This is what they want. See, Trump is utterly destroying America's economy and nucleus of global hegemony. The people are in for increasingly tough circumstances as China just stops trading with America, and all previous allies start to shun the country. Trump is trying to grow the US military to start his fascist wars of conquest both south and north. This will also put the people in increasingly dire circumstances, both with the massive amount of death involved in such a conflict and in the mass reallocation of resources towards war efforts. He can't talk about those things openly to the people because he'd have to admit their lives are going to get significantly worse. So, what can he do instead?
He can do the same thing he's been doing the entire time. Build a fervore for ethnic cleansing and eugencist racialist politics. The people are trained to lap it up without even thinking, and they get genuinely itchy for their next fix. Who's the minority we're hating today? Who's the person of color we're going to commit vile acts of cruelty on today? Where do I direct my homicidal rage at the threat to my inherent superiority today? This is how they are. Every single day, Fox News, Twitter, and the White House all come together to deliver. They fill the bowl, and the bigots heads are down gorging themselves on it while their own lives are horrifically torn apart around them.
It doesn't matter what else he's doing. He's fighting DEI. He's putting black people and women in their place. He's making immigrants, muslims, jews, and the queers afraid again. His support base is unyielding. We know they will never yield because fascists never do. Even decades after the end of World War 2, many former SS and former Nazi supporters STILL thought Hitler was sent from God and that everything he did was right. Even as Soviet bombs were falling on their heads. The ardent supporters of fascism will support it literally until they die. They loved that Hitler was committing genocide. They loved that he was cruel and inhuman. They admired how the image he portrayed so neatly fit with their patriarchal worldview. Its why they supported him to begin with. Economy this, nationalism that, but down to the line it was all about cruelty.
Are the people who support these kinds of tweets petty and childish? Absolutely they are. This isn't even about pettiness though. This is what they voted for. They voted for people of color to suffer. They voted for immigrants to suffer. If it came out tomorrow that he died in that hellhole they'd all cheer.
Remember when you have been 16 and you fell for every single rage bait there is on the internet, wasting your next 2-3 years on defending gaming and your virginity from SJWs and radical feminism?
Imagine you never grew out of that. That’s your modern day republican.
I feel like a corner piece of the puzzle of MAGA is feeling like some how sending a brown Maryland father to El Salvador makes them feel better about their shitty lives. It's a superiority thing.
And some how Trump and Fox News have convinced them that they share in the victories of guys like Mush and Trump enriching themselves.
My mom said something completely asinine (and factually false) once.
If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
A lot of them are, and definitely the ones online 24/7.
But trump having the actual official White House communicate like this does add up and will hurt Republican votes.
trump isoving to fast and it's what's gonna end up stopping it. It's why I hate when people act like trump is the problem, if he died today Vance takes over and they do the same evil shit, just smarter about it
While not the problem, Trump is still a problem. Vance doesn't command the loyalty of the cult in the same way that Trump does. His closest successor in that regard is Musk.
If trump dies in office he doesn't have to have cult backing.
But he is more conservative than HW, and HW got the win after Reagan.
Vance was groomed to lead this movement he even got set up with his wife by the "Tiger Mom" at Yale and then she got the wife SC clerkships.
People are underestimating Vance just like they did trump
Hillary pushed him to run because she thought he'd be the worst, and it backfired spectacularly. Don't assume Vance can't grab the reigns when crazier shit is literally happening as I type this.
If you want some fun tin-foil conspiracy thing, there's one I heard that I both find entirely plausible AND actually believe.
Basically, when (not an if) Trump dies or is otherwise removed, Vance will come out as the 'We've had a hard time, what with our last president being a batshit insane rot brained moron. I'm going to undo the worst of his decisions, and get MAGA back on Track'.
And presto, we now have moved to the competent dear leader part of this whole play, and everyone from creepy neocons to the bleeding heart-ist liberals will applaud and say what a lovely thing this is, and all this change is good!
Except it's the same shit, just sane washed, because it's not hard to be LESS insane than the Tangerine.
The fact an official gov channel is posting this kind of childish shit is abhorrent and embarrassing. If I pulled shit like this at my job I'd be thrown out. Fucking slime.
Nah in Dystopias the megacorps and evil governments tend to be intelligent and refined with armored limousines and some sense of style, even the glutenous autocrat steriotype tends to have a kind of weird refinement or at least be intelligent enough to not be ridiulous in public, or at least in the presence of a large number of guys with guns who can look meaningfully at anyone who might laugh.
What this is, is some weird idiocracy shit only without any of the redeeming characteristics of the people in that film.
Actually, dystopia is basically a 'bad' (dys-) 'place' (-topia). So the common view of what a dystopia looks like is not the only way it can look. Being ruled by dumb toddlers that break everything in their way is a very different dystopia than one with evil megacorps but it is still quite dystopian to me.
I don't know how to express this feeling I have properly so bear with me. I kinda hate the reference of political office as a job. It's not really a job. It's a position of societal power. One that should come with, frankly, deadly consequences when people in that position of power start talking like this. This is a branch of the government saying fuck the courts and their decision. There should be blood over that. Equating it to a job just rubs me wrong. Not to shit on you, I have no problem with what you said, I agree with it even. Just expressing general thoughts
Yeah, a duty to hundreds of millions of people and the future, that one has to volunteer for and convince a plurality of their fitness for... not just a job that you should be able to neglect, let alone subvert.
I didn't notice who posted it on X until I read your comment and I just.....I'm shocked I am shocked by this because I feel like I've been getting numb to the stupidity of the last ~4 months
THEY said he was wrongly deported. Repeatedly. And refused to do anything about it.
Our jackass Attorney General shared a link recently that said he had "no criminal background" and there's been no actual evidence that shows he was in MS-13.
And while I'm not sure of his technical, official status, I would say somebody who was allowed to stay in the United States by a judge because of dangers back home, isn't consider an illegal alien any more, but a political refugee who has asylum in our country.
You have to wonder if this whole thing is just a petty attempt at retribution by Trump, because this guy was allowed to stay in the country the first time.
You have to wonder if this whole thing is just a petty attempt at retribution by Trump, because this guy was allowed to stay in the country the first time.
I think it's simpler than that. Bringing him back would show they did something wrong, and that's obviously impossible, because he's the second coming of Prosperity Gospel Jesus.
It would also mean we'd have a witness able to report on the prison's conditions. And the administration can say he's lying, but when there's no other source of information about it, people are going to hear him out.
Yes. Fascism is about normalizing treating outsiders as non-human. To do this you expand your crimes step by step. Justifying and normalizing each step. And you don't have to do it for long. You just move onto the next worse thing quickly.
There was a really good, almost poetic, video that covered this just as Trump took office. It's been a good reminder for me to keep my compass and perspective.
It's even worse than that: he's testing the boundaries.
He's testing if he can get away with deporting an innocent man. He's testing if he can ignore the Supreme Court without consequences. He's testing if the Salvadorian president will stand firm and be his good little concentration camp boy.
If they are successful, it means they can imprison ANYONE they want to.
If they are successful, our Bill of Rights is about to come crashing down.
To get more technical, he had the kind of residency that has a higher standard than being an asylum seeker that prohibits them from being deported to the country they are from.
El Salvador was the ONLY place he was not allowed to be deported to.
His official status wasn't asylum per se, but his status was he could be deported ANYWHERE BUT EL SALVADOR if the courts deemed fit. Which he was not deported through the courts, and they sent him to El fucking Salvador, the one place it would be illegal to send him to.
This whole situation has me so pissed off, this country sucks.
Oh dear fuck i looked at it and they made a covid.gov site that claims that covid originated from lab in Wuhan and was leaked. That fringe conspiracy now being peddled by the white house.
It also enables a few of the older features, like being able to read replies to a Tweet, now that the website formerly known as Twitter bars it if you're not logged in.
You're not alone. I see this shit and I say aloud "woww" and pass my phone to my partner. I've never seen such unhinged shit from the official white house communications team.
This is stuff any self-respecting 15yo would be embarrassed to post. I know they have been posting other cringey memes recently too. Seems like the person managing the account came straight from 4chan.
That official White House X-account is really something. The utter shamelessness combined with the harrowing inhumanity would make Goebbels blush.
At the same time it is so honest and clear about the Trump administration's perspective on things it's refreshing. They don't hold back, there is no secret agenda, they just put it all out in the open for the Americans and the whole world to see. They really feel invincible.
I think that judges have had enough. Boasberg of DDC has already released a criminal contempt order and by the looks of it, Xinis of Maryland district is also getting pretty pissed.
I just hope they alienate enough people fast enough that we can see an actual effective check to this rogue administration. They're taking a lot of power pretty fast but also burning a lot of bridges.
I don't see how this attempt to speed-run a dictatorship is going to work well for them. You're supposed to turn up the heat slowly, so the frog doesn't notice that they're boiling until it's too late.
Because they know something the rest of us don't - that they will never have to pander for votes ever again, because there will never be another election on the country.
I wouldn’t say there is no secret agenda. It’s clear the administration is not in the loop of what the secret agenda is. Their blatant anti-everything-non-white and overall incompetence and ignorance is enough right now to keep the divide and conquer going.
Based on the upvote ratio of this very legitimate question, a majority of USA-landers who want to live in a country with a stupid second amendment, are actually too chicken to use the provisions it provides.
There are several countries actively boycotting American products and doing what they can to harm the American economy to a sufficient degree that Trump's finance-bro supporters turn against him.
On the other hand, if you're wondering when the American left will start fighting back, the answer is never. We're talking about the American left, after all.
Part of how you know that no one they send there is going to actually be a gang member or terrorist or anything like that. Those guys wouldn't be going without a fight. And with no due process and no chance of ever getting out, it's not like they have anything to lose.
Only fighting when you’re certain of victory is actually the smart way of doing combat. Nothing to do with fascists or cowards.
I think what you mean is that they will only pick on the weak and indefensible. That’s what’s going on. This isn’t even a fight, they are snapping them off the street without warning. And it isn’t a victory either, as they are fast tracking mass outrage.
We’re being played, as is always the case with Trump. He’s dictating the things we get outraged by, day by day. He wants the outrage, because he needs the pretext for Martial Law. That’s the fight he wants, and the victory they seek: total consolidation of power, so he can crown himself king.
Hitler too, only had a vocal minority before he rose to power.
Because ICE is targeting people who aren't likely to be armed. As the net broadens and they start targeting more explicitly based on political affiliation, gender, etc. rather than just race, they'll start running into people who will shoot back
They had their chance to show MS 13 gang membership in court, and failed. Screaming it over from podiums/media doesn't make it true, or a basis for jail/death camps.
The Republicans embraced Faith-Based Thinking long ago, in which people believe ANYTHING they are told, as long as it comes from an authority figure they trust, such as a politician, clergy, boss, cop, etc. That's the perfect target for a politician (or conman) whose entire authority is built on lies.
Thats why they pandered so strongly to evangelicals, who have demonstrated their predisposition to believe to their absolute core the most outlandish fairy tales and myths written by neolithic goatherders, and tailor their entire lives around them. If they'll believe that nonsense, they'll believe the idiotic math of conservative economic concepts like Trickle Down, and anything else.
And that's why Republicans have been so critical of, and hostile toward, ANY educational standards. Stupid people are easier to recruit and indoctrinate, because they lack the Critical Thinking Skills required to reject obvious propaganda, and are more receptive of an entertaining delivery over the veracity of the message.
HitlerPig even said it out loud: "I love the poorly educated." Faith-based Thinking is why.
Didn't Ivanna accuse him of rape after she referred him to her doctor for a scalp reduction to make his bald spot less obvious and he got botched so he blamed her for it and then did the thing? Talk about bad people in the US some more, Trumplethinskin.
E: Ivanna not Ivanka, and scalp reduction not scalp removal
The idea is that every sign is a symbol: Marijuana, Smile (Sonreír), a cross which is a symbol for 1, and a skull, which in Spanish is called cráneo, a word beginning by a c, the 3rd letter of the alphabet. All together they make “MS13”. The photoshoped letters and numbers are a legend.
I have no idea if this is things gangs do. And if it's a gang tattoo, that doesn't mean he is a member (he may just like the gang aesthetics, people do weird things), and if he is a member, that's not important, because guilty or not, he deserves a trial.
This seems unrealistically convoluted, to the level of someone who's just looking for evidence of a conspiracy. A gang symbol is a bit rubbish if you need a cryptography manual to identify it. The whole point of a gang symbol is to advertise that you belong to the gang.
You could probably find a trifecta of 3s and link him to the Illuminati if you tried hard enough.
The most heavily armed country in the world is run by someone with the emotional intelligence of a rhubarb and a cohort of sycophants.
This is gonna bode well.
But his antics and crimes haven't changed since his first term. What we're seeing isn't some new portents of doom; it's the long resolution of the omen that was "a second Trump presidency". Until he's removed from office, all this will be is the "prophesized" descent.
The first word I'd remove is "Deported". Reporters, editors, citizens should stop using the crimebosses' lingo & framing. Mr. Abrego García is a (noncriminal) US resident. He wasn't deported. He's a first-generation American, #ABDUCTED by thugs, #TRAFFICKED by armed mercenaries, to a FOREIGN #tortureprison for profit, #slavery, #disinfo and #disruption.
Republicans and the Conservative Propaganda Machine has controlled the narrative in this country, political and otherwise, and your post is a perfect demonstration of it.
If Dems ever want to regain power, they need to learn how to counter the MAGA lies, and promote their own message loudly and clearly, and stop letting the Conservative Propaganda Machine define EVERYTHING.
I agree with you, but during the Civil War, the Dems are also going to have to have a dominant message to counter the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which is extremely mature at this point. They can't win with just one or the other, its going to take both, and probably a whole lot more as well.
They know, that's why the oligarchs will prop another one.
I am of the opinion that Trump is a pazi should shit hits the fan. The billionaires-- the true rulers-- will be scot free if the American people decide to rise up.
Nah. We are taking names, and addresses of the oligarchs. Not just in our country either. I wouldn't be surprised if this has already caused a bunch of US Veterans to go deep into hiding, just so they can snipe all the billionaires, the moment they get a chance.
That's a good point, but I don't think Vance has the charisma to step into Trump's boots. For all of Donald's faults, and there are many, he is a very charismatic person. He has (or had depending on his level of senility) a natural skill at making people around him like him when he wants to. I don't think Vance has those skills and without Trump to rally around MAGA as we know it won't live past Trump. Now a form neo-MAGA can emerge, or it can crumble but thankfully JD doesn't have what it takes to carry Trump's torch.
If the system gets rigged enough, Trump won't be necessary. Cultists will not drop their position and they have infinite money and all the media to keep this "magic" going.
I obviously have a different definition of "charismatic" to many other people, because Trump has zero charisma in my eyes. He was repugnant in the 80s and he's repugnant today.
That's because you're not a vapid narcissist who only ever uses people and are probably a boring regular everyday person who can see that bullshit from a mile away. I still think he has high charisma, but yeah he's definitely not rolling 30s like other big personalities.
If you were powerful enough, sure. The court is only as strong as its ability to enforce a punishment.
The president is exempt from criminal prosecution for things they did as part of their duties, and if no-one is willing to impeach or impose other punishments, they can be as contemptuous as they like. How would the court stop then?
I will watch it on tikkyok for the lolz, through some kind of non tikytoky interface that protects me from elon musk or google or whoever owns the stream. Maybe eztv.
The president cannot pardon a state crime. Kidnapping is both a state and a federal crime. If convicted in state court, the president is powerless to pardon.
For now. Eventually it won't be about color or religion or citizenship, it will be about political beliefs and ideas, and EVERYBODY will be invited to play.
This is true. Fascism is a death cult. They must have enemies, they must kill, and they must fight until they themselves die. Even if they defeat their enemy, they segment off another portion of the in-group so they can have a new "other."
You’re there with the guy, and you have a court ruling saying facilitate his return. Do that, by cuffing him to yourself, and demanding they let you both walk away. El Salvador don’t want heat from abducting a US statesman.
Right, you the hero would cuff yourself to Garcia. Then the guards would simply stop you (possibly before you'd even manage to do it), unlock or cut the handcuffs if needed, forbid you from entering the country ever again if not outright prosecute you, and possibly put Garcia under even stricter control and isolation, to, you know, prevent having people try to get him out.
Because realistically considering the consequences is... liberal.
You are right. Please pm me your name and address and if you are ever deported to a torture camp in a foreign country I will let all senators know that you don’t want them to visit and will only accept help that meets lemmy.ml fever dream standards.
You’re embarrassed by the difference between performative politics for the press vs meaningful action to force change? Me too. If US democracy has any chance of survival we need far more of the latter, right away.
I think they mean Garcia isn't coming back, not the Senator.
As is evident in damn near every Trump social media post, they're not big on things like clarity in writing, grammar, proper use of capitalization, correct punctuation or things as simple as a fucking paragraph.
Laws were passed that defined those who should be arrested as counterrevolutionaries, and committees of surveillance were set up to identify suspects and issue arrest warrants. Later laws suspended the rights of suspects to both legal assistance and public trials and mandated execution of all those who were found guilty.
Please do not romanticise such a horrendous period. If you hate McCarthyism, then you should absolutely despise this one.
Being labeled as the enemy during a revolution often means prison / torture / death, even if you're innocent !
MS-13 member according to which judge and jury? What exactly is he charged with? As long as we're ditching the justice system, we the people might as well make some extrajudicial convictions too.
They're throwing Trump supporters a mental gymnastics buoy they can hold onto in this horrible situation that clearly makes Trump look bad. They just want something to believe in that makes them feel better about their current political views and positions. They don't care if it is true or not.
I think this is going to hurt the White House in the long run. By smearing these people individually, they are highlighting the fact that they are actual humans with life stories, rather than a swarm invading the country.
Imagine official government account tweeting shit like edgy teenager. How can any country of the world take America seriously?
Also they themselves admitted it was a mistake and now thry are furiously claiming he was achtually a drug warlord and he's not coming back to USA. They aren't fucking serious.
They might think this is edgy but it’s actually very damaging to the US. Not only will no other country ever take this administration seriously, but if the government breaks their own laws, then other countries will also feel comfortable breaking laws
One potential plus of the Trump administration is that its communication style inadvertently gets people to notice about institutional media what Chomsky has been discussing for decades.
I wouldn't want to live in a country where mastheads and public offices are on the same page.
Like all the posing with ICE? Or using drastically more expensive ways to deport only to have lower numbers? Or is it all about getting rid of people that "aren't like me" illegally and unethically?
Are all Republicans this childish and petty?
Edit: And this is the official White House account as well.
99.9% of them, yes
This is what they want. See, Trump is utterly destroying America's economy and nucleus of global hegemony. The people are in for increasingly tough circumstances as China just stops trading with America, and all previous allies start to shun the country. Trump is trying to grow the US military to start his fascist wars of conquest both south and north. This will also put the people in increasingly dire circumstances, both with the massive amount of death involved in such a conflict and in the mass reallocation of resources towards war efforts. He can't talk about those things openly to the people because he'd have to admit their lives are going to get significantly worse. So, what can he do instead?
He can do the same thing he's been doing the entire time. Build a fervore for ethnic cleansing and eugencist racialist politics. The people are trained to lap it up without even thinking, and they get genuinely itchy for their next fix. Who's the minority we're hating today? Who's the person of color we're going to commit vile acts of cruelty on today? Where do I direct my homicidal rage at the threat to my inherent superiority today? This is how they are. Every single day, Fox News, Twitter, and the White House all come together to deliver. They fill the bowl, and the bigots heads are down gorging themselves on it while their own lives are horrifically torn apart around them.
It doesn't matter what else he's doing. He's fighting DEI. He's putting black people and women in their place. He's making immigrants, muslims, jews, and the queers afraid again. His support base is unyielding. We know they will never yield because fascists never do. Even decades after the end of World War 2, many former SS and former Nazi supporters STILL thought Hitler was sent from God and that everything he did was right. Even as Soviet bombs were falling on their heads. The ardent supporters of fascism will support it literally until they die. They loved that Hitler was committing genocide. They loved that he was cruel and inhuman. They admired how the image he portrayed so neatly fit with their patriarchal worldview. Its why they supported him to begin with. Economy this, nationalism that, but down to the line it was all about cruelty.
Are the people who support these kinds of tweets petty and childish? Absolutely they are. This isn't even about pettiness though. This is what they voted for. They voted for people of color to suffer. They voted for immigrants to suffer. If it came out tomorrow that he died in that hellhole they'd all cheer.
So well stated.
Remember when you have been 16 and you fell for every single rage bait there is on the internet, wasting your next 2-3 years on defending gaming and your virginity from SJWs and radical feminism?
Imagine you never grew out of that. That’s your modern day republican.
Some people never mature past middle school
and failed to to develop maturity and independence in middle school?…
Childish and petty? Or "winning"?
I feel like a corner piece of the puzzle of MAGA is feeling like some how sending a brown Maryland father to El Salvador makes them feel better about their shitty lives. It's a superiority thing.
And some how Trump and Fox News have convinced them that they share in the victories of guys like Mush and Trump enriching themselves.
My mom said something completely asinine (and factually false) once.
"I'm way too successful to be a Democrat."
If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.
🌏👩🚀🔫👩🚀
They're actually not.
A lot of them are, and definitely the ones online 24/7.
But trump having the actual official White House communicate like this does add up and will hurt Republican votes.
trump isoving to fast and it's what's gonna end up stopping it. It's why I hate when people act like trump is the problem, if he died today Vance takes over and they do the same evil shit, just smarter about it
While not the problem, Trump is still a problem. Vance doesn't command the loyalty of the cult in the same way that Trump does. His closest successor in that regard is Musk.
If trump dies in office he doesn't have to have cult backing.
But he is more conservative than HW, and HW got the win after Reagan.
Vance was groomed to lead this movement he even got set up with his wife by the "Tiger Mom" at Yale and then she got the wife SC clerkships.
People are underestimating Vance just like they did trump
Hillary pushed him to run because she thought he'd be the worst, and it backfired spectacularly. Don't assume Vance can't grab the reigns when crazier shit is literally happening as I type this.
If you want some fun tin-foil conspiracy thing, there's one I heard that I both find entirely plausible AND actually believe.
Basically, when (not an if) Trump dies or is otherwise removed, Vance will come out as the 'We've had a hard time, what with our last president being a batshit insane rot brained moron. I'm going to undo the worst of his decisions, and get MAGA back on Track'.
And presto, we now have moved to the competent dear leader part of this whole play, and everyone from creepy neocons to the bleeding heart-ist liberals will applaud and say what a lovely thing this is, and all this change is good!
Except it's the same shit, just sane washed, because it's not hard to be LESS insane than the Tangerine.
Not nearly such a cult following though
In the terminally internet-bound, this has led to some consternation.
The boomers are dying off.
They’ve decided to go after the edge lord young men for their next voter base.
Unfortunately it appears to be working.
Nowadays, yes.
The fact an official gov channel is posting this kind of childish shit is abhorrent and embarrassing. If I pulled shit like this at my job I'd be thrown out. Fucking slime.
Not just government -- the official White House account. It's... dystopian...
We've already used up our big words in February. Supercynical "I have no words" in March.
Now, the horror getting worse every day has become the new normal coming out of the US, every day, steady as a slow machine gun.
Had I known how much worse it's going to get I'd have saved up some words during the first months.
Nah in Dystopias the megacorps and evil governments tend to be intelligent and refined with armored limousines and some sense of style, even the glutenous autocrat steriotype tends to have a kind of weird refinement or at least be intelligent enough to not be ridiulous in public, or at least in the presence of a large number of guys with guns who can look meaningfully at anyone who might laugh.
What this is, is some weird idiocracy shit only without any of the redeeming characteristics of the people in that film.
Actually, dystopia is basically a 'bad' (dys-) 'place' (-topia). So the common view of what a dystopia looks like is not the only way it can look. Being ruled by dumb toddlers that break everything in their way is a very different dystopia than one with evil megacorps but it is still quite dystopian to me.
Thank you for using Idiocracy in the correct context. I hate always seeing it used as-is without any caveats.
I don't know how to express this feeling I have properly so bear with me. I kinda hate the reference of political office as a job. It's not really a job. It's a position of societal power. One that should come with, frankly, deadly consequences when people in that position of power start talking like this. This is a branch of the government saying fuck the courts and their decision. There should be blood over that. Equating it to a job just rubs me wrong. Not to shit on you, I have no problem with what you said, I agree with it even. Just expressing general thoughts
Yeah, a duty to hundreds of millions of people and the future, that one has to volunteer for and convince a plurality of their fitness for... not just a job that you should be able to neglect, let alone subvert.
the people have a duty to punish those that abuse that position
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Welcome, bootlicker. Hope you stay. ❤️
Bro you aren't shitting on my post at all and I 100 percent agree.
"Civil Servant."
I didn't notice who posted it on X until I read your comment and I just.....I'm shocked I am shocked by this because I feel like I've been getting numb to the stupidity of the last ~4 months
Well they're supposed to work for us, so what's the next step?
Let's do some fact checking.
THEY said he was wrongly deported. Repeatedly. And refused to do anything about it.
Our jackass Attorney General shared a link recently that said he had "no criminal background" and there's been no actual evidence that shows he was in MS-13.
And while I'm not sure of his technical, official status, I would say somebody who was allowed to stay in the United States by a judge because of dangers back home, isn't consider an illegal alien any more, but a political refugee who has asylum in our country.
You have to wonder if this whole thing is just a petty attempt at retribution by Trump, because this guy was allowed to stay in the country the first time.
I think it's simpler than that. Bringing him back would show they did something wrong, and that's obviously impossible, because he's the second coming of Prosperity Gospel Jesus.
Simpler even than that. It would mean someone gets to tell them no.
It would also mean we'd have a witness able to report on the prison's conditions. And the administration can say he's lying, but when there's no other source of information about it, people are going to hear him out.
Yes. Fascism is about normalizing treating outsiders as non-human. To do this you expand your crimes step by step. Justifying and normalizing each step. And you don't have to do it for long. You just move onto the next worse thing quickly.
There was a really good, almost poetic, video that covered this just as Trump took office. It's been a good reminder for me to keep my compass and perspective.
https://youtu.be/0YFdwfNh5vs
It's even worse than that: he's testing the boundaries.
He's testing if he can get away with deporting an innocent man. He's testing if he can ignore the Supreme Court without consequences. He's testing if the Salvadorian president will stand firm and be his good little concentration camp boy.
If they are successful, it means they can imprison ANYONE they want to.
If they are successful, our Bill of Rights is about to come crashing down.
If they are successful, our Bill of Rights has come crashing down. Past tense!
He has a legal status similar to refugee, but not technically the same because he didn’t apply for asylum within a year of entering.
So yeah, not an illegal alien. Legal resident.
To get more technical, he had the kind of residency that has a higher standard than being an asylum seeker that prohibits them from being deported to the country they are from.
El Salvador was the ONLY place he was not allowed to be deported to.
His official status wasn't asylum per se, but his status was he could be deported ANYWHERE BUT EL SALVADOR if the courts deemed fit. Which he was not deported through the courts, and they sent him to El fucking Salvador, the one place it would be illegal to send him to.
This whole situation has me so pissed off, this country sucks.
They only say he was wrongly deported (kidnapped) under oath.
Like hell. Especially since they're talking openly about kidnapping citizens and political opponents and sending them to the same fate.
The only incompetence was not having their messaging figured out beforehand.
Omg. I just realized this is really from The white house???!!??
I thought this was some stupid meme..... Omg
I just can't even.....omg
You should see the other stuff they post now: https://xcancel.com/WhiteHouse/
Oh dear fuck i looked at it and they made a covid.gov site that claims that covid originated from lab in Wuhan and was leaked. That fringe conspiracy now being peddled by the white house.
That's actually not unlikely, but the way china handles critical information we will never be sure.
I imagine they also have other false claims on there that are much worse though.
Yeah, it's one thing to make it known that it is a possible explanation, it's another to claim that it is a fact without evidence.
I'm gobsmacked.
What is xcancel?
A service that proxies and cleans xitters content so musk doesn't get the money from the few advertisers left in that cesspool
Thank you, that sounds great
It also enables a few of the older features, like being able to read replies to a Tweet, now that the website formerly known as Twitter bars it if you're not logged in.
You're not alone. I see this shit and I say aloud "woww" and pass my phone to my partner. I've never seen such unhinged shit from the official white house communications team.
This is stuff any self-respecting 15yo would be embarrassed to post. I know they have been posting other cringey memes recently too. Seems like the person managing the account came straight from 4chan.
cruelty is the point. guns.
Classless.
That official White House X-account is really something. The utter shamelessness combined with the harrowing inhumanity would make Goebbels blush.
At the same time it is so honest and clear about the Trump administration's perspective on things it's refreshing. They don't hold back, there is no secret agenda, they just put it all out in the open for the Americans and the whole world to see. They really feel invincible.
Would be shame if someone used it as evidence in a contempt hearing or impeachment trial.
The people will have a trial if the lawyers cannot.
And if Gotham wasn't so fucking corrupt, that wouldn't of had to happen. Now it's a better city for it.
I think that judges have had enough. Boasberg of DDC has already released a criminal contempt order and by the looks of it, Xinis of Maryland district is also getting pretty pissed.
I just hope they alienate enough people fast enough that we can see an actual effective check to this rogue administration. They're taking a lot of power pretty fast but also burning a lot of bridges.
I'm afraid they might burn more than bridges if they are opposed by an actual effective check.
If that's what it takes to stop them, so be it.
I don't see how this attempt to speed-run a dictatorship is going to work well for them. You're supposed to turn up the heat slowly, so the frog doesn't notice that they're boiling until it's too late.
Because they know something the rest of us don't - that they will never have to pander for votes ever again, because there will never be another election on the country.
I'm sure that's what they think.
I wouldn’t say there is no secret agenda. It’s clear the administration is not in the loop of what the secret agenda is. Their blatant anti-everything-non-white and overall incompetence and ignorance is enough right now to keep the divide and conquer going.
America is scary
They want people to be scared and not fight back. We have strength in numbers and they know it.
Nice one. When is the fighting back part going to happen?
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They mobilised 5 million people for a protest recently. 5th largest protest in america: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size
Nice one. When's the actual fighting back going to happen?
Depends on your definition of fighting back.
Soon as people sign up for the general strike which is part of the protests. Will you stand with us?
https://generalstrikeus.com/
Based on the upvote ratio of this very legitimate question, a majority of USA-landers who want to live in a country with a stupid second amendment, are actually too chicken to use the provisions it provides.
Gotta get people away from Zuck, Bezos, and Musk and whatever that Reddit guy is named.
There are several countries actively boycotting American products and doing what they can to harm the American economy to a sufficient degree that Trump's finance-bro supporters turn against him.
On the other hand, if you're wondering when the American left will start fighting back, the answer is never. We're talking about the American left, after all.
The scary stuff hasn't started yet.
Part of how you know that no one they send there is going to actually be a gang member or terrorist or anything like that. Those guys wouldn't be going without a fight. And with no due process and no chance of ever getting out, it's not like they have anything to lose.
Fascists are cowards and will only fight when they are certain of victory.
That's why "it's ok to punch a Nazi" was an effective deterrent.
Only fighting when you’re certain of victory is actually the smart way of doing combat. Nothing to do with fascists or cowards.
I think what you mean is that they will only pick on the weak and indefensible. That’s what’s going on. This isn’t even a fight, they are snapping them off the street without warning. And it isn’t a victory either, as they are fast tracking mass outrage.
We’re being played, as is always the case with Trump. He’s dictating the things we get outraged by, day by day. He wants the outrage, because he needs the pretext for Martial Law. That’s the fight he wants, and the victory they seek: total consolidation of power, so he can crown himself king.
Hitler too, only had a vocal minority before he rose to power.
Yeah I see that pic pop up a lot but I have yet to see the news about a huge shout-out between ice and immigrants
Because ICE is targeting people who aren't likely to be armed. As the net broadens and they start targeting more explicitly based on political affiliation, gender, etc. rather than just race, they'll start running into people who will shoot back
Exactly: did you know that MS-13 is the world's only pacifist street gang? It's true!
(It's not true. The fact that your comment is correct is another way you can tell the claim that the kidnappees are gang members is a lie.)
Hey DuckDuckGo, what percentage of Venezuelan and El Salvadoran immigrants are hardcore gun owners in the US? Oh.
They had their chance to show MS 13 gang membership in court, and failed. Screaming it over from podiums/media doesn't make it true, or a basis for jail/death camps.
These psychos truly believe that the truth is anything they say it is.
Because their followers seem to accept everything they say as truth. It has been working.
The Republicans embraced Faith-Based Thinking long ago, in which people believe ANYTHING they are told, as long as it comes from an authority figure they trust, such as a politician, clergy, boss, cop, etc. That's the perfect target for a politician (or conman) whose entire authority is built on lies.
Thats why they pandered so strongly to evangelicals, who have demonstrated their predisposition to believe to their absolute core the most outlandish fairy tales and myths written by neolithic goatherders, and tailor their entire lives around them. If they'll believe that nonsense, they'll believe the idiotic math of conservative economic concepts like Trickle Down, and anything else.
And that's why Republicans have been so critical of, and hostile toward, ANY educational standards. Stupid people are easier to recruit and indoctrinate, because they lack the Critical Thinking Skills required to reject obvious propaganda, and are more receptive of an entertaining delivery over the veracity of the message.
HitlerPig even said it out loud: "I love the poorly educated." Faith-based Thinking is why.
Religion makes people believe crazy shit
destroy all religion for the sake of humanity
This is the White House response, see if you can spot the fallacy: https://xcancel.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1913358867708493982#m
Didn't Ivanna accuse him of rape after she referred him to her doctor for a scalp reduction to make his bald spot less obvious and he got botched so he blamed her for it and then did the thing? Talk about bad people in the US some more, Trumplethinskin.
E: Ivanna not Ivanka, and scalp reduction not scalp removal
Oh interesting. I read it in the more recent book "Hiding in Plain Sight" but my memory is spotty.
Thanks for the reference.
Yes. She fell down the stairs and died so we will never get to ask anymore questions. Seems like a lot of trumps besties end up dead
Ivanna, not Ivanka.
That is obviously shopped. Is the real photo anywhere?
The idea is that every sign is a symbol: Marijuana, Smile (Sonreír), a cross which is a symbol for 1, and a skull, which in Spanish is called cráneo, a word beginning by a c, the 3rd letter of the alphabet. All together they make “MS13”. The photoshoped letters and numbers are a legend.
I have no idea if this is things gangs do. And if it's a gang tattoo, that doesn't mean he is a member (he may just like the gang aesthetics, people do weird things), and if he is a member, that's not important, because guilty or not, he deserves a trial.
This seems unrealistically convoluted, to the level of someone who's just looking for evidence of a conspiracy. A gang symbol is a bit rubbish if you need a cryptography manual to identify it. The whole point of a gang symbol is to advertise that you belong to the gang.
You could probably find a trifecta of 3s and link him to the Illuminati if you tried hard enough.
These are the people who guzzle down Qanon
Yeah it looks like bullshit, but who knows.
Exactly! I dont give shit if he killed people on camera and confessed to a crowd. He has to go to court.
Truth doesn't matter to them, only power.
Screaming it over and over has never failed hi. So far.
I uhh.
I think the "boring" part is over.
Yeah it’s just full on dystopia
The most heavily armed country in the world is run by someone with the emotional intelligence of a rhubarb and a cohort of sycophants. This is gonna bode well.
The jury's already come back in: it's not boding. It's already been bade.
When the worst case scenario is a nuclear wasteland what's been happening is Disneyland
But his antics and crimes haven't changed since his first term. What we're seeing isn't some new portents of doom; it's the long resolution of the omen that was "a second Trump presidency". Until he's removed from office, all this will be is the "prophesized" descent.
Only on peak days
The first word I'd remove is "Deported". Reporters, editors, citizens should stop using the crimebosses' lingo & framing. Mr. Abrego García is a (noncriminal) US resident. He wasn't deported. He's a first-generation American, #ABDUCTED by thugs, #TRAFFICKED by armed mercenaries, to a FOREIGN #tortureprison for profit, #slavery, #disinfo and #disruption.
Republicans and the Conservative Propaganda Machine has controlled the narrative in this country, political and otherwise, and your post is a perfect demonstration of it.
If Dems ever want to regain power, they need to learn how to counter the MAGA lies, and promote their own message loudly and clearly, and stop letting the Conservative Propaganda Machine define EVERYTHING.
Nope. This will never end under the regular rules. This is going to take violence and things on fire to stop.
I agree with you, but during the Civil War, the Dems are also going to have to have a dominant message to counter the Conservative Propaganda Machine, which is extremely mature at this point. They can't win with just one or the other, its going to take both, and probably a whole lot more as well.
Funny you'd think most of the democratic party* would be on our side. Just look how few are speaking out now.
Abducted or kidnapped?
Biden had pea soup for brains and still the executive branch was more functional than this.
I don't know about that. The Trump team has been very sucessful this time around.
It's just that what they consider a sucess is really, really bad for the world.
They’re already openly saying there will never be another administration after this, either one way or another.
They know he can't live forever, right?
They know, that's why the oligarchs will prop another one.
I am of the opinion that Trump is a pazi should shit hits the fan. The billionaires-- the true rulers-- will be scot free if the American people decide to rise up.
Nah. We are taking names, and addresses of the oligarchs. Not just in our country either. I wouldn't be surprised if this has already caused a bunch of US Veterans to go deep into hiding, just so they can snipe all the billionaires, the moment they get a chance.
One can hope, but most US veterans would gladly volunteer to be members of his death squads as soon as they get that far in their takeover.
https://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/
They'll just let Ivanka take his father's place
Yes, but have you ever seen a vice president as visible and vocal as this one?
That's a good point, but I don't think Vance has the charisma to step into Trump's boots. For all of Donald's faults, and there are many, he is a very charismatic person. He has (or had depending on his level of senility) a natural skill at making people around him like him when he wants to. I don't think Vance has those skills and without Trump to rally around MAGA as we know it won't live past Trump. Now a form neo-MAGA can emerge, or it can crumble but thankfully JD doesn't have what it takes to carry Trump's torch.
If the system gets rigged enough, Trump won't be necessary. Cultists will not drop their position and they have infinite money and all the media to keep this "magic" going.
I obviously have a different definition of "charismatic" to many other people, because Trump has zero charisma in my eyes. He was repugnant in the 80s and he's repugnant today.
That's because you're not a vapid narcissist who only ever uses people and are probably a boring regular everyday person who can see that bullshit from a mile away. I still think he has high charisma, but yeah he's definitely not rolling 30s like other big personalities.
That is actual contempt of court. Could I tell a federal judge to piss off if he gave me a court order?
How rich and well-connected are you?
Yes. If you're an oligarch in an oligarchy.
Are you a billionaire?
You could certainly try
If you were powerful enough, sure. The court is only as strong as its ability to enforce a punishment.
The president is exempt from criminal prosecution for things they did as part of their duties, and if no-one is willing to impeach or impose other punishments, they can be as contemptuous as they like. How would the court stop then?
It looks like we are about to find out.
I want this to be fake. This looks like some right wing troll post or some shit. If this is actually the white house, how embarrassing...
I can’t recall any scenario where Trump and his cronies aren’t cringey and childish, so it’s business as usual really.
Whitehouse comms is basically just being run by 4chan trolls at this point. Probably where they recruited from.
I went to check it out. It's 100% real.
This is wild fucking times, civil war is coming.
Yeah send me the meme bro, i dont see the muricans getting their guns yet, they have to be starving
They're gonna be at the Canadian border blocking aid from entering in through Montana to reach the starving Wyomingans.
I will watch it on tikkyok for the lolz, through some kind of non tikytoky interface that protects me from elon musk or google or whoever owns the stream. Maybe eztv.
Looks like libel evidence. Family should sue.
Seems to also be very brazen contempt of the supreme court.
it undermines their already blatant lie about "facilitating" his return.
inb4 the prison guards give him a gang tattoo to make Trump happy
The MAGA-sect comments are really frightening. Big resemblance to the Waffen-SS supporters like back in the day.
So...
When he does come back, how fucking weak and stupid is Trump going to look?
He seems to think this is some liberal bullshit, he doesn't even realize that he's crossed the line
I'm remembering his full-page ads calling for the death penalty for the Central Park 5.
Garcia and his family have slam-dunk civil cases against Trump in both his personal and professional capacities.
Ok. Now let's see the court enforcing any of it.
Even if the courts are all in, you need someone in law enforcement willing to act against him.
Jack Smith is out of office.
FYI, Federal Justices can hire special prosecutors & deputize citizens as federal marshals, they don't actually need the DoJ to administer justice.
The Presidental pardon is the only issue here, but kidnapping is also a state crime.
They would have to declare him illegitimate and thus intelligible to grant pardon. Which he is under the 14th amendment.
They would also need to ignore the supreme court, but if we ever get that far, it goes without saying.
The president cannot pardon a state crime. Kidnapping is both a state and a federal crime. If convicted in state court, the president is powerless to pardon.
Their defamation case is going to be open & shut.
Uh huh, and then what? Wake me up when he actually experiences any kind of consequences for his actions.
Jesus tapdancing christ
As someone who looks illegal, I’m glad that I left on my own terms. I can’t imagine the horror this man and many like him are going through.
You don't look illegal bro. It's not illegal to be you.
It's illegal to be brown in the US it seems sadly.
For now. Eventually it won't be about color or religion or citizenship, it will be about political beliefs and ideas, and EVERYBODY will be invited to play.
It will never be like that. For the game to continue, they will always need an enemy.
Perhaps I wasn't clear. What I was saying is that eventually, we will all become the enemy.
This is true. Fascism is a death cult. They must have enemies, they must kill, and they must fight until they themselves die. Even if they defeat their enemy, they segment off another portion of the in-group so they can have a new "other."
On one hand you're 100% right, but you cannot choose how others see you
But Obama wore a tan suit once, and her emails.
Wait, so now he's MS-13, not that other one Trump keeps butchering the name of? I know they provided zero proof of either, but still...
Now they're trotting out reports they've miraculously found of him being a human trafficker.
What, they're accusing him of being part of their administration?
I imagine Nazi Germany would have made very similar Tweets if Twitter was around back then.
The greatest country in the world my a**.
Well we are certainly grating again.....
"So is the US the greatest country in the world?"
"The US isn't the greatest country in the Americas."
Simply unworthy of any country. These are truly rogue state posts directly from the official White House account. Malicious. Vile. What a disgrace.
So he visited him and then what…. Back into the cell? They didn’t take him right then and there?
I had the same thought, this is so peak lib.
You’re there with the guy, and you have a court ruling saying facilitate his return. Do that, by cuffing him to yourself, and demanding they let you both walk away. El Salvador don’t want heat from abducting a US statesman.
But no, this is just a photo op it seems.
I do appreciate the idea of the handcuff thing, but they'd just cut it off or pick the lock.
Even if they don't abduct him, they'd probably be more willing to rough him up.
Right, you the hero would cuff yourself to Garcia. Then the guards would simply stop you (possibly before you'd even manage to do it), unlock or cut the handcuffs if needed, forbid you from entering the country ever again if not outright prosecute you, and possibly put Garcia under even stricter control and isolation, to, you know, prevent having people try to get him out.
Because realistically considering the consequences is... liberal.
You know Trump would absolutely tell the El Salvadorans to keep him out of spite. He'd have been fucked.
You are right. Please pm me your name and address and if you are ever deported to a torture camp in a foreign country I will let all senators know that you don’t want them to visit and will only accept help that meets lemmy.ml fever dream standards.
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This post is so stupid it's embarrassing
You’re embarrassed by the difference between performative politics for the press vs meaningful action to force change? Me too. If US democracy has any chance of survival we need far more of the latter, right away.
Gotta say, detaining a sitting US senator would be a hell of an escalation.
I think they mean Garcia isn't coming back, not the Senator.
As is evident in damn near every Trump social media post, they're not big on things like clarity in writing, grammar, proper use of capitalization, correct punctuation or things as simple as a fucking paragraph.
Even spelling is optional apparently.
It can not be real. Opens the link... HOLY SHIT
https://www.britannica.com/question/What-were-the-causes-of-the-Reign-of-Terror
https://www.britannica.com/question/What-major-events-took-place-during-the-Reign-of-Terror
Please do not romanticise such a horrendous period. If you hate McCarthyism, then you should absolutely despise this one.
Being labeled as the enemy during a revolution often means prison / torture / death, even if you're innocent !
Ever time I think Republicans have hit bottom they find another shovel.
*pickaxe
*fracking drill
MS-13 member according to which judge and jury? What exactly is he charged with? As long as we're ditching the justice system, we the people might as well make some extrajudicial convictions too.
"MS-13" here just means "brown people."
What completely shit Christians Trump Republicans are.
ACAB
The New York Times should publish this as its front page tomorrow, with malicious edits and all, and address it below.
They’re mocking the Supreme Court
Does the Grinch now manage the accounts for the White House?
So let me know when you want to organize international brigades. John brown clubs are welcome to connect with me.
Asking this in public makes you look like a fool.
Not really , at one point or another you need to normalize it. Also doxxing me would be difficult.
Yeah, and the engagement metrics are massive. This reaching people. Heck, I wonder if more eyeballs see this than the actual NYT article.
God, anyone, please send some meteors to Twitter data centers. And Facebook while you’re at it…
Happy to see that the guy looks physically ok. Hope he returns safely home soon.
I can photoshop better than that.
They're throwing Trump supporters a mental gymnastics buoy they can hold onto in this horrible situation that clearly makes Trump look bad. They just want something to believe in that makes them feel better about their current political views and positions. They don't care if it is true or not.
I think this is going to hurt the White House in the long run. By smearing these people individually, they are highlighting the fact that they are actual humans with life stories, rather than a swarm invading the country.
Implying that elections will have any meaning or impact next year
Nothing will "hurt" them unless there are consequences for their actions.
The Onion truly is fucked, reality has become more evil derp than they could ever make up
Yes:
https://xcancel.com/WhiteHouse/status/1913241658579440126#m
Imagine official government account tweeting shit like edgy teenager. How can any country of the world take America seriously?
Also they themselves admitted it was a mistake and now thry are furiously claiming he was achtually a drug warlord and he's not coming back to USA. They aren't fucking serious.
Lock her up!
It's the White Supremacy House.
Is this real? Crazy if so. Or, I guess par for the course....
Go see for yourself, op posted a link to the tweet: https://xcancel.com/WhiteHouse/status/1913241658579440126
Cruelty and punching down. Torturing Christians.
Somehow American Christians majority voted for this.
Jesus christ
They might think this is edgy but it’s actually very damaging to the US. Not only will no other country ever take this administration seriously, but if the government breaks their own laws, then other countries will also feel comfortable breaking laws
No blue check mark, so surely this is a joke account.
One potential plus of the Trump administration is that its communication style inadvertently gets people to notice about institutional media what Chomsky has been discussing for decades.
I wouldn't want to live in a country where mastheads and public offices are on the same page.
We will see a President Van Hollen in the White House next after Trump. Mark my words.
Is anonymous going to do anything?
We'll find out if they do something. The same way we would find out if someone did something anonymously.
All about the fake caring and photo ops.
Like all the posing with ICE? Or using drastically more expensive ways to deport only to have lower numbers? Or is it all about getting rid of people that "aren't like me" illegally and unethically?