Some places are drive-thru only after a certain hour or worse don't even have a dine-in option at all. I remember walking to a fast food joint next to my old apartment one night since it was the only place open and they wouldn't let me order because I wasn't in a car.
This is so fucked up to be honest. Just looking at the block that the Starbucks is sitting on it could be used much more effectively (if parking and roads were not a priority in north america).
A similar footprint in a european town/city could probably have 3 or 4 low-rise developments on it. We have developers and governments screeming housing crisis and a large city sprawl issue, yet we use space so ineffectively.
To rub it in there's all that free parking and just one parked car. I wonder where the hell are employees park their cars to leave all that space for customers.
Well, someone has built the US in a way that in many places using the car is the only viable option. That's why half-blind 80 year olds still drive their own cars.
Interesting note. That is the 2 maggots, where famous artists in the 1930-1960's would have afternoon coffee and discuss politics, paintings, and everything of the day .
Have one to look at on google maps. Not too different other than the parking spaces being way smaller. Do note the cycle path though, recognizable by the red asphalt. Cycling to this place is super doable, and they have a sit-down dining area if you do.
Note too how this is in an industrial park, if you go north-west a bit you'll find a residential area which is MUCH less made for cars than the industrial park.
Must be nice to have the money to wait in line, with your A/C on, to get an overpriced coffee that tastes like crap and isn’t worth the price they pay.
If you have to drive somewhere I've learned to use the app to order pickup ahead of time. Saves a huge amount of time and wasted gas, and the same pattern works regardless of your transportation method.
i live right in the middle of a growing Drive-Thru hellscape, and people here are just assholes to one another as often as possible.. i know because when i go out of my way to be _just a little _nice to somebody (especially somebody in a Drive-Thru), they're always shocked..
In fairness, have you tried being outside lately. So hot. No idea why, but there's no way I want to be outside right now. I'm going to prefer sitting inside my 2 ton box and blast the A/C using my gas powered engine until it cools off a bit.
Les Deux Magots is one of the more famous cafés in Paris. It was the hangout of many artists and writers such as Ernest Hemingway, Pablo Picasso, James Joyce, Jean-Paul Sartre and André Breton.
Still there, still a great place to hang out and sip beer and people watch.
"Magot" literally means "stocky figurine from the Far East". The name originally belonged to a fabric and novelty shop at nearby 23 Rue de Buci. The shop sold silk lingerie and took its name from a popular play of the moment (19th century) entitled Les Deux Magots de la Chine. Its two statues represent Chinese "mandarins", or "magicians" (or "alchemists"), who gaze out over the room.
Delivery and pick up are still both options offered by many coffee shops in walkable cities. In the case of delivery, dense bikeable neighborhoods might actually be faster in terms of food delivery than in a car centric society.
Well cars are polluting the planet, I thought we had a right to breathe?
Cars cause unsafe environments, and I'd like the freedom for walking and biking.
Cars are loud and obnoxious, I need the right to sleep.
We are working in this community with the shared belief that cars are creating a less human environment. I understand that driving is your right, that's completely okay. I'm going to recommend not driving to places within walking or biking distance, and to avoid idling as much, for a realistic step in the right direction.
Obviously, banning cars altogether isn't achievable. It is definitely not political. If you're coming in here with a closed mindset, I'd recommend avoiding engagement with other posts in !fuckcars.
Anyways, I hope you have a great day, make the choices you feel are right.
Thanks for explaining. While I am way against cars, I don't see another alternative in that situation. I think I got the poor image of you from your original comment and your user. I'd just recommend getting a car with better efficiency or a hybrid maybe.
Oh don't worry, we'll all just keep subsidizing your selfish ass until everyone here is dead. Don't make changes to your lifestyle, changing is hard and you can just keep robbing the commons.
Jokes aside, the solution for him is to get a car with better efficiency and to drive less. Maybe make things less political and religious. Yes, fuck cars, but I've lived away from everything before, and driving is basically the only solution for commutes, unfortunately. Maybe getting an EV or hybrid would've helped the solution.
The solution is not trying to live like a fucking feudal lord on his fucking plantation and expecting everyone else to pay to clean up the mess he makes driving 4 hours 6 times a week just to get fucking groceries.
But… the idea is to avoid human interaction! 🫠
Socializing is for socialists!
Next you'll tell me that communing is for communists.
Some places are drive-thru only after a certain hour or worse don't even have a dine-in option at all. I remember walking to a fast food joint next to my old apartment one night since it was the only place open and they wouldn't let me order because I wasn't in a car.
This is so fucked up to be honest. Just looking at the block that the Starbucks is sitting on it could be used much more effectively (if parking and roads were not a priority in north america).
A similar footprint in a european town/city could probably have 3 or 4 low-rise developments on it. We have developers and governments screeming housing crisis and a large city sprawl issue, yet we use space so ineffectively.
To rub it in there's all that free parking and just one parked car. I wonder where the hell are employees park their cars to leave all that space for customers.
The employees might not have money for a car since they get paid a shit wage.. which means having to walk through the car infrastructure.
And get berated for being 5 minutes late because the bus was 10 minutes late and its a 45 minute ride to go 12 kilometers.
Well, someone has built the US in a way that in many places using the car is the only viable option. That's why half-blind 80 year olds still drive their own cars.
Are the Scots making them say that, or a pirate?
Interesting note. That is the 2 maggots, where famous artists in the 1930-1960's would have afternoon coffee and discuss politics, paintings, and everything of the day .
Can't do that in a driveway in your car? Smh
You look like a parking lot from space. -peeps
Was this during COVID and the war in section was closed?
Exactly my thought... there's not a single car parked which is strange
Edit:.... there's one car parked :)
Lived in Oregon, lots of dutch bros adjacent to highways like this. No one parks there before or after Covid
To be fair, drive-in also exists in Europe and really took a flight during Covid.
Have one to look at on google maps. Not too different other than the parking spaces being way smaller. Do note the cycle path though, recognizable by the red asphalt. Cycling to this place is super doable, and they have a sit-down dining area if you do.
Note too how this is in an industrial park, if you go north-west a bit you'll find a residential area which is MUCH less made for cars than the industrial park.
Must be nice to have the money to wait in line, with your A/C on, to get an overpriced coffee that tastes like crap and isn’t worth the price they pay.
AKA $tarbuck$
there are Starbucks in Paris too that look exactly like the café/bistro in the bottom photo
I don’t doubt it. $tarbuck$ sucks either way.
(but they still serve overpriced coffee)
Fuck Starbucks too
There are more people served at the refasse than at the drive in line
If you have to drive somewhere I've learned to use the app to order pickup ahead of time. Saves a huge amount of time and wasted gas, and the same pattern works regardless of your transportation method.
Mcdonald's doesn't start making your order until your phone geolocates in their parking lot. It's mildly infuriating.
Those can be faked relatively easily
I shouldn't have to.
I just go to Wendy's instead.
I can use the "order and pay" function without location by picking the restaurant in the list.
Yes. I do that no problem.
They don't start making my order until I "check in" When I'm physically in the parking lot.
Interesting! I'm in Europe. It may have an influence.
i live right in the middle of a growing Drive-Thru hellscape, and people here are just assholes to one another as often as possible.. i know because when i go out of my way to be _just a little _nice to somebody (especially somebody in a Drive-Thru), they're always shocked..
In fairness, have you tried being outside lately. So hot. No idea why, but there's no way I want to be outside right now. I'm going to prefer sitting inside my 2 ton box and blast the A/C using my gas powered engine until it cools off a bit.
No idea why? gas is kind of a big part of why
It's gotta be artful sarcasm
Oh yeah that went way over my head
Yeah you have to be better at knowing when people are serious or not.
Who waits more than 5 min for a 10 dollar caffeine shake?
Does that sign say Les Deux Magots?
Is that an insult?
Les Deux Magots is one of the more famous cafés in Paris. It was the hangout of many artists and writers such as Ernest Hemingway, Pablo Picasso, James Joyce, Jean-Paul Sartre and André Breton.
Still there, still a great place to hang out and sip beer and people watch.
It's such a famous place that it has its own Wikipedia page. About the name, it says:
Kinda, but probably not in the way you'd expect.
But think of the calories I’m saving by sitting comfortably in my oversized and air conditioned vehicle!
Mist be nice to be able to live somewhere like that
I think sugar is the problem here not cars
Porque no los dos?
I hate crowds or human interaction, so the world of machines looks actually better.
Delivery and pick up are still both options offered by many coffee shops in walkable cities. In the case of delivery, dense bikeable neighborhoods might actually be faster in terms of food delivery than in a car centric society.
Well cars are polluting the planet, I thought we had a right to breathe? Cars cause unsafe environments, and I'd like the freedom for walking and biking. Cars are loud and obnoxious, I need the right to sleep.
We are working in this community with the shared belief that cars are creating a less human environment. I understand that driving is your right, that's completely okay. I'm going to recommend not driving to places within walking or biking distance, and to avoid idling as much, for a realistic step in the right direction.
Obviously, banning cars altogether isn't achievable. It is definitely not political. If you're coming in here with a closed mindset, I'd recommend avoiding engagement with other posts in !fuckcars.
Anyways, I hope you have a great day, make the choices you feel are right.
The entire point of this sub is to support making it easy for people to walk and bike where they need to go.
Thanks, this is true
Thanks for explaining. While I am way against cars, I don't see another alternative in that situation. I think I got the poor image of you from your original comment and your user. I'd just recommend getting a car with better efficiency or a hybrid maybe.
Also how did owning a car become political?
Lol anyways have a good one
Oh don't worry, we'll all just keep subsidizing your selfish ass until everyone here is dead. Don't make changes to your lifestyle, changing is hard and you can just keep robbing the commons.
Wow, what a jerk face.
Jokes aside, the solution for him is to get a car with better efficiency and to drive less. Maybe make things less political and religious. Yes, fuck cars, but I've lived away from everything before, and driving is basically the only solution for commutes, unfortunately. Maybe getting an EV or hybrid would've helped the solution.
The solution is not trying to live like a fucking feudal lord on his fucking plantation and expecting everyone else to pay to clean up the mess he makes driving 4 hours 6 times a week just to get fucking groceries.
Hopefully, you forget the /s.