She was technically right that it was her turn. She won the popular vote. The American people chose her. The only reason she wasn't president, is America isn't a democracy.
If they want to bring him back they gotta go full on dystopian cybernetically augmented leader because that man is one sneeze away from a fatal stroke.
I do not think they will pass a constitutional amendment, so if Trump runs this will end up in court. I would like to see SC struggling to handle Obamas and Trumps case together.
Usually they just ignore the courts and do what they want, but in this case it would be difficult to actually hold a nationwide election, even a sham one, because it would require enough of the states to cooperate and put him on the ballot. The only way he stays in is if he just refuses to leave or if the SCROTUS says that Trump is President for life because reasons.
So, I am not great with numbers, but if we go by electoral college results from 2024 (using 270towin.com), significantly more states voted red in 2024 than blue; 31 red, 19 blue. 20 states have been red since 2000, vs 15 states (and DC) blue since 2000. My point is that the Republicans have an entrenched advantage. Annnnd of course this is why they would fight tooth & nail against reforming the electoral college.
It's (horrifyingly) interesting to consider - what would happen if red states put him on the ballot and blue state didn't because it's clearly unconstitutional? If (when) he "wins," none of those states viewed him as a legitimate choice, so the thin veneer of "rule of law" that might be keeping them from outright revolting now wouldn't exist any more. The Constitution will have proven to mean nothing, so what's to stop states from seceding?
Indeed. I can't even begin to predict what will happen after almost four more years of this. The only thing I know for sure is it will be bad. VERY bad.
Joe really knew how to handle trump. When trump yapped and yapped, Joe basically just went "dang man, can you shut the fuck UP" and it worked for a term 🙏
Sure, but his brain was soup by 2024. That's kinda the main reason people are pissed with the Dems, because they hid this until Joe shit the bed for millions to see — during a debate, no less.
Kamala's campaign was mostly failed by bad advisors: Clinton staffers and James Carville types who hadn't won an election in 20 years, they were the ones who made them triangulate, not break from Biden on policy, and even move to the "middle" by getting the Cheneys to tour with them. They retreated the "weird" attack and "we're not going back" slogan, even as people kept using the former online and chanting the latter at rallies.
They ratfucked her campaign about as hard as Trump is now ratfucking the country.
You're right. Harris would have likely won in 2016. Now everyone's brain is soup from all the mental masturbation caused by the sloppification of media. The tabloids won, in a spiritual sense. Feels like we're in a death cult, or at least that life is a lot cheaper. All the stable democracies on the verge of electing far right psychos, won't be long before we start fighting each other like the good ol' days — and the people will cheer for carnage just to feel something again.
Its the people dude. People ratfucked the country. Not the candidates, not the advisors, not the campaigns, not Biden, not kamala, not DNC. They all did a decent job considering the circumstances they were in. They all reacted the best they could in an unprecedented scenario of a braindead zombie electorate. Its amazing people still can't be bothered with this simple fact.
Nobody wants to be a candidate for the left. Have you seen what we do to people we like. I've seen people here calling Jon Stewart a fascist. We cook our own alive. Republicans have files on every possible candidate. We have no loyalty. Imagine a hockey team where every player physically and verbally abuses every coach they get. At some point nobody wants to coach your team
Damn right we aren't loyal to politicians. Are you looking for a leftist Trump? Jon Stewart is not the "left" so I'm not sure why you're mentioning him at all.
The left is not looking for a coach. We are hiring an employee.
Honestly? They are. America is so right-wing that "The Left" encompasses a wide spectrum of ideologies that would all have their own political parties in Europe. Socialists have as much in common with liberals as liberals do with centrists, yet the Dems expect the first two to vote for them while they try to court the conservative leaning side of the centrists.
And this is why we're never going to win. You're not even playing the game. You're preaching on a pedestal of quick sand. Trying to yell how morally better you are while your sinking is a bad position to be in. Maybe the reason why fascists win is because the opposition continues to act like they're better when you need to break free of your base instinct. Like ants in a death spiral. We all circle tighter and tighter into our groups defensively.
A big part of why they're winning in my opinion is not their appeal but a rejection of the left. And it's becoming clear that maybe that's a smart choice given that the left can't accomplish anything.
No it isn't. Show me an example where the left has won recently?
If the amount of ground lost in the past 10 years isn't a wake up call then you all deserve it. You all keep calling everyone dumb while you're being beat and you refuse to recognize it. You're not losing because they're just good at things. You're losing because you are the dumb ones.
You joke, but can you honestly tell me this place wouldn't be full of people making trolley problem ""arguments"" about the obviously correct choice to make?
One track is made from subgrade steel and has a risk of derailing the trolley. The other is filled with explosives and shrapnel. Do you change the track?
DNC at this point has become a thankless scapegoat. Looking from outside the US, its crazy to see the copium. Which political party in this world can "do its job" when you fking literally elect convicted felons? How tf is it the easiest election when a vast majority dont even care that he is a convicted rapist. Its time to blame the citizens for a change than fuckall. Hitler could have run for election and still lose to Trump and that is saying something. With a democrat base like these commenters here, I don't know why the politicians even bother. Just leave the country for a decade and let it rot.
I'd appreciate if you not engage in this sort of tankie rhetoric. They will not "fumble" if you actually go support them instead of typing behind your .world alt
Your house is on fire and your entire family is trapped inside.
The firefighters ran in to save your wife, and then got scared and ran out again, and she burned to death.
Then they ran in to save your child, but they got hungry and came back out for lunch. Your child burned to death.
Now your baby is dying, and the firefighters want you to help save it. And you've decided to let your baby burn in a fire because you're mad at the firefighters.
No in this comparison the firefighters let the arsonist start the fire and have talked a whole lot about how they are going to save my wife and children, but haven't actually moved inside the house except for one firefighter, who the others admonished for being to radical.
I think people are talking about the spiraling wealth inequality and the resulting economic collapse that nobody in a position of power is interested in admitting exists
Supreme Court loses 9-0. Garcia released from super max. They haven't sent any other migrants to el salvador, yet. Initial wins on dei cases, federal employee cases... etc. I by no means am here to educate you so you can either say your peace and lay off me or I'll just ignore you for forever. Your choice.
You know none of those are "wins" right? Garcia is where? Trump's admin is not following the supreme courts orders (and they seem to not care), They are still rounding up people and putting them in camps and as far as I can tell your federal employees are still fired crippling your government further.
This is just more of the odd "teams" nature of what the usa has become, and now both "teams" are in their own silos reading their own news about how the other side is "losing" all while the free world burns.
Does it weird anyone else out how "centrists" or "moderates" or whatever they want to call themselves need to bash leftists when nobody was even talking about leftists? It feels like an op.
Is this "person" I'm replying to living in the same universe as we are? If this feels like valid criticism to anyone, please go touch some grass and talk to your therapist about it.
I'm neither sure rhat I'm following you or that you understood the person above you, but American proclivities are well known. If we're talking about "the left", I'd be interested in any actual information about whether "the left" did vote for Harris or not, rather than Democrats assuming that anyone critical of them must not have voted.
Isn’t it weird that anyone who disagrees even slightly with you is a “centrist” or worse?
I’m far more left than you are, im merely pointing out that the AMERICAN left is fucked and has become toxic. So no im not living in the same universe as you, the rest of us outside of the U.S are watching the American left in dismay as it becomes a toxic monster (after all its America, it was bound to happen, it’s in the culture) nobody is good enough to be an ally, nobody is left enough, everyone even slightly right or left must be called names, etc. that’s the American left now. You’re inside of it so I’m not surprised you don’t see it
Gee, buddy. Do you really think "American Leftists won't vote for a Black woman" is a "slight" disagreement? Anybody trying to sow division and discord is an op, whatever politics you profess to hold.
If you were a leftist, you might not be so blithe about substituting your insane guesses for my lived experience. You think you have a better understanding of my own politics than I do, while you're telling me that I didn't vote for Kamala because we are the same race. You're goofy AF.
Gee I wonder if that young fella is experienced enough?
Don't worry, he'll have Hillary Clinton as a running mate.
at LAST. it's finally #HerTurn
She was technically right that it was her turn. She won the popular vote. The American people chose her. The only reason she wasn't president, is America isn't a democracy.
If he's into tariffs he'll do great probably
If they want to bring him back they gotta go full on dystopian cybernetically augmented leader because that man is one sneeze away from a fatal stroke.
He needs a golden throne
"Hey, I've seen this one before. It's a classic."
“We can all have a little war crime as a treat.”
We all know what comes after that supreme court ruling...
ARRRRROOOOOOO!
Honestly, if Trump wants to change the laws for a third time, that finally allows the Trump x Obama battle xD
No the rule he had drafted was written in such a way that Obama wouldn't be allowed.
The rule would allow a third term for only presidents who served two nonconsecutive terms
I do not think they will pass a constitutional amendment, so if Trump runs this will end up in court. I would like to see SC struggling to handle Obamas and Trumps case together.
Alito's opinion would do enough mental backflips that we could harness it as a dynamo to power the whole world.
Republicans accidentally solving climate change arc HERE WE GOOOOOO
Usually they just ignore the courts and do what they want, but in this case it would be difficult to actually hold a nationwide election, even a sham one, because it would require enough of the states to cooperate and put him on the ballot. The only way he stays in is if he just refuses to leave or if the SCROTUS says that Trump is President for life because reasons.
I dont think that is as far-fetched as you.
So, I am not great with numbers, but if we go by electoral college results from 2024 (using 270towin.com), significantly more states voted red in 2024 than blue; 31 red, 19 blue. 20 states have been red since 2000, vs 15 states (and DC) blue since 2000. My point is that the Republicans have an entrenched advantage. Annnnd of course this is why they would fight tooth & nail against reforming the electoral college.
It's (horrifyingly) interesting to consider - what would happen if red states put him on the ballot and blue state didn't because it's clearly unconstitutional? If (when) he "wins," none of those states viewed him as a legitimate choice, so the thin veneer of "rule of law" that might be keeping them from outright revolting now wouldn't exist any more. The Constitution will have proven to mean nothing, so what's to stop states from seceding?
Unfortunately, you may get your answer.
Indeed. I can't even begin to predict what will happen after almost four more years of this. The only thing I know for sure is it will be bad. VERY bad.
It’s not the same without Michelle
God the Republican SEETHING
Now I kind of want it to happen.
#MakeDroneStrikesLiberalAgain
Now that everyone has been reminded about trump, the dnc can run the same candidates from before and people will know to go with it this time, right?
Hey, how about run better candidates? You'd think losing to the worst human being in existence would suggest trying something new.
Hey, Trump may be shipping Americans to El Salvador, but worst human being in existence is a bit of a stretch.
After all, Obama ate a hot dog with Dijon fucking mustard.
Don't forget that time he wore a tan suit! Or when he didn't wear an American flag pin that one time. What a commie.
He then showed his true colors, just how much he despises the hard working American people and how badly he wants to live in Versailles
Nah let's swipe Jeb Bush from the GOP
I'm sorry, but this era of old white men has got to stop.
Liz Cheney. It's her turn.
She was a dynamite running partner for Harris
Joe really knew how to handle trump. When trump yapped and yapped, Joe basically just went "dang man, can you shut the fuck UP" and it worked for a term 🙏
And then came Kamala
Sure, but his brain was soup by 2024. That's kinda the main reason people are pissed with the Dems, because they hid this until Joe shit the bed for millions to see — during a debate, no less.
Kamala's campaign was mostly failed by bad advisors: Clinton staffers and James Carville types who hadn't won an election in 20 years, they were the ones who made them triangulate, not break from Biden on policy, and even move to the "middle" by getting the Cheneys to tour with them. They retreated the "weird" attack and "we're not going back" slogan, even as people kept using the former online and chanting the latter at rallies.
They ratfucked her campaign about as hard as Trump is now ratfucking the country.
You're right. Harris would have likely won in 2016. Now everyone's brain is soup from all the mental masturbation caused by the sloppification of media. The tabloids won, in a spiritual sense. Feels like we're in a death cult, or at least that life is a lot cheaper. All the stable democracies on the verge of electing far right psychos, won't be long before we start fighting each other like the good ol' days — and the people will cheer for carnage just to feel something again.
Its the people dude. People ratfucked the country. Not the candidates, not the advisors, not the campaigns, not Biden, not kamala, not DNC. They all did a decent job considering the circumstances they were in. They all reacted the best they could in an unprecedented scenario of a braindead zombie electorate. Its amazing people still can't be bothered with this simple fact.
Yeah it is the candidates that were the problem, sure lol
Nobody wants to be a candidate for the left. Have you seen what we do to people we like. I've seen people here calling Jon Stewart a fascist. We cook our own alive. Republicans have files on every possible candidate. We have no loyalty. Imagine a hockey team where every player physically and verbally abuses every coach they get. At some point nobody wants to coach your team
Damn right we aren't loyal to politicians. Are you looking for a leftist Trump? Jon Stewart is not the "left" so I'm not sure why you're mentioning him at all.
The left is not looking for a coach. We are hiring an employee.
Honestly? They are. America is so right-wing that "The Left" encompasses a wide spectrum of ideologies that would all have their own political parties in Europe. Socialists have as much in common with liberals as liberals do with centrists, yet the Dems expect the first two to vote for them while they try to court the conservative leaning side of the centrists.
And this is why we're never going to win. You're not even playing the game. You're preaching on a pedestal of quick sand. Trying to yell how morally better you are while your sinking is a bad position to be in. Maybe the reason why fascists win is because the opposition continues to act like they're better when you need to break free of your base instinct. Like ants in a death spiral. We all circle tighter and tighter into our groups defensively.
A big part of why they're winning in my opinion is not their appeal but a rejection of the left. And it's becoming clear that maybe that's a smart choice given that the left can't accomplish anything.
Your opinion is dumb and you should feel bad.
No it isn't. Show me an example where the left has won recently? If the amount of ground lost in the past 10 years isn't a wake up call then you all deserve it. You all keep calling everyone dumb while you're being beat and you refuse to recognize it. You're not losing because they're just good at things. You're losing because you are the dumb ones.
Lol
I'd rather join The Resistance than The Collaboration.
The fuck are they going to do now? Keep defending the new status quo?
Just another turn of the ratchet.
You joke, but can you honestly tell me this place wouldn't be full of people making trolley problem ""arguments"" about the obviously correct choice to make?
One track is made from subgrade steel and has a risk of derailing the trolley. The other is filled with explosives and shrapnel. Do you change the track?
I change it to whatever track I'm on. Komm, süßer Tod!
You know, that fella may be just Republican enough to be the Democratic nominee.
Slide to the right, slide to the right. Crisscross! Everybody clap your hands.
At this rate I fully expect the democrats to fumble the midterm elections which should be literally the easiest campaign in decades.
it's their entire strategy. jobs: secured
They absolutely will
DNC at this point has become a thankless scapegoat. Looking from outside the US, its crazy to see the copium. Which political party in this world can "do its job" when you fking literally elect convicted felons? How tf is it the easiest election when a vast majority dont even care that he is a convicted rapist. Its time to blame the citizens for a change than fuckall. Hitler could have run for election and still lose to Trump and that is saying something. With a democrat base like these commenters here, I don't know why the politicians even bother. Just leave the country for a decade and let it rot.
I'd appreciate if you not engage in this sort of tankie rhetoric. They will not "fumble" if you actually go support them instead of typing behind your .world alt
Criticism of one of the worst democratic party campaigns is clearly the mark of a tankie.
There's just no way telling your constituency and voter base to "fuck off" would have any kind of negative consequence on the election.
It's just simply impossible. We clearly lost because the tankies from .ml ran a nationwide psyop that lead to losing every single swing state.
They fumbled against fucking Trump. TWICE. I'm not going to campaign for slightly less bad than Trump because if that's what they run again I'm done.
Your house is on fire and your entire family is trapped inside.
The firefighters ran in to save your wife, and then got scared and ran out again, and she burned to death.
Then they ran in to save your child, but they got hungry and came back out for lunch. Your child burned to death.
Now your baby is dying, and the firefighters want you to help save it. And you've decided to let your baby burn in a fire because you're mad at the firefighters.
No in this comparison the firefighters let the arsonist start the fire and have talked a whole lot about how they are going to save my wife and children, but haven't actually moved inside the house except for one firefighter, who the others admonished for being to radical.
Okay. So are you gonna save the baby or not?
I think people are talking about the spiraling wealth inequality and the resulting economic collapse that nobody in a position of power is interested in admitting exists
Republicans will talk about it, but they blame it on anyone who doesn't have power.
As much as you hate the DNC right now they are serving up some major L's for trump.
To be fair though, with his tarrifs he basically took a hammer to his own nuts.
Are they tho? Cause to me it seems like trump is floundering and the DNC has spent the last 9 years doing fuck all about it
I'm so over this two party circle jerk.
Who do you think is prosecuting all these cases against the government and stalling their agenda?
I don't really know. Nobody seems to really be in jail, and their agenda keeps happening so enlighten me please.
Supreme Court loses 9-0. Garcia released from super max. They haven't sent any other migrants to el salvador, yet. Initial wins on dei cases, federal employee cases... etc. I by no means am here to educate you so you can either say your peace and lay off me or I'll just ignore you for forever. Your choice.
You know none of those are "wins" right? Garcia is where? Trump's admin is not following the supreme courts orders (and they seem to not care), They are still rounding up people and putting them in camps and as far as I can tell your federal employees are still fired crippling your government further.
This is just more of the odd "teams" nature of what the usa has become, and now both "teams" are in their own silos reading their own news about how the other side is "losing" all while the free world burns.
Tell me, what would you have them do, aside from the obvious like being more vocal and better at controlling the media narrative.
Their jobs? Like not supporting the continuing resolution and the SAVE act?
At this point? Step aside.
Unelected judges?
probably the judicial branch actually
Barely showing up wins again!
What? You're talking about the USA DNC?
Most of those guys are clowns, but without the charm, skills, or self-awareness. Just the greasepaint and dead eyes.
A handful of them could be outsmarted by a revolving door.
Go ahead and list them then.
Let me start of with this one:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/chuck-schumer-vote-advance-gop-funding-bill-democratic-divisions-rcna196306
Fucking bang up job opposing Trump and his fascists.
His stated strategy was to allow trumps policies to destroy the gop themselves and prevent subterfuge that would allow them to scape goat the DNC.
So far, it's working. Trump owns every part of this economy.
I would have liked more direct action but who knows what would have happened otherwise.
Go ahead and provide that citation.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/schumer-defends-vote-avert-shutdown-position-senate-democratic/story?id=119913097
Also still waiting on the list of L's they've given Trump.
They think judges going against the Trump admin and then doing nothing to enforce it is an "L" for Trump some how.
schumer the secret (public?) accelerationist
What a nice, young whipper snapper of a politician. Going to be great to have someone that young.
Feb 13: breaking news
You're here for shit post, now eat your shit and be happy!
I'm here for shitposts, not shit posts.
They be one and the same
Things are about to finally cringe
Just call him Mr. House already.
Even him can’t save sleepy joe
I need this guy going Rambo should Trump seize ultimate power.
That would be so funny haha
Funny, funny... Or funny, sad?
Dead funny xD
Fk that zionist
The American left: I won’t vote Democrat unless they get rid of that old white man and pick someone qualified
educated black woman appears
American left: eeew, not like that
Does it weird anyone else out how "centrists" or "moderates" or whatever they want to call themselves need to bash leftists when nobody was even talking about leftists? It feels like an op.
Is this "person" I'm replying to living in the same universe as we are? If this feels like valid criticism to anyone, please go touch some grass and talk to your therapist about it.
Sure. I also like the implication that you have to vote for any educated black woman because she's a black woman.
I voted for her because a shitlib is technically better than a fascist but as long as liberals think identity is policy they're going to lose.
Can you provide any detail where this "they didn't vote because she is a women" or "the didn't vote because she is black" or any other info?
gestures at American history
I'm neither sure rhat I'm following you or that you understood the person above you, but American proclivities are well known. If we're talking about "the left", I'd be interested in any actual information about whether "the left" did vote for Harris or not, rather than Democrats assuming that anyone critical of them must not have voted.
Any vaguely political post gets hit by corpo-propaganda bots even on Lemmy. That's why they sound like they have no idea what's going on.
Isn’t it weird that anyone who disagrees even slightly with you is a “centrist” or worse?
I’m far more left than you are, im merely pointing out that the AMERICAN left is fucked and has become toxic. So no im not living in the same universe as you, the rest of us outside of the U.S are watching the American left in dismay as it becomes a toxic monster (after all its America, it was bound to happen, it’s in the culture) nobody is good enough to be an ally, nobody is left enough, everyone even slightly right or left must be called names, etc. that’s the American left now. You’re inside of it so I’m not surprised you don’t see it
Gee, buddy. Do you really think "American Leftists won't vote for a Black woman" is a "slight" disagreement? Anybody trying to sow division and discord is an op, whatever politics you profess to hold.
If you were a leftist, you might not be so blithe about substituting your insane guesses for my lived experience. You think you have a better understanding of my own politics than I do, while you're telling me that I didn't vote for Kamala because we are the same race. You're goofy AF.
There it is.
Your history is toxic as fuck
Stop infecting the left with your toxicity, go join the other side if you wanna be a bigot