Carney's Liberal party wins Canadian election and completes a stunning turnaround fueled by Trump
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It wasn't by a large margin.. Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don't find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It's not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it's time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
Certainly there's a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don't see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you'd expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it's concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It's not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
There's strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
But splitting the vote isn't an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that's still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
I don't think the answer to the corrupting influence of America's rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What's the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn't perfect, but it's easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloc_Qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with "progressive" politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
That is the sad thing.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
Narrowly.
Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.
No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.
Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau's latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?
Great result for today's Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.
I would point out though that a CPC win would have been a terrifying result for future AND current Canadians. So I guess that's a small win?
Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.
It's after a full decade of Liberal rule. Do you know how hard it is to win after that long being blamed for everyone's problems? This is huge.
And damning for Poilievre. He not only had the opportunity to win by banging on the usual triad of "time for a change", "we need to unleash the economy", and "tax relief" but he lost his seat in the process. It's easy to point at the gains the conservatives made, but losing at all after a decade of having another party in place, especially in very difficult times, is impressive. Even if he isn't ousted or doesn't step down, he may be seen by the electorate as incapable of bringing home a win.
Look, we've had the liberals for ten years now. Theyve won 4 elections at this point. It's amazing they won anything at all this time.
Justin fatigue was real. Carney coming in, demolishing the only thing the conservative dingdongs were campaigning about and just being overall a very respectable candidate turned things around. Along with the orange monkey down there.
It was still waaaaaaay too close
Considering the massive lead the conservatives once had it isn’t really ‘that’ close. Liberal gains were astonishing once Carney entered the ring.
40%+ of voters still went for pp. That's too high, and with our shitty fptp, it made it worse
I don't know thats its too high especially of it was going to be much more than that if not for Trump's threats, Trudeau's resignation and Carney's ascension.
I believe it to be. It should be a race between the Libs and the ndp
Too close from whose perspective?
The liberals had no business winning this election. All metrics pointed to a conservwtive land slide until Trump got involved and Carney seemingly handled him better than Trudeau.
Carney is going to have to perform above average in his first term otherwise the liberals will be absolutely decimated in 4 years.
This is borrowed time. Even an average performance now will guarantee Poilievre a win in 4 years. The Liberals are going to have to get more done in 4 years than they have in the past 10 to prevent that.
Mine,
Conservatives policies aren't beneficial for the average Canadian. 40% of people voting against, their, and my best interests is not something I like. The cons and pp don't care about climate change. That affects all of us,they want more American style Healthcare, that affects all of us. They want to lower taxes, great! Where do they get the money to do that? By cutting our services.
It was mostly Trump. American polls did something similar after 9/11, the candidates involved just put it over the top.
What do you mean "narrowly"? It's a clean victory and the trumpist conservative leader lost his own riding.
Liberals projected to hold a slim minority, the NPD was all but annihilated, Liberals will be forced to reach across the isle and work with the BQ.
Are the Bloc easier to work with than the NDP? history suggests no.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement. This is a good result for those of us who don't trust a banker to not sell out the working class.
Or a less formal agreement, if there is no appetite for a similar arrangement as last time.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
The thing is, the Liberals are in a good enough position that they can maintain power with the support of the BQ or the NDP. This gives them some leverage if they tried to play the two parties against each other, and the NDP may be more willing to help given their low head count. Maintaining relevance could be a strong motivating factor. All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus. If he is able to, it will lead to more stability for our country in troubled times and would be a promising indicator of a change to PR electoral reform, which would also cement greater power for Liberals while opening the path for more social progress for Canadians. I'm not optimistic, but a non-career politician may be more inclined in that direction than most others.
As I understand it, that has been how he has operated in his previous roles.
Or a more formal agreement. I've heard some complaining about not having any NDP ministers, but I don't know if that's mainstream.
Eh, it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch. Now's not the time to risk that.
I doubt they'll try to topple the government until the threat of Trump is neutralized. Or at least significantly muted. They have a common goal with the rest of the country on that issue.
Plus, what's their warchest look like at the moment?
Yeah, I don't know for sure. I was going off of what Chantal said on CBC, but the again she though the last government would be short lived, too.
Not quite. There's still enough polls left to report that could lead to a Liberal majority, even if that doesn't happen (it's quite unlikely), then current projections are that the NDP will have enough seats to support the minority government, even though the Bloc will hold more seats overall than the NDP.
lol suck it conservaturds.
thank you, canada, for not following america's path to ruin.
Yet. Stay vigilant
Ironically, Trudeau hanging around for a long as he did may have saved Canada. If this election had happened in the middle of last year, the Conservatives would have probably won and combined with Trump, it would have been a disaster. Possibly the smartest/luckiest thing he has ever done.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the role of the dice.
in this case it was the early voter turnout and the special ballots that really lifted it. And we cannot ever forget Bloc. They did a huge push on this one. No one hates Trump quite as much as Quebecois and they showed it 20 fold. Quite a ride watching all this. Especially what with the cyber attacks on the PM during this short campaign was relentless as was the propaganda radios. It honestly should be a case study on how out of control the propaganda was getting on X and facebook.
Trump made Québécois what Canadians themselves couldn't do, make Québécois more Canadian.
Cannot believe I'm living in an era where Alberta is more separatist than Quebec.
Watching them sing the anthem full-throated during the 4 nations was a sight to behold.
A common threat forces people together.
In Canada, the US, and the UK, yeah. In countries with good elections, things are a little more deterministic.
Idk if you're a nerd, but Brian Klass is a contemporary political scientist who actually challenges this, and yet still affirms a determinist lense. His latest book is on his chaos theory that I think can be helpful navigating our current world.
Here's his big think interview if you're interested!
One way to think of this is that we can't predict the future with what we know of the past because the "rules" are constantly changing. One example is an academic paper that was written that said middle eastern dictatorships were especially stable in comparison to others, but then a year later the Arab Spring occurs. His take is that the author wasn't wrong- based on all the information of the past it made sense that these dictatorships were not going away anytime soon, but what happened was the world changed making those assumptions moot.
So the idea that European democracies are inherently stable isn't necessarily a given, and as our world is drastically changing, our tools to gauge the health of a democracy are becoming less and less relevant.
I'm happy for you Canada.
You succeeded where America couldn't.
Are y'all accepting asylum for programmers / tech professionals?
If you're serious, start looking for companies hiring up here. As I understand it's not easy, even for economic class immigrants, but I work in tech and I work with many immigrants (albeit not usually from the US, but it's a different world now). Mind you - please look carefully into the financial impacts as it is a change from the US. Salaries are lower and taxes generally higher, which may or may not be offset in your context in other ways (healthcare a big one, income tax deductions, etc.) But many people, myself included, prefer Canada regardless of the reduced compensation. It's not always about money.
Asylum, not yet. There's still a treaty on the books recognising America as equivalently safe. Presumably it will get rolled back soon.
If you're serious, I can send you to the points quiz for economic immigrants.
What happens when a 'safe third country' starts adopting extractionary systems left behind by colonial empires that have, in part, held back third world economies for decades? Keep an eye on America to find out!
I'm sure America's substantial purchasing power will help prevent the rot from spreading within. Right? Right?!
I'd very much appreciate any correspondence you have on the matter. Thank you!
It's actually gotten really complicated lately, sorry about that. Here's the quiz for express entry: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score.html
Generally speaking, the highest-scoring applicants get in first. If that fails, maybe there’s some niche provincial program or something, but you’ll probably need to hire an immigration lawyer to have a chance of figuring it out. Here's a link I found on the other options.
If you do get let in, I recommend driving up in an RV. The housing market in Canada is still really fucked, and that’s a decent fallback option. Winter-safe ones exist, but I also see people building little insulated enclosures, and if you can manage to afford BC it's not much of an issue there anyway.
Honestly, slums themselves meet that description. People who don't need them just dislike having to look at or think about them, which is hella elitist.
You know, the actual quantitative evidence is pretty strong that particular market is competitive. If anything, being a landlord is a relatively bad investment of a million dollars. I fully expect that if the NIMBYs don't derail it, more supply will end the problem.
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
thankfully our 2 party preferred polls look almost the identical to canadas!
I’m still terrified.
Australians have a bad habit of falling for those kind of dog whistle tactics.
yeah it’s way closer than it has any right to be that’s for sure
Luckily we have preferential and compulsory voting.
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc's help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party's more progressive policies.
That's our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can't even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc's help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat's help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It's called the Vote of Non Confidence
It's probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it's the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It's pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
Not as wacko as in the US, but they had some weird new age candidates at some point.
You're conveniently leaving out the fact that the federal Greens spent the last several years destroying itself through infighting. Remember the leader that was elected to replace the long suffering Elizabeth May who then stole a bunch of money, started a bunch of law suits against the party and then May had to take back over under a joint leadership?
They're a novelty party, not a party of governance.
(I have voted Green several times, but never again in their current arrangement)
Sure, but go check what the US Green party is to compare and you'll realize that the Canadian party isn't so bad
Using "well at least it's not as bad in America" in these contexts is both dismissive of valid criticism and also a staggeringly low bar
But if you go check I was replying to someone asking for a comparison.
"at least it's not a Russian funded spoiler party, right?"
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Generally to the left of the NDP. Kinda unrealistic, TBH, because they don't have to worry about costing it or carrying it through.
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let's get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That's why I said highly improbable. But if they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point. edit: typo
Somehow I don't see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
I don't think Quebec will recognize Trump's rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
The cherry on top:
Little PP got his ass kicked. I love it !
I don't know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
No one actually "runs for Prime Minister". The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don't have to be.
Thank you! I understand now.
Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a
functional democracymulti-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you're already the party leader then you're sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the electionAs a dumbass American... Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Not the flying kind!
I'll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn't actually give a shit about canada (unless they're told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they'll just forget. Like they've all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how 'canada is killing the US garment industry' that one was cute...). At this point he's got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he's declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada's new government is willing to play ball. If they're not willing to kiss Trump's ass and give America the preferential treatment that he's trying to extort from the country, there's going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me "Canada is taking advantage of us" campaign, I reckon.
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
Sky news spin: haha, Carney was actually Trump's win! I can't make this shit up (but apparently Sky news can...)
Daddy hasn't told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don't know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it's pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don't know what to say without him.
You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.
It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.
I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don't know if titling this as "Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months" is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It's sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I'm wrong
It’s an analysis piece, an interesting or provocative headline is the thing to have.
People really have forgotten how to read news media in the past few years.
Is just treat any US and UK news outlet as the Onion these days.
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I'm not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP's contribution.
Same as universal health care... it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.
Without the NDP, our Liberals suck... which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won't be around)
I'm hopeful that it really is just a temporary thing given the Trump situation and with a new leader and that behind us (might take more than 1 term of course) that they'll be able to come back stronger and make the Liberals advance things they wouldn't otherwise again. Also you never know, maybe they'll get some leverage with the current set up, but seems less likely for this term.
Agreed... I only vote Liberal when I believe the Conservatives are getting dangerous and the Liberals have a chance to beat them.
I will continue to support the NDP with my vote and wallet in the future
A lot of voters aren't aware. If it's not being blasted on repeat by a news channel, then at least 50% of the electorate has no idea what's happening. We're also so inundated with American politics that Canadian news gets drowned out as well.
"if I'm not mistaken"
That's how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn't sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau's hand on that question.
Yeah, I was 95% sure it was an NDP mandate, but I also have an awful memory so I was open to being corrected.
Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
Because he is a weasel... he was in opposition for almost 3 years against Trudeau when Trudeau was toxic and PP was unable to make ONE meager alliance with nobody. We have Jagmeet to thanks because, like me, he could not stomach a PP majority
Electoral Reform will be passed this time.... right?
Of course it will .... hahahahaha
It was not in the platform. I'll settle for staying sovereign, maybe we can clean up FPTP later.
This is why I left Canada.
Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
I can but they won't let my friends in. I didn't realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
You'd have to build new roots in a new place. I'll admit I worry that I'm running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
Makes me feel pretty depressed. I'm not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
I'm feeling the same way. I've been mostly "stuck" in wherever I just ended up. Part of me really does fantasize about fleeing somewhere better, especially being in a part of the US with an absolutely abysmal education record (and it shows. Oh boy.)
But besides the resources, I don't have some ultra compelling reason for a non-volatile nation to bother letting me in.
There's cool people here, and I try to get along with whomever, but forming relationships feels really high stakes these days since contested politics and tribalism is infecting every facet of peoples' lives.
No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.
Canada should give Trump the Order of Canada for unifying the country. Do it.
Having a criminal history would likely make him ineligible.
There's no outright rule against it but several people have been removed from the order for committing crimes.
Fuck you Buffy. Another american scumbag.
Felons aren't allowed in Canada
Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump's talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.
Temu Trump
this outcome has less to do with trump's actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.
I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre's stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world
Long as you're voting against fascists man
Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.
He tried to mimic 2016 2020 trump. And it was palatteable to many
But when the 2025 version came out. It disgusted people
I don't want to vote against anybody. Canada forces such decisions, though, just like the US and the UK.
I don't know that 'Conservative' exists anymore. I'm American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.
Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both 'teams' wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.
You may identify as conservative, little 'c', respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.
There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is 'liberal' wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I'm paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.
This has been my experience as well and I'd like to highlight your insightful point on how it seemed like both options were still trying to work towards a greater good decades ago.
Modern day conservatism seems entirely based on the ethos that inclusivity has gone too far. Since the world has become (in a very general and oversimplfying sense) more fair and inclusive over time, the ideology now feels inherently regressive.
The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.
Really, Mark Carney is what a conservative used to be. These days people who identify as "conservative" are internet weirdos that stress over "wokeness" and whichever conspiracy theory is popular on the internet on that day.
Explain how they gained more seats then.
The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.
We'll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.
That'll be important. We'll also see how Canadians react to the atrocities the USA will commit in the next 4 years too however.
Genuine question, what initially led you to wanting to vote conservative and what could they have run on for you to have stuck with then?
Hopefully Britain follows Canadas footsteps (as we might vote in wish trump)
Please, he's Pound-Stretcher Trump. Not even Poundland would stock him.
What elections are coming up in the UK? I thought Starmer won a majority just last year.
no, but local elections are
You do your local elections all at once?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_Kingdom_local_elections
I wish the reaction to Trump would fuel the left-liberals/social libertarians in Germany. Instead, a quarter of the populace wants to vote for nazis. So I wish I'd live in Canada or some other queer friendly nation that isn't being dominated by the far right right now.
We almost went far right too. Our conservatives aren't nazis but if they won this one we would be following Germany's footsteps
Also Germany is likely more queer friendly than Canada lol
According to international orgs, Canada is more queer friendly in both public sentiment and legally. Just because violence isnt too common doesn't mean there is no discrimination. As an androgynous presenting person 50% of the time, I have been verbally assaulted plenty of times both by far right and MLs in Germany.
Ever been to Canada? You'd be welcomed in Vancouver Calgary Toronto Montreal but go to a smaller place and you'd be in for a rough time
One anecdote: Trans people do exist in rural Canada. The woman who sold me tires outside Saskatoon was I’m-pretty-sure-maybe-definitely trans and gave every appearance of getting along fine with her coworkers.
I can’t speak to her quality of life generally but anyway nobody has chased her off to Vancouver yet. I would imagine tire shops are probably on the worse end for harassment so if Saskatoon was hell on earth for trans people she probably wouldn’t pick a tire shop to work at.
Lol just because she gets along with her coworkers doesn't mean she doesn't deal with shit. I would bet money she does in SK.
Some in Germany. Though there are even larger cities that aren't very queer friendly in Germany, especially in the east.
Well that's bullshit. And I'm from rural Alberta
I'm from rural Alberta too and I was bullied heavily just for having long hair. Honestly fuck rural Alberta.
Fully automatic gay space luxury communism tyvm
Because the "left liberals" in Germany are also Nazis arguing that Israel is allowed to kill civilians in Gaza.
Honestley, I was going to vote conservative, even after Trump. And then Pollievre went into third gear with Woke Derangement Syndrome, the guy was having unhinged rants. Couldn't get a paragraph out without mentioning woke. Ask him to define it, and he'd either PP.EXE stop responding, or he'd fly off the handle with pre-programmed slogans.
Stupid people on both sides of the race. But that was what turned me.
I'm curious, what attracted you to the Conservatives prior to the Maple-MAGA movement?
the last 4 elections I'd voted L > C > C > L
Im a moderate. I thought that the Trudeau Liberals had gone too far left back during the Scheer and Otoole days. Come this time around, I just lost any confidence I had in the Conservative party because they built their identity on "we're not the liberals". and failed to convince me they werent just going to kowtow to American Corpo-Fascist interests.
But if you would have asked me about specific policies that irked me to turn Conservative during the past .. its been a long time, I'd probably just point to specific times and incidents over the gun policy, immigration, corruption with the SNC lavalin scandal, and maybe foreign policy. I live in a very ignorant and uneducated town in a NS riding that had been pretty hardcore conservative the last 2-3 elections, and my peers probably played a hand in influencing my issues. I thought our riding was solidly going to remain Conservative, CTV projected Cons won, but several hours later they reversed it and Libs have apparentley won it.
Foreign Policy has always been a major "issue" of mine too, Until 2025 when we were faced with the nonzero possibility of actual aggression and conflict with America, the biggest thing that would influence my vote was how seriously the party was going to take the issue of us being more or less, de-facto at war with Russia, Because the "shadow" World War III is something that in my mind took precedent.
Not the original commentor, but the people I've discussed this with usually say one of 4 things. These aren't necessarily my views, just what I've heard from others:
The left has dropped the ball on crime. Official lefty party lines on crime, of tolerating criminals, doesn't resonate with ordinary people.
The right has created a wedge issue, and exploited it with Twitter trolls and paid shills. We'd be better off doing what Australia did, and ban almost everything.
The right sees it as building more housing, and think it is a simple fix. A small proportion of progressive voices see it as a complex issue of finance and trying to remove corporate ownership of residential stock. The subtle arguments have a hard time being heard.
I've given up mostly, the planet will burn. Our species is too stupid, eventually we'll go extinct. Climate will degrade, wars will escalate, and sooner or latter someone will push The Button.
Conservatives made significant inroads, lots of people in Ontario and Atlantic Canada that heard and liked the anti-woke messaging. I don't know how to bring these people around, and am frightened that there are so many of them. Over 40% of the popular vote.
Certainly doesn't bode well. Carney is going to actually have to make a real impact in the next 4 years or the next election will be a landslide for the conservatives. This is borrowed time for the liberals.
4 years might as well be a lifetime in politics.
NDP don't want an election right now, they don't have a leader.
PP has no seat, there will be no by-election anytime soon. What happens to the conservatives in the next few weeks, infighting? Trump is a total wildcard, the next month sometime will have to be done with tariffs as basic goods start to dwindle. Not to mention all the wars going on in the world, or have a chance of breaking out (India/Pakistan).
That is a 100% new word to me. 😐
I don't know why, it's a perfectly cromulent word.
My vocabulary is embiggened.
Why 😐?
Congratulations on learning a new word.
Thanks!
I wanted a wide-eyed closed-mouth emoji, lol. After viewing on firefox mobile, however, it looks unintentionally aloof.
I can see how it looks that way, but I think Candletiger was sincere.
I was sincere about the congratulations but only offered them because I thought you were complaining that the news shouldn’t use fancy words. lol.
I’m glad we were all able to talk this out.
trumpulence
Mark Carnage
An absolute Carnageddon for PP
HitlerPig is his own worst enemy, but nobody tell him.
NDP and Conservative leaders lost their own ridings.
NDP leader already announced he's stepping down and I feel like the conservative has to as well.
Go Canada!!
You can predict what likely happens next: more neoliberal policies and degradation of quality of life. In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
This is my fear as well. Neoliberal policies are exactly what have made the extreme right so strong and powerful over the past decades. When people have no means to get forward in life, they resort to despotism, which is exactly why the poorest parts of the USA are so strongly in favor of Trump, while the wealthier parts are still clinging onto the liberal train.
Like I said in other posts, this is a good day for the current term, but if the Liberals aren't serious about making life better for real Canadians (not the super-wealthy ones), there's a good chance that this is only exacerbating an inevitable collapse.
This is the part a lot of US liberals are missing. Those red states are shit holes now. Look bombed out and war torn because industry left and took the money with them, and they were thriving 40 years ago.
A wiser human than me could probably find a way to incentivise companies moving headquarters out of high cost of living areas to more rural areas where rent isn't half your paycheck.
The 'rust belt' is over 40 years old now. Places like Detroit have started to stabilize.
The high cost of living is everywhere. Capital moves in the blink of an eye, setup a company in a small town and it'll be bought up and rented out before lunch.
I think ultimately we need to design an economic system that allows less work and less consumption. You want those outsourced jobs to come back but done by robotics. Coming back to stop needing to ship them halfway across the world, wasting energy. But we need to have a clear(er) vision to what we want to transition to. Like a partially planned and circular economy that covers the basic needs (food, living space, education, news, healthcare) for everyone for free. Otherwise there is nothing to believe in.
At least we stopped Maple MAGA from taking over now... we learned this one trick from the Americans
Mark "100 million by 2100" Carney
Kay? If the infrastructure is there what does it matter?
Immigrants = scary 🥺
Cons seriously need to come up with new talking points, trying to paint Carney as some kind of WEF great replacement agent clearly wasn't a winning strategy.
Narrator: the infrastructure was not there
Voted liberal, ndp, and green my whole life btw, and spent a decade as a public servant; im not a hate filled person who shits on immigrants, I just want responsible immigration policy, and McKinsey Consulting is evil.
Not there in 75 years? You must be clairvoyant.
The Canadian population rose by almost 20% in the last 5 years. The infrastructure we currently have was not ready for irresponsible immigration policy, and these things need to be done in coordination. I can't predict the future, but I'm sayin' my political concerns lie in this decade, not the next century.
Bad immigration policy also fuels distain towards immigrants, and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that's a bad thing
Yes
And you're right to say we have housing issues. Getting rid of rent control was a poor choice in ontario. Corporate landlords are another. We have many vacant homes in Canada that should be filled. There are many things that need to change, and I am hopeful that these changes can be made before canada had 100 million in population
It isn't? Drive by Hamilton or any other GTA city, shits unreal how expensive housing is and homeless is more pronounced post-covid since they opened the flood gates and reduced CRS requirements so that anyone with a pulse could get in. They only back pedalled now on resuming policies they had pre-covid, but the damage is already done...
They want 100m by the end of the century no? You don't think we can build infrastructure to support that in 75 years? I wasn't saying now
No I dont think so, because I have lost faith in provincial governments actually realizing that goal. They cater to nimbys and the status quo
Well, with climate change warming stuff up, we will build on the old permafrost i guess
Yeah neoliberals... the reason they want that is to get cheap laborers. Can't believe they are so brazen about it.
You know, we could do better. 150 seems reasonable.
This feels like a short-term win but a long-term loss. Carney is a centrist, a former banker that's in to a lot of conservative ideas. He feels like Biden 2.0, the conservatives only losing because of Trump's unhinged rantings. MAGA-ism has gained a huge foothold in Canada, and turning to a do nothing centrist is only going to do so much.
Fiscal conservative ideas, maybe.
Socially he's relatively liberal. Maybe not quite as much as Trudeau, but nowhere near what the CPC has become.
We don't need fiscal conservatism right now either. People are suffering and they've been told to tighten their belts too many times.
He sounds like he's ready to spend on capitol projects at the moment.
In his book he calls for government spending on capital projects in order to kick-start private investment in expanding their businesses (and payrolls, ultimately leading to more employees in better paid jobs and therefore at a higher taxable level)
Look, that's great in the short term, but after what we've seen in the last 30 years, I don't know how anyone can put any faith in private investment anymore. We've had 2 market crashes, at least 2 instances of severe real estate value depression, Vishna knows how many bailouts and what to show for it? Look at the telecoms in (frankly, anywhere, they're all shit) the US - for a decade they put a surcharge on every single bill that was supposed to help them expand high-speed internet to all parts of the country, not to mention the billions of dollars the federal government provided. The result? Rural areas are still on dialup!
Trump didnt cause the Conservatives to lose, they did that themselves with how they acted in spite of how Conservatives across the world were acting... and the fact that most of their platform revolved around just screaming "we're not the liberals, we're not trudeau"
they acted with an extreme amount of entitlement. that because the liberals had ruined the country for 10 years, it was now their turn. couple that with a lot of snide, childish shitposting, and an absolute bombardment of anti-trudeau ads and rhetoric, they basically bullied trudeau out of office, and once he was gone, they didnt have a platform anymore.
then enter the Trump , Trade war, and threats of Invasion shit. The conservatives basically waffled during this foreign policy crisis that pissed a lot of people off. the reality had changed and a lot of people felt like bringing a party that was polluted with the far right, was now no longer tenable.
I'm totally okay with taking a shot on someone who is actually educated and respected as opposed to a career politician.
Many Western nations are turning to political outsiders out of frustration with the status quo. Conservatives and the far right have more effectively tapped into that underlying desire and capitalized on it.
Here we have an outsider who isn't a dog whistling regressive populist. That's a huge win for Canada in my book.
Eh. If Trump keeps sending shit our way it will be really easy to succeed against them. You know what happened to the British League of Fascists back in the day?
That's a win to me. Not every one on the left wanted a social left leader. Social issues are important. But the economy right now is the biggest fire.
'Do-nothing centrist'? The guy has been PM for all of two months, and won his first national election on Monday. Maybe give him a few months.
And by the way, he played a key role in orchestrating the bond selloff with the UK, France, and Japan on tariff day that caused Trump to back down. No other PM- none- could have conceived of let alone pulled off that.
yes!!
Carney should send a thank you note to Trump for helping him win the election
Thanks Trump!
Thanking trump, That's another one I didn't have on my bingo card for 2025, this ride is wild!
Coming from a US citizen, Canada, get your people (more) educated. Idk the specifics and exact differences, for example whether or not higher education is publicly funded over there, but I’m talking about simply general awareness and enthusiasm to want to learn. Do like a PR campaign to equate being dumb and ignorant to hating hockey and maple syrup. Also moral education classes wouldn’t hurt (but you guys might be ahead of the US on that anyway).
… sorry?
What the fuck are you talking about dude?
Lol to prevent the creep of conservative fascism in future elections.
I don't know if America is the right place to take advice on that at the moment. Whatever plan is being implemented there has clearly failed profoundly.
Unless you're saying Canada should learn from America's mistakes but the countries are very different so I doubt the lessons would be meaningful.
Kind of a bummer watching how duopolistic Canada is, TBH.
FPTP do be like that. It's actually kind or remarkable we have significant minor parties.
Definitely makes Canada stand out relative to the US, where the choices are bad and apocalyptic bad.
True story.
If coalition governments are more democratic it's crazy how France, Austria, Germany, and Czech Republic (and probably more) all support genocide, prevent protests against it, accuse citizens of being antisemites, and veto attempts by international courts to do something about genocide. But then again, other coalitions like in Belgium can go against the trend.
At least Canada's two party system turned away from Trump. Canadians did better with two parties than other countries can do with 20.
For now. America did the same in 2020, not that it mattered in the end.
Turning away from Trump doesn't matter when you get the same result wrapped in a more polite package.
"Mark Carney" is the perfect name to demonstrate the Canadian "car" vowel. I am going to enjoy saying his name as Canadianly as possible.
Let's hope they are more effective opposition than the Democrats.
Trump. MCGA, making Canada great again! Ironically.
Make Canada 320x200 with 256 colours again!
Most shocking news of 2025
Aight, Canada. Now you owe us!
The delicious irony of watching the CBC announce the Liberals have won a fourth term .....
Defund that you stupid little twerp, guess Canada wasn't broken enough not to see through your stupid bullshit
How does them boots taste like?
Maybe i am reading it wrong, but it seems to be a dig a pp
...yeah totally, was that not obvious?
It was to me lol
It is, PP has been threatening the CBC left and right. The commenter probably should have put his name somewhere in there.
I read it too quickly. My bad :)
It's all good
Better than orange spray tan in the back of my throat...
Sorry bud, I might’ve read your reply a bit too quickly. We’re on the same side, I’m just an idiot
The only thing I didn't like about the liberals is the needless gun control they enact that basically banned almost all semi-auto rifles and halted new sales on handguns.
Of course I want them to fucking solve the housing crisis. Holy shit! Finding a place to stay is insane. They better do that at least.
Lets be honest, hand guns were pretty much banned before. Nobody wants to call the cops twice every time they go shooting.
No they were not. And you didn't need to call the cops to go to the shooting range, it is included in the RPAL.
I'm pretty sure if you were moving the gun, you had to call it in.
https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/firearms-safety-training-transport-and-storage/authorization-transport
Oh, okay. Everyone here just shoots on crown land, so I missed that.
You cannot shoot a restricted anywhere other than an approved shooting range.
Non-restricted weapons have very little control in Canada. This is why a lot of people were pissed at the constant addition of more and more guns. Guns that were non-restricted suddenly became prohibited. These kinds of sweeping bans are not good. Hell we could do away with a lot of bans in canada but just keep the licensing scheme. That is working well enough. There is simply no need to ban semi-autos at all.
I was going to do a deep dive into the legislation to figure out WTF I was remembering here, but it's been kicking around my inbox for a full month now, so I think I have to give up on that.
I don't think I ever laid eyes on one myself, but I did talk to shooting buddies who bought a restricted and then regretted it. I guess it's possible they were just exaggerating, but there definitely was something about having to call movements in.
The legislation we have here does make no sense, although that can cut both ways if you want to own something weird. I never got the PAL myself but I've thought about getting a specific kind of blackpowder musket that would be banned in the 'states.
Why do you think the liberal party refuses to pass the electoral reform they promised? They want you hostage. They want you to be desperate and to give up civil liberties to keep the conservatives at bay.