What people really want is to not have to change anything - neither about their lives, nor about themselves.
They want to live in a perpetual 2005 where Windows is forever usable and still just an operating system. Where they feel happy and comfortable in their environment and their skills and abilities.
And I get that, because I feel it too.
But sometimes you have to change yourself, in order to change your world.
I mean if you’re dead set on it you can get a lot of modern things running on windows xp, chromium browsers, dx10/11 games, discord, etc. it’s a nightmare and you’ll have a ton of headaches (especially with the dx10/11 stuff, apparently, I’ve never tried any of this) but it’s possible
I mean to be clear I don’t do it. The only computer I run xp on is an old tektronik mainframe that only has lan access and needs proprietary software to work that only runs on xp
I don’t really count that though since i literally only use it for the one app that allows the logic analyzer and oscilloscope cards to work
The way you wrote it, there is no formatting distinction between emphasis (nonbinary) and stage directions (laugh track). I suggest you use something else for one of these, preferably the latter:
u might even say its a nonbinary choice *laugh track*
u might even say its a nonbinary choice [laugh track]
This is Lemmy, which is a byproduct of Reddit, and both of them have generally devolved into worlds of black and white only, although here tends to at least still have some nuance.
Unpopular opinion, but it's also fine to hate having AI being added to a tried and true industry standard. FOSS is great, and I use many FOSS programs, but it's often a decade behind in features, compatibility, & stability.
AI has been around for years and we all utilize the results of that research.
Remember that at one time a compiler was seen as AI.
It's the curse of AI: once a problem is solved, it's no longer AI. It just becomes a tool, and we adjust what "intelligence" means to exclude the new abilities of computers and code.
Even LLMs have value, just not how they're being used. If you carefully curate the training materials, you could have a useful tool.
I'd love to see an LLM trained exclusively on medical records of patients who were successfully diagnosed and treated. I wouldn't want to give it a medical license, but it could be a useful tool in the hands of a competent physician. It might turn out to be useless, but we need to try it.
It was kind of OK to refer to enemies as AI back then because not a single human (or investor) truly believed that a bot in CS can write text, paint an image, or replace you at your job. Now misusing the term leads to an unnecessary dangerous confusion.
It's a bit less about that, and a bit more about the fact that real robots cost a lot, require incredible investment upfront, and the results are very physical, it's very hard to dupe idiots into believing you achieved something great when you wasted all the money.
Look how easily everyone swallowed the llm bullshit, and how hard it is for Elongated Muskrat to convince everyone that his people in cosplay suits are totally robots you guys.
in a society that values the worker an invention that relieves work would be lauded.
capitalist society doesn't value the worker, it values the product.
as fas as capitalism is concerned people are just inefficient machines with annoying things like "rights" and "feelings"
It's one thing to think AI is poor quality in some tasks, but some users act like AI is personally assaulting them every morning as they wake up for work and pissing in their coffee.
Generative AI in different forms is more than just a poor quality tool. Image generators are being used to create fair pornography of real people. People are replacing actual mental health techniques with ChatGPT reaffirming every single one of their internal biases and making their problems worse. Employers are using metric shit tons of natural resources to generate "no you can't take the day off" emails, and people are generating AI summaries of AI generated presentations and saying they've learned something.
And if the human impact doesn't appeal to you, all the financial capital being poured into NVidia and OpenAI and all of this other rubbish could be solving real problems.
Can you name a single technology or human endeavour that doesn't have negative side effects or potential for abuse?
The rise of anti-AI sentiment isn't based on objective measurements of societal harms, it's a meme because it's new and popular and, like all memes, some people feed on the outrage-based reinforcement generated by social media interactions.
I'm not saying that there are no problems with AI. I'm saying that people are treating it as if it were a massive problem because their perception is warped by social media.
I believe there are significant downsides to AI because of my understanding, not because the internet has told me to. The flip side of this conversation is people who do not understand, or choose to downplay, the downsides and who inflate the benefits through ignorance or vested interest. Of course all change has to be balanced against both good and bad consequences but to me it reads as though you are discounting valid criticism of AI as groupthink, when just as much happens in the opposite direction.
Normal people are losing themselves in AI. I’ve seen multiple instances of people using LLM to fact check someone. Endless “uhh, but I asked ChatGPT and it said blablabla” making me lose faith in humanity.
Yeah it's become impossible to have philosophical discussions, although this truly does seem limited to the virtual world (i.e. via text, online, etc.). If I were to go have some drinks with a friend and they busted out some LLM to take part in our discussion I would chastise them endlessly for it.
Honestly its not much different from a google search and reading some nonsense written by someone who has no authority in the subject. As long as it reinforces their belief itll be true in their eyes
When someone can produce an LLM that doesn't use more power than entire small nations to spew out bullshit, then we can start inviting nuance. Unfortunately, we have to be pragmatic here; and the consequences of lots of GenAI are way worse than returning to no GenAI.
Obviously, this doesn't include pattern recognition or protein folding AI.
That also misses the point. If we want to pull the world out of poverty and into prosperity we're going to need an astonishing amount of power. The only key is to make power that is sustainable so that things requiring a lot of power aren't given a second thought. The thing you're mad at are massive corporations putting the cart waaaaaay before the horse. And yes, please be mad at them for that.
Real talk. I'm beyond an amateur, mainly doing super simple scripts for low power sbc's to output an I or 0, and even during my ~1hour learning process every video uses np++.
Son, I was using Emacs before Notepad++ even existed.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
Oh shit, I looked it up and it's literally true. Notepad++ was first released in 2003 and I'm pretty sure I used Emacs for the first time in 2002.
If you would actually turn on your last 2 Braincells, you would understand that this joke came from my own experience recommending foss software to people.
It doesn't read like a joke; that's why you're getting downvoted. You should probably edit it to say that's a better comment for the fourth panel. The way you worded it, it sounds like that's your opinion of FOSS software
You won't find a 100% replacement because npp has a bunch of very specific plugins, but often those plugins would be unnecessary on Linux because you already have other utilities that perform those jobs. You don't need a plugin to ssh into a server to edit files when you've got sshfs for example.
On the subject of Foss and AI - one of the G summer of code projects is about integrating an AI voice platform into Neochat and I'm somewhere between bemused and amused by the lack of reaction from de KDE/Plasma community
That's the neat thing about open source: you can change it!
It's like the difference between renting and owning. When you rent, you can't really do much. If you own, if you don't like the wall color, paint it! Or tear it down, or DON'T replace the carpets! Or take a hammer and put holes in the wall to see what's inside.
And, because it's digital, you can make a million copies or delete them! It's like a holodeck! You do what you want. It serves you!
i’m still mad at np++ for the version that supported the french media outlet that was an attack victim. not for that but for sneaking in an auto-typing text tab that looked SO MUCH like a virus especially since it was not in the original release notes.
Yeah the dev is notorious for sneaking in irrelevant political virtue signaling bullshit. I get that they want to do good to the world, but there are so many ways to do that without alienating your users. For example, partnering up with a charity. You know. Like VIM does.
My dude, you can be mad at AI and use a FOSS alternative - best of both worlds
Yea, not everything is a binary choice.
What people really want is to not have to change anything - neither about their lives, nor about themselves.
They want to live in a perpetual 2005 where Windows is forever usable and still just an operating system. Where they feel happy and comfortable in their environment and their skills and abilities.
And I get that, because I feel it too.
But sometimes you have to change yourself, in order to change your world.
I mean if you’re dead set on it you can get a lot of modern things running on windows xp, chromium browsers, dx10/11 games, discord, etc. it’s a nightmare and you’ll have a ton of headaches (especially with the dx10/11 stuff, apparently, I’ve never tried any of this) but it’s possible
There are also hacked/modified XP builds floating around based off the source code leaks that backport some of the modern Windows OS features.
Still not an "easy" experience though.
At that point just use Mint. Isn't it designed to feel like Windows 7?
Anything to avoid using linux, eh?
I mean to be clear I don’t do it. The only computer I run xp on is an old tektronik mainframe that only has lan access and needs proprietary software to work that only runs on xp
I don’t really count that though since i literally only use it for the one app that allows the logic analyzer and oscilloscope cards to work
Feel free to use a 20 year old distro that never updated.
u might even say its a nonbinary choice laugh track
Please use different formatting for emphasis and non-speech. I recommend escaping the asterisks with backslashes for the latter.
whata wrong with asterisks? they made the text italic as i wanted it to be
The way you wrote it, there is no formatting distinction between emphasis (nonbinary) and stage directions (laugh track). I suggest you use something else for one of these, preferably the latter:
Except for... context? I'm constantly annoyed by grammar/spelling online and even I say you're going too far.
When it comes to computing, technically everything is a binary choice.
except for encryption
I wanted to disagree with you. But I also wanted a sandwich.
This is Lemmy, which is a byproduct of Reddit, and both of them have generally devolved into worlds of black and white only, although here tends to at least still have some nuance.
::: spoiler spoiler safsafsafsafd :::
It's catching, I tell you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znG1SKGeDj8
Have you met end users before?
Too many times.
Unpopular opinion, but it's also fine to hate having AI being added to a tried and true industry standard. FOSS is great, and I use many FOSS programs, but it's often a decade behind in features, compatibility, & stability.
Or you can use AI and FOSS - optimization of both worlds!
I don't want hallucinations and lies in my open source
It wouldn't be used to fact check you know.
I rather like AI to fold my proteins.
AI is for lying to investors that your company is going to turn a profit in a few years. FOSS projects don't need that.
Try to separate the AI hype from AI.
AI has been around for years and we all utilize the results of that research.
Remember that at one time a compiler was seen as AI.
It's the curse of AI: once a problem is solved, it's no longer AI. It just becomes a tool, and we adjust what "intelligence" means to exclude the new abilities of computers and code.
Even LLMs have value, just not how they're being used. If you carefully curate the training materials, you could have a useful tool.
I'd love to see an LLM trained exclusively on medical records of patients who were successfully diagnosed and treated. I wouldn't want to give it a medical license, but it could be a useful tool in the hands of a competent physician. It might turn out to be useless, but we need to try it.
Stop referring to LLMs as AI for starters
Why? On what basis?
LLMs are AI as much as the enemies in a game are AI. It's not General AI though, which companies really seem to want people to believe it is.
It was kind of OK to refer to enemies as AI back then because not a single human (or investor) truly believed that a bot in CS can write text, paint an image, or replace you at your job. Now misusing the term leads to an unnecessary dangerous confusion.
Robotic Arms with AI have been taking over jobs well before LLMs were a thing.
Why are the robots making art? Why are the humans packing the boxes?…
Because development of mechanical devices does not hype investors nearly as much
Put googly eyes on the robot and name it Steve. Tell investors it's intelligent. Tell them you can have sex with it. You'll have so much money.
CLANK CLANK CLANK
Crunch
YYYYEEEEEOOOOOCCCHHHH
It's a bit less about that, and a bit more about the fact that real robots cost a lot, require incredible investment upfront, and the results are very physical, it's very hard to dupe idiots into believing you achieved something great when you wasted all the money.
Look how easily everyone swallowed the llm bullshit, and how hard it is for Elongated Muskrat to convince everyone that his people in cosplay suits are totally robots you guys.
in a society that values the worker an invention that relieves work would be lauded.
capitalist society doesn't value the worker, it values the product.
as fas as capitalism is concerned people are just inefficient machines with annoying things like "rights" and "feelings"
MO: Make high cost human low cost human
Because hardware is more difficult to develop than software.
Exactly, we should focus on the highest paid jobs first! Automate the bankers and executives!
You could replace the reactor core of a small nuclear plant with Lemmy users hearing the letters "AI".
It's one thing to think AI is poor quality in some tasks, but some users act like AI is personally assaulting them every morning as they wake up for work and pissing in their coffee.
Generative AI in different forms is more than just a poor quality tool. Image generators are being used to create fair pornography of real people. People are replacing actual mental health techniques with ChatGPT reaffirming every single one of their internal biases and making their problems worse. Employers are using metric shit tons of natural resources to generate "no you can't take the day off" emails, and people are generating AI summaries of AI generated presentations and saying they've learned something.
And if the human impact doesn't appeal to you, all the financial capital being poured into NVidia and OpenAI and all of this other rubbish could be solving real problems.
Can you name a single technology or human endeavour that doesn't have negative side effects or potential for abuse?
The rise of anti-AI sentiment isn't based on objective measurements of societal harms, it's a meme because it's new and popular and, like all memes, some people feed on the outrage-based reinforcement generated by social media interactions.
I'm not saying that there are no problems with AI. I'm saying that people are treating it as if it were a massive problem because their perception is warped by social media.
I believe there are significant downsides to AI because of my understanding, not because the internet has told me to. The flip side of this conversation is people who do not understand, or choose to downplay, the downsides and who inflate the benefits through ignorance or vested interest. Of course all change has to be balanced against both good and bad consequences but to me it reads as though you are discounting valid criticism of AI as groupthink, when just as much happens in the opposite direction.
You sure your understanding isn't even a little bit based on things the internet told you?
Like, did you get all your knowledge about AI from offline?
Because I highly doubt it. Especially since you are on Lemmy on a post about AI.
Sure, discourse I've read on social media has encouraged me to go and do further reading and educate myself. You got me?
I'm fuming!!
"We've been using this reactor to power the AI, but the more we use it the weaker it becomes!"
I like ai, but only when its doing something actually helpful, not making 'art'
Sometimes you're in the feelings phase, not the solutions phase.
Underrated comment
I would be happy if more and normal people were actually mad at ai.
Normal people are losing themselves in AI. I’ve seen multiple instances of people using LLM to fact check someone. Endless “uhh, but I asked ChatGPT and it said blablabla” making me lose faith in humanity.
Yeah it's become impossible to have philosophical discussions, although this truly does seem limited to the virtual world (i.e. via text, online, etc.). If I were to go have some drinks with a friend and they busted out some LLM to take part in our discussion I would chastise them endlessly for it.
Honestly its not much different from a google search and reading some nonsense written by someone who has no authority in the subject. As long as it reinforces their belief itll be true in their eyes
I would be happy with more nuanced takes on AI.
Instead of just "All AI is worse than the devil and is killing babies" or "All AI is the pinnacle of humanity and is the next step in our evolution".
LLMs have a place, but it is not in every product imaginable.
When someone can produce an LLM that doesn't use more power than entire small nations to spew out bullshit, then we can start inviting nuance. Unfortunately, we have to be pragmatic here; and the consequences of lots of GenAI are way worse than returning to no GenAI.
Obviously, this doesn't include pattern recognition or protein folding AI.
That also misses the point. If we want to pull the world out of poverty and into prosperity we're going to need an astonishing amount of power. The only key is to make power that is sustainable so that things requiring a lot of power aren't given a second thought. The thing you're mad at are massive corporations putting the cart waaaaaay before the horse. And yes, please be mad at them for that.
Local LLMs are a thing, so why don't you start with your nuance, hmm?
Is it because LLMs are worse than the devil and are killing babies?
That local LLM?
Still uses that power. Still used the power for training. Still exploited workers. Swing and a miss.
Fingers crossed it'll end up like crypto. Here to stay in the world of finance, no longer in every product that never needed it.
Wait who doesn't already use Notepad++? It's even part of the standard install image at my job, and we have MS365 accounts already
Me because I use Sublime Text
I use nvim, btw
I use vintage vim, fucks hard on my arch (which I use btw)
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well
Real talk. I'm beyond an amateur, mainly doing super simple scripts for low power sbc's to output an I or 0, and even during my ~1hour learning process every video uses np++.
Son, I was using Emacs before Notepad++ even existed.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Oh shit, I looked it up and it's literally true. Notepad++ was first released in 2003 and I'm pretty sure I used Emacs for the first time in 2002.
:::
Some FOSS software has been adding gen-AI to itself recently, particularly where it requires you to get an API key from Gemini, OpenAI or Claude.
I don’t mind that they can do it so long as it serves those users who want that feature.
Notepad++ is just, a top tier app
TBH, tech companies showing AI down our throats is still no good, open-source alternative existing or not.
DRM wasn't good either, tech companies are just really creative at making their products worse.
I'm chill with the amount of ai duckduckgo has, because its not in your face and it can be easily disabled.
Yeah but duckduckgo has loads of adds now, too
last I checked you can disable that? or has that changed?
at least its not more than Google
You can do VSCode, which is FOSS, contains integrated AI, and you can even complain about Micro$oft at the same time as a bonus!
VSCodium
Kate
Microsoft is attacking the forks
Still got the AI, but at least no Microsoft telemetry.
VSCode isn't foss (like Chrome)
In fact to add to this, VSCode downloaded binary from microsoft is not at all FOSS. I use VSCodium which doesn't push AI
Some of the plugins are not foss
I like Kate better. It is also a lot faster to open.
Modern computing is a steaming pile of other horse's horseshit in my living room
Not if you use linux. I'm happier than ever about my computing.
People are allowed to want what they're comfortable with to not be riddled with llms
A more credible response would be
The FOSS understander has entered the chat
If you would actually turn on your last 2 Braincells, you would understand that this joke came from my own experience recommending foss software to people.
It doesn't read like a joke; that's why you're getting downvoted. You should probably edit it to say that's a better comment for the fourth panel. The way you worded it, it sounds like that's your opinion of FOSS software
We are on lemmy. If I would have something against Foss, I wouldnt be here in the first place
I was going to suggest Zed but it has Ai as well now
They don't shove it in your face though, they just offer a possibility of integrating AI through external services.
A button for AI in Notepad as seen in the image doesn’t seem like shoving in your face either
What are good Notepad++ alternatives that run natively on Linux?
I'd say Kate
Kate is great. I even use it on Windows instead of n++
You won't find a 100% replacement because npp has a bunch of very specific plugins, but often those plugins would be unnecessary on Linux because you already have other utilities that perform those jobs. You don't need a plugin to ssh into a server to edit files when you've got sshfs for example.
Anyway you can use Geany on Gnome or Kate on KDE.
Depends on what you want to do. I'm a dirty vim user and use nvim in the terminal. There are a lot of text editors though.
Kate is grate
While regular Notepad is badd.
If its the ui you are looking for there is notepadqq
There are better text editors. Swearing by that one is kind of a joke.
I use Zed Editor on a daily basis even though they push AI in it (it's purely opt-in, thankfully)
For alternative software, I usually ask AlternativeTo : https://alternativeto.net/software/notepad-plus-plus/?platform=linux&license=opensource
Edit: Some people seem to disagree and I'd like to know if it's related to Zed, AI in Zed or AlternativeTo, thanks in advance!
A must-be joke: vim
And seriously, Sublime
Notepad++'s performance is one of the main reasons I run it under Wine despite the filesystem annoyances. VSCodium is not not nearly as responsive.
Geany
On the subject of Foss and AI - one of the G summer of code projects is about integrating an AI voice platform into Neochat and I'm somewhere between bemused and amused by the lack of reaction from de KDE/Plasma community
What if the open source software is forcing people to see AI?
Fork!
Fork people who come up with it right in the hand.
Comment it out
Bold of you to assume it hasn't been bought, sued or destroyed by MS, Amazon, Google or Meta by that time.
That's the neat thing about open source: you can change it!
It's like the difference between renting and owning. When you rent, you can't really do much. If you own, if you don't like the wall color, paint it! Or tear it down, or DON'T replace the carpets! Or take a hammer and put holes in the wall to see what's inside.
And, because it's digital, you can make a million copies or delete them! It's like a holodeck! You do what you want. It serves you!
Yup, fucking captured it!
It's all fun and games until ai is mad at you
i’m still mad at np++ for the version that supported the french media outlet that was an attack victim. not for that but for sneaking in an auto-typing text tab that looked SO MUCH like a virus especially since it was not in the original release notes.
Yeah the dev is notorious for sneaking in irrelevant political virtue signaling bullshit. I get that they want to do good to the world, but there are so many ways to do that without alienating your users. For example, partnering up with a charity. You know. Like VIM does.