Nearly half of Americans don't understand that when an illegal and immoral tactic is used against someone you don't like, it can then be used against you too. Dumb fucking Americans.
There's a meme out there that goes something along the line of "Nothing Ever Happens". This line of thinking is poison, as it doesn't take into account incrementalism. The fall into fascism isn't a single large step, it's many small steps until one day you've realized that you're no longer in the same place that you were, and that now, you're lost.
Yes over half. If nearly half of respondents disapprove, than the other over half either support it or don't care enough to oppose it, which is to say they aren't concerned about it.
The people that don't care will continue to not care until it affects them directly. Even with the tariffs it won't matter until what they're actually buying gets hit by the price hikes. Even then they may not even be paying enough attention to their finances to notice.
Okay, then let me rephrase it: When "nearly half" disapprove it can (and probably does) mean that there is still no majority (or plurality) approving, which is what OP falsely concluded.
This is exactly what happens with democratic societies
No. This is what happens when you have two sides, both too large to really represent anyone, battling for a sliver of majority using increasingly diverging views and then exercising as much power as they can before the roles flip again.
In an actual democracy representatives of the people, with many differing views, sit down together and decide case by case on a solution that most can be happy with.
Someone will always disagree with any decision when we live in a large society, but a functioning democracy is the closest thing we have ever come to making sure that as many as possible are happy (and more importantly get a say).
Unfortunately exactly this outcome is the inevitable result of a FPTP voting system combined with political parties. The most stable arrangement of such a system is a two party system, and once it reaches that point the winning party becomes the one willing to take the most extreme position from the other party.
The only way to fix this is to do away with FPTP and replace it with a proportional voting system that will allow for multiple political parties to be viable and encourage the major parties to seek moderate positions rather than extremes.
Absolutely agree! First past the post will always drift toward larger and less representative parties. Even proportional representation can have this tendency, but it is much more resilient.
Indeed! And they do under representational democracies. In a community there will always be some sort of law or code, whether written or not, that some members of that community disagree with.
Most Americans probably haven't even seen the video. The average person is unbelievably clueless. My friends Instagram reels is animated screaming cucumbers and more brain rot. 0 news, 0 information, just straight retardation. Each of our media spheres is individually tailored and that is a massive problem when it comes to getting people on the same page.
Less than the majority is depressing, but don't forget how the media is covering this. MAGA eats this shit up, obviously, but even your standard semi-informed people are getting "riots on the street of LA" bullshit on their local news outlets.
I'm actually a little surprised it's "almost half" in disapproval, given how badly this is covered. I wonder if TikTok and Bluesky are helping, the latter being obvious but the former being surprisingly good at showing what's actually happening on the ground-- at least a lot better than Meta and X options.
Yeah, also even though it's "almost half" there's more people saying disapprove than approve, so there's a large number in the "unsure" category right now, and the more we find out about who's being deported and how and what the cops will do to suppress these protests the more that disapprove number will go up
The Authoritarians- a book by Prof. Altmeyer- says there's about 1/3 of the population who are authoritarians and that percentage is pretty constant no matter what one does. SO it sounds about right
I hadn't heard of that book before. Looking it up, it's a book about the psychology of authoritarianism, backed by research and receipts. I'll add it to the top of my reading list. It also seems to be available for free on the author's website. Thank you for this.
Well, remember George Carlin when he said something along the lines of "Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half the population is dumber than that."
It's going to be interesting to see the reaction on the ones who approve when Trumpflation really gets going because farms can't hire enough workers to pick their fields and work their cattle and poultry mills.
Good time to plant a victory garden. You're gonna need it.
There's something that needs to be done, and that something is drastic, and a lot of people don't want to hear, or see it. But we can't keep going forward as a country where more than half of people are violent sociopaths, or enablers of the latter.
Between 33% and 38% of Americans shouldn't be allowed to make decisions because they are incompetent or vile. That's how many have never wavered in their support of Trump.
To be honest part of me wants his raids to spread to other cities, especially in middle America, so it hits home to more voters. Especially his wavering voters. Some people can only recognize something if they experience it first hand.
It will spread, but not in the middle of the country. He's allegedly targeted blue cities like New York, Chicago, Seattle next.
Our new chief of police here in Seattle just said that he expects to be arrested and imprisoned for protecting the city against these raids. Sounds like he might be a keeper. We sure could use it.
A lot of people are only seeing very sensationalized edited media about this and thinks the protests are way worse and more violent than they actually are.
There have been studies done about who responds to polling especially polling about politics. The personality types were laid out in it. Thats how I know.
Sure, if you designed a poll like you describe, it would have problems. But there are well studied ways of designing polls so the result is truly representative. There's a whole science of this, and professional polls done in good faith will be designed to avoid these kinds of issues.
It’s ok because it will never happen to me! Huh? These politicians have zero policy agenda and thrive on having an other to rally against? They’ll go after me for the pettiest of things like living while poor to fill their private prison quotas once all the gross gays and browns are reduced to cinder? Nah. This is America. It can’t happen here!
Nearly half of Americans don't understand that when an illegal and immoral tactic is used against someone you don't like, it can then be used against you too. Dumb fucking Americans.
We need to start finding ways to take away the rights of Evangelical Christians. Let them see how it feels for once.
Have you considered wishing them Happy Holidays?
"Happy winter celebrations, fellas!" "I hope you'll enjoy your Germanic pagan traditions"
So over half of Americans aren't concerned with accelerating authoritarianism? Great.
It's already affecting them personally, they've just been brainwashed into blaming the wrong people
There's a meme out there that goes something along the line of "Nothing Ever Happens". This line of thinking is poison, as it doesn't take into account incrementalism. The fall into fascism isn't a single large step, it's many small steps until one day you've realized that you're no longer in the same place that you were, and that now, you're lost.
They voted for it in the first place
A lot of Americans barely understand how the government actually functions.
Yeah, to add to that, the majority of Americans unfortunately have poor literacy levels with reading below sixth-grade level.
https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy
And you can probably guess which party governs most states with the lowest funding levels for improving literacy.
38% percent not over half
Yes over half. If nearly half of respondents disapprove, than the other over half either support it or don't care enough to oppose it, which is to say they aren't concerned about it.
If "nearly half" disprove that means more than half approve.
That's fucking disgusting.
There's always a good percentage that are indifferent or "don't know". But they're no help.
So basically the same outcome as the election. People haven't changed.
The people that don't care will continue to not care until it affects them directly. Even with the tariffs it won't matter until what they're actually buying gets hit by the price hikes. Even then they may not even be paying enough attention to their finances to notice.
And even if they express disapproval they will vote or not vote in the same manner because the other side is worse or both are bad.
Which is the exact same as approving it.
Per the article:
That leaves 19% and 17% that are undecided. The question for those would be are they uninterested or uninformed?
Both probably. Or just flat out too stupid to have an opinion
Who gives a shit? They've proven themselves fucking useless like the shit heels they are.
...he's pointing out the percentages. Almost half disapprove but only 38% approve and the rest were undecided
To be fair here and without looking up numbers, such polls tend to often show the same pattern. Something like 45% A, 30% undecided, 25% B.
So when "nearly half" disapprove it can still mean "a majority" does.
Not a majority. A plurality.
Okay, then let me rephrase it: When "nearly half" disapprove it can (and probably does) mean that there is still no majority (or plurality) approving, which is what OP falsely concluded.
No. This is what happens when you have two sides, both too large to really represent anyone, battling for a sliver of majority using increasingly diverging views and then exercising as much power as they can before the roles flip again.
In an actual democracy representatives of the people, with many differing views, sit down together and decide case by case on a solution that most can be happy with.
Someone will always disagree with any decision when we live in a large society, but a functioning democracy is the closest thing we have ever come to making sure that as many as possible are happy (and more importantly get a say).
Unfortunately exactly this outcome is the inevitable result of a FPTP voting system combined with political parties. The most stable arrangement of such a system is a two party system, and once it reaches that point the winning party becomes the one willing to take the most extreme position from the other party.
The only way to fix this is to do away with FPTP and replace it with a proportional voting system that will allow for multiple political parties to be viable and encourage the major parties to seek moderate positions rather than extremes.
Absolutely agree! First past the post will always drift toward larger and less representative parties. Even proportional representation can have this tendency, but it is much more resilient.
Indeed! And they do under representational democracies. In a community there will always be some sort of law or code, whether written or not, that some members of that community disagree with.
These are some depressing numbers.
I wonder how does it compare to previous iterations of large protests.
The article implied this is within historic norms for civil rights protests in the US
That's because there are hundreds of millions of racist fascists here.
That's a lot of people who saw a reporter get shot and went "I'm cool with that".
I'm joking. Most of them probably aren't paying enough attention to have seen that.
Most Americans probably haven't even seen the video. The average person is unbelievably clueless. My friends Instagram reels is animated screaming cucumbers and more brain rot. 0 news, 0 information, just straight retardation. Each of our media spheres is individually tailored and that is a massive problem when it comes to getting people on the same page.
I feel like most of my friends follow the news, but I bet you're right that most people are just in a haze of screaming cucumbers.
I’ve seen people claim she deserved it for blocking traffic.
Did FOX even show that video?
That percentage is insanely low. What is wrong with the fuckers that approve?
A significant lack of education mixed with misguided hatred.
Majority of people are clueless about most issues unless it directly affects them.
Mass propaganda. Meta and google promote pro trump propaganda now too
Less than the majority is depressing, but don't forget how the media is covering this. MAGA eats this shit up, obviously, but even your standard semi-informed people are getting "riots on the street of LA" bullshit on their local news outlets.
I'm actually a little surprised it's "almost half" in disapproval, given how badly this is covered. I wonder if TikTok and Bluesky are helping, the latter being obvious but the former being surprisingly good at showing what's actually happening on the ground-- at least a lot better than Meta and X options.
Yeah, also even though it's "almost half" there's more people saying disapprove than approve, so there's a large number in the "unsure" category right now, and the more we find out about who's being deported and how and what the cops will do to suppress these protests the more that disapprove number will go up
Theyve been waging a war on education for decades
NEARLY HALF?
So 38% are enemies of Constitution and country.
Anytime there's a poll, it's always the same 30-39% of shitheads liking the bad thing.
The Authoritarians- a book by Prof. Altmeyer- says there's about 1/3 of the population who are authoritarians and that percentage is pretty constant no matter what one does. SO it sounds about right
I hadn't heard of that book before. Looking it up, it's a book about the psychology of authoritarianism, backed by research and receipts. I'll add it to the top of my reading list. It also seems to be available for free on the author's website. Thank you for this.
https://theauthoritarians.org/
Well no. Im an enemy of most of the country and certainly its government, not super a fan of the constitution, and im extremely unhappy about this.
"nearly half" so over 50% of US adults are mentally challenged it seems
Well, remember George Carlin when he said something along the lines of "Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half the population is dumber than that."
Did 2024 not teach you that already? It's all a lost cause.
Probably more, some that are mentally challenged awknowledge Trump is terrible, they are just mentally challenged in a nother way.
That means a majority approve or don't care. We're fucked
45% don't approve and 38% approve someone said further up. Still not great but not the majority the headline makes it seem
17% of the population not giving a shit is a problem
This country continues to depress me. It really should be way higher.
It's going to be interesting to see the reaction on the ones who approve when Trumpflation really gets going because farms can't hire enough workers to pick their fields and work their cattle and poultry mills.
Good time to plant a victory garden. You're gonna need it.
Funny you mention it. I am growing a garden this year for the first time ever.
Wow, we got ALMOST half of America to understand that it's bad when presidents send the military to threaten Americans.
That almost makes me think our inevitable decline as a nation will happen slower than I originally thought.
So more than half are okay with it or don't care about it.
Nothing has changed since the election.
Nothing has changed since slavery
So a majority approves. Fuck this country.
Generally not how polling works, only 34% approved and the remainder is just no response.
75% of Republican respondents approved of the National Guard deployment, only 68% for the Marines deployment.
There's something that needs to be done, and that something is drastic, and a lot of people don't want to hear, or see it. But we can't keep going forward as a country where more than half of people are violent sociopaths, or enablers of the latter.
US is lost
Between 33% and 38% of Americans shouldn't be allowed to make decisions because they are incompetent or vile. That's how many have never wavered in their support of Trump.
But I am shocked here at the extra 12+% who aren't outraged by what's happening now. Is that the 11% of Libertarians? (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/08/25/in-search-of-libertarians/)
Libertarians are just right wing fascists who don't like paying taxes
If a majority of Americans approve then the problem will not go away if Trump goes away.
lol we are cooked
More than half of US citizens are fascists? That does not surprise me.
"nearly"..?
The other half voted for him.
Nearly half eh? Yeah less then half checkes out.
The other half are as dumb as a bag of hammer.
That’s right. Just one hammer. With measles.
To be honest part of me wants his raids to spread to other cities, especially in middle America, so it hits home to more voters. Especially his wavering voters. Some people can only recognize something if they experience it first hand.
It will spread, but not in the middle of the country. He's allegedly targeted blue cities like New York, Chicago, Seattle next.
Our new chief of police here in Seattle just said that he expects to be arrested and imprisoned for protecting the city against these raids. Sounds like he might be a keeper. We sure could use it.
Only half?
48% don't approve 34% approve
A lot of people are only seeing very sensationalized edited media about this and thinks the protests are way worse and more violent than they actually are.
Pathetic.
It way more than half. Polling almost always favors fanatics.
How do you know?
There have been studies done about who responds to polling especially polling about politics. The personality types were laid out in it. Thats how I know.
Sure, if you designed a poll like you describe, it would have problems. But there are well studied ways of designing polls so the result is truly representative. There's a whole science of this, and professional polls done in good faith will be designed to avoid these kinds of issues.
It’s ok because it will never happen to me! Huh? These politicians have zero policy agenda and thrive on having an other to rally against? They’ll go after me for the pettiest of things like living while poor to fill their private prison quotas once all the gross gays and browns are reduced to cinder? Nah. This is America. It can’t happen here!
half of America is dumber than a sack of potatoes
I disapprove of his existence.
That every American doesn't approve of Trump's handling of protests is shameful.
Quite the contrary. But looking at your post history, I wonder whether you accidentally said the opposite of what you meant.
I meant that it’s shameful that not all Americans disapprove of the Trump fascist regime. I seem to have been grammar challenged.
Did you perhaps mean disapprove?