Walz Calls on Dems to ‘Bully the S**t’ Out of Trump or Risk Becoming ‘Roadkill’
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That isn't even bullying! That is just pointing out how fucking wrong and hypocritical they are about every little thing.
Keep it up.
Given your level of justified vitrol, I'm surprised you're associating with these people volunteerily at all. I've got family I'll never talk to again because I don't want to have any time to Nazis. Most of them are dead to me, so missing funerals won't even be a thing.
This. Don't let them talk, if they want to make themselves sheep then you need to shepherd them, at least long enough to get them thinking for themselves again
You can get most of them in tears with a few sentences pointing out their own failings in life as the primary reason they joined such a stupid political cult.
Sweet Jesus, Everett. Can I post this to c/BestOfLemmy?
Hahaha, ok I won't.
And it was really the second paragraph I wanted to post. You're right, the first part could be fiction, but it feels quite real right now, which is why I liked it as well. But the second part is undeniable. Challenge them anywhere and everywhere; on everything, on all their lies. Turn their world upsidedown, tear asunder their illusions, send the sanctuary of their ignorance crashing down around them.
Anyway, hard agree, no post to BestOf, best bullying wishes to you, may your references quickly spring to mind during your future arguments.
Gotcha. Cheers!
What a blind and selfish attitude.
Anyone wanting to clean up school lunches deserves support. Fuck your sports team mentality.
Your conservative relatives now give a shit about children's health. Take the win.
Don't try to score on them, putting your ego above a worthy cause.
(Whether or not RFK manages to do something useful is a different topic)
Exactly. Do you recognise that is exactly what you are doing with your "My team did this first" attitude? Be a little more self aware.
And I thought you were the one stalking me.
Just to be clear, your position is that your parents deserve to be bullied because they want healthier foods in schools? If RFK Jr does improve food in schools, will you apologize to them? You also do see a difference between the methods Michelle Obama used and those RFK Jr are using now, right?
You shouldnt take your anger out on your parents, IMO.
Well, unfortunately I see pettiness in your post, not bravery. But keep on fighting the good fight.
I'm the smug one? I get along just fine with my parents despite many differences. You're the one acting like a petulant child when people don't agree with you.
Yes, I don't doubt you are doing whatever you think makes you a good person, I'm saying that I wouldnt choose to be the same person as you. Things have been bad for a long time, just because you or your group is suddenly one of the victims doesnt change anything. If you really think this is something new and special, then I have a bridge to sell you my friend.
You know which group was great at labelling and ostracizing people? Maybe we are both Nazis, who's to tell.
I’m old enough to remember when the advice people gave to deal with a bully was “Beat their ass and they’ll stop.”
But bullies somehow changed the narrative to where fighting back was wrong. It’s not. Self defense is never wrong. The only people that argue this are bullies.
Some people only speak the language of violence, and if you want them to understand your reply it must be delivered in a way they understand.
Bullies do not self correct their behavior. They find it rewarding and it continues until they are stopped.
I grew up in the age of zero tolerance policies in school which meant you would get suspended for fighting back no matter the circumstances. I blame those policies for the shift.
Same motherfucker policy was responsible for getting me suspended when I fought back against a bully he hit me from behind knocking me down.
But I remember in middle school had a bully kept picking at me. My dad said the next time he did it to beat the shit out of him. So he was flicking my ear during study hall. So I threw his ass down the blenchers and then beat the fuck of him.
He never messed with me, nor did any other bullies. And I am no fighter and wasn't strong. I found over the years most bullies are just weak ass pussies and that break down if you give any resistance.
Same here with dad. I handled my shit in the 4th grade a single time. Bullies at my school remembered and I got left alone. I got suspended and dad got me ice cream because I was standing up for myself.
Several years later some bullies from another school who didn't know me tried pulling some shit in the wrong place. Not school grounds so there were no policies stopping us. I had just turned old enough to drive. A group of them tried their luck and started talking shit. So I pulled out my tire tool and started swinging. I didn't hit anyone. I just came out looking crazy and they went on their way.
This will not be everyone's experience, but in mine you just have to look insane enough that no one doubts you'll try to maim them.
My dad got me ice cream too. He was proud of me. And no at that school bully me again. Just had to teach that same lesson at each new school.
Very similar story here when moving somewhere while ESL. Got singled out on the first day and it's like I had a bully magnet on my back. I was so confused, because this had never happened to me before. I'm actually thankful to the one but kid who shoved me, because I lost it on him (I think I took out my culture shock on him lol).
Anyway I wasn't big enough to cause any real damage. I was a slight little guy, even for my age, but I guess trying my best to tear this kid's ear off made an impression, because I never ever got bullied again.
Actually I remember bullies standing up for me, which I'm sure could have been a whole different career path if I was interested in acquiring henchmen rofffl.
Well guess we are thankful you didn't go down the villain path.
It is amazing the sort of strength and force months or years of repressed rage can unleash on someone who deserves it.
I really hope that the Trump Regime is made from that bullying cloth. As a weak person who wants to oppose the regime, I would like to walk away more or less intact.
Still, one has to do what must be done. Bullies would take passivity as a license to abuse.
Yeah our millennial era zero tolerance horseshit was such garbage. I saw kids get suspended because they got punched. That kinda injustice was asking for kids to snap, when in reality kids should have been given a firm handshake for defending themselves.
Anyone who did school from 2005-2015ish remembers some variation of "tell a teacher, don't fight them back" etc. 199% responsible for this shitty version of society where self defense is basically not a concept any more.
That tracks.
"STOP RESISTING"
Did the bully look like this and hang out with kids that look like Dragon Ball Z characters?
In the age of zero tolerance, my son discovered that the school security will respond to fights, but not punches.
He had someone bullying him in high school, making fun of him for having a big nose. Told the guy he was done, and didn't want to hear it anymore, and said if he said one more thing, there'd be trouble.
The guy opened his mouth again, my son stood up, punched him in the face, and sat back down. There was a security guard walking by at the time, and he saw it, and just kept walking.
I've felt my son's punches in karate class, so my first reaction when he told me about it was to ask if I should prepare for a visit from the police, but he said he pulled the punch.
No one ever said anything about his nose again.
It amazed me that anyone would ever consider bullying him. 6'5" tall, solid muscle, about 12 years of Karate classes. It seemed like bullying him would be obviously suicidal, but he is a good kid who didn't want to hurt anyone, so bullies irrationally thought he was an easy target.
That policy lead to a LOT of abuse from the staff at my sped-ed school as-well. "You looked at me funny? Calls timeout staff to drag you by each of your limbs to the carpeted room"
My high school in the latter half of the 90's tried zero tolerance... briefly. Fighting got worse under the policy, cuz us kids figured if we're gonna catch a suspension, might as well earn it.
And the people responsible for that were thr columbine shooters, who were actually remarkably aggressive bullies themselves and not the victims people make them out to be.
Actually, there was a zero tolerance policy in my middle school several years before Columbine.
Nah I was in school before Columbine and we had zero tolerance policies also.
Our method was to covertly fuck with them.
They were bigger and could beat the shit out of us, but once we learned the location of their locker in gym class, they often left gym selling of various old lady perfumes.
They dominated the kickball field - sneak into the supply closet and slash the kickballs.
We'd turn our papers in at the teachers desk as we left for lunch. Sneak back in later when the teacher is away and steal the bully papers.
The beauty is they feel like the world is out for them. They either lash out and fuck up big time or fall in line.
They never should have stopped calling them "weird."
Yeah, no kidding. It was Walz's winning strategy until the corpos told him to cool it. They'd already decided it was trump's time to win
That was so mild too. Call them creepy shrimp dick loners. Make them look deeply unsettling and unhinged and inhumane and illogical little unlikeable creeps they are and isolate them. Use whatever sticks. Their top guy is a proven rapist and was best buds with pedophiles. Keep hammering that!
Taking the higher moral stand doesn't work with these people; grab them by their fucking hair and drag them through the mud kicking and screaming. Do you wanna win and maybe slow this country's descent into full on fascism or do you want to "not stoop to their level" and "uphold decorum" with words? Because what's coming is going to be much more unkind than words.
That is the only way to handle these types. Time to grow some ovaries and start calling these pieces of filth what they are.
The great thing about “weird” is that it’s not really aggressive but more disgust. Like, if some guy says women are inferior you can say “that’s freaking weird dude” and leave it at that.
Mostly cause they’ve never stopped being weird. We are governed by some weird fucking people.
It seems that internal polling put the "weird" message as not really helping (or hurting) the Harris campaign. Arguably, keeping up the "weird" message may have been useful, but they were likely trying to find something that seemed to have a larger impact.
"they"
He's right. Only effective strategy against a bully is to fight back.
I never cease to be amazed at the “if you don’t treat bullies with respect you are the baddie” discourse in the US. It’s been the MO in schools for about 80 years and has become the standard operating procedure for many adults. Protecting yourself and others from bullies is an ethical imperative. As is supporting others who have defended themselves or others are being further victimized as a result. Bullies (and the people/systems that support them) lack empathy, compassion, reason, and accountability and are only happy when they feel powerful, which they achieve by harming anyone they think they can get away with. The only language they understand is force and any other tactic is as useful as yelling at a brick wall.
Colonel Graff:
Ender Wiggin:
This is Trump's strategy too. Make a brutal enough example of a few universities, or law firms, or immigrants, or other countries' economies, and the rest will comply in advance. Like Trump said in his West Point commencement speech recently: "As much as you wanna fight, I'd rather do it without having to fight. I just wanna look at them and have them fold.”
Reminder: Ender Wiggin is not a fucking hero.
Dear libs, please listen to your people who know how to stand up to bullies.
A prediction: Walz might be the George Washington of the Founding Parents for a Free States of America. Unlike most of our leftish politicians, he has some military experience and seems inclined to fisticuffs. Maybe Mark Kelly as well.
We are going to need that sort of person, who is willing to lead and fight by example.
We need people who do not care if they piss off the wealthy. People willing to forcefully and lawfully remove money from politics. People willing to challenge their own party members and even party leaders.
Primary every federal office in every election until the comfy incumbent lives in fear.
I've said this for a while now. You want to make a dent? You go after the ego.
Picture this: an endless stream of totally “realistic” phone-recorded AI videos of Trump playing golf. He lines up the putt—misses. Tries again—air ball. It’s literally an inch away now—misses again. Doesn’t blink, just traps it in, smirks, walks off like he nailed it. Over and over.
The key is subtlety. These can’t look staged or flashy—make them feel like someone’s nephew filmed it from the cart. Make it look like he’s genuinely terrible but thinks he’s crushing it.
Then blast them everywhere. Flood the algorithm. Turn his “I’m the best at golf” schtick into a punchline.
This is how you use AI to actually take Trump down—with a thousand tiny ego papercuts.
If you don't fight from a losing position, what incentive does anyone have to put you to win a winning when it is voting time? Counting on the Trump admin being awful enough for people to vote Dem is way too risky. Fight and inspire. Build collation and prepare to rebuild a new vision. You can't just offer return to neoliberal politics is not the answer either. You'll just restart the cycle over again for the next Trump.
They didnt fight from a winning position, and they still blame the voters. Short of some kind ofcoup in the party, they will keep trying to be republican-lite while working with Republicans, and then complain when Republicans vote for the real things and people who dont like Republicans simply dont vote, again.
Just gonna leave this here.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/202202/what-is-a-narcissistic-collapse
Let's adopt this as a manual...
Yeah, you could just put "Example: Donald Trump" on all three.
I have big narc tendencies and lemme tell ya that shit would kill me. The only point I am saying this is to harden the fuck up through some niche forum so that ‚public embarrassment’ doesn’t feel like dying anymore.
It kinda worked. But it took a lot of trolling like a lot and multiple bans on any possible social media you can imagine to shape oneself into someone more resistant to words.
First gain resistance by learning to say whatever shit is on your tongue and feel nothing about consequences and then come back to reason and you feel like unlocking superpower. Finally not shaped by others but being more of a rock staying solid and unaffected by external factors whatever happens.
The hardest battles are those we fight with ourselves
I know you're getting down votes, but I appreciate your honesty and willingness to do some introspection. Good on ya.
It’s a bit of tomfoolery to be honest. I have no idea what I written here but it sounds like ramblings of a lunatic the logic of who made some perverse sense few hours ago but it is too emphemeral to understand after some time passes.
I am method acting comments on lemmy for some reason, looking to see what happens I guess
The thing is I could craft a perfect comment that would be likeable but what would that give me other than empty dopamine?
It’s far more interesting to go against this desire of validation and see what happens.
Can we truly free ourselves from the need to conform? Is it possible?
Nothing I have written recently was written to please an audience. Maybe I have done too much to the other side now, to irritate the audience but that’s how you seek those ways.
All that effort to stop audience in defining who you are and seek authenticity. To stop “being perceived” as the prime factor in “being”
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If one of them says, "Well Harris was/would be worse!", explain the concept of Schodinger's Cat to them; in a universe where Harris was never President, you can't say shit about what she would have done.
Also.... Harris just wouldn't be worse? Not by any stretch of the what-in-the-laughable-but-dangerous-stupidity-is-this.
What they really objected to, a black woman.
💯💯💯💯💯💯
They didn't like the white woman either.
Tried that, doesn't phase them. So use quantum mechanics and make them feel extra stupid.
If you become road kill you'll then have RFK after ya so take this warning seriously.
DAMMIT! We WERE going to have Him RUN for President but now we need to Find Someone ELSE! Is Charlie Kirk's pal GAVIN NEWSOM around?
-The DNC LITERALLY!
And let me tell you, you do not want to be roadkill with this administration.
I like how even mainstream politicians openly cuss now but we still censor their shit in online news articles... Whos fucking sensibilities are they worried about offending exactly if they dont censor words?
Attack attack attack! No mercy! Down with TACO Don, down with the MAGA fascists!
We need to go back to mercilessly mocking them and calling them weird.
It didn't work.
Nah, it works great. Narcissists cannot stand being mocked.
Nah, they don't want to become a target. They'll wait until it blows up on the streets, then point and say 'see?'. Meanwhile, the public is waiting for the congressmen to do something. It's something to watch.
Starts with you, coach. Until I see you on your soap box beating these shit heels with a bag of nickels you are just blowing hot air.
What? He was the one who started calling Republicans weird, he was the OG bully of the campaign
Is calling someone weird bullying now? That's some weak shit. Normal is a myth.
I’m trying, Tim.
Based
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Incomplete. The full phrase is actually:
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
(The buffalo from Buffalo that buffalo (i.e. bully) buffaloes from Buffalo, buffalo (i.e., bully) buffaloes from Buffalo.)
i mean, by the grammatical rules, it's still a valid reply to the comment.
[modifier][noun][verb][modifier][noun].gödel reminds us: "syntax all on its own cannot determine semantics".
the point is to evidence grammaticalness despite apparent meaningfulness, and the commenter may just be seeking to simulate the point with a logically consistent application of the rules at play. "incomplete" with respect to [mimicking] or [reproducing] an [socio-historical cultural] artifact, but not inconclusive in evidencing the point (remixing to produce variations on the theme; i.e., there are evidences of +20-word recursive sentences, if not larger).
nothing about the buffalo sentence entails the social rule "when someone else posts the buffalo sentence, it must match the aforementioned sentence verbatim". permutations on the point are totally fair game.
Stop being shitty parents and get the divorce.
You could’ve been in charge if you had simply denounced genocide. But you couldn’t.
I think that's a bit simplistic. I think Biden's position on Gaza hurt turnout, but at the very most, that would mean Trump would win the electoral vote only rather than both the electoral and popular votes. There were several other reasons, e.g. the economy, Biden not bowing out earlier, Harris not putting some separation between them, etc. that ultimately doomed them.
Right, I forgot that Trump won because of how pro-Palestine he is.
When did I say that? The election had abysmal turnout, and most non-voters say something along the lines of “both sides are the same”. The most effective way to fight back against that narrative is to…actually not be exactly like the other side. Yet the Dems just couldn’t forgo a few million in bribes and actually be materially different on key campaign issues.
Anyone who thinks the two sides were the same is a dangerously stupid person who simply shouldn't vote. Ever.
It was literally a binary election. That’s how FPTP works. In a two party system it’s ridiculous to expect a candidate that has your exact values on every single issue.
But sure protest vote for the next 50 years and see where that gets you.
Bro every one of your recent comments is you being mad af. Maybe reflect on that.
Also the fact that your instinctive response to someone disagreeing with you is to immediately lob insults calling everyone else dumb makes you look insecure about your intelligence.
Hey bro I already know you aren’t succeeding in life, being this terminally mad online is definitely not the hallmark of someone whose got it figured out.
I was just trying to help you out. Looks like you’ll just have to keep suffering tho.
All those tiny brains who thought not voting for Harris would somehow make things better? You're right.
A genocide happening is not why the Dems lost...
Ain't it something how seemingly every Dem in power grew a spine the second after they handed Trump the White House?
Who grew a spine?
Cory Booker’s long speech?
What I think is funny is that the dems tried hard with good policies and overwhelmingly got voted out and no people are wondering why they aren’t doing anything.
Exactly.
The senate is particularly bad. Schumer is basically MIA and is effectively rolling over because thinks letting republicans get everything they want somehow looks good for him.
They don’t have the votes in the senate either so I’m guessing the strategy is let the GOP do what they want until midterms and point out how bad things are getting for the average American at that point.
At work, but imagine the "I'm in danger" meme with the trans flag on it here.
no but I am, lol
Maybe blame the voters who by and large wanted this.
They don't have the votes to pass a law, they do have the votes to stop laws from being passed. Further, the Republicans just killed a rule that allows 30 senators to block all bills by challenging executive decisions. The Republicans killed the rule to roll back a Biden admin decision to allow California stricter emission standards. Every challenge requires a mandatory 10h of debate. There are about 100 years worth of Trump admin decisions Dems can challenge to block the upcoming budget bill.
Will they do that? Probably not, because they rolled over on the CR when they could have easily filibustered it.
And yes, Schumer knows about this, he wrote an open letter warning Republicans not kill the rule.
This is what I hate about the Democrats. They'll happily roll over, yet I guarantee you the Republicans will abuse the hell out of this rule if a Dem president gets into office.
They did a shit job of explaining their good policies in soundbites people could understand.
Maybe good policies aren’t able to be put into soundbites.
Obama's campaigns were fairly successful at selling good policies as soundbites. The party did a shit job of following through.
Obama was and still is great at speeches.
The only people who thought his campaign was one of soundbites are the terminally online.
He had detailed policies AND soundbites.
They had soundbites but he explained their good policies in speeches people could understand.
Yeah no shit.
Oh, should we bully the Nazis now?
Pity we wasted four years NOT throwing Cheetolini in prison where he belongs, before he was able to do all the damage he has done.
Right?
"THE MIGRANTS ARE POISONING THE BLOOD OF AMERICA"
"Erm, anyone else think these guys are wEiRd???" 🤓🤓
Walz usually saves that level of ire for ethnically Palestinian Minnesotans. Good to see a Dem centrist at least talking about having a spine though.
https://minndakjcrc.org/news/jcrc-applauds-gov-tim-walz-pro-israel-record-stalwart-friendship-with-jewish-community/
And seeing these downvotes-- you do understand that picking Walz as your champion means losing whatever election you run him in, right? You cannot run a genocider from the left and expect the base to show up. You need to join the fascist-right if you want to support a fascist right wing ethnic cleaning of innocents. You cant have it both ways.
I couldn’t imagine unironically thinking this timeline is the better option.
I cant imagine the dem centrists actually standing up and demanding (for once in their lives) better candidates.
People gushing over an ardent zionist shows the dems have learned nothing at all, and still dont really give a sh*t what their voters think.
Thanks for censoring shit I almost shit myself seeing that.
Like it or not the states is a two party system.
Insulting people to get your point across?
How’s that working out for you?