Joe Rogan Slammed For Claiming Resurrection of Disability Slur Is 'One of the Greatest Cultural Victories'
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Sorry guys, this one's locked now. Y'all need to grow the fuck up.
It must be nice to have so much money and freedom from consequences that that's the kind of thing that bothers you.
Or such little money and brain cells that that's the thing that inspires you to go out and vote against your own interests
I’m absolutely convinced that there’s a certain threshold of money/power/privilege that just destroys a person’s humanity.
Nah, you've got it backwards. You don't pursue that level of money/power/privilege unless you lack humanity. These guys were always shit, but power made them more effective at being shit.
Lol, I'll never understand these people. The word "retard" was never gone. At no point was it illegal or impossible to say it, similar to any other word. The worst consequence for saying something that's bound to piss people off is just that, pissed off people. You never faced jail time and I can't think of anyone "canceled" for it.
They want to drop the hard R with zero blowback.
Unfortunately for them they don't get to control how others feel about it. They're free to say it at any time though. All the redneck cowards I live near use it all the time, when no black people are around.
Racists and cowards. Lovely.
You should hear the ways they justify it when pressed. "You don't have to be black to be a ...", "not all black folks are one, but this one is.", "why do you care, you're not black.", etc.
They're usually one and the same. You don't come to hate entire races of people out of logical thinking.
Ain't no-one calling me ginger and getting away with it!
Unless they have a tinge of the ginge in their fringe.
Ginga, please!
We all know they have no souls. It's not like they're real people anyways.
The gusp I gasped was so intense that I broke the pearls I was clutching.
There was a real moment during which celebrity reactionaries feared The R-Word would result in the kind of deplatforming and loss of advertising patronage historically reserved for The N-Word or any of the Seven Words You Can't Say On TV (which, curiously, did not include the N-Word at the time).
So the worst consequences wouldn't have simply been "pissed off people". Perhaps they'd have endured lawsuits, de-platforming, or even vigilante violence (not uncommon in religiously-tinged censorship - like with the Piss Christ display or the Draw Mohammad contest).
Not when the current regime is friendly to your operation, no.
But if you look at what's happening to pro-Palestinian activists and Women's Liberation organizations, it's obvious that state and civil institutions have lots of tools for fucking people over based entirely on their stated political views. The real defense that Rogan, et al enjoy is having their friends in charge.
I mean, their position falls apart when you ask them what they think about the college students being oppressed for protesting.
They do not care about free speech. They care about experiencing social consequences when using hate speech.
So calling Trump a regard is acceptable then?
That's not a gotcha - tbh the "left", to the extent there is such a thing in the US, would be more likable if it used the language of the actually existing working class to communicate its criticisms of capital. Tone policing is not an effective way to organize the proletariat or to spread class consciousness
You are a asshole for calling someone retarded. It is so incredibly offensive that you have to be a special kind of jerk to say it.
What about the word is offensive?
Is it just as offensive as calling someone stupid, moronic, dumb, or an idiot?
Is it that insulting someone's intelligence is inherently offensive? Or is it just that it's one of the most recent to become medically obsolete?
i can only speak for my experience. growing up autistic, i was targeted due to my different ways of thinking and acting for bullying, using the r-word to belittle and demean me, far too many times, for hearing it used to mean 'bad' to feel like anything but an attack on me or those like me. when someone uses the r-word casually, it hurts, and a fully automatic system, borne of hard experience, files that person away as a probable threat. i don't understand why people want to use the word so badly, knowing it hurts people, and knowing it's not necessary or even all that useful of a word.
It is much worse as it implies that they are disabled due to there extremely low intelligence. The word by itself isn't bad but you shouldn't call someone retarded.
I believe it comes from the metal retardation diagnosis from 70 years ago or so.
But calling someone an idiot is explicitly insulting their intelligence just the same.
Make Hate Great Again?
Some fucking people man... Their entire identity is hatred and gargling Trump's balls...
/thread
Glad someone went there.
Joe Rogan also claimed Musk did a roman salute and how we are all crazy for thinking it's a nazi salute.
A Roman Salute is literally the Nazi salute lmao.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240719151050/https://www.workingclassicists.com/post/the-antiquity-to-alt-right-pipeline
Lets call it N word salute and see what the ratards do.
Goodness gratious, comedy is alive again.
The 90s: I used to use it back in the day, until one time I volunteered for a handicapped kids event, and saw how this one kid with Downs got really upset at someone calling him "the 'R' word" (I had never heard it put that way, or even considered it as truly harmful).
Anyway, I wiped it from my vocabulary after that. I still consider it a slur, unlike idiot, which is more generic, and not used as a specific slur against intellectually disabled folks.
Good on you for making that change, and having empathy for others.
Idiot has the same entomology as retard though, does it not? As does stupid? They all start as medical diagnoses and then assholes turn them to slurs and then the medical field refines and renames and things start to repeat.
We had special education class, Special Ed, for kids struggling in certain ways, so if course the shitty kids would call kids "sp-ed" because of course they would.
I'm not sure when the line gets crossed or if we should have gone back or what, but retard, to me, has a very particular connotation that is useful for describing certain people's actions. I don't do it any more because I'd rather live in a peaceful society that fosters respect, but it is one of those things I "don't get"
The euphemism treadmill.
(I think the conversation here is more about etymology than entomology)
“Sped” is often how teachers refer to special education now too. I was a “sped teacher” for a bit. Referring to a child as “sped” would be gross and dehumanizing, but I think referring to a “sped class” isn’t considered pejorative.
It’s weird how worked up people get about “political correctness.” If you call someone ‘r-tarded’ you’re doing it to upset them, and you are also communicating that the status of having an intellectual disability is so degrading to be considered an insult. I’ve worked with lots of intellectually disabled adults and children - I don’t know that I would want to compare those people I loved and cared for to someone that I would want to insult.
fwiw Sped was used as an insult when I was in school a couple decades ago
Yeah, clearly many people in this thread have never spent any time around people with disabilities, it doesn't take long to feel an innate disgust for the word and anyone who uses it, short of technical/scientific usages.
You've all been able to say it this whole time, just a lot of people agreed it makes you a shithead. That hasn't changed, and it's familiar territory for Rogan, so this is no surprise.
i mean it is ONLY used to mock a very specific group of people and, historically, it was used to incarcerate and experiment on them.
But language changes and evolves, and words get imbued with additional meanings over time through a bunch of complicated factors and contexts.
Just because 'idiot' and 'retard' were used similarly once, doesn't mean they're the same now
We don't need to fully understand the process in which the word has changed to know that lots of people find it particularly insulting, degrading and oppressive, and to decide to stop using it because of this
Coincidentally, "Rogan" is also an r-word that's synonymous with moron, imbecile, or idiot.
that's not how i use it, but if that's how you use it, than yeah sure. But i don't.
It is how you use it, even if you don't mean to.
If you use 'gay' as an insult, that doesn't become OK if you only say it to straight people. It's still some massive drive by homophobia.
The reason to stop using this as an insult isn't to protect the people you're insulting, it's to protect a third group which has a dark history with the word
I use it in reference to all Republicans.
That exactly is the verb ("to retard"). You might mean the noun "a retard" which does not have good uses I can think of.
Retardant, retardation, retarding, retarded and a ton of other drives words also do indeed have actual real world meanings and uses that have nothing to do with humans.
Honestly, calling this admin retarded is valid because a lot of them genuinely seem to have an IQ low enough to get that medical diagnosis.
idk how they haven't choked on their own spit tbh.
the difference between autistic and retarded is that autistic people can actually fight back and say that the use of autistic hurts people
Unfortunately retarded people can't really do that, have to be the face and name called out at anything an individual thinks of as dumb
What? No.
Clearly you do not know anything at all about those two groups or the myriad of different functional levels the can come with those diagnoses.
Here is a thought experiment, do I need to know someone or something to use their condition as an insult?
Nah you dont.
The way you are using your narrow minded view of autism and the mentally handicapped is not only highly offensive, its also wrong. I have personally worked with and cared for people on the autism spectrum from the level of "nonverbal infant level" all the way to certified savant. Its a spectrum for a reason. I have also cared for people, for literal years, who are diagnosed retarded that are more capable and more functional than the "normal" people i see at walmart. And also hold steady jobs better than their non deficent coworkers.
Heres a thought experiment for you. If the things you say are so blatantly wrong that you get downvoted, called out, and ignored for your offensive views, but still want to double down, are you yourself retarded?
I dont know you. And i dont know your mental acuity. But i am using that word as an insult. That should answer your question i think.
You may introduce yourself as someone knowledgeable, I don't give a shit, the word is frequently used has gotten bad connotations and influences how others think
I'm sure you're a good person but you are trying to keep the use of a word up with no reason, using your experience simply to back up that these people are more than what their words claim to be, then using the public's view of me against me without a proper answer
I don't see these people as ill in the head, others may, but I don't, and words DO hurt and they should stop being used
Stop being a dick over a word that gives bad rep to people you personally interacted with and no benefits from its use.
I am not going to change my mind, saying 'retard' and 'austistic' as an insult is bad and has its more decent alternatives, English doesn't need to use very personal conditions as insults to begin with. why on earth are you DEFENDING ITS USE?
Bud im not saying that these words are not bad. I never said they weren't. They are. Im saying that these words have power. Im hoping you get that now, especially now that ive hit a nerve enough, that maybe you can learn off of what you said in your initial comment.
Im asserting that your broad generalizations are equally bad. The spectrum of autism, retardation, and mental handicaps as a whole are so much bigger and more diverse than the assumptions you made. Thats my message. Thats the point im trying to speak. I hope you can eventually see that.
Yeah, it's definitely not cool to use this word against mentally difficient people. It's exactly the same as calling them "morons" or "idiots".
Mentally disabled people are often such kind souls. They don't need that.
Yes. 🤦 Jfc, "asking me not to use a slur against disabled people is a slippery slope to asking me not to tell people to kill themselves." Fucking, good!
Btw, you can make your argument if you want, but then like, where do we stop? If I call a straight person the f-slur, is that acceptable? I'm not actually saying it at a gay person, I'm just insulting someone by suggesting that they're gay. Is it ok for a white person to tell another white person they're acting like an n-word? Exactly how far are you willing to take this bullshit?
how many times do i have to explain that im not using it against disabled people.
I like how you completely ignored my arguments.
Is it acceptable for a white person to tell another white person they're "acting like an [n-word]?" Yes or no.
it wasn't good, you just threw some shit in a bowl and went "ooh argument"
again, i'm not saying that people are acting like retards, i'm calling them one. There's a contextual difference that you don't seem to understand.
Now if we're going to fix that argument for you, free of charge you would say something like "is it ok for a white person to call another white person the N word?" could go either way depending on the context. Heavily context dependent usage.
I’ve got no stick in this fight but just wanted to chime in and say you’re losing this argument buddy
God, what a shit perspective.
Comparing someone to a category as an insult is also insulting the people in that category regardless of whether the person it's directed at is part of the category or not. Calling a white person the n-word is offensive to black people, calling a straight person the f-slur is offensive to gay people, and calling neurotypical people the r-slur is offensive to the mentally disabled.
If I call you a "pasta eater" it would only work as an insult if there's an unstated assumption that eating pasta is bad. If I call you "gay" it only works an insult with the unstated assumption that being gay is bad. This isn't rocket science.
How about it's just in poor taste to use it and its use probably says more about the user than the target?
And, if you use it, just be prepared for someone to take exception to you using it and you might just trigger yourself an ass beating or some other adverse consequence. Kind of like playing with fire crackers or bullet ants. Maybe, just maybe, you can find a better way to insult someone that's a little more clever and incisive and makes you look like less of an ignorant asshole.
I couldn't agree more! South Park is funnier with the beeps for a very good reason. Creatively stepping around saying offensive things is usually way funnier and more interesting.
They can’t afford to expend the mental energy overhead required. Their mental bandwidth is constrained enough as it is.
i can't think of a single description that would fit these people, other than the definition of retarded. It's literally a perfect fit.
In my book, if someone says their a fan of Joe Rogan or they quote him, they're dead to me.
Seems fair to me. I wish I lived in a world where the only platform he'd find is a street corner where no listens to his ranting.
Sometimes my pedantry can't help itself, but the "their"s you used should have been "they're"s
Divorced middle aged dad energy
Wonder how long he would think this if everyone just started introducing him as "The Retard, Joe Rogan." I'd bet the very millisecond it started to affect him personally, he'd be changing his tune. These fucking ghouls don't want freedom of speech, they want the ability to police OUR speech.
Isn't that how people already refer to him?
He deserves much worse words tbh
What did ghouls ever do to you?
It's only when they go feral that they're a problem.
I grew up in the same culture acceptance of these terms, but I've grown to think of it like this. If I wouldn't say it to the group of people it's describing, using it to describe other people carries the same meaning.
You can't separate the term from the group of people it's offending. So using it as an insult reinforces it's meaning and acknowledging why it's offensive. So it's equally wrong.
It's the same reason I don't say the n-word or why I wouldn't use the derogatory terms used for trans people even in a joke.
It never went anywhere, there was just a heavily monied effort to quite literally equate it with the n-word.
In the immortal words of George Carlin "it's bullshit, and it's bad for you."
This entire subject is a distraction. Stay focused on the major problems these clowns are creating, and we can all have a war of words when the fascists have been expelled from the highest eschilons of the US government.
I mean, i never really stopped calling people like Rogan and Trump retarded... But calling it a great cultural victory, is just... Retarded.
Just in case anyone had begun to consider that Joe Rogan is anything but an absolute infected boil on the ass of civilization.
The mother fucker double dips. Pay for his show and still get ads. Fuck that.
That's your primary grievance with Joe Rogan?
The only way I'd be ok with Rogan using that term is if he publicly discloses the results of an IQ test and he got sub 70...
And even then, it would only be ok if he was self identifying as that label, not calling anyone he can't understand that.
I hate this guy almost as much as Asmond Gold. Who I fear is much more insidious going after young impressionable “gamers”
Asmond Gold sounds like the cheapest pack of cigarettes.
He is
But I gotta give him some grace. He’s just trying to fill his “dad hole”
https://youtu.be/_v3KiaAjpY8
I swear, the videos this guy makes are some elevated art form we don't even have a name for yet.
Honestly, if the culture war has been going on this long and the "greatest victory" they can show for it is feeling comfortable using the r slur again, thats just deeply sad for them lol.
Ironically, retard was originally a kinder word cooked up to describe people with lower intelligence, along with moron, idiot, cretin, and imbecile. Over time these became pejoratives. Just kind of interesting to see how language develops and terms intended to avoid offense over time turn into ones that offend people.
As the saying goes:
Honestly it was the politically correct word in the 80s, although it was simultaneously used as a slur. A lot of those people are still alive and just hate having to constantly change to new language.
Every time we come up with a technical term to describe people with medical impairments to their intelligence, people begin using it as an insult.
I guess here's hoping "intellectually disabled" doesn't catch on (hopefully too wordy).
I knew a guy who used "delayed" as an insult after HR told him to stop calling people retards. It offended people just as much but wasn't against the rules.
People will find a way.
There's a name for it- euphemism treadmill
How this fucking australopithecus became a thought leader, I will never understand.
So the steroids got to his last brain cells. Good for him.
Personally I don't really care about these words getting used outside of hateful intent, except that their continued casual use leaves the door open for haters to use the words. I grew up with a bunch of aboriginals who used abbo, widely considered a slur in Australia. I don't use it anymore because it leaves the door open for haters to use the word. I will call some of my gay friends poof, another semi slur, but only in private. It's not about your intent when using the word, it's about the effect on society when the word gets used.
Solid perspective
Retarded is what you call your friends when they're being retarded
Michael Scott
I’ve had a bad habit of using the word and every time I do I feel like an asshole, attaching Rogans name to it is an excellent deterrent mnemonic device.
you might say it's an excellent retardant in your impulse to say the word
Well in that case I hope those public hangings will be swift and not retarded by any mishaps.
Edgelorde
Just call them Rogans from now on
is this where i say that we should cal him "Whee Rogan The Little" ?
using WRTL as an abbreviation is permitted and encouraged.
Is that pronounced “wertle”? Is so I love it.
Joe Rogan has really sold out to his mentally absent base. What a victory for them.
Was he really slammed though?
I'm not american and don't care about politics but I was watching a show the other day and when Rogan appeared as a guest I had to shut off after 5 minutes. This person is so annoying I couldn't stand. Don't know how you guys do it. I didn't even liked him in newsradio and I loved the show.
It's okay if he uses that word, he has the pass. The ivermectin really set his IQ below Forest Gump levels.
Come on
And slam
And welcome to the
JAM
I watched Space Jam with my daughter last night.
Wow what a fucking turd. I remembered it so fondly too, in reality I think theres about 30 minutes of closeups on Michael Jordans face.
Don't blaspheme in this holy house, heretic!
The word should be exclusively used to refer to Joe Rogan from now on
I'm down for that
Of course retards like Rogan and Trump like that word.
toe rogain just using the slur that describes himself perfectly
it's what the (R) stands for, ain't it?
Idiot! Imbecile! Moron!!
What's interesting about those is that they were originally medical terms (which I'm guessing @[email protected] knows). But, for those who don't:
Moron was coined by a psychologist in 1910. He tried to make it fancy by using an ancient greek word "moros" which meant "dull". It wasn't an insult, it was meant to be a clinical term "used to describe a person with a mental age in adulthood of between 7 and 10 on the Binet scale."
Imbecile "originally referred to people of the second order in a former and discarded classification of intellectual disability, with a mental age of three to seven years and an IQ of 25–50".
Idiot "was formerly a technical term in legal and psychiatric contexts for some kinds of profound intellectual disability where the mental age is two years or less".
Then they became used in popular culture just to insult someone or describe someone who was stupid. Even their order changed. I'd say "Idiot" is the least insulting now, but used to be considered the most developmentally challenged.
In any case, "retard" also started as a clinical term, actually meant to replace idiot, imbecile and moron because they had become too widely used by the public and seen as insulting. Handicapped and disabled replaced retard when it was seen as too insulting. Then things moved on to "differently abled" or "challenged". It's been called the euphemism treadmill.
In the end, saying "retarded" was never illegal, at least in the US. It was just seen as crude. That hasn't changed. It's just that people who worried that being seen as crude might hold them back no longer think they have to worry.
They're talked about in this film
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_(film)
I think theres a copy on youtube.
Honestly you probably shouldn't use those words either
Actually idiot might be ok
They're obsolete in original meaning. I came across these words in the film Stupidity. It's a bit dated, from 2003. I think there is a copy on youtube.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_(film)
You see, the problem with that word is that people who want to keep it around really make me wanna use it.
Roided retard Rogan relishes resurrected....ribbing? Shit, I'm stumped.
I feel like I'm reading a season opener for Letterkenny.
I've always preferred fucktard, it's more satisfying
It's interesting how this isn't removed even though it's arguably more disrespectful than actually saying the real word lol because it's basically saying an even worse version of you know what.
This man is nearly sixty years old
slam
SLAAAAAAAAM
journalism!!!!
They can describe themselves again. I suppose that could be considered cultural restoration?
What a mong.
Fun fact! 'Mong' is an abbreviation of 'mongoloid', a term used as a slur for people with Down's Syndrome. The fun part is that the reason for the term being used is quite clever! Those with Down's Syndrome have a usually noticeable difference in their facial structure, with a wide, flatter face and smaller eyes. Features that are rarely found elsewhere, first discovered in natives of the country Mongolia!
he's an almost 60 year old man.
I've never met anyone with this disability as vile, hateful, violent, or senseless as any of them. And that's saying something because once one beat me up on the playground.
That's retarded
Unfortunately yes
R****d fell out of favor probably close to 15 years ago at this point. Developmentally disabled/intellectual disability has replaced it.
I don't know about you, but calling someone less intelligent IS an insult. Doesn't matter what you name it.
That's the point of insults you know.
Can we still call people morons?
Yes.
That one stopped being used as a medical designation prior to people getting their panties in a twist about using medical designations as insults.
This is why I prefer "willful ignoramus" when I want to insult a person like Rogan. These people aren't just stupid, they're choosing to be ignorant.
The real problem is the stigma attached (throughout modern history) to people with intellectual disabilities. Every new term eventually became a slur, because the same bigots who use slurs are also bullies.
"Intellectual disabilities" has a slim chance of avoiding this because it's too long to say and too hard to spell.
Btw, "lame" and "blind" are examples of how it's similar for all kinds of disabilities.
who is saying that an intellectual disability is a bad thing? You're the one arguing it's a problematic discussion. A lot of people are intellectually challenged, is that also rude? Or is that one fine, is it ok to say uneducated, or is that questioning the socioeconomic status of a person, and therefore, also rude.
Just because something is defined in a rather terse/blunt way, doesn't necessitate it being a negative thing, that was the problem with "retard" and "retardation" being used, it turned into an insult, and as a result, fell out of favor, because it fucked up the medical definition, which is now "intellectually disabled/disability"
Sometimes weird deformities happen, sometimes people get physically disabled, or are physically disabled, sometimes people are cognitively, or developmentally disabled, both are fair depending on the context, because neurology is fucking weird. I mean we call certain things "disfigurements" because it's not normal. If they sound bad it's because you've negatively associated these words to concepts that bother you.
yeah but who uses it like that? I don't. I just use it because i think it's a funny word and i think it has situational comedy potential.
I'm not going to seek out people with mental disorders and call them retarded, that'd be evil.
You're basically arguing because one person is a terrible person, that we should change to accommodate against them.
You are literally using intellectual disabilities as an insult. That is what you are doing.
You are shootin' the shit... by using intellectual disabilities as an insult. You can't pretend that that's not what you're doing.
dude c'mon
Nobody's "associating" anything. Nobody who's calling someone retarded has any thoughts in their head about people with the mental disorder. If you called them a downie, then you would probably have a point; as it's specifically worded to relate to downs syndrome.
But "retard" has come to be an amplification of the word "idiot". It's like the words big, bigger, biggest.
It's the "biggest" of "idiot".
So if I'm gonna call someone an idiot, my levels of idiot are: Idiot, Dumb-ass, and Retard. I'm just calling them the word that corresponds to being a gargantuan idiot. You can't use "gargantuan" because they don't even know what the words mean; so you use retard.
hey I have a question: how does everyone feel about "fucktard"? is that acceptable? it's not a direct insult to persons with developmental disabilities, but it does have a fairly specific connotation that could be useful in certain situations, plus it throws out an F-bomb to emphasize your anger.
but if that's too offensive for some folks I guess I can just keep using "fuckmouth", if that's easier on the ears.
fuck mouth might be too insensitive for those of us who have or don't have sex, so basically all of humanity actually.
I'm rolling dude! haha
"Retarded" isn't a medical definition under IDC-11, so they aren't retarded, as the medical definitions have changed.
Also Retarded has another standard definition -- Being held back or stunted of which applies here.
Lmao, that's a stretch.
if someone is stupid, and making objectively stupid decisions, it would be fair to call them "developmentally challenged" especially if that person is donald trump, and the stupid decision is tariffs.
Would it also be fair to call him a retard? Yes.
should you? Probably not, would it be justified, yes.
It's only really fucked up if you're using it belittle and demean someone, though there are also situations where this is deserved. Morals and ethics aren't really a solid ground to stand on, more so a floating mass of garbage in the ocean, that just sort of, showed up one day.
yeah, probably shouldn't doesn't mean you can't though.
Just because you probably shouldn't yell at people, or swear at them, doesn't mean you can't or won't.
Not everything in this world is a binary, sometimes it's situationally appropriate, sometimes it's not, sometimes it's in between.
Maybe try to come up with a more creative way to insult people than by using a slur?
This is the same logic behind saying the f-slur is okay if you're not using it to describe gay people, you're just using it to insult a straight person... by comparing them to gay people. See the problem?
No, because I'm not calling anybody a removed.
Just so you know. (I'm guessing you weren't removing it yourself for a joke.)
So you understand why it's bad to use a slur that way?
Reclaiming a slur to describe oneself is a very, very different matter from using it to insult others.
i dont always use it to insult others, and nothing would stop me from using the f slur with my friend group either, gay or not.
You could make the argument that it is offensive to use the word, but that's kind of the point. (not to any specific group of people though)
It's honestly very disappointing to see this here on Lemmy. I'd expect this from Reddit, but I thought people here were better than this.
Yes. This place and this post in particular is in dire need of mod action.
OK, so you and your boss act like children. Thanks for outing yourself.
Yeah, because it's hilarious and takes the edge out of the day. It's funny when I've just spent 15 minutes trying to find something, but didn't see it because it was up too high.
Oh, you're short. Now your attitude and comments make perfect sense.
Joe Rogan is also short, so this clocks. It always comes back to getting no bitches in highschool. Disco Elysium baby!
true, fuck short people, i hate short people.
this is satire, obviously, i'm doing a funnyWhat the fuck are you even on about?
He's sick of being called a bigot or Nazi or something
That's the shittiest copper you ever had
Typical .world shit SMH
Can all newspapers, when writing about Rogan, now use the term "Noted r-word, Joe Rogan..."
what drinking too much donkey juice does to the brain
I'll bet he doesn't even have a certificate that says he doesn't have donkey brains
Joe Rogan identifies as a South Park character: offensive and two-dimensional
So he wants people to call him that?
Tsk. Maaaaannn... Smdh.
What's wrong with people
Joe Rogan, king of dumbasses.
every conservative thought leader is a dumb persons idea of a smart person
It’s still used today in valid contexts, e.g. in the automotive industry, “retard timings.” The only real slow or dense person seems to be Joe.
flame retardant.
Amoral bastard should be strapped to a pole and horsewhipped
Outside of having people over with some interesting topics Rogey is a below average comedian.
Those interesting topic people would have been better off in another setting.
Also Rogan is a right wing propagandist hack, nevermind his lack of comedy skills.
I agree with you. Do you think he knows he's a right wing propagandist, or does he think he's espousing libertarian values?
Now now Little Joey, just remember that word can be used to describe you and your snowflake friends.
Ironically, this comment supports Rogan's point. Shaming people for using a particular word is pointless, because the word is just a word. The insult is being called mentally handicapped, regardless of the actual word used. The argument against using the word was to remove the stigma against people with mental disabilities - but people will just come up with a new word. If you are insulting Rogan by insinuating that it is bad to be mentally handicapped, then you are perpetuating that stigma regardless of the particular word.
Woah, you just blew my retarded mind
How could this word even be removed. Unlike the N word it actually has legitimate uses. I didn't even know it was "bad" to say.
The lefts incessant battle about words and PR policing has been part of the reason we keep losing elections.
It's such an easy way to drive the casual person away, when you are constantly switching definitions and trying to trip people up to call them assholes, because they didn't immediately agree with you about switching the definition of a word.
They are such nonsense issues but they are fantastic at dividing left from right, and even splintering the left itself.
It honestly feels like some right wing think tank tried to come up with a way to undermine the message and credibility of the left, by having them fight word battles all day long. And oh boy has it worked.
It's very similar to some cointelpro strategies for derailing leftist meetings by trying to drag out processes and procedures. I guess that doesn't work forever though because processes can get refined in ways to minimize disruption and mitigate the effects of bad faith behavior, and also there are a lot fewer leftist organizations with procedures that can be abused. But there are leftist discussion spaces, and those can still be derailed and made alienating with language games.
I feel like it shouldn't be political to not use hate speech
is retard classified as hate speech under the US federal government?
Is anything classified as hate speech? I though it was subjective for the most part
yes? Legally hate speech is not protected under the first amendment, so by definition something must be classified as hate speech, racism for example. Generally hate speech. I don't know if this word specifically would be.
I guess you could subjectively classify it as hate speech, but there is a lot of hateful speech out there, so that might get redundant pretty quick.
i think there's some nuance and intent definitely matters however i still think it's something you would avoid saying, it's like half a dozen words
you can do the exact thing you want to do, without having to police specific word usage, it's misdirected focus, that's the problem.
i think the biggest problem is that it's a less effective use of time, you could spend that time on something more productive, like building a better community, or improving support for marginalized groups, but no we're hear yelling about joe rogan being stupid instead.
At the end of the day, i just don't think it's very productive.
i'm not an example lmao, i'm a retard on the internet. If i was leading by example i would be a successful politician, not here yapping with people.
You realize we've lost all three branches and have basically lost every position that matters? Women are worse off, Trans people are worse off, colored people are worse off. The lack of self reflection is staggering.
Note also that I never mention any specific word, yet you're going off like some lunatic white knighter.
That is the problem. Not only are people bickering about words, they are bickering about whether we should be bickering....
no one has ever been offended by the word removed, unless they are getting offended on someone else's behalf to virtue signal
do you think virtue signaling isn't a real thing, or that it never happens?
No. Maybe sometimes they are. But generally, racial slurs are used explicitly to be racist or offensive.
There is nothing wrong with the word retard or retarded. Use it if you want, F the word police.
Yeah, it's just words bro you can't police sound duh /s
Context is everything, if you ever knew and cared about someone with disabilities, you wouldn't think that way.
I watched this episode and, unlike the comments in this thread, it wasn't removed until I slowed the playback speed down.
I don't know where we got this idea that "retarded" was as vile and pernicious as The Hard R, to the point people don't want to repeat it. Nobody with intellectual disabilities I've heard from has such a visceral reaction to it, anecdotal as that is. The outrage seems completely invented and it gained a momentum of its own.
"Idiot" was also a medical term for cognitive disability, should that go away too?
99% of the time I hear it used, it's interchangeable with "stupid" or "idiot" and not derogatory towards literal disability.
it depends on how far back you go with this one, if you were to remove the racial pretense from it entirely yeah it would probably be fine.
But if you just sort of retconned it in like 1970 through timetravel or something, i mean it would also be fine because nobody would know what it previously was, but hypothetically that wouldn't be ok, because it's historical roots are the same.
Its the history and usage of the word that matters. Given enough time, the n word will probably lose it's vile status and become more casual. Like every other word before it.
Those people might be a little retarded
TBH kinda with you here, is it just the relatively recent proximity of the use of the word to refer those with intellectual disabilities?
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I actually looked this up and found a timeline, which shows the use is much more recent in medical contexts than I thought, Rosa's Law 2010 is where it's use was superceded in federal usage.
I honestly thought it was a kinda 50s to 70s kinda deal, not 70s - 2010; this does change my perspective and opinion a little bit, and I do feel a bit more sympathy as of how it's still very much within living memory for some.
At the same time, I wonder whether those who take issue with it being used casually (not in reference to intellectual disability), take the same issue with the use of idiot, moron or imbecile, as retarded was used because those terms became common place and slang, not exclusively medical words.
I think that once the cat is out of the bag, (and the fact that both the medical society, and general society has moved past a single catch all term for intellectual disability) you can't really keep a word from developing it's own life.
I will note, my opinion doesn't hold any real weight here, as I'm the UK we never had AFAIK a diagnosis of "Mental retardation"
And MAGA as a whole are retarded.
The biggest retards of all
Very bigly.
The biggest retards of all, people call me and they say "can you believe how many big retards we have?" And I say "no," I mean it folks, you are the biggest retards of all, believe me. My uncle was nuclear it's all computer"
I am retarded and I agree. The word has never left my vocabulary. People have been calling me retarded as long as I can remember. I've got the pass and I give all of you the pass. It's just word. People have called me far worse and many of my closest friends and family who would take a bullet for me call me retarded all the time. Just like I call all of them retarded whenever they do or say something retarded.
In the wise words of the Black Eyed Peas: "let's get retarded in here."
we're all a little retarded at the end of the day, if you squint hard enough, it might even be pretty retarded. Because there isn't anything to see, it's a metaphor.
Anyway, this joke has overstayed it's welcome, i will be on my way now.
I just hate that they deleted my comments and told ME it's a slur I need to be upset about.
I ain't upset about "retard" being used against me or others.
The .world admins can kiss my ass.
Oh wait I gotta be careful. Don't want the retarded admins banning me for using my own words.
Sincerely,
your friendly neighborhood retard.
yeah, ultimately the only thing worse than unbridled bigotry, is misplaced accusations of bigotry. That's one of the unfortunate things with this problem, and similar ones like it, is that unless you judge it by the character of the context, it can be really wide sweeping sometimes.
anyway, i hope you have a swell day fren :)
You too fren.
You can't say retard anymore. You have to say autistic. Somehow that's okay now.
Using autistic as an insult, the same way Joe Rogan wants to use the aforementioned slur, is absolutely not okay.
I see the humor and the word being used as such on videos all over with the comments being positive. It's not what I do, it's what I see.
Autistic isn't really a general purpose slur tho. It's not even really an slur. That shit is specialized use only.