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‘There is no intel’: Trump’s attacks on Iran were based on vibes, sources say

Following Trump’s attacks on Iran, an admin official tells Rolling Stone, “The intelligence assessments have not really changed”

After Donald Trump’s decision to strike three Iranian nuclear facilities on Saturday, administration officials are barely bothering to pretend the unprecedented — and potentially calamitous — attacks were motivated by new intelligence suggesting Iran was on the brink of having nuclear weapons.

Just months ago, Trump’s Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified to Congress, in her opening statement, that the U.S. intel community “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon” and had not reauthorized its nuclear weapons program.

While Trump recently publicly disputed Gabbard’s testimony, according to two administration officials with knowledge of internal deliberations in recent weeks, the president’s decision to strike was not driven by any new U.S. intelligence on Iran.

‘There is no intel’: Trump’s attacks on Iran were based on vibes, sources sayhttps://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-iran-attack-no-intel-nuclear-1235369641/Open linkView original on sopuli.xyz
lennybirdreply
lemmy.world

Seemed pretty obvious that Bibi wanted Trump to win and intentionally stalled Gaza ceasefire agreements to make Biden/Harris look bad.

This may have been Trump returning his end of the bargain (or Trump is just a shortsighted and stupid piece of shit).

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krashmoreply
lemmy.world

lol Republicans don't give a shit about anything he's done or could do. They like Trump and there's nothing in this world that could change that.

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redsandreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

The girl looked just like Ivanka. It would damage his relationship with his favorite child in an unfixable way.

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ttrpg.network

More accurately, his girlfriend is, he’d probably be consider an asset. An important distinction on whether you protect them when they’re in trouble.

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lemmy.world

Maxwell’s Dad was an interesting guy if you read up on him. The dude had a lot of enemies via his business dealings and him being a literal spy for MI6/Mossad. Some believe Mossad even assassinated him, but I don’t really believe it.

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The fact that the shit had just hit the fan regarding Maxwell's looting of his employees' pension plans probably had more to do with his suicide.

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lemmy.zip

Epstein may have sold (or volunteered) intel both to Mossad and to US three-letter agencies. I don't know if that made him a Mossad agent.

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I thought Ghislane was the Mossad contact, wasn't her father actually in Mossad leadership? Epstein was the 'party' boy, gag, and Maxwell was operations?

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Salehreply
feddit.org

Well Biden/Harris could have pulled the plug for doing that. Instead they let Netanyahu publicly humiliate them by defying any requests, knowing they would send more weapons as a reward.

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They really couldn't. They were caught between a rock and a hard place.

Which is why Musk was able to dump over $70 million in exactly opposite attack ad messages to both Jewish and Muslim communities inside the key battleground state of Pennsylvania.

If they pulled military aid on Ukraine, one of the most powerful lobbyists in a close election would've unleashed their funding, and Republicans too would have labeled Harris and Biden as Antisemitic. Netanyahu would have publicly stated that, "Democrats are putting Israeli citizens at risk from terrorist attack by leaving us defenseless!" In the worst case scenario, Netanyahu -- already proven to be a psychopath who ignored obvious intelligence of an impending attack once -- could have possibly staged a false flag attack similar to Putin's past actions, and that would've sealed the deal. The public media would've labeled Biden/Harris as antisemitic and incompetent.

It's why they literally had to toe the line between protecting Israel (because the inertia Israel has in our society, sadly), but also seek a peace deal and publicly advocate for a 2-state-solution, as Harris did. The media landscape was not favorable to Democrats, which is why they had limited cards to play.

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Seemed pretty obvious that Bibi wanted Trump to win and intentionally stalled Gaza ceasefire agreements to make Biden/Harris look bad.

And biden/harris fell for it. they looked weak and complicit because they're democrats and that's their brand.

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It can be both. And yes bibi did not stop the ceasfire, I believe trump requested not be stopped to let him win

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He’s trying to get ahead of a mob and call it a parade.

See how his last one went to figure out how this will go.

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I'm still waiting to see Big Beautiful Bunker Busting Bomb

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This is the Democratiic parties election platform 2024 (see P82/P83):

Through aggressive diplomacy backed by U.S. military power, the Administration has worked alongside our allies and partners to deter and defend against Iran and its terrorist surrogates. President Biden has postured U.S. military forces in the region and authorized precision airstrikes on key Iranian-linked targets tied to attacks against U.S. troops to deter further aggression by Iran. President Biden has also continued to protect the American people from terrorism, authorizing military strikes that took out ISIS emirs and the leader of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri. In response to brazen attacks by Iranian-linked Houthi forces against international commercial shipping, U.S. naval vessels in the Red Sea, and Israel, President Biden ordered military strikes, alongside key allies, against Houthi targets and organized Operation Prosperity Guardian, a coalition of more than 20 nations committed to defending international shipping and deterring Houthi attacks.

When Iran launched more than 300 missiles and drones against Israel in April 2024, President Biden led an unprecedented defensive coalition – together with partners from Europe and across the Middle East – to defeat the attack, protect Israel, and stop the spread of a wider war. Through direct defensive action by the U.S. military and its partners, Iranian munitions did not cause significant damage, demonstrating both America’s ironclad commitment to the security of Israel and our unrivaled ability to leverage growing regional integration among U.S. partners to counter Iranian aggression.

All of this stands in sharp contrast to Trump's fecklessness and weakness in the face of Iranian aggression during his presidency. In 2018, when Iranian-backed militias repeatedly attacked the U.S. consulate in Basra, Iraq Trump’s only response was to close our diplomatic facility.

They are literally calling Trump "weak" for not engaging militarily enough. There is no indication Biden would not have jumped at the first order from Netanyahu to do his bidding, like he did all the years before.

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It's almost like the former presidents didn't think it was a good idea.

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But women are "too emotional" to be president. Fucking hell, just choke on hamberder already.

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lemmy.world

The Intel probably came in the form of a new deposit clearing in Trump’s bank account

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dhorkreply
lemmy.world

Who uses bank accounts anymore? They probably bought a bunch of $TRUMP. Doesn't every US President have their own private currency?

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rhvgreply
lemmy.world

Well, Trump has been an LLM all along, because attention is all he needs.

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lemm.ee

They were based on Trump being pissed that his little birthday parade was humiliating.

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phxreply

"maybe my military parade sucked because I haven't actually started a war yet"

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sh.itjust.works

What a year, first we got vibe coding and now vibe bombing... I wonder what's next

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We've had vibe-based rape for ages. "She says no, but she clearly wants it"

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Vranyo.

You know I’m lying, and I know that you know, and you know that I know that you know, but I go ahead with a straight face, and you nod seriously and take notes.

The bald faced lies are like the final insult. Even during the lead up to Iraq they made a show of trying to fake intelligence enough to suit their goals. Now it's just, fuck it we ball, and say whatever, who cares, and who cares if they know we're lying, they can't do anything about it.

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limerreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I’m mildly surprised the Trump leaning press is not claiming that Iran is friendly with monstrous tentacled aliens , and that is why, sadly there must be more war, to save earth..

Many would just believe it

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You leave the pastafarians out of this. FSM did nothing wrong!

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It describes the past 30 years of the USA's Middle East policy. At least it's consistent?

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They weren't based on vibes, they were based on orders. Trump's foreign handlers told him what to do and he did it.

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Why not use the full word? "There is no intelligence" is much more apt.

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lemmy.world

How about making that "Deport Trump to Iran and tell their president this is the asshole who gave the order to attack the nuclear facilities in your country, and then leave them and get the hell out of there while leaving them to do whatever the hell they want with him"

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I guess we're slowly entering the stellaris timeline. It's terrifying

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Really nice knowing that Nuke country #1 is governed by absolute senile murderous freaks for over at least 10 years now

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Vibe Warfare. Where Skynet doesn't have control of the military, but everyone does what it says anyway.

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lemmy.world

Wasn't the picture of 1970s Iranian women (dressed like US 1970s women) just floating around a couple months along with the attached comment stating "pictures of places before Muslim rule floating around means the US is about to bomb them" or does that just happen every year

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Chrisreply
lemmy.world

Iran was a liberal democracy before the US helped topple it and install the Ayatollah.

The US is complicit in all the violence they did to their people.

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fedia.io

Not quite. It was a liberal democracy until the US helped topple it and install the Shah, who was then toppled by Khomeini.

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It really shouldn't be surprising that the US liberal democracy got toppled by a dictator when we seem to love such foreign policy.

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FTFY: the president’s decision to strike was not driven by any new U.S. intelligence on Iran.

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the president’s decision to strike was not driven by any new U.S. intelligence on Iran.

FTFY.

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I mean, if Israel has nukes, and Iran has nukes, that should lead to peace, right? But peace isn't what Israel is after. This isn't about peace. It's about eliminating all that think and look different.

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o ok that makes it ok then nvm my furious outrage. gj buddy.

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"I'm going to need someone to go over the vibe code. Looks like the vibe drones are unable to capture controller input, and thus unable to engage in vibe strikes."

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Iran's theocratic regime aside (which the US is largely responsible for creating), why exactly are the US (and a handful of other countries) somehow more worthy of having nukes than others?

It's some bullshit if you ask me.

The question of "do we really want X country having nukes?" seems to come off as: "it's okay for country Y (the US) to have nukes".

I for one, am not a fan of anyone having nukes, but if we're not planning on getting that number to zero, not sure how it's justified to say a certain country doesn't deserve them, other than maybe North Korea who are completely unhinged, but how can we draw the line? The USA is literally just committing acts of war because they've unilaterally decided that Iran has nukes, without evidence, and that means they're justified in doing pre-emptive strikes.

I don't think any country is ever justified in pre-emptively striking another without extremely strong evidence.

I'm thoroughly unconvinced that any war the US has fought other than World War II has been justified.

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