"his grave is annually shot by local police"
-Fred Hampton was a black activist from Chicago -- an extraordinary speaker, youth organizer for the NAACP.
-He joined the Black Panthers and shone so brightly that he was made chair of the Chicago chapter when he was only 20.
-He founded the Rainbow Coalition, which brought together Black and Latino activists and radical anti-poverty Catholics. He forged an alliance among major Chicago street gangs to help them make peace and work for social change.
-In 1967, when he was just 19, Hampton was identified by the FBI as a “radical threat.” The FBI tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation to get the groups he’d drawn together to distrust each other, and getting an FBI plant next to him as a bodyguard.
-(This is part of an illegal FBI program called COINTELPRO, which aimed to paint black civil rights activists (among others) as violent and threatening. If you’ve only seen pictures of the Black Panthers as armed and dangerous revolutionaries, and never heard of their children’s breakfast program, their community health clinics, or their “copwatch” patrols, this is why. It’s because COINTELPRO was a highly successful work of political propaganda.)
-On December 3, 1969, Hampton taught a political education course at a local church, and then several Panthers gathered at his apartment for a late dinner. One of them was the FBI plant bodyguard, who drugged Hampton.
-At 4:45 AM on December 4, a squad of Chicago Police officers and FBI agents with a warrant to search for weapons stormed the apartment. Investigations later showed they fired between 90 and 99 times. The Panther on security detail, Mark Clark, was holding a shotgun. He was shot, and the gun went off into the ceiling. This was the only shot fired by the Panthers.
-Fred Hampton, in another room, didn’t awaken. He was shot in his bed. Twice, in the head, at point-blank range. He was 21.
-Four weeks after witnessing Hampton's death, his finance Deborah Johnson gave birth to their son, Fred Hampton Jr. That’s him in the photograph, visiting the grave of a father who died before he was born. A resting place riddled with bullets.
If all you know about Fred Hampton is that decades after his death, cops still fear him this much, you know what a great man he was.
I understand what you mean but I don't think this comes from a place of "fear."
I think it does. Cops were terrified of Hampton. They had to have him drugged before they were brave enough to storm in and murder him in his sleep. Remember how scared Dorner made cops?
Fred Hampton absolutely blurred the line between soldier and activist. Honestly, what is more scary: one soldier or an activist who is building an army?
Agree to disagree I guess.
Anybody can shoot a gun with relative accuracy at combat ranges. Don't be ridiculous, we aren't creating supersoldiers here.
No one who shoots this today is thinking about any of that.
There is fear imprinted in their "cop DNA".
Rofl. Yeah... that's it, you've solved it.
Edit: You people understand their bullets mean waaaaay more than your online hot takes right?
Then go ahead, here's your chance; inform us.
Oh you're so edgy you might as well be emo.
He obviously still has a hold over them mentally. If that isn't power I don't know what is.
Hate comes from fear.
If we take what you're saying as truth then that means people who suffer from anxiety are more likely to be hateful.
I don't think that's true. I think fear certainly plays a part but I can very safely say I hate people that I would never be afraid of.
Not really. It has more in common with disgust. I know it's a common trope though.
I remember teachers trying to make us kids feel better when someone had gotten bullied. "He's just jealous of you". Even then it struck me as something incredibly forced and not true. Having heard bullies laugh about the sentiment afterwards gives me reason to think they weren't jealous.
The same "lie" is being fed now, only in a different format. "They were afraid of him". No, they really aren't afraid.
Bullying is very much fear based. People while high self worth do not bully others. Bullying is always an internal weakness lashing out.
You may only remember jealousy as one reason but there are many reasons for bullying others but at its root it's an internal fear of inferiority.
When you recall the bullied reacting to this asssessment, what do you imagine the response would be; immediate self reflection?
Yes, it's fear-based. But the bullies do not feel fear or jealousy. That is a completely fabricated reason, made to comfort the bullied.
The bullies want to make others feel smaller. It has more to do with lack of empathy, and nothing to do with fear.
Why would the bullied feel self-reflection for being lied to by parents/teachers etc? I think you got it the other way around.
I do not expect them to self-reflect. I expect them to deflect. Which could be attributed to them laughing at explanations for why they are bullies.
Belief that they are laughing because they know it is false is not back up by the behavior profile.
For example, if someone told Trump he has narcissist personality disorder because his father refused him the lover and praise he craved as a child, if he stopped and pondered the accusation, it's actually more likely to be false than if he explosively reflects the accusation.
There are well defined behavior patterns. These patterns are continuously being developers and reworked but the implication is that we are not these unique snowflakes.
We are actually incredibly predictable at an individual level and our true motivations are knowable even if we refuse to acknowledge it; especially when we emotionally reject acknowledgment.
I asked why the bullied would feel self-reflection, as if its their fault for being bullied?
What if i said that the bullies grew up in happy families, well adjusted. They just have/had a superiority complex and looked down on others. Not all fit the nice mold that you describe.
And it doesn't take away the fact that kids are lied to, for comfort that doesn't help in the slightest. Followed by the nonsense nowadays where every bully is described as "afraid".
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Suffering is yet to come
Yea. Why would they fear him? He's a dead man, not an acorn.
Fred Hampton is the acorn pigs fear most. the tree he grows will end their existence
Remember you are talking about cops, bastards who will attack old protesting man, only if he is outnumbered 3 to 1.
We can only hope to live lives that leave fascists seething for generations after we die. Rest in power.
I'd rather lead a life that leaves fascists dead after I die. But I'll take seething as a consolation prize.
The only time republicans were for gun control. When black people took up arms in self defense.
The first time I heard about the Tulsa race riots it blew my mind that it wasn’t common teaching in schools.
White folk told black people to gtfo and go build their own town, so they did and it prospered while the white towns went to shit. So of course the racists are like “we gotta kill all the black folk and burn their town, cause they’re doing better than us!”
And this is still the underlying cancer in America. We're here today because Obama broke their brain.
Popular, two -term, erudite, black man as president with no scandals.
No non-mustard/tan suit related scandals you mean!
Pretty bold of you to say obama had no scandals.
*Tulsa race massacre.
It was not a riot. It was a targeted organized attack to kill black people.
True story! This is the exact reason that California has such strict gun control laws
Pretty much sums up the right wing perfectly. Zero ideology, just reactionary stupidity.
The rest of the story from Wikipedia:
Funny I just read that a bit ago, some of their sources cited appear to no longer work.
Link decay is actually a pretty serious problem that no one seems to have an answer to and it will only get worse.
its very easily solvable from a technical standpoint. the reason we cant is entirely because of copyright laws.
archive.org page mirrors could be used instead of direct links, the problem is that archive.org is in danger of being sued for hosting those mirrors.
that would still leave a single point of failure, but if you implemented a bittorrent style version of archive.org you could easily archive any webpage and media forever.
everything structurally bad about the internet is bad because of copyright laws.
It's also part of the rewriting of history. AI is going to make the mutation of facts even easier as more people feel comfortable asking AI questions. They can program it to vomit out whatever misinformation they want.
I remember growing up people saying "Once, it's on the internet. It's there forever". Turns out, the Internet is subjected the power of entropy like everything else.
Huge swathes of the internet being shut down via overzealous copyright enforcement isn't entropy.
Like everything else that's killing or at the very least making worse all the best qualities of the internet, it's enshittification to maximize profits and corporate ownership of every aspect of life they can possibly get their greedily grasping hands on.
The FBI assassination part seems to be corroborated by this National Archive page https://www.archives.gov/research/african-americans/individuals/fred-hampton. I guess NARA being an official USA agency, they would not make a claim against the FBI without being certain.
Yes thats 100% true, Fred was drugged, moved to a different room, and killed while unconscious.
However all other aspects of the raid are inconsistent among various witnesses: who shot first, where the gunman in the first room was killed, how the police presented themselves, etc. The agents responsible deserved to face time for the wrongful killing of Fred, but the raid on the compound in itself is an expected outcome of the Black Panther's actions. Their ideology created this outcome, using them as some sort of icon now 60 years later is disingenuous and pointless.
If it weren’t for the Black Panthers there wouldn’t be meal programs in public schools. The BP “Free Breakfast for Children” program was so popular and so effective at raising awareness and popularity for the BP party that the government became paranoid that they were constructing an effective “fifth column”. All of the sudden states started passing laws creating food programs for public schools in order to undermine their message.
Nothing good happens in this country unless the rich are scared. The same thing applied to the New Deal.
And recently with the actions of Mario’s brother (horrible “death panel” decisions were put on hold, etc.)
You are allowed to say Luigi here. We're not Reddit
There is some allure to indirect references I suppose.
Meanwhile half of lemmy will get mad at you for thinking that holding signs over some sidewalk won't do more good than making the rich scared.
Jfc that’s dark. Fred Hampton was a badass who was murdered by the state. But that’s not enough and they shoot his fucking tombstone? Get the fuck over it! You already killed our guy to suppress a movement. You don’t have to be aggrieved any longer, you fucking pussies.
He was murdered by cops who have since retired, this is being done by newer pigs who want to show their loyalty to the boot.
Nobody actually knows who shot the headstone, it was discovered damaged in 2016:
As far as I can tell the notion that it's a police tradition seems to originate from a possibly sarcastic post on r/stupidpol on that other site.
But he was definitely assassinated by the police and the FBI, which is probably much worse.
I guess the way the idea police tradition theory has taken hold so well is because it's so plausible.
Yeah, but it hurts to have 'myths' like this perpetuated. My line of thinking is that if you wanna hate cops, there's plenty of actually true things to use against them. If you float a story like this it hurts because someone that is happy with the police will point out that this might not be true and now you're arguing about whether this is true vs. the disgusting behavior of US police.
I agree it has the air of plausibility, but it feels like hearsay to me. If it meets others' threshold of "truthiness", I can't fully disagree, but for me this isn't over that threshold. I'll choose one of the few hundred other police abuses just this year to criticize them.
Yeah, I get you, and I agree entirely. There's no shortage of genuine shit to throw at the police. Inventing stuff just casts doubt on the genuine shit. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that cops were behind this but all we have is speculation.
Eh, I think at least for the past few decades it isn't actually too plausible.
Any known discharge of a firearm by police requires some sort of review. While they may be super lax and claim all sorts of false rationalizations for shooting a living person, I think even they would be unable to come up with a rationalization for discharging at a headstone in a public area.
Now if it is "take a whack at the headstone with a crowbar", I could believe that, but I don't think they'd risk shooting a headstone out of the blue.
I think "known" is the operative keyword here. If a police revolver goes off without a citizen to hear it, did it still make a sound?
Revolvers aren't exactly known for being stealth... It's just too much risk to desecrate a grave of someone who was dead before most of those officers were even born that most folks have never even heard of. At this point even the oldest on the force would be a generation removed from any officers that were working in 1969.
Still horrible, but thank you for adding important context.
Jesus. This story needs to come with a stiff drink. RIP.
ACAB. That cannot be said enough.
As a proud father of two young men, this absolutely breaks my heart while simultaneously pisses me the fuck off to no end.
The people in power are good for nothing cowards. “In God We Trust?” Yeah, if this is what your God allows, then fuck Him and fuck you too. I hope everybody involved in this murder rots in whatever wasteland of Hell they believe in.
Goddamnit.
Anyone who can find any reason to shoot at the grave of a young respected political activist who worked against the side of hate deserves denial of peace in the afterlife as well.
Thanks for this post. The police propaganda was so successful that even i have seen the black panthers as a violent gang, without realising it. Thanks for spreading knowledge about people who have fought for their rights and the rights of others even in the eyes of horrible oppression and death. May we be blessed with more people like him.
The Government wouldn't let black people create their own state and wouldn't let them integrate into white society. What other option is there besides the threat of violence to defend ones own community at that point?
These days, there are options like being kidnapped by the cops and sent for life imprisonment in El Salvador.
Should make the headstone out of metal so it risks ricocheting onto the shooter.
Tungsten gravestone!
Wouldn't it shatter?
I'm a firearms expert with over 10 hours of experience in Call of Duty and I say it would ricochet exactly back at the person who shot it (who would die and drop a grenade, as is tradition).
Fuckin danger close users, probably noob toob too, ACAB for sure
Ballistics High Speed did that. It was like a 10" cube (25 cm). It took a shape charge to break it. They shot it with a lot of different bullet sizes. Up to and including a 50BMG.
Shatters and hits anyone trying to shoot it with shrapnel, sounds like a win to me.
It would not! In fact, if we use a tungsten alloy, it'll be both cheaper and less likely to chip. Here's a quick estimate:
Estimate: Tungsten Heavy Alloy Gravestone (83,415 cm³)
Gravestone Dimensions:
This cost reflects a bullet-resistant, nearly indestructible gravestone crafted from dense tungsten alloy—designed to last centuries with virtually no erosion or damage under normal conditions.
You asked ChatGPT to do your homework, didn't you, kid?
I did, I admit it. I haven't the faintest idea how much a tungsten alloy gravestone would actually cost to craft and install. I'm sorry.
Neither does ChatGPT really.
Try asking it things that you do understand a few times. Maybe you'll realize that it doesn't know shit about shit and the only reason that you think it's suitable for your comment is because its about something you don't know enough about to question.
have some respect and delete this shit.
Respect for... the hardworking people who list prices of tungsten alloy in dollars per gram? I'm just screwing around with a silly idea on the internet, man. Would it make you feel better if I had just invented a number off the top of my head?
A hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That's how much it would cost. I know that because my cousin works in tungsten alloy, and my brother makes headstones. No, wait, we can get it second hand, so actually it'll only cost five hundred dollars. There, now I've created an original thought, and that's much better than ballparking it with GPT.
But honestly, man, I'm just trying to hang out and have a pretty low-stakes conversation, and you come out here and you type out seven words without capitalization or punctuation, and what you said, and the way you said it... it bummed me out.
You don't like that LLMs exist. I get it. You're pissed off that they're creating an endless cascade of slop, and that they're already being used to unemploy people, and it's just going to get worse. Hell, man, I was a theatre major in college. I wanted to do Shakespeare and Ionesco and shit. But you know, it turns out that it's virtually impossible to do theatre and make enough money to live, seeing as how anyone can turn on their TV and see Olivier doing Hamlet, and if they don't like that they can turn on YouTube and rewatch the sneezing panda video for the umpteenth time, so the demand for live theatre isn't really what I thought it was when I was seventeen and I took out all those loans.
So I got a series of jobs, and now I'm getting older, and I don't do as much theatre as I wish that I could, but I'm trying. I'm trying to make the best of the hand that life dealt me. I'm trying to be a good person, and yeah, sometimes that means taking a shortcut, because I thought it would be fun to throw out some plausible numbers about the cost of tungsten. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry I upset you with that.
But, man, maybe you could just take a moment to think about the fact that there's a human being on the other side of this conversation. I'm not asking for permission to just burn the entirety of human creativity down. Fuck, the idea of how technology can devalue the arts is terrifying and enraging to me, too. But if you're going to come at me over it, maybe you could try to treat me like a person, and not like an NPC that you can just lay into, you know?
So anyway, I wrote all that myself. I hope that makes you happy.
Mate, my father was a hardworking person who listed prices of tungsten alloy in dollars per gram and if he were here today he would say, "Son, if you don't get out there and list prices of tungsten alloy like me and my father before me then I will be sorely disappointed".
And, lo, because of your post demonstrating the effectiveness of AI in listing prices of tungsten alloy in dollars per gram I have recently been laid off at the listing prices of tungsten alloy in dollars per gram factory.
I, my father and his father before him are very disappointed at your single-handed destruction of our entire industry and way of life. 🫤
...banana for scale of how disappointed you, your father and his father before him?
At least disclose when you use it from here on out. When I see llm-speak without acknowledgement that that section of text is from an llm, frankly, I'm going to write you off as a bot.
This is going to be harsh at first but bear with me. The reason you're being treated like an NPC is because you're acting like one. You copied that answer directly from ChatGPT, and from what I can tell didn't put any original thought into it.
You didn't make that post, ChatGPT did and you let it use your name. I want to hear from YOU, the person who poured their effort into a post explaining themself and sharing their life experiences with us. It makes me happy that there's other people I can connect and relate to about the struggles in life. That's what I want from Lemmy. If I wanted pure information, I'd get an RSS reader. I want to hear how people's thoughts and insights relate to their experiences.
I don't know what the role of AI should be. I recognize that AI often gets things right, but it also hallucinates with great confidence. I also have no way to prove if you or anybody else truly has a cousin that works in tungsten alloy. I do think there's an inherent value in human anecdotes. They tell you about the person and can spark followup discussion. I could ask you about the tungsten alloy second hand market, and you might have an interesting story about how rich people love to flaunt giant blocks of tungsten, but then get bored and sell them. Those stories have value to me.
I also recognize that AI can be a ton of fun to spit ideas with, but it's not good on its own. Your ideas are what drives it. If you asked it for a estimate for if it was made of a titanium alloy as well, now you've added a bit of your own ideas to the discussion. We can build on that and discuss the merits of tungsten vs titanium. The questions you choose to ask is at least one way to express your individuality.
The Lemmy community will gradually decide over time what the role of AI is. Right now, a lot of us fiercely attack any signs of AI in hopes of defending the human element. I'm sorry you were yelled at, and you don't deserve to be treated like that. I respect your openness and the fact that you took time to write your reply.
I hope you've found some value in my response and it connects to you on some level. I hope you continue to practice theater and it brings you joy.
We can recycle Confederate relics and property to pay for it. Trump's golden toilet? Turn it into gold bricks, and finance the building of lasting monuments to genuine freedom like Fred Hampton's tombstone.
Still live in cops heads rent free
He still working on them from the grave
Disgusting shit bags. Hampton never harmed anyone and they wanted him dead.
They wanted him dead because they want us divided. The divided states of Musk & Thiel.
The White government wouldn't allow black people to integrate or create their own society. They wanted to keep black people subjugated.
Now that race isn't as much of an issue as it was (still is a big issue please nobody be a pedantic bitch), it's clear that white and black has really been a fight of rich and poor the whole time.
And now they are trying to spin the narrative and create a new race war against anything non American.
They're also punishing any institution that dares suggest there is racism in the USA, either now or in the past. The USA is run by the same kinds of people who would shoot up Fred Hampton's grave.
I mean the current administration killed the first amendment already, is not surprising.
No. Your words aren't the problem, your sentiment is.
Regardless of you trying to stave off criticism, it's still off-putting to say "race isn't as much of a problem" when white supremacists have taken over the government and are resegregating society. But okay, things are a little better now than in the 1960s.
But no, white and black has not "really" been rich and poor. This is divisive nonsense. White people have attempted to keep Black people subjugated for 400 years. Class warfare is on top of that, and pretending otherwise is racist.
History is littered with white activists who achieved their goals on the backs of Black people, then fucked off as soon as they got theirs. If we want to win the class war, whites need to stand in true solidarity with Blacks, not try to erase history.
It's class warfare. The rich want the poor divided, so that they don't rise up against the rich.
Too much money to be had subjugating people apparently.
I mean, this whole thing happened before Musk was even born, but the point still stands. Divide and rule.
That goes without saying.
Is there a fund or organization working to get this man a new headstone? It can be replaced annually, sp needs some organization behind it.
Honestly, every bullet chipped hole is a badge of honor. ACAB
I lazaliy asked chatgpt
It appears there was but it concluded
Instead it suggests helping preserve his childhood home
https://www.gofundme.com/f/SaveTheHamptonHouse51
Edit: verify how legit it is on your own. I put in very little effort on my end.
Do less next time
I'm doing so little, I'm not even gonna finish th
Then find an answer to a question but warn I haven't researched enough to know how legit it was?
No thanks. I'm fine with my effort on a 10 min break unpaid break. how much effort did you put in?
Complaining is easy and pointless. At least my effort wasnt "none". Where is your ten minutes?
As for the concept "every bullet is a badge of honor" I disagree. If the stone is unreadable there's nothing to look into. On the other side there is extreme power in "well rebuild, Everytime. We haven't forgotten either"
That's just my view. Take it or leave it.
Sometimes a lazy answer is worse than no answer
Give me one example btw? "Sometimes a lazy answer is worse than no answer"
What are your examples? Lol. Complaining is useless. I provided answers.
When given an answer, people will trust it, even when told not to trust it.
Not an example
https://xkcd.com/978/ The problem is that a lazy answer builds credibility for a source or fact. You may try to disclaim that it's unreliable, but the mere act of suggesting an answer implies your own support for it.
"I've heard there's studies that suggest vaccines cause autism." is a lazy answer to the question of vaccine safety that ignores the complicated nature of academic research. What it does do is build consensus. Over time, that lazy answer repeated gets you to state where a lot of people doubt the safety of vaccines.
I realize we all live busy lives and nobody has time to research things in great depth. Some people barely research major purchase decisions. What people are trying to communicate here is that an AI answer has very low credibility along the lines of "my uncle who works at Nintendo".
We don't need you to act as a human interface for ChatGPT. If you want to use ChatGPT, use it as a starting point for your own research. Ask it questions like "Where could I find information on this topic?" and go from there. Of course, that's a lot of work; but you can always choose not to post.
If you have life experiences that give you insight into a topic, or you did research and found a good source; please comment and share your insights. They add value to the conversation and it's why most of us are here.
This is really well put
No one else has an answer. They were interested in having answer. I found found one.
Don't compare me to someone speaking nonsense about vaccines. That's crazy talk.
I was clear open and honest, I even suggested people find their own information. I just offered a jumping off point.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/17909563
On one hand, I can appreciate you doing some work. On the other hand, an actual fundraiser was my first result upon googling "Fred Hampton gravestone fundraiser", which is far quicker than asking ChatGPT would have been. You put in extra effort for worse results (your link has nothing to do with his grave, and instead seeks landmark status for his home). So I believe "do less next time" is a pretty apt response.
Edit: I've emboldened a portion of this comment to emphasize it more. I was not intending to start a whole argument over this. It was meant to be a simple criticism of the method.
But it was about the same effort and got very similar results. I mean, you put in a whole lot more effort into your reply and yet you're criticizing people of doing too much. I don't get it. Does ChatGPT trigger people this much?
I have no issue with ChatGPT, I simply dislike when people rely on it as their first and only source and give unhelpful answers because of it. (Edit: Not to mention ChatGPT can be quite dangerous when used this way. Its a bad habit that shouldn't be encouraged.)
And I wouldn't say I put in more effort in my response considering the amount of caveats they added in theirs about how they asked chatgpt and have no idea if its real. Our responses were similar in length, mine is just all one paragraph and so looks bigger. If I had responded to the original question, I would have just dropped a link and that would have been the end of it.
But they were clear about what they did. It's similar, but what you're saying doesn't apply here.
I'm only comparing your response to their effort asking ChatGPT. My point is that typing up a comment on Lemmy is much more effort than formulating a question for ChatGPT, which is negligible, making the entire argument around how much effort one exerts in what a bit forced. Idk, I find it unproductive when there are better points to argue about.
It’s annoying and so are the people who defend it to death like you
I'm defending it to death now? Lmao ok
Personally, I find it more annoying when someone starts accusing others of things that have not happened but to each their own.
His result was wrong. He brought up the old donation site I mentioned was now unable to accept donations. He did more work and got less results.
Their point was not about donating but that the fundraiser had changed focus, which was true. If it had been specifically about donating, then I'd agree.
Your answer was wrong. Mine wasn't. You provided a wrong answer with the same amount of work I put in to provide the correct answer. How is that better?
Again your charity link is useless and old now. It does nothing. The closest in maintaining his child hood home. I provided the correct answer. You were wrong and prideful because you wasted more time to find less. Congratulations.
Edit: I don't actually care enough to have a full-blown argument over this. Especially not one seeping into mild personal attacks territory.
::: spoiler (my original response) I promise I have no pride in my ability to google search four keywords. Conversely, you seem rather prideful in your ability to ask an LLM a question. Good job I guess?
And how is yours the correct answer while mine is wrong? The link you provided about his childhood home is also an inactive fundraiser. That is to say, a completely unhelpful link. And you call me prideful lol. I would have at least linked the actual relevant old fundraiser unlike you.
And again, I didn't waste any more time googling four keywords and clicking the first link than you did opening ChatGPT and asking it an actual question. :::
I've have no pride in my bones at all. I'll admit wrong, I even said that it was a possibility in my edit
You claimed you found the better answer, an answer I already explained was wrong. no pride involved on my end. I was very very clear about my effort. You did worse. These are facts not pride.
https://fundrazr.com/11bgb5?ref=ab_2G1YUbDMzxm2G1YUbDMzxm
took a few seconds
"fred hampton gravestone donations"
That's the old one I mentioned. You can't donate. Do better.
chatgpt isn't a source, stop making the internet worse.
Even if ignoring I provides the answer... It's pretty silly that you think my one comment on lemmy effects the Internet as a whole. Grown-up.
Thank you
You have angered the luddites
Good
ACAB
Even in death, they fear what he stood for. That kind of legacy tells you everything about the system and who it’s built to silence.
police can't even stop murdering black people when they're dead
I know of Hampton because of a lyric in a Propagandhi song
Shooting someone's grave is fucked up.
Fucked up is putting it mildly. Imagine being so mentally unstable that shooting at someone "between 90 and 99 times" wasn't enough so you had to return annually to shoot at a rock with their name on it to feel better
I'm fucking speechless.
How petty do you have to be to vandalize a tombstone..
Law and order, but only if the white cops are above everyone else 🤡
Vandalizing tombstones is fine. For example shitting on Reagan's grave is a wholesome family activity.
The issue is the people doing it are racist murderers who are vandalizing the grave of a freedom fighter to celebrate their racist murder.
Shitting on fascist's headstones needs to be enshrined as a right in the Constitution.
I have been personally invited by two brits and an Irishman to piss on Margaret Thatcher's grave, and in turn I invited them to so the same to Reagan and any confederate they can find.
If unlimited corporate corruption of the political process is speech, so is planting some corn at the demagogue receptacle.
I would absolutely vandalise a nazi tombstone tho
Everything about this is terrible
Ladies and gentlemen, I present you the land of the free and the bold, and it's beautiful history.
Sigh...
ACAB
That’s because the government doesn’t actually care about you.
They care about remaining in power so they can grift and take your money without having to put in any work in.
People need to wake up to this insight instead of wondering why the government keeps consistency doing things against your best interests.
I wish people would stop saying "the government". It's the people in charge, the government is a tool they are using. This should be making people angry that their govt is being manipulated into a tool to be used against them. Saying "the government" makes it this big imposing organization and stops reminding you that the people behind the problems are soft meat sacks just like the rest of us.
Nothing against your points, your comment only reminded me of this. People are more scared of "the government" than they are of other people
I feel like the point blank execution is a little more than "discharging a firearm in a public place in an unsafe manner".
The other guy was referencing that the man in the grave was executed via two point-blank gunshots to the back of the head after he was drugged by the FBI
Ah yes, true.
You got me wondering where the FBI agents involved in this ended up. It wasn't that long ago, some of them could still be around.
I stumbled on this article in the Jacobin that mentioned this:
Which is interesting, because I had another tab open of agent Mitchell's records and it is 208 pages, not 'nearly nine hundred pages'.
Internet archive only has one snapshot, it's recent (March 2025) and also only 208 pages.
Got me feeling a little tin foil hatty, but I suppose that's normal when reading about a literal conspiracy like COINTELPRO. I wonder if the dogebags scrubbed some of his file tho...
There's a great movie that goes over all this called Judas and The Black Messiah. It's definitely worth a watch
After watching this movie, and researching Fred Hampton afterwards, I became a member of the peaceful off-shoot of the Black Panther Party, now called The Collective Black People Movement. They do good work with local unions and political activism. Consider supporting them.
Can you join if you're not black?
Absolutely! Fred Hampton was all about building a rainbow coalition
Hell yeah!
It's a little too dramatized to call it a documentary, but it's a fairly accurate retelling of an important American story. Better than half of the movies I ever watched in history class as a kid.
This is a movie that US citizens should watch. Not because it's a good film (it is, though), but because it's an important story in our (very recent) history.
Is the Black Panther party still around? Seems like it could be worth a revival.
While I agree, with the current administration, it would immediately be marked as a terrorist organization and members would be arrested. I believe we need something new that they can't immediately spin-off as a threat.
Gil Scott Heron has a song about Fred Hampton called No Knock. Too bad Heron's work is still relevant. When all those rich fuckers bought their way into space I listened to Whitey on The Moon on repeat for like a week.
A rat done bit my sister Nell...
Can we..... Replace his headstone?
Hear me out. If we replace it with something that is known to reflect small arms fire, there's a nontrivial chance that the next time some asshole shows up to shoot the headstone and piss on his grave (probably), there would be a non-zero chance that person would shoot their own dick off by way of a ricochet.
Stone, while it looks nice and lasts a really long time (when it's not being shot), is great.... But maybe this one time?
Or just camp around there, wait for a shot to go off and then unload on the cop car. Who’s to say the cop wasn’t shooting at you when they’re unlawfully shooting out of their windows?
Murdering a cop would also go a long way in showing support lol
The judge, numerous other cop "witnesses", a jury of your peers...
You see.... I'm mainly focused on making it so that they hurt themselves. I'm focused on this because booby traps are illegal, and straight up shooting them rarely ends well.
I don't want anyone to get in trouble for their actions. I want the officer(s) to hurt themselves so they get ridiculed for being stupid; both, by their peers and by the public.
Hell, I'd setup a trail camera type situation to keep an eye on things so I can post it to YouTube and/or rejig the situation so that the likelihood of them harming themselves from doing this thing is maximized.
By simply using materials that frequently ricochet bullets.... Nothing illegal has been done. It's not an active trap and it's not a problem, legally, to use the materials. The entire thing is passive, there's nothing that could even be considered a "trap" of any kind, and plausible deniability is easily proven by simply "I replaced it with this because the headstone kept getting damaged, I didn't think anyone would shoot it and hurt themselves your honour"
The only evidence that it was done maliciously would be if someone who was in a position to make it happen, commented here saying that they were intending to do this. If any such person exists and is considering it, I am not a lawyer, but I would advise that person to do so without getting involved in the discussion here at all. That would provide plausible deniability to the action being malicious. All you need is to inspire enough doubt that you can't be convicted.
Anyways I'm well into the weeds here.
I also agree with you that it is not illegal to kill cops (any more than it is illegal to kill anyone else), and defending yourself from the police in a situation where you are justified in using the force you are using, should not be punishable nor a crime, but you and I both know that reality is very divorced from the law and what's legal on this one. Even if you're legally allowed to defend yourself in the situation, the police will shoot and kill you, then walk on "qualified immunity" after they investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.
Defund the police.
I bet he would have been proud of this :)
We should crowd-source a new one every year and an ever-growing donation to an appropriate charity every time it needs replacing
What a brilliant young man. I hope his son takes pride in it. As absolutely disrespectful as it is, each bullet is them saying "we remember you, and we still fear you." Keep them afraid.
Fight fire with water
He was portrayed a few times briefly in the movie Trial of the Chicago 7, played by Kelvin Harrison, Jr.
Judas and the Black Messiah had him portrayed by Daniel Kaluuya.
Won an Oscar for it, no less.
Living, "Join or Die," and then they kill you. Words/ acronyms that are "bad": DEI, cosmopolitanism, human rights, communism, socialism, Palestine, Armenia, Myanmar, panic, fosscad, eat the...
Fuck them and the capitalist system they protect.
Have we ever talked about the fact that there's a self defeatist term for backing down from a fight when you're subjugated in nearly every language? "Whatever shall be shall be?", "shikata ga nai" , "it is what it is". The number of mental justifications for the subjugation we witness around us is insane. I hope everyone out there is okay.
Oh, how high he would have flown
We need armed guards at this site. They shoot, we shoot back. Oh no, fat little piggy took one in the neck trying to act tough? Oh well.
Do you think a government that is okay bombing civilian in other countries would have issue sending drones or bombing a place regardless of who is there in US soil?
And that's not even a hypothetical question...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
That is seriously fucked up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
You’re on first shift duty
yup and they're about to do it again
They never stopped
ACAB
Quite the legacy. Never let the memory of this man die. Fight the power!
RIP Fred Hampton
If anyone you know loves comedy, you can listen to 2 white guy comedians recount this story:
https://www.google.com/search?q=fred-hampton+dollop
While they can make even this story hilarious, America really lost a lot when this man was murdered...
Suddenly remembering those youtube videos about that super bouncy metal toy with a stainless steel ball...
This one?
(Joke is, he made every sound in this song with bouncing metal ball bearings on stuff.)
The kids on XHS would love this post
I aspire
ok so cute story, but why do people shoot the grave?
Racism
are you give me an actual reason or?
Some folks who work forces..
People? Cops...
are you arguing that cops aren't people?
No, I'm saying specifically, cops. It's not just random people.
yeah no i understood that part, but aside from the title saying that cops shoot it yearly? It's not anywhere in the text block i can see, maybe it's in the source article? But then why wasn't it included here either?
That's why im asking, there has to be a reason, it's not just cops unlawfully discharging firearms into the gravestone of someone that is not their family, i.e. illegal vandalism.
He was born with the wrong name - Fred Hampton sounds like a door to door vacuum cleaner salesman.
It's neat that the wikipedia article about him seems to lack proper citations for the circumstances of his death, citing an archived court document that is no longer being hosted on archivedotorg.
Every news story from the time and the police themselves claim the panthers shot first, and they police did have a warrant to search the premises for illegal firearms.
I tend to treat the Black Panthers as a terrorist organization after reading about how they murdered their own secretary after she whistleblew some of their financial crimes. Yes, black people are victims in the USA. Yes, there is still to this day a strong bias against them and a structural inequality. Is that reason to support people who threaten violence, who reject the teachings of Martin Luther King Jr, and who have been manipulated into violence by the federal agencies in the past? No, fuck the black panthers.
Black Panthers wear boots. How do those taste?
So when I do something it's stupid, when you do the exact same thing it's smart?
No I'm in agreement with them. You're fucking stupid. You strike me as a weak-willed liberal without any constitution.
Found the poster who deepthroated COINTELPRO.
COINTELPRO was highly illegal which is why the 9 plaintiffs won their wrongful death court case over 20 years after the events.
Being illegal is irrelevant when it is successful and nobody was held accountable.
Sure, a few people out of the millions who were and still are impacted to this day got some monetary compensation. It still has ripple effects like morons who think the Black Panthers are terrorists spreading the lies to this day.
Are you going to sit there and tell me that Black Panthers have not and will not encourage the use of violence to achieve political goals? The entire reason the police got away with this murder is because the Black Panthers were in a compound filled with young men with guns, including the shotgun that they fired into the ceiling during the raid.
Can you elaborate on what's illegal about young men having guns? How does this differ from any rural bar in the country?
Your opinions here are ridiculous as every aspect of your argument was fed to you by the very same people who did the murdering here and you even acknowledge that the government lost the civil case yet still think the Panthers are guilty of the crimes alleged in the very same civil case.
Any rural bar in the country with private membership stockpiling weapons better have a permit for each and every one of those weapons and they should get searched/raided frequently by the police. If those rural club members are holding shotguns and being confrontational I wouldn't blame the police for killing two injuring multiple in a rural bar.
If a Nazi Skinhead was drugged and shot while unconscious I wouldn't mourn him one bit.
The laws as written don't stop applying just because of your skin color. That era should be far behind us. And we have the power to keep it that way, unless we do something stupid and reject the system used to make our ideal future a reality.
Since when are you required to have a permit for every firearm you own? You're just making shit up here.
"Holding shotguns and being confrontational" according to whom exactly, the police who murdered this man?
What does this have to do with the Black Panthers?
Doesn't this directly contradict your previous statement about "Nazi Skinheads?" You're all over the place trying to dig yourself out of the hole you've created here.
What fucking system is that exactly? You speak like you've never stepped foot in the US.
Oh, are they not allowed to use weapons to defend themselves like white people?
Can't imagine why they would expect armed intruders with all those police keeping an eye on the building!
When white people collect guns and form a compound they get raided, too. Here is a random example: Branch Davidians
Forming a military compound is not self defence. People looking to protect themselves don't do that.
That's a much lower bar than being terrorists. In the 20th century, loads of people used violence to achieve the political goal of not being oppressed by Nazis, and no reasonable person would claim everyone who supported that was a terrorist.
Do you really think the Nazis would have paid the victims families in a wrongful death suit? The Black Panthers aren't freedom fighters, they're just a different group with plans for their own regime.
There are plenty of successful black politicians and activists who do not promote violence.
How many bullet holes are yours?