Just go to {{instanceurl}}/instances. Scroll to the bottom for the defederated instances.
On any instance, you can just scroll down to the bottom of the page, there should be a Instances link on the right side of it, along side Modlog, Docs, Code...
PS: This on a browser
They all do, just add /instances after the url
That gives you who they block, but unfortunately not who they are blocked by.
Ah, I misinterpreted what they were asking for.
The only thing that makes data useful to humanity is the fact that it can be copied - not copying data is unethical.
Salut à toi dear disciple of the Kopimist church
Hmmm... most interesting. Thanks!
Context https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2181865
Ia there a list somewhere of insurances that do NOT blck piracy?
Also just a quick yes or no question: does lemmy.ml block piracy?
My instance (https://lemmings.world) doesn't block piracy (at least until I receive some letter from lawyers telling me to fuck off and delete it).
Defederation because of harassment seems excessive, surely one can just mute a user? Not sure if I'd be comfortable with your defedation policy. It's one thing to defederate from definitely-illegal-content like CSAM, it's another thing to defederate because feelings were hurt.
Well, depends on your POV. Racism is illegal where I live.
Yeah, but if you were to advertise your instance, this is probably something I'd put as a selling point, rather than have some racist person sign up to your instance only to get banned a couple days later.
It's in the rules and code of conduct.
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
I've never bothered with private trackers, what benefits do they actually provide?
Speed, quality, safety, and seed status are the main benefits IMO. The downsides are you have to keep a good ratio or at least not hit and run.
Back when I used public sites I remember most torrents being slow, in private sites many people use a seed box so even if there are only a couple seeds it's usually still blazing fast. Since uploaders in private sites have some reputation to upkeep, their releases will usually be quality. I also feel completely safe downloading something with only a couple seeds on private sites, but on public sites I worry if I'm downloading a virus if there are no comments and very few seeds.
The private sites are also usually not big enough for anyone to care about, so the chances of them being taken down or targeted are minimal.
I have also not gotten one ISP warning since moving over to private sites years ago, and that's even with not using a VPN
Yeah, it makes very little sense to "play the long game" on a private site to spread malware to a small user base when you could just go to any public tracker where it's the Wild West. Could someone do it? Sure, but it's really not realistic to expect that regularly.
None, just use a VPN and thepiratebay/nyaa/whatever else and stop being a baby
Dont use thepiratebay, jesus christ its so unsafe (for apps atleast)
I would never execute a pirated app in a non sandboxed environment, that's just silly.
Just buy games on steam like the rest of the world.
I'm talking movies and anime personally
Jesus is bungiefan_ak holding you at gunpoint or something
Who tf
I have like 600 games in my backlog between emulation and steam sales, why would I risk a keylogger snatching my bank info?
You think you're safe using a private tracker? Lol
I might trust fitgirl repacks, if I was truly broke and desperate and kept it to my gaming only partition.
i feel like you don't trust piracy because you bricked the family computer when you were 12
They say they provide curation of content, keep out lawyers and provide an incentive to seed.
In practice none of these are provided.
What they really are, are entities who sell access to copyright infringement material.
They discourage network effect free sharing. They discourage posting content with investors rules and they impede seeding by creating a zero sum economy where nobody wants to download anything unless they really have to because you won't be able too seed your ratio back to 1 as everybody tries to seed and nobody disappears.
It leads to the ridiculous practice of downloading whatever gets posted on the RSS feed, just so you can seed it to other people who blind download stuff just to seed it. Basically a pump and dump scheme where someone always end up holding the bag.
All this to motivate people to buy their ratio back. I've seen one recent case they were charging 20$ to free leech 80gb.
In other words private trackers are shit, kill private trackers with DHT
Some of them have freeleech on some torrents. TorrentLeech has freeleech on every torrent over a certain size (I think 15 GB) + Box Sets of any size and then you just have to seed for 10 days total, then you can stop without penalty to your ratio. I have never paid money to TorrentLeech for access. I suppose this would change quickly if I was downloading individual episodes of a new show or 10 to 14.99 GB torrents, but that's not my usual usage pattern.
I will say that some of your criticism is correct. I will often avoid using the private tracker to avoid having to seed for 10 days. I can't get to a 1.0 ratio on private trackers, but I can on public ones, but freeleech seeding adds to my ratio with no penalty for downloading. The zero-sum vibe is both real and off-putting.
I currently have a ratio surplus of 34 GB, and it started me with 25 GB. The benefit is if I really want something, it's easy to access
I seed 5tb per month, the limit of my seedbox. All on public trackers since if they were private torrents, the seedbox would just sit idle.
I've never had an experience like that on private trackers. Of the three I've used recently, one has no ratio tracking and just a "gentlemen's agreement" that you seed back. One tracks ratio but doesn't care about it, they only care that you seed back for X hours during a two week period or something like that, and the last one does track ratio, but you also get points for just seeding content even if nobody downloads from you, and you can use those points to get upload credit. None require a 1:1 ratio on anything.
I've never had problems keeping a good ratio on any of these sites, I just let them seed from my media server until I decide to delete them. I even use a fairly small upload bandwidth since my service provider only gives me like 10Mbps upload.
Lol, what kinds of shitty private trackers are you on?
411, ygg, bunch of others that made me jump hoops to join and then had those shitty policies. I stopped using private trackers a long time ago.
I equate private tracker with shit tracker and not worth my time nor my seedbox bandwidth.
DHT should have made trackers obsolete. We should have torrents of torrent files.
I was invited to a private tracker by a friend who swore by them as having way more stability and more people seeding. Turns out, even after interviewing, I was never able to connect to a single torrent. Went back to public and never looked back.
We just doubled our numbers somehow! Look at all these new users joining the fediverse 😅
I know that is what broke the camels back for me, not that I personally partake in piracy but, it concerns me because if that is being done, what else could be being done. I understand the legal ramifications of the storage of it but, idk it just put a bad taste in my mouth, it was the first instance of censorship that didn't make full sense and was made due to a random account that was downvoted to oblivion, was super concerning. I still have an account on it but, it made me aware I needed more variety
I joined over there because, funnily enough, that was on of the few instances not blocked by my work. 🤷
Lemmy is big enough to get blocked now?
My forum was blocked at my work, it had roughly 20 active users.
My bank’s employees can’t look at my business’s website because the url contains the string “kill”
Yeah, seems one of the big blacklist services (not sure which one my work uses) has picked up a bunch of Lemmy instances. Lemmy world was one of the few I could get on. Looking to leave though due to stability issues and now already dodging piracy stuff when it's pretty banal right now with Lemmy still being really tiny just seems like world is setting a generic tone early and is not going to be a progressive instance when it might matter. With regards to load sharing. Horseshit on that one. If Lemmy is still such a fragile little prop plane that we are supposed to be shifting our weight on different sides of the aisle to keep in flight, it's already doomed.
Is there an official blocked communities list and defederated list for each instance? Also can you have the same username on a different instance? I fear we are going to lose people who don't really care that much about the federation stuff and just want to use Lemmy like reddit. Although I guess reddit is similar in that they decide what communities are allowed as well...
Yes you can have the same username on different instances, similar to how email addresses work
Don't think there's an easy way to see blocked communities, but it's easy to see blocked instances with the instances link at the bottom of the page
Yes, "Instances" at the very bottom of the pages
As an alternative to lemmy.world I would like to suggest my own instance endlesstalk.org.
I have no plans to deferate or ban anything releated to piracy. Only thing that might change my mind would probably be a company taking legal action against me.
I also strive to have as little downtime as possible and keep everything running smoothly.
only time would prove that ur instance would be reliable.
also ur instance won't be an exception: when corps deem that u hav a high enough usercount instance that is making piracy content accessible among users, they wouldn't hesitate to threat u legally, so federation with pirate instances shouldn't be a selling point, unless u have an unlimited stock of money to hire a lawyering firm.. still, i would gladly vouch for ur instance. We Lemmy as a whole can't do much against corp action: they have the financial means to afford legal action, or run unlimited ddos attacks for days, bringing Lemmy basically to its knees, we need to learn how to tread through this, instead of acting like tough guys.
Also hope more people come out and advertize their instance and vowing that they u would maintain it as humanly possible, cause i am running out of recommendations honestly
If your offering boils down to "the same that lemmy.world is offering" (other than with potentially better uptime lol,) then it's not that great an offering as you make it to be.
Lemmy.world does a great job(with a little downtime) and it is the same software we are hosting, so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better "offering"
I try to provide a better uptime and a different deferation/moderation policy. I don't have the skills to make visual customizations, but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
I'm open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the "offering".
(2.) mostly covers pretty much anyone one would want to do, offer-wise. It's also the aspect that's currently the most distinguishable across the instances marketplace. But the issue is, it's one thing to say that you are going to offer a different defederation / moderation policy ("we're going to allow piracy", for example) and another thing is sticking to it (", unless some legal threat"). If what you are saying is "I'm not gonna block piracy until it's somehow inconvenient for me", not only is that the same flat offering most of everyone else is making, but it's also a nebulous offering because it tells a new user nothing useful and offers no commitments: When is that "inconvenient" gonna be? What is the measure for "inconvenient"? What's gonna happen then? How will we know? (no, suddenly finding that the instance you had an account on now redirects to the FBI is not good enough).
Add more qualifications to your offering, such as:
If you add the JS-less frontends, you, like others who are doing it, are doing Yahweh / Arceus / Allah / Amaterasu 's work.
Thank you for clarifying(and sorry for the late answer).
For you (and anyone interested) I will answer the questions you asked.
If the legal threat is real(they have a real chance to win in a court) and there is nothing I could do(come to an agreement, move the hosting to another server etc), then I would close the server.
Server is hosted in Germany
As long as there aren't fines for keeping the website up or I get arrested, I would give a notice, so users can move to another server.
What's the difference between instances except federation and blocked communities? It's the same content anyways.
Honest question, is there an app or frontpage that would allow to mix instances that are not federated? Unless an instance has access to everything, having two accounts will show a lot of duplicated contentent (for example, in "all" it will show [email protected] in likely all instances)
It would be simpler just to pick an instance that to date refuses to defederate from anyone. I use SDF, and I picked it in part for that reason.
I also don't think they're going anywhere, since SDF has been around continuously since the 80s (literally started as an anime BBS) and still runs a lot of services that would seem unusual to care about these days (including having a gopher server), so I figure their Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Matrix, etc instances aren't going anywhere.
It would but then that bath water comes with the baby.
I can get people talking about piracy but it comes with Russian propaganda, Hitler love, fat shaming and homophobia.
It would be kind of cool to have a client where your communities come from specific instances where you want them. If an instance goes down have it pick a backup instance and pull the community from there. Of course it would require separate accounts in separate communities with separate subs on each instance, making each user weigh many times there normal cost for lemmy operation.
There's always self-hosting, but it has its own discovery pitfalls. When you'd like a pie hole and public rated block lists where you can tell it what you do and don't want to see
Sh.itjust.works seems to be an instance that is pretty good about being chill with stuff while also blocking the really bad instances,it's also super stable. They've had 2? Outages maybe 3, compared to lemmy.world's endless ones.
You can always choose what you subscribe to and use the subscribed feed, or alternately just block communities that offend you as you encounter them, depending on how tightly curated an experience you want to have. I honestly feel like the only thing that needs is the ability to use wildcards in blocked community names to let you block a bunch of related communities quickly.
are they still federated with beehaw?
Not that I've seen, at least not cleanly. It's the dream I'm looking for.
Just made an alt account on lemm.ee
Same here. Not because I'm a pirate, but because lemmy.world has been trigger happy with blocking instances /communities. I did not leave reddit to be a part of even bigger shit show. So here's hoping the fediverse works out.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I could see World being a safe place to create big mainstream communities, and maybe remain a good starting point for people joining the fediverse.
I'd love a safe mainstream place based on mutual respect and healthy discussions of different viewpoints. Lemmy.world will not be that place if they continue their course. Defeterating pre-emptively (like hexbear) or banning community for discussing pirating (mind you, talking about pirating is not illegal and the community hosted no pirated content) is only a way of creating the Stepford Wifes community.
At this point lemmy.world seems like an echo chamber blocking any instances they don't agree with its a sad sight to see
Lemmy.world banned piracy so a lot of people will stop using lemmy.world, splitting the load
Some are doing one step more and registering on the instances hosting the piracy communities.
I think this is not the worst idea
Sucks for us interested in it but It's completely understandable. Making an account on another instance and transferring your data takes no time at all, which is exactly what I did.
I have accounts on multiple instances, but what does transferring your data entail when you say that?
Transferring the communities you subscribed or blocked to your new account. I used lasim, just downloaded the info from my old account and uploaded it to my new one. Only took a few seconds to do.
I thought about using this but bro, I'm not installing a desktop piece of software for this nonsense.
That's my problem. When people say "just switch instances, it's why the fediverse exists" did they ever stop to think that it's a pain in the ass? Or that there's going to be significantly fewer communities and users on other instances?
I am not finding my same communities outside of lemmy world due to the overall lower usage of lemmy. So we're faced with switching instances to "fight the good cause" and have no content, or stay at Lemmy World.
Not everyone here is a ln Uber tech nerd that has all the time in the day to fuck around with this stupid site.
If you join an instance that isn't defederated with lemmy.world, you should have access to all of the same communities and comments that you'd see there. That's kind of the entire idea.
For example, I'm viewing this post and these comments from sh.itjust.works. I had to go back to the top of this post to see that it originated from lenmy.ml
that concept still blows my mind. we're all together now... but separately.
And this ties into people asking for things like "is there a way to LIST what communities an instance has?" On an app by app basis, because as the other user said - this whole "we're in this together" thing with the federation idea isn't really clicking.
Sounds like user error.
yep, just signed up on a different instance 🙂
That's me!
Hey, me, too!
Hit me with some .world alternatives. I was on lemm.ee but they haven't defederated from hexbear and liftoff won't let me block entire instances yet.
Tap instances at the bottom of the page.
I've begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.
Who are exploding heads? I.e. what about people from that instance?
When I looked at that site to see what everyone is talking about, it looked dead with most posts having no comments. Am I missing something? Doesn't really seem like a threat to Lemmy.
Just signed up for startrek.website, they still have beehaw which is cool
Most of the instances that are not LW and sh.itjust.works have actually
What is beehaw?
Before the flood of people beehaw was one of the main instances. Now just an interesting group of people (and nowhere near the size of world).
Beehaw.org
They're a heavily moderated instance
Ayyyyy
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
I know, right? How dare they stop us from stealing movies and computer games!
100% understand why Lemmy World did this. Piracy opens the floodgates for legal trouble and is largely the reason why the piracy community over on Reddit is probably one of the most sanitized, locked-down and censored parts of the site.
Would you want a non-profit being sued to oblivion because somebody posted torrent links?
The piracy community already bans direct piracy links. The rules aren't that much different from the subreddit, so there's
This whole debacle with lemmy.world is mainly from the admins making a dumb decision.
Oh no, the scummy AAA punishers are going to make marginally less profit this quarter! Won't someone please think of the corporations!?
i hate seeing this downvoted. people need to grow a brain.
Woah, sh.itjust.works is far right? How exactly? Asking because I have an account there and this is news to me
those are far right?
World and shit just works are far right?
Also you can just create your own instance and defederate from whatever
Why would you be de-federated from most instances?
And could you show how those 3 instances are far-right? Seriously asking here.
I took would liberalism to disappear from my feeds.
And I want to block the extreme extreme left instances but here we are...
"extreme"
Lol...
Block whatever you want dude... You don't need to preach about it
Yeah, freedom sucks and being able to say what you want is bad. All hail the authority.
Edit: there really are many communists on lemmy.
Yes but if you say moronic shit even "conservatives" will downvote you
I argued with some idiots from the hexbear recently and their arguments boiled down to censorship is good and the state knows better.
👍
Good. Piracy is illegal and immoral.
It's like stealing a car.
You wouldn't download a car.
Of course not, cars are immoral
Not over lemmy.world's internet connection with that "uptime", definitively!
You know I would. For now I can at least download this and send it to them.
I would if I could.
Exactly. Illegal and immoral. You get a cookie.
Whoosh
So you like stealing vehicles too?
Only hand drawn ones or e.g. 🚓 I stole this one from the interwebs. Now you saw it, you gotta pay the owner. THOUGHT CRIMe
I'm surprised we're not all out stealing cars right now.
You're part of the reason why crime is so desensitized.
Ok, I'm not sure if you're for real, but I have a feeling you're one of the dudes with the writers/actors strike and I have to say that as someone who hates barriers to knowledge I also respect your struggle to keep doing what you love. I just feel like studios are getting too greedy on both ends in an attempt to prop up unsustainable profit margins, thus making it hard to afford services and hard to live on the wages they pay.
/rant That said, scientific paper publishers are another beast and the worst offenders (e.g. see a paper related to climate change for 48 hours, 40$) many researchers don't get paid to write the paper or even pay to have it published, only to see it paywalled, so nobody will even read it legally, so they can oversharge universities. /rant off
Ha..
It was a reference to Letterkenny btw.
But I want to make sleazy companies suffer...
Become a film director or major video game developer and have your content ruthlessly stolen then.
I can't, can't afford to go to college or watch films or read plays to become a better director, programmer, writer. Maybe I'm unemployed too :( fuck me, right?
Then write them and don't steal. And everybody is financially suffering so don't use that excuse.
Haha, I feel solace in knowing that we suffer together, pull yourself up by your flipflop straps, right?
Okay but be creative and don't steal.
Okay but be creative and don’t steal.
You've all witnessed theft just now!
Ok, I'll go to chatgpt then
Okay.
Me playing a small violin very emotionally at the thought that a media mogul won't be able to afford his 750th super yacht because of piracy 😢
Idk about immoral lol debatable for sure
Then debate it.