‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele
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Media keeps saying "criminal." Exercising Constitutional rights does now make anyone criminal, natural born citizen or not. I gave up on mediaite being unbiased long ago, but we need to call out language of complicity.
People forget that all the people the Nazi's put in camps were also criminals. According to Nazi propaganda, they were responsible for the deaths of millions of Germans in WW1, for impoverishing hardworking Germans in the Great Depression and for terrorism in resistance to the Nazi regime.
No regime ever has admitted to locking up an innocent person. No dictator has ever said "Yeah, I put innocent people in jail".
This is why we have separation of powers. The executive branch has zero authority to call anyone a criminal. Only the independent court system has that authority.
Had
Oddly enough, Trump's DOJ did straight up admit they sent an innocent guy in to El Salvador, and said they can't get him back.
No, no... they didn't say they couldn't get him back. They said they don't have to, even though the supreme court upheld the district court order to facilitate his return. In a rare unanimous decision I might add. They're not even trying to pretend they care what the courts say at this point.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-defy-supreme-court_n_67fd3ad6e4b0c8069e85c34e
What the courts say only matters if it’s enforced. We need daily fines, removal from power, or even imprisonment as a punishment for this.
Remember, these are republicans, which are mostly (self proclaimed) “Christians.” These “Christians” need religion to tell them they will be punished for sinning because simply helping your fellow man is not a good enough “reward” for them. Everything is transactional.
They also didn't say he was innocent, the opposite actually. The official narrative is that he's super guilty of a million crimes, he was just "administratively" deported incorrectly, however the deportation is still serendipitous and deserved.
Obviously, he's innocent. That's clear for anyone except the most die-hard MAGA cultist. So, like, the average FOX viewer
Surely if presidents are able to appoint supreme court justices, there has never been separation of powers? And is that not a big part of why we're in this mess now?
You also need the Senate, not just the president.
But Republican senators have abdicated their duties and voters have not replaced them.
That's why we have this mess.
Makes sense, thanks for clarifying!
Paragraph 175 of the German code made homosexuality illegal. It had already been illegal under Weimer and the Reich before, with varying degrees of enforcement. The Nazis strengthened it, started going after even non penetrative sex.
Pink triangle prisoners were among the lowest of the low, similar to Jews. The goal was to work them to death, in the brick works. Theres a lot of horrific fucked up sexual sadism when you read these accounts. (Having sex with a man is only gay if you love him, I guess)
Then, when the camps were liberated:
Homosexuality remained illegal in West Germany until the 70s. This also meant that there weren’t even accounts of the things that happened in those camps, because the social stigma didn’t go away…
We've already seen the creep: first it was violent illegal immigrants, then it was any illegal immigrants, then it was immigrants waiting for due process on their case, then it was green card holders - not necessarily a lot of them, but enough to establish precedents and see how far they can get.
Now they're saying "violent US citizen-criminals" - but they run the state that determines whether you're a criminal and how violent your crimes was. Remember all those videos of non-resisting people being screened at by the cops "Stop resisting!"; remember bills in Florida and other states to label trans people sex offenders - that's what we're up against. Any resistance or non-conformity can and likely will be punished.
"First they came for ... "
they're even inventing new language for it: "homegrowns"
I think it's not new. "homegrown terrorist" -> "homegrowns".
I'm speculating they're going to use that angle. Using precedents set by The War on Terrorism (TM) to justify the next steps. The 50501 movement needs to be preparing organized legal supports for anyone who gets disappeared. I bet this is who they are going after next. Summer is coming. The protests are ramping up. What if it's as soon as the April 19th event.
The resistance is preparing for more than legal support I think
Also worth mentioning that they've only been snatching people off the street, meaning people who didn't have any active warrants. If they did have warrants, they probably would have been arrested already. They're not deporting people who are already in prison. At this point, "criminal" means anyone suspected of a crime, and that suspicion extends to any kind of criminal record, even if you've already served time.
Obviously, they're going to drop the "criminal" pretense soon enough, but they will start grabbing ex-felons first. I'm terrified for members of my family who absolutely fit the description of these kinds of targets: ex-felons with tattoos who look vaguely brown.
Literally just having a tattoo--even without having any criminal history--is enough to be sent to the gulag.
They send Mario’s brother and that might be the spark.
Feel like I’ve been saying this a lot recently, but it’s pertinent:
Camp Auschwitz was in Poland, not Germany.
I’m a firm believer that if we only accepted art based on the morality of the artist, the whole world would be a bleak shade of grey.
Gotta separate the two. You can say “X was an incredible artist and I appreciate their work, but holy shit were they a terrible human.”
We can acknowledge the spectrum of the human and let the good parts into the world and still shun the bad.
I think that's an easier argument to make with someone who is dead, like H.P. Lovecraft. It's a different story when the artist is still alive and actively profiting off the work you are consuming.
As a black dude, I'm still not reading Lovecraft....
Yeah, that's fair. He was so racist that even his contemporary racists were like "wtf?"
At this point there's really no need to anyway. Plenty of works nowadays that capture the spirit of the sort of cosmic horror he wrote about without the atrocious xenophobia, or at least touch on the topic in ways that deconstruct and/or scrutinize those views in a much healthier and compelling way.
Piracy it is then!
I would argue that it is not ethically possible to separate art from artist when consumption of their art can provide them any material benefit. If they're dead, it's a lot less likely to be problematic. Plus, there are plenty of great artists and writers out there who are not TERFs, nazis, or generally awful. Refusing them patronage is a double ethical failing of both lending aid to awful people and refusing to support smaller artists who have a harder time making a living when competing with the ethically bankrupt.
Fuck you, Trump. Make yourself an enemy to all. We will not back down.
i upvoted you and the french guy that got banned. you're both right. you bring the energy we need but he does make valid points. the left has been bullied far too much without fighting back over the last 10 years. some criticism is due.
A lot of criticism is due. But I, myself, am not the establishment Democrats. Taking it out on me in a Lemmy echo chamber isnt doing much to help the cause. In fact, it makes me so pissed that everyone is doubling down on generalizations. It just goes to show humans are humans, it doesnt matter what side you are on, hate is always strong.
Most people dont want to live in an opressive society. There is only right and wrong now, not right vs left.
Oh keep downvoting. and keep talking big game. and keep not even getting up from your desk chair in your computer room/bedroom to do anything other than bathroom/eat.
Americans love to talk shit about other nations being pussies. Now your president is threatening to send your fellow citizens who are democrats to el Salvador prisons to die. in reality. will you post another status? downvote my post? or actually act?
Our national anthem "home of the brave" is hilariously sad. We got attacked once in 2001 and we've been shitting all over ourselves ever since.
Only fascists themselves try this hard to waste our time.
Get fucked, buddy. You're an asshole. Your opinions are that of an asshole. You're out here talking to yourself; it's pathetic. I won't answer any response you have to this, I'll just block you.
Espouse your hate all you want; you'll get the same reaction 100% of the time.
Edit: the dissent to this post you see below is purely fascists trying to waste your time.
What sort of response is this? You yell something and then quickly put you fingers in your ears?
Bro what? I am a French anarcho communist who votes left and never hasnt. Been arrested three times for property damage during Paris protests tho!
You all tho, literally just talk shit. And never do anything. But elect Trump twice.
that explains your annoying outdated comments. referring to yourself as a extreme opposite of alt-right isnt exactly a flex.
so you are a nazi right winger? okay.
being anti-“that“ is also anti-fascist. i am absolutely anti-fascist. i believe in 1781 your guys got it right.
What is MacDonald’s? We’re not in Scotland.
and yeah, what leader of mine has concentration camps in el salvador and just said he was sending “home growns” next?
it sure wasnt a french leader.
And we’ll keep watching the USA fall. While you do nothing but post comments and downvotes. We’ll be here taking insults from him and defending Ukraine and nato treaties. While you all post, and downvotes. And order ubereats. And work. And voice super angry opinions in comment sections. Keep it up guys!
Don’t cut yourself on all that edge, kid.
huh? its edgy to suggest you fight in the streets to prevent american citizens being sent to el salvador prisons to die? uh…. in my country thats way past the point of a general strike and riot
I'm curious how far you'd have to march to riot against the rulers of your country?
Look, Idk what I did to you, but I got more going on than just Lemmy. Sorry you dont see Sanctus out there IRL, you wont. I dont look like this.
Lmao. This 🤡
My Great Grandmother shot and killed an officer that was taking her family away to a concentration camp. Is that where we're heading?
It's a pretty good likelihood that stuff like that is in our future.
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That's where you are I think.
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Heading? The early stages of the Holocaust we’re precisely that.
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We're there. Be ready to fight when they come.
Headed? No. We're there. If men in masks are telling you they're police and trying to stuff you in a van, that's it. You get cuffed. You're dead. Buy a gun while you can. Make your life cost a life preferably more. Don't let them put you in a camp or ghetto. Not a bad idea to go to a large gun shop in a state with next to no gun laws, find a person window shopping guns, strike up a conversation, and see if you can arrainge a third party sell. Then they don't know to be weary of you.
This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I'll do is take some nazis with me.
I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won't raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you're dead anyway. ''ICE kills US citizen'' is a much stronger headline than ''Trump says he will do this to citizens'' additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ''just following orders'' includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
This is important to remember
Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can't reason with them
They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you're a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They've already done this, they're just going to continue
They cover their faces and ID anyway, they should be blasted any place with stand your ground.
It won't hold up
Fascists have full support of the government to send everyone to concentration camps with no due process
Stand your ground isn't going to do shit. And every conservative will suck the government dick
The government will make shit up like that have. That will say you worked for MS13 like that have been
Or say you are a pedophile. Nobody will defend you even liberals. And then it is your word against their and truth doesn't matter. They'll proceed anyway and kill you
As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don't you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home
Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
You'll have to flee immediately after, because they'll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
And some job satisfaction.
Melt the ICE
Everyone should strive for 2 so we make progress
Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
They wouldn't correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
That is if they'd still don't just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people's houses. Don't wait. Force the issue.
We need a black panther revival asap
You need the people to come together. However that happens for you. Go eat with some folks you don't know from minority communities. The internet tells me Americans eat out a lot. Go to ethnic restaurants. Meet their families. Offer to help them buy guns to defend themselves. Defend them yourself openly and without shame. Put your own comfort in jeopardy for someone you don't know.
oh no, those extremists who protected from the police violence, and feed the hungry. how scary.
edit: sorry, I swype typed and I somehow ended writing the opposite I meant.
I meant protecting from police violence.
Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn't the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
I bet when "ice" agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
Yes, Republicans will start personaly hunting down anyone darker than snow.
I'm white but I hate their ideologies, their hatred for non white, immigrants, healthcare, basic decency. Fuck them. I wouldn't be surprised if I were targeted eventually
Wasn't the Electoral College also supposed to serve that purpose?
Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as 'population' and not people, so the south wasn't totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it's hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
You're thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.
The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.
Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:
In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.
Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn't mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.
I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn't enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it's still working.
non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don't wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things 'really' got worse. By then it's always too late. They're planning accordingly.
Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their "red line" and will draw an new red line. He's been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren't yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
Seems obvious when you think about it.
Why doesn't the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It's true he wasn't a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by "administrative error," there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they've already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn't complying.
If that's your bright line, maybe check out the boot that's straddling it.
My main criteria is can we fix it.
If a Democrat wins in 2028, we can hypothetically fix immigration policy, tariffs, and all the rest with enough popular support. In fact now that the far right has shown themselves to be a clown show, maybe that phase of America's maturation may finally be ending. We might even bring Abrego Garcia himself back.
But if we deport citizens - who can vote and participate in democracy - that puts the thumb on the scale. It makes permanent fascism like in Russia more likely. And it's worth dying to avoid that permanent fate. But if it's temporary, it just doesn't rise to that level.
They refuse to bring Garcia back because hes dead. CECOT is an extermination camp. Complete with giant pool of blood. It's a prison that never fills up.
We are no longer in some hypothetical what if state in regards to fascism. The President is sending people to death camps and as conservative as this SCOTUS is it ruled 9 to 0 ordering Trump to return Garcia. They refused to do so.
Buy a gun.
they dont want him back, because it satiates the rabid racists/and evangelicals, its perfomative politics.
If he came back he's gonna hurt Chump real bad with appearances on every news network (but Fox) and talk show detailing.his experience.
They won't stop unless someone makes them stop. That's how movements like this work, every single time. They never wind down on their own. They have to constantly keep increasing the cruelty and extremism, or else their base will see weakness and abandon them. However bad you think it is now, it's only going to get worse, unless someone puts an end to it. Historically, there are only a few ways a fascist movement has ever been stopped, and none of them are pretty.
Generally, things chug along getting worse and worse, until suddenly we reach a tipping point. Then something happens, often small and innocuous, and it tips. Then there's no stopping it.
The Berlin Wall came down when a single guard decided on his own that he wasn't going to stop the growing crowd that appeared after an East German government official accidentally declared at a press conference that they would finally allow emigration, following increasingly large protests. When the world woke up that morning, NOBODY knew this would happen that day. Not a single intelligence agency anywhere on the planet predicted it. It totally surprised the entire world.
Its likely that protests and outrage in America will grow, even among disgruntled MAGAs, and one day, its just going explode, probably over something fairly small. The fuse has already been lit.
This is the outcome I hope for. The other possibilities are a lot more messy.
We don't have 28 years for things to boil over. Could you even imagine what would be left of the country by then?
when you put it like that
I guess its a good thing the police havent been militarizing, and filling their roster full of violent trigger happy assholes who radicalized themselves into thinking they're the thin blue line between civilization and savagery,
There should never and will never be a point at which the police and military actually have control over the American population. Our population is one of the most violent on earth. We birthed those psychotic police officers. We made them. There’s no reason for them to scare us more than anyone else does.
They only pretend to have control. Anyone with half an iota of brainpower and understanding of numbers and revolt knows there’s only one thing to fear in this country and it’s the general population.
Are you suggesting that people just lie down and take it?
No, Im saying things are so far gone that violence is looking inevitable. and that the men of power are already well prepared to commit mass violence to protest their way of life by way of bloodthirsty "police" and private security on the payroll.
It's not going to get better until and unless citizens take the initiative to reclaim their country.
Yea, I have always thought about the future scenario. When they get tired of picking on the immigrant, they'll turn to citizens. Really crazy and scary thought to even have to consider.
The cleanest way this can possibly end now is with the cult leader being removed....one way or another. Assuming the cult collapses afterward and doesn't just attach itself to some other scumfuck that immediately steps up to fill the void.
The optimistic side of me believes this can happen. MAGA has tied themselves and their movement very tightly to Trump. Not to conservatism in general, not to any kind of policy in specific, but to the unique personality of Trump. They tried with DeSantis, and he flamed out hard. They're trying with Vance, but he's such an awkward goof that it'll never work.
I don't think the MAGA virus can survive in another host, and I think that's why they are trying to rush into full on Fascism while Trump is still around. Once he's gone, the Republican party is going to eat itself in the power vacuum.
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If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I'm only joking a little.
I started carrying again. "Feared for my life" will ring very true with real consequences.
Same, I used to just carry in my neighborhood while walking my dog but I'm daily carry now.
-Gun toting democrat
He's openly defying the court that handed him powers of an emperor. What else ya gonna do?
Emperor status doesn't stop bullets
"... People think they are smarter than me... Maybe... Maybe. But I have yet to find somebody who can outsmart bullet." - Heavy (TF2)
Hell, at this point if you're non-white or an any-race non-Trump supporter. You're the enemy and a criminal if you've ever spoken out against the administration, Israel, or for equal rights, etc.
To that I say: come at me assholes
I'm a standard-issue white dude, I know my voice will be heard, so I speak out against this bullshit whenever and wherever I can.
This. White people need to be as loud as possible right now. The more pushback the more we can help protect the most vulnerable.
If you are non-white in the US, you should be carrying around a replica grenade when you leave the house, and if they gestapo try to grab you can try to bluff your way back to safety.
I’m only joking a little.I'm pretty sure people have a theoretical right to protect themselves from illegal kidnappings regardless of who's doing the illegal kidnapping. Either way, I don't think a stance on protecting one's self from kidnapping is that edgy or controversial of a stance as your comment seems to imply it is.
Would some sort of “Ruby Ridge” stand off be enough to get this to stop?
It won't end until the US finishes southern reconstruction
Even during the fucking war the Union would let men off scot free if they’d pinky swear to go home and stay home. (And often they didn’t!)
If we had done anything about Jan 6…
If there is no due process & the sentence is death, then Americans must resist arrest at all costs.
I feel as though now is the time to resist at all costs.
Americans are pussies and don't understand what that means. they think screaming "please don't" is enough.
so many are going to be sent to their deaths because they were civil about it for far too long.
Buy a gun and if they come for you kill as many as possible
This is where our country is heading
buy a gun
Yes you reading this. Even if you're white.
Arm yourself.
And organize, they can and do pick out people who are alone, as they are cowards. If there are 10 of you walking, armed, they are less likely to fuck around
The first people that die in a war are typically women and children. Usually because the competing militaries don't issue them guns.
Only if your white; blacks and browns will be gunned down even if they have a stick or nothing.
If they're gonna claim you have a gun and shoot you either way - you'd might as well have a gun.
So why not have a gun??
Better idea would be to move around in a group of 5-10 people as you would in any third world country, or in Trump's words shithole country.
Oh yeah, so the 5-10 people can be declared a gang who were attacking police after they are mowed down defenseless.
There are a shit ton more than 5–10 police a radio call away. You're still outnumbered and defenseless.
Yes, a group of any number of people will be out numbered. A single armed person is a casualty, a group of unarmed people not willing to let illegal kidnapping from happening are much more effective.
The history has shown that all the kidnapped people have been kidnapped when they were alone.
This reads like you're telling brown people not to buy guns. Is that what you're trying to say?
I am saying USA is white colony pretending to be a country where anyone who is not white has no right.
This is the correct approch. I can't stress this enough, when it costs ICE their lives, and the headlines are "12 citizen killed by ICE" then people will stop sitting on their hands like this is nothing. Don't let them put you in a ghetto, don't let them put you in a labor camp or a death camp, CALL THEIR HAND EVERY TIME, If you let them take you, you're dead anyway.
I would go absolutely feral. Ripping their throats out with my teeth and snapping any small bone I can grab.
This goes for anyone being kidnapped in my general vicinity as well. If I see that shit, it turns out that that is a good day to die. I will do it with glee.
Watch me laugh with their blood running down my face.
This is the way, this is real shit. I too would go absolutely animal for my loved ones and myself, go berserk.
Do it. Force the issue. Hang in the immigrant communities. Meet the people. Teach them what you would do, help them arm themselves and prepare. Then fight with everything you have. They're not coming for you specifically just yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Yup.
I am anti-gun and always have been and still believe a nation with more guns is going to have more death and generally be less safe.
But it is absolutely time to arm yourself.
Cops dragged my buddy out of his car and shot him for having his legally owned pistol. How in the fuck are we supposed to resist ICE with guns?
Your friend was obeying the law, and trying to obey the law. When you aren't trying to comply and you are fighting for you life, it's a very different set of actions. No one's waiting to get dragged out.
ie, your fucked, but at least you can murder people on your way out
Right wing ideologies are based on fear, they're all cowards deep down.
If enough of them die kicking in doors they'll stop.
They have proven that if you comply at best, you will be denied rights, beaten, in a labor or death camp, and likely dead.
i agree with you but if you're willing to die at that point, why wouldn't you just take action now to stop that scenario from happening? if we wait till the wolf is at our door, we've given the wolf the advantage of initiative. you don't win wars by waiting for the enemy to strike first.
The CIA has a wonderful piece of training that's publicly available online called ''simple sabotage'' I'd highly recommend reading it. Also Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. Totally unrelated, a lot of campers really like to use a home made fire starter that's waterproof, there's a lot of good recipes usually petrol products and shipping materials, very simple. also I'm in a Drone building club at school, it's not related to this, but it's a lot of fun.
Or by saying "when it happens to me or my family". How fucking self centered. That's what got you in this fucking mess.
yep. american individualism is a denial of the very basics of humanity: we are social creatures. we got to the top of the food chain through cooperation, not by being the most alpha of lone wolves.
"much harder to buy a gun."
Buddy I won one at a fucking raffle no questions asked.
That's not legal in any state.
I used to run gun raffles, and the way they actually worked is the organization doing the raffle would partner with an FFL, and what they actually won was a gift card redeemable for the exact value of the gun. That gift card would be used for the winner to purchase a firearm, including a NICS check.
California?
I think you have to wait for the sun to set and rise like half a dozen times before you can pew pew
Yes, a BG and a waiting period. That's all. Also you're always 2-4 hours from NV where you don't have to wait and if you buy 3rd party in NV, your in Ghost Town, baby!
Pretty easy to get a gun unless you're a felon.
Stop spreading misinformation.
We only need the guns because dumbfuck conservatives ushered in American fascism.
3rd pary sales don't require any information exchange. Meet some one in Cabella's looking at a new hunting rifle they want? Maybe they'll sell you a gun at their place for the price of a new rifle. It's the wild west man. If they cared there wouldn't be a loop hole you can drive a dump trunk dragging 100 rusty bikes through.
There isn't a single state in which the barrier to owning a gun is more difficult than a background check and a waiting period. I'd recommend a glock 9 for reliably and performance. Good luck, and good hunting.
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Getting a gun is as easy as going to fucking Walmart and having them order you something from the warehouse you have to pickup a week later.
How is it hard to get a gun in America? What the fuck??? lmaooo
The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can
Um how? Who wants American Refugees?
Some Americans already have dual citizenship and so have other options
im a dual citizen myself but cant get my passports because im trans 🙃 that and broke as hell but still. id get stopped at the border because a guy with a fullass beard with a 'F' on their passport is considered fraud.
I know of a trans woman that was successfully able to get their passport recently.
Please stay safe!
Thank you friend. Unfortunately because of how deep red my state and how stupid the UK is with this stuff I'm stuck. Just hunkering down and preparing for the worst.
Move to a border state like Washington, get an enhanced driver license and cross into Canada? EDL functions like a passport for land crossings.
Not sure what sort of federal checks are done for issuing those and if it’s still possible, sorry
Wish I could lol. Broke as shit and I can't just leave my family behind. Unfortunately to get Real ID I have to provide my citizenship documents but those are in my deadname + birth sex and I can't get them fixed without a baseline of $1k (have to pay for at least 2 private doctors in the UK to verify I am my chosen gender, plus court fees and 18+ months processing time).
I'm so sorry. And the UK is also increasingly discriminating against trans people too, ugh
It's rough and tough out here. If I knew I was going to be illegal as a kid I would've been so hyped for what crimes I did, but apparently just existing is one ahaha.
the United States does not recognize dual citizenship.
so if you get branded a criminal or terrorist, they're coming after you. and they will absolutely threaten your second country into extradition if they want you bad enough
The highly-skilled, educated, and non-crazy ones of working age are actually great for other countries' economies. If you work at a gas station or are crazy, not so much.
I have been unable to convince my spouse despite 9 years of trying. Really sad because we had two good options but chose to stick it out because of family (I say to hell with them but don't have a veto proof majority there).
Can you put something in place for when things inevitably deteriorate?
If I were you, I'd be applying for visas I think, or maybe just preparing a visa application if it's too costly to actually apply for one.
lol I have no real skills to offer another country. I am dead.
Then arm yourself and do what you can.
If I bought a gun I would blow by brains within a month.
This is unbelievable, I could be deported. Me and my Dad were born on a military base, but that will not matter or my Grandpa was a respected general. My name isn't English, tattoos, but I'm white and don't know Spanish. El Salvador will be a death sentence in more than one way.
Like I'm telling the few people I have and it's being downplayed, "that won't happen", " or "stay off the news and go have fun, you're stressing out". Like no, I'm gearing up for whatever comes, plan A to Z. I will NOT be torn away what I built for my family or my kids future.
Time to buy a gun. The left needs to arm themselves fuckin' yesterday.
Don't think that they won't come for you. The law is powerless to protect you from having your rights trampled on under this administration. All it takes is for King Trump to declare you a gang member and they have carte blanche authority to disappear you off the street.
Was yesterday too late? I feel like one person having a gun hasn't been able to do anything meaningful with it for a long time. Except maybe defend themselves from a dumb home invader.
The point is there are only so many ICE goons out there. If every person they tried to disappear took one of the bastards with them, this would end pretty damn quick.
Maybe. Maybe not. The bystander effect is real. And they have something to lose. If I'm being disappeared off to a death camp somewhere, I literally have nothing to lose.
I'm really torn on this. As a trans person, I'm a member of one of the groups most targeted by the regime. I've wanted nothing to do with firearms in the past, because frankly, I've dealt with a lot of depression at times in my life. Never enough to have any attempts, but enough to really give me pause about owning a weapon. The only weapons I want to own are fantasy props I make in my wood shop. I'm the exact opposite of a violent person. I am an educator; my greatest joy in life is when I can see my lessons spark the light of knowledge in others. Truthfully, I want nothing to do with firearms.
But this environment really makes me wonder. I would honestly rather die than be shipped off to be raped to death in some hellhole in El Salvadore. I would not survive long in a place like that.
I am very conflicted on this. Fuck this world. These are the kinds of choices no one should ever have to make. The world has gone mad.
This makes Bukele complicit in the crimes of the Trump administration, right? Isn't he worried about the repercussions when the rule of law is restored in the US?
He is illegally kidnapping and restraining US citizens.
No, he's not worried. And he has good reason not to be. He knows history. Obama didn't hold the Bush administration officials responsible for their crimes. In fact, he happily kept using many of those illegal powers himself. And Biden didn't hold the first Trump administration accountable for their crimes.
Liberal Democrats have a core character flaw. They don't like confrontation. It's the same impulse that causes them to reflexively seek out compromise with Republicans at every turn. They have this narcissistic trait that makes them think they can achieve their place in history by being a grand peacemaker. They always seek reconciliation without accountability.
I guarantee you, if another centrist Dem manages to win in 2028, their very first official act will be to come before the nation, try to be the grand peacemaker, and announce, "it is time for the nation to move on, all is forgiven!"
They can't help themselves. They're cowards to their core.
When? You mean after the UN liberation forces finally secure Pennsylvania Ave?
Bukele doesn’t give a shit.
Cut from the same cloth as Trump, Bolsanaro, Berlusconi, Orbán, Lukashenko…
He better be, cuz if we ever get out of this we're fucking coming for him.
He's perfectly safe. All he did was take a deal for money from the official US government. Another administration can cancel the deal, but no one will seek retribution from him.
The guy that proudly calls himself a dictator? Cooperating with the guy who said he would be "dictator for a day"?
What an unexpected turn of events...
I agree with you, but he doesn't have any citizens YET. Abrego Garcia was a legal resident, not a citizen.
The citizens will begin to be sent to these death camps soon.
I look forward to hearing of Trumps very timely, very well earned death. I hope tomorrow.
With the way things are going, that fuck would die peacefully in his sleep.
He's already in hell. The fuck you think any of us are gonna do to him that he isn't constantly torturing himself with. If you want him to suffer, you should be happy. ish.
No one mourns the wicked
I suspected about two weeks ago that I would, at some point, be a likely candidate for being sent to CECOT on the basis of daring to be transgender, and this is only more supporting evidence that it’s gonna happen.
Unfortunately you’re absolutely correct to be worried about this. Part of Project 2025 is the criminalization of Transgendered people under the rubric that they are inherently “pornographic”.
Donald Trump is literally, yes, using the correct expression: literally -- a homegrown criminal.
if things get any shittier, this administration is going to have to stop people at the border in the opposite direction
We'll be the new East Germany.
I wonder how long before states start considering secession again.
The sooner Blue States leave the Conservative Centipede, the better. I don't view conservatives to be fellow Americans anymore.
Same.
If you vote for a felon rapist traitor who sent a mob to stop the peaceful transfer of power, illegally attempted to overturn an election, already had a failed presidency, and is now enacting a fascist agenda that's deporting American citizens to foreign prisons, I do not consider you an American anymore. You are an enemy of everything it is to be American. Primarily and functionally, the Constitution.
Too many lines have been crossed. It's time to start calling conservative voters what they are. Enemies. Because this far into this, there are no more excuses. Ignorance is not an excuse anymore.
Maybe 4 years of this insanity is the wakeup people need
As someone who's been around long enough I can tell you it absolutely won't be for conservatives. They never learn. Ever.
The most you can possibly get out of them is some light verbal disapproval of someone on their team, typically if it involves their wallets taking a hit. But when the time comes, they will ALWAYS vote to keep their team in power, no matter how vile and/or criminal they are.
We already had 4 years of Trump. It sucked that time and it wasn't enough to convince nearly half of Americans
Yup.
Teams are more important than America now.
I wonder how shitty this administration will have to get before enough people get motivated to take some significant action to stop it?
Unlikely to start with me since I have no intention to travel to the US.
I hope you guys can fix your country before it gets too far gone.
guns
Guillotines
FPV drones and energetics
Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!
I can't stress this enough, arm yourselves.
form collectives where you can. establish secure forms of communication. engage online only to rally others. train.
The gays, the blacks, the Latinos, the homegrowns, anything to avoid words that humanize their targets. Conservatives are people no more and no less than those they target.
That's a really good connection that people don't say out loud enough.
He is literally begging to be put down like a rabid animal
In Minecraft.
That new rabid animal mod, in Minecraft.
I wonder what kind of payoff Bukele is getting from Trump to keep someone that Bukele admits was wrongly sent to El Salvador but he refuses to return him.
Unfortunately, the dudes probably dead already. Happened to that American student years ago in South Korea too. He was on a trip and got sentenced to a slave camp for "defacing a poster" if I recall, and as the family was fighting for his release, oops he's in a body bag now. At least they sent his body back for the family.
Assuming you mean North Korea, and yeah, probably dead.
20k/year. TL;DR, it's also making the country poorer, so no financial benefits whatsoever. It's just pure spite and hatred...and for what?
At least Nazis made soap from them, and made them work. At least they had the excuse of needing land, improving the species.
Trump is just THEY BROWN, BROWN = CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL = EVIL!
I've been warning everyone, people won't fucking hear it. Disgusting.
The NG can be used as law enforcement by the Governors though. That's a legitimate training for them to get ...
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
checking all the dictator boxes
This is the audio with choppy video
https://files.catbox.moe/cz3erx.mov
I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
(Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)
So you’re complaining about my pointing out the fact that someone is complaining about my complaint?
I wonder… how many layers can this have?
No I’m not complaining I’m Stating a fact. If you’re gonna be like this why don’t you just stay on Reddit?
So my stating a fact is complaining, but your complaining is staring a fact?
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And as I remember, Reddit was full of people that complained a lot about people complaining….
A LOT.
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I've already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you're doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I'll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
Wait… you want an award because through all your nonsense blathering and personal attacks that weren’t even relevant to any point- you didn’t downvote me?
Well why didn’t you say so, my guy?
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There ya go!
(In fairness, I did’’t notice the .ml, otherwise I’d have given you your little gold star right out of the gate to avoid this disaster of a discussion)
lol defaulting to an instance attack, you're such a parody.
Anyone can see from our last conversation that even when replying in good faith you just refuse to engage, there is no point in trying to bring any sort of real conversation with you.
Anyone can also see from your modlog, you've been crying about voters for months and are still continuing to do so.
idk wtf the award pivot was trying to do or what you're even trying to say lol. Again, I'm glad I could engage with you so someone else doesn't have to and possibly thinking you might actually be a real person to have a conversation with. The only reason I've gone this far is so people can actually see the links and how you respond. Blocking doesn't help if it just means someone else has to put up with you instead.
And I stand by my every argument against cutting these clowns slack because they have finally decided that now is the time to stand up against Trump.
They should lie in the bed they fucking made right alongside the rest of us. They don’t get to just blend in with everyone that actually tried to stop this. They need to own it and apologize. And they need to be reminded EVERY FUCKING TIME THIS ADMINISTRATION DOES SHIT LIKE THIS THAT IT IS PARTIALLY THEIR FAULT.
Because if we EVER have another election and we EVER find ourselves here again, they need to know what damage that comes from smug entitlement.
And lastly- I don’t really give a shit that you are upset by this anymore than I’d expect you to give a shit that I’m pissed off about a bunch of childish entitled kids that haven’t a clue about how anything works enough to get off their asses and vote.
Don’t like it? Block me.
But all you’re doing is complaining about complaining. So…. Maybe have a seat in this boat of mine.
EDIT: oh shit, I forgot-
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lol you must really not talk to anyone outside of the internet if you think anything you said sounds remotely sane or like you aren't an entitled child trying to sound smug.
whatcha mean by that bud? I think you're getting confused with all your edits.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt "help" make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
I can ask the question to both.
But if your only part in keeping fascism out of America is through voting- and you won’t even do that, you’re part of the problem that caused it.
There is no other way this can be.
Bring it you orange fuck.
"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles"
He means the violent militia types.. right?
First this would never happen because of our laws second he did say that the people he would want to send to these kind of jails wouldbe top of the line criminals And it would cost substantially less to have these criminals in a jail there. Now I’m not saying it’s OK I think if you’re an American that committed a crime in America you should be in an American jail
They are being paid to send people to a death camp, no one is intended to be released from the prison in El Salvador by their own admission. ICE has already sent people there who committed no crime.
if Venezuela would take their own illegal immigrants these people would not be sitting in a jail in El Salvador. Second this jail has made the lives of many El Salvadorans safer. There is a reason why their president was voted in with I want to say 85% of the vote, Now I don’t agree that Americans should ever go to one of these jails if you’re an American that commits a crime in America you should serve your sentence here. But to call these places death camps it seems like you have sympathy for the rapist and murderers that do belong in this place. When this place was first built and they showed the criminals that they were putting in these jails the people of El Salvador were very happy mind you obviously they never expected to have Venezuelan immigrants in there. But what the jail originally stands for and why It was originally built was for a good purpose. I’m not seeing you directly but I’ve seen some people that were trying to compare CECOT to The holocaust which is absolutely insane because the people in this jail are violent people and the people that died in the holocaust were Innocent. And the thing is the last will never win another election again if they keep up with that type of mentality and bullshit mindset
Your defending authoritarian abuse violating our own laws and many international agreements of what basic human rights are. Your ENTIRE opinion is a cold wet shit no one wants. I hope you recive the treatment you claim is ''good reason'' in every capacity. I'll gladly live through what I think is fair and lawful, because I know what I support ISN'T A FUCKING CRIME AGAINST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS!
My opinion is my opinion and I can believe in what I wanna believe that’s the whole beautiful part about living in a country like America that I have the right to say what I believe in. The whole point of these websites are to be able to have a conversation for you to be able to tell me how you feel and why I should feel that way, It’s not for me to come and shit on what you believe or what you think we can agree to disagree that is the whole point of these websites not to call people Nazis in bootlickers just because you don’t agree with them. I’m sorry I have to say this because I hate to stoop to your level but it shows how low your IQ is.
Also the fact that you think you could call me a Nazi when I literally got Banned from Reddit for saying that a Nazi should be punched in the face is just hilarious to me
And how many days have you spent in El Salvador how many times have you visited the country? Because my family is from there and I hold dual citizenship And travel there a lot and trust me the country did a complete 180 Because of the president. But let me guess you would be happier if the gang members were still out in the streets terrorizing innocent people right?
You do not have a leg to stand on.
Your are just vomiting propaganda. You ought to consider your health more son, cause they amount of bootlicking you're doing, your going to come down with a case of cherry blossom poisoning.
The thing is, there's absolutely nothing you can say to justify any of this.
Due process is a right.
Even convicted criminals in prison have rights.
Convicted criminals in prison have certain rights, including protection from cruel and unusual punishment under the Eighth Amendment, due process rights, and protection from discrimination based on race, sex, or disability. While they do not enjoy all constitutional rights, they are entitled to humane treatment and access to legal processes within the prison system.
This El Salvador concentration camp has none of that. People go there to die.
Again there's absolutely nothing, not a god damn word you can say to justify this. Think it through.
What do you have to say about Laken Riley? Maybe she would still be alive if the people that were in power at the time didn’t have the mindset that you have. That alone is enough to justify it, President Bukele Said yesterday that when they were interviewing one of the Venezuelan immigrants they asked them a couple questions to vet them and Terrorist illegal immigrant gang member said the last time he got arrested in America was for shooting a cop in the leg, that was his sixth arrest. What do you have to say to justify that? What if that cop had died? Or what about when the Venezuelan gang was terrorizing communities in Colorado making them pay Extortion money. What justifies that? Why should these people be treated the same and have the same rights that you and I have?
Due process is the way to prove you're a US citizen and/or not a criminal. Without it, anyone can be arrested and sent to another country to be killed.
If you don't stand up for the people around you, who is going to be left to help when they come for you?
These people are illegal immigrants you act like they’re deporting American citizens. And I will state what I said earlier I don’t agree with them sending American citizens to foreign jails if you committed crime in America andyou’re American you should serve your sentence in America
They are deporting people without due process.
US citizens have already been deported. US citizens have already been sent to El Salvador prisons with no criminal charges. Due process is not being done.
They could take you next and there is no legal way you could stop them.
You are literally lying. No AMERICAN CITIZEN has been deported to El Salvador, not one. You are literally spreading lies, The guy from Maryland was NOT an American citizen. Stop spreading lies and misinformation because anybody with a brain could literally do their research and find that what you are saying is not true. Please use your brain and Do your due diligence with research before you believe or just say things. Right now at this moment there is not one American citizen sitting in a El Salvadoran jail That was accidentally deported by this administration.
Dude. He's already breaking the laws by sending people directly to CECOT. He's ignoring court orders and the need to get an order of removal for people. They're arresting people just for speaking Spanish without having a passport on them, like that Puerto Rican family.
If they're ignoring all the rules for people who can't pony up citizenship paperwork in time then there's nothing stopping them from quickly deporting a natural born citizen. Hell, anyone on the street without documents on their person is a valid target under the observed tactics.
They are not being honest with you.
County supervisor Juan Miguel Martinez said “ There has been NO CONFIRMATION that there was a Puerto Rican family picked up by ICE for speaking Spanish outside of Walmart, this story is FALSE. I have been working with Alders and orgs to verify this and nothing has been confirmed.
Remember that when we spread misinformation, we are helping the people that want to destroy us. It isn't your fault though, misinformation has gotten so sophisticated it is hard to tell what is and is not real. Let's stay vigilant. Let's not freak out. Let's keep working.“
Stop listening and believing things right on the spot, please do your research look into it. Because all you do with stuff like this is spread false information. As soon as I read what you said I looked into it and I couldn’t find nothing to verify it so you are spreading false information
Seems like someone’s not being honest with you actually. I don’t base my opinion off of one thing that I see. I don’t see one new segment from a specific news channel and say yup that’s what I believe. It doesn’t matter if it’s right wing news or left-wing news or non-biased news If I see something I do deeper research into it and then I come to a conclusion. In this case the Puerto Ricans that supposedly got detained by ice for speaking in Spanish is a completely fabricated
I'd believe it all except you leave out any details. Almost like this is a canned response for any allegation of ICE detaining Puerto Ricans. Because to be clear, a simple Google search reveals there are multiple allegations of multiple instances.
No amount of sane washing is going to push this under the rug.
This is literally from the county supervisor from Milwaukee. It’s wild that someone proves a point to you and you don’t wanna believe it just because you wanna Believe what’s already in your head. There is no credible source about this story whatsoever you are literally spreading false information and lies just so people can agree with you.