700 Marines ordered to assist in Los Angeles
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This took less than 3 days.
Less than 3 days of mild protest in one city and Trump is saying the governor needs to be arrested and is using the military against civilians.
This wasn’t even classed as a riot.
That's because it was nothing on Saturday. Trump sends in the National Guard and they make a lot of smoke. There were 3 or so waymo fires and some cop cars damaged. Protesters were hit by rubber bullets a lot though.
See for yourself.
Saturdays Live Streams:
Sunday's Live Streams:
This weekend is the totally not celebrating the rapist in chief's birthday military parade.
There are... a LOT of concerns that is just an excuse to militarize DC ahead of midterms.
But yeah. That also means trump wants protests to go away NOW and an excuse to attack California always makes him happy.
Hasn't there been national guard, and a literal wall around the white house for the last decade?
There are military resources available and heightened security around the white house. In a country where children either buy an AR-15 or get shot by one, that only goes so far.
Contrast that with an actively deployed and on guard... guard. Protests in DC will become next to impossible and "dissenting" congress people will be much less likely to ever try to get a photo op while pretending they care about stopping doge et al.
In one neighborhood of that city.
Officially using the military against civilians. Yup we're cooked
Don't worry. All the heroic men and women in the armed services will decide THIS oppression of a civilian populace is too much and some of the officers will resign. Then, in just a decade or so, they'll have O-5s who are only qualified to be O-3s and it will all come crashing down! And if you disagree, you are just a doomer!
Yeah... This does not end well in any conceivable way.
There are several historical examples where a dictator tells the military to shoot civilians, they say no, and the regime collapses.
https://bsky.app/profile/gowder.io/post/3lr3wsvffds2l
The world is also filled with governments that ordered the military to shoot civilians and are still comfortably in power. No country is immune to authoritarianism, the US is not exceptional.
The US is just exceptionally good at being a dictatorship.
On the contrary, people are pessimistic as hell. Source: this thread.
Yeah, really if anything we need optimistic and angry
If that were true, no revolution would have succeeded, ever. You don't win if you don't believe you can.
Doesn't matter if it's illegal, if there's no consequences
This is what so many people fail to understand.
When your boss steals $100 from your paycheck, you're supposed to file a wage claim, wait years for your day in court, and even when you show that the company stole from you, the punishment for them is a small fine ($50 per person first time, $100 per person every time after that). You don't even get the fine. The fine is paid to the state.
Now flip it around and imagine what happens when you steal $100 from the company. Immediate legal repercussions, multiple court dates, probation if you're lucky and jail if you're not.
The entire system is designed to fuck people as hard as possible while reserving the kid gloves for corporations and oligarchs.
I am gleefully awaiting the day protesters start disappearing federal agents/national guard. Fuck all fascists, even the ones "just following orders". No habeas corpus is a two way street motherfuckers
This
Well, it actually does matter this time around. I think this is going to come back to Trump if we make it through long enough. California doesn't fuck around.
Trump has been using the Constitution as toilet paper with zero consequences. Why do you think he cares about this?
We know who is really behind this stuff: Russell Vought.
The remaining question is: how to make it look like a suicide?
The "police" are already illegally supporting ICE in their sanctuary city.
Pigs are always class traitors
Did Trump declare martial law while I was asleep? Because last time I checked, he can't deploy the military on US soil unless the country is in a state of emergency. And peaceful protests don't count.
Until one of the other branches of government decides to grow a spine, Trump is free to do whatever he wants.
Or the people.
The people can't do much against an MQ-9 reaper, much less strategic bombers that can fly well higher than civilian aircraft.
If it comes to something like Red Dawn, we are fucked.
"The people" aren't going to engage in traditional warfare against the undivided might of the US military. If there is armed resistence it's going to be attacks on individuals and sabotage/explosives, and it's going to divide the armed forces.
Well, he IS the king of America (and Canada, Panama and Greenland), so why would he need approval?
since when does it matter what the law says? he's been breaking the law every single day since he took office. nobody is gonna intervene.
Almost everything Trump has attempted to do, has to some extent, been blocked in the courts. Sometimes temporarily...other times completely. And the temporary blocks are all still active cases, that stand a good chance of getting permanently blocked in the future.
The problem is, the media isn't covering that enough. They like the drama...so, all they report in is the shit that gets clicks. And boring court details don't attract a lot of interest. Especially considering that by the time anything is resolved, the news steam has long since moved on to other, more recent scandals.
I don't condone deploying the military, its illegal, but burning waymo's isn't peaceful.
The people setting those fires should absolutely be charged for their actions. But their actions don't negate the Constitutional rights of everyone else who is protesting. And calling in the National guard before the local authorities have declared the situation to be out of their control, is a direct violation of Constitutional law.
Agreed that the national guard shouldn't have been deployed as well. I'm just saying they aren't peaceful.
But, when you say, "they"...you are painting the entire protest as violent, unless you make the distinction that it isn't. And the vast majority of protestors are simply exercising their 1st amendment rights, in a perfectly legal manner.
I never said they were violent, I haven't heard of anything violent (edit: from the protesters) yet personally. There's a difference between peaceful, not peaceful, and violent.
If there's enough bad actors doing things like setting cars on fire, then it warrants a larger police presence (but not the national guard at this level or ever the military)
Edit: Just to add clarity, it warrants a larger police presence, because they are in fact no longer peaceful. Sure most people are, but the protest itself isn't.
Impressive how the troll farms always manage to put one “yeah people were hurt but what about property?!” in every thread about our pigs.
Waymo's are ultimately used for surveillance to intimidate protesters. Ideally they wouldn't get burned, but at this point they have chosen to side with authoritarians (tho that is expected of corporations)
I'd love to see proof that Waymo is providing live footage to the police to help manage the protests if you have it. That's pretty fucked up if true. (edit: Burning is still bad, but I'd be down for defacing (e.g throwing paint on it) if so.)
An example
Granted, this is not about the protest, and it is too early for that footage to be used so far. Still we know the current admin is not happy about any protest and was elected on themes of revenge. It is worth taking steps to protect protesters from being targeted in the coming days and weeks.
I think it comes down to did waymo freely provide it (article doesn't say up to where it wants me to sign up) or did the police have a warrant.
If they have a warrant, I think that's legitimate. I don't think Waymo should be responding to police requests without a warrant though, otherwise it will breed distrust, and rightfully so.
The police have been known to demand footage from Tesla's in the area of crimes as well, again as long as its with a warrant, or the individual owner decides to provide it, I think that's fine. I want to make the distinction that if an owner of a car that has cameras wants to provide it, i think that's okay, but as a corporation, with a fleet of vehicles, that should never happen without a warrant.
Congress could end this immediately, by revoking Trump's emergency powers. Spineless traitors the whole lot of them.
What emergency?
Well, there's like 40 he's declared to choose from, but specifically rescinding the Southern Border Emergency enacted on day one. These unprecedented circumstances provide him the ability to deploy military against civilians.
Edit- Adding an NYT article with better overview
Like I said, what emergency? They're all made up.
Ah, no disagreement from me. If only congress saw it that way. There's at least a majority of representatives who clearly feel the orders are valid through their lack of action.
Every military and law enforcement member needs to understand right now that attacking protesters for exercising their First Amendment rights is crossing a line that they can never come back from. I, for one, will always hold it against any MAGA for the rest of my life. They deserve to be mercilessly shunned, ridiculed, and discriminated against for the rest of their miserable, stupid, treasonous lives. I own a business, and I will never hire a MAGA supporter, ever.
I'll add to this do not go on vacation to any red state. Do not buy goods from red states whenever possible
I understand Crayola is usually the preferred brand amongst marines.
BAS is not high enough to afford Crayola
Don't cheap out on our military!!
RIP America July 1776-June 2025.
249 years. Almost right on the fucking dot for the 250 year lifespan of every empire!
So this is what freedom looks like? Where are all the 2nd Amendment fanboys when they’re needed? Probably sitting in the parents basement surfing the net for manga.
Siding with the cops and looking for a Target they can protect while shooting some n***ers.
Karl from InrangeTV is probably one of the only genuinely honest Second Amendment supporters out there and he summed it up pretty well (in his video on how Palantir/Doge is all about surveilance and The Government is already coming for people): The vast majority of gun nuts (youtube or otherwise) are silent because they align with what is happening.
Ah yes, why won’t someone else come to save us?
Collectively, you voted for this fascist. As a non-USian, I’ll just grab my popcorn and watch the drama unfold. Very similar to watching the Brexit debacle here in Europe.
Fortunately nothing bad ever happens in Europe, so enjoy your smug superiority.
We don't have yet a dictatorship where the army is shooting citizen and foreign reporters.
Don’t you guys have an active war zone?
Orban? Erdogan? Mussolini making a comeback? I could go on…
Which timeline is that Europe of yours in?
Unfortunately this shit show won't be contained so I wouldn't be so gleeful in the end of the united states, this will get to you, the united states has the record of spreading the "democracy" where they see fit so it might be coming to a country near you or to you...
The Silver Lining: Media coverage of the extensive protests in every city in America has been so light, that some people are asking why nobody is doing anything. Meanwhile Millions of people are protesting across America. Some protests have been higher than 5 million nationally, and they are growing. At 12 million, we reach 3.5%, which experts say is the threshold for a "tipping point," which leads to trends like revolutions.
But since the media isn't covering it, most people have no idea how much is happening. That is, until HitlerPig and The MAGA Morons hit the stage and start puking all over everybody. THAT makes the news, and now EVERYBODY knows about the protests.
Somebody should explain the Streisand Effect to these jokers.
No, someone should definitely not explain it to them, lol.
That's really interesting, where did you read about that tipping point. I'd love to know more if you have a recommendation.
Two books:
Mark Penn's Microtrends: The Small Forces Behind Tomorrow's Big Changes
Malcolm Gladwell's Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference
I especially like Gladwell's book, and his other books as well. Blink is another favorite of mine. I haven't read Penn's book in a long time, it may be getting a little dated.
I read Gladwell already, which has its issues but taking at face value with a pinch of salt is good. I'll check out the other one, thanks!
Kinda seems like the US has gone to war with her citizens: what with the deploying of troops against them and all. Maybe her citizens should start acting like they are at war.
Too bad there are no cases in history of a guerrilla force standing their own against the "undefeated" US military. /s
California didn't accidentally become wealthy. Lots of smart & capable people there, albeit with much to lose.
They'll reasonably try to keep a lid on things, but there's a line not too far from where Californians have currently gotten pushed to.
Ooh will we see the 95-99 percent hire mercenaries to fight the 1%'s mercenaries?
Is this gonna be a proxy civil war?
No.
Well, I recently bought two guns and tons of ammo in preparation.
So have a few friends of mine in the last few months. And I know we aren't the only ones.
If this administration wants a war, they'll get it, but they will not win.
Buying a gun does not make you a warrior. How much do you train?
I shot around 20000 rounds a year, and would not want to go up against a trained armed force.
# The Posse Comitatus Act
Assist with what, motherfucker? Continuing denial of due process rights?
Article 4 of the Constitution, they can’t take your house to do anything.
Seems the Constitution has been suspended.
All but the 2nd amendment, maybe 14th too
Assist with WHAT?
Occupation.
Correct answer. The fascists in charge want to do to California what Israel is doing to Gaza.
Not American and maybe I'm just OOTL but this confuses me as well... I'm aware of a peaceful protest against the mass deportations, but what else? Why do they need armed soldiers??
To prove empirically that he is a king and the constitution is dissolved.
It's the next step in his takeover. He already controls the government. He controls business through tariffs. Now he needs to control the people.
Once he's got control internally, he'll turn his eyes to other countries. What we've seen so far with his threats will become reality as he annexes Canada, Mexico, and Greenland to secure natural resources and wages a full economic war on anyone else who challenges him (China, EU)
It's pretty textbook rise of Nazi Germany 1930s. None of this should be surprising.
Yeh as a Canadian I'm pretty sure we're next after he crushes the democratic states. Can't build an empire without conqueting your neighbours.
Image of Headlines:
Edit:
Plot twist: they round up ice and throw them in the brig
You tease!
Only if they were actually serious about their oaths.
Posse Comitatus:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained
What does the Posse Comitatus Act say?
The Posse Comitatus Act consists of just one sentence: “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
In practice, this means that members of the military who are subject to the law may not participate in civilian law enforcement unless doing so is expressly authorized by a statute or the Constitution.
These are California marines, could the state of California prosecute them?
Not for a federal crime, no. Same reason that state police can't enforce immigration laws.
Is it a nitpick to say since the posse comitatus mentions the army and air force, but not the navy, it doesn't apply to the marines? I have no clue, I just know the US are very literal with their laws.
Isn't there a law against this? Not that Cheetoface cares about those...
Somehow the criminal pedophile rapist doesn't care about the law. Maybe if they vote for him the third time he will keep his promises
Which they are not allowed to do.
Did he suspend the Posse Comitatus Act and no one reported it?
does he even know it exists.
what stops a member of the armed services from denying a command or order if it is unlawful? what about if it may be unlawful? (ie needs to be proven as such but “right now” just smells unlawful?)
Officially the guidance is to comply but document and raise the question after...
Unofficially if you refuse and make it clear you're taking the court martial and chain of command folds.
With this situation the real question is if they standby and watch ICE/cops abuse citizens, or if they interject and stop the violent side.
The military has much higher standards on what acceptable.
yeah makes sense. i think after the drama from the massacres in vietnam they must have tried to pivot and change tactics in those regards.
Indoctrination/brainwashing.
The official stance is that they SHOULD ask questions and point out their objections... to their superiors. Who will, in turn, raise their own questions. Until it gets to a lifer who doesn't give a fuck and just wants to burn a family to death so that they can take credit for a successful mission and maybe get promoted in a few years.
But, in the meantime? It doesn't matter if you support The Mission. Hell, your NCO doesn't either. But what matters is that you want to protect the men and women, but mostly men (because women are for raping back at base), in the foxhole next to you. So go get the gas can and follow some orders.
Call 1-877-447-4487
https://girightshotline.org/
They can help.
Piece of shit traitor. America will swallow him whole when this is over.
I really wish that the bad guys always get what they deserve. Reality tells another story though.
Cool and normal! 😬
Right... Because you need 700 highly trained military personnel to deal with civilians.
That is in contrast with untrained cops having fucking tanks in their disposal though. I don't argue your point, but it just sounds like some sort of a societal sadomasochism.
They should refuse the orders and arrest Trump and everyone else involved in this shit. Which includes a lot of the administration.
Traitor president.
The sooner Americans learn to accept this is the historical event currently unfolding, the sooner we can take care of him and his enablers.
I keep seeing people talking about the Marines and the National Guard being deployed, and this is certainly egregious and the blame for it rests squarely on Trump's head... But I have not seen many people mention that the LAPD are not being deployed by Trump. They are being deployed by Californian Politicians, and from the livestreams and videos I've seen, the police are the ones shooting LTL rounds and flahsbangs at civilians and reporters. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the police response has been unacceptably violent, national guard or not. It is the violence from the police that has historically, and will in this instance as well escalate the situation.
"Assist" is doing some heavy lifting there...
Not American so could be wrong, but there's a law that they can't do police services unless activated by the state not the president so that will be interesting
I hope their always faithful to their country, not their dictator
You had three homonyms in your sentence and took the bold strategy of using the same spelling for all of them but got it right twice.
66%, still passing.
Huh. I always thought homonyms need to both sound the same (homophone) and spelt the same (homograph). But a quick search showed they could be either.
My whole life has been a lie.
From what I've heard about the high integrity of the U.S. Marines, I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the civilian side of the line.
Lmfao dude thats propaganda, the marines are teenagers who've had "loyalty above everything" kicked into their heads since they joined up. At best they just stand around and don't do anything, but take it from a former marine, that situation is unlikely.
This response hit home. Thank you! Hopefully things remain peaceful.
Where have you heard this? We have marines constantly getting caught drinking and driving, breaking and entering, smuggling drugs, and even raping women here in Okinawa. I get called by the prosecutor's office almost on a weekly basis to interpret for these guys.
On top of that many cops are former marines and could be in the national guard being called in.
Protestors should start bringing packs of Crayola to lure them across the line.
Or just start throwing crayons at the Marines, I'll bet the dress blues in my closet they'll laugh at that.
It depends. One of the things you want to do as a dictator is to bring in units from distant areas, because the local ones will see the people as their neighbors. Trump made that mistake, so I doubt the Cal Guard is going to do anything. The Marines are from Twentynine Palms, but they could be from anywhere originally.
LOL!
shithole country
This makes sense because establishing a beachhead on Iwo Jima and managing a rowdy crowd are similar skills
Trump left his tinydick phylactery in Los Angeles and sent the people who would have been correctly convicted at the Nuremberg Trials to try to find it, but he has to keep sending more because it is so small.
I don’t understand why these protests so often end up with people destroying cars and shop windows - and then, in many cases, looting as well. Whatever legitimate cause you may have had loses credibility pretty quickly after that, and it becomes hard to sympathize with the protesters, let alone criticize the riot police for stepping in. A cynic might say that some are just looking for an excuse to cause havoc.
A large group of people trying to have a peaceful protest could easily stop a few individuals who start smashing things. But from the looks of it, the reaction often seems to be the opposite - people applaud it or even join in. Even here in the replies, there’s someone excusing it with “who cares about Google,” and another one justifying the looting of ampm so apparently, in their mind, it’s not a problem. The fact that this exact same tactic is used by the aforementioned agent provocateurs should only further encourage self-policing within these protests.
No, I haven’t seen that, but I’m sure you can provide an example.
The point of agent provocateurs - at least as I understand it - is to make a peaceful protest no longer peaceful, giving the authorities an excuse to shut it down. But even if the people committing vandalism really are provocateurs, they still can’t accomplish their goal alone. They need real protesters to go along with it. Plenty of people are willing to riot, but they don’t want to be the first. However, once someone else takes that step, they’ll happily join in.
If the general sentiment among the protesters was that this kind of behavior won’t be tolerated, these tactics wouldn’t work. A regular police officer can’t tell a protester from an agent provocateur - so if someone starts throwing bricks and immediately gets shunned and handed over to the cops, they’ll be taken away, and the protest stays peaceful.
It's a case of a few opportunists ruining it for the many. As with football celebrations, street parties, or anything. It's a damn shame that their greed ruins the legitimacy of protesting though
Waymo is owned by Google. Who cares?
Looting small businesses will always be fucked. Haven't seen that yet with these protests.
I have seen people looting an AM/PM in one of the live feeds of what's going on. But it didn't look like they were actual protestors, either. Just people taking advantage of the situation. Plus it's AM/PM; you know how much good stuff they have? Too much! They're just helping them get down to a reasonable amount of good stuff.
The people outside your bubble.
Probably because those people don't realize those cars are autonomous and owned by one of the biggest corporations on Earth. I've had people swear up and down to me online that autonomous cars don't exist. Meanwhile I see them drive around on the daily.
Not all the protestors are involved in criminal activity. The news is constantly reporting that 95% of the crowd is peacefully exercising their right to protest, but a small minority of people use the situation to their advantage and cause chaos. The media then reports on these (accurate) instances of violence and then right wing talking heads run away with that and paint the picture that everyone is looting and rioting and attacking cops.
It's also a known tactic to have provocateurs incite a riot so that the people in power can use it as an excuse to crack down on an otherwise legitimate protest.
I mean, many don't. I'm not even sure there was any mention of property damage except to police/Ice vehicles/equipment prior to the police escalation.
However now they they've escalated and brought in the national guard, started shooting and tear gassing people, and more it seems things have escalated.
The real question is - "if these communities are protecting these people so fiercely, where is the mandate to deport them with such force?"