My school did things like that when sending the updated schedule. (Make fixes in the schedule, print it, take photo of the printed schedule, send it by email)
I had a rule about companies I applied to. I sent them my resume as a PDF and Word 2003 document. If they still couldn’t read it, I didn’t want to work there anymore.
PDFs are absolutely editable, but usually you need paid application for that. Thanks to some dumbassery in my previous job, I had to use the paid version of Adobe because I regularly had to edit PDFs. There are some security options that can make PDFs more challenging to edit, even with the paid tools, but I've always found ways around those too, usually by simply using "Print to PDF", then editing the output file.
Oh sweet! I just did a super quick test on a random file and it definitely handled my very basic editing tasks easily, and the new PDF lets me copy/paste text from it the way I'd expect it to. Thanks!
If you're applying somewhere that's annotating the file instead of printing it out and writing on it in pen, they should be able to buy an enterprise license for some PDF editor or other. Or the knowledge to find a free PDF editor somewhere.
Isn’t is possible to send a Word doc in read only mode? I’ve been sending mine PDF as I search recently but some companies do require a docx or at least have in the past
CREATE TABLE Resume (
Field VARCHAR(255) PRIMARY KEY,
Value VARCHAR(255)
);
INSERT INTO Resume (Field, Value) VALUES
('Experience_1_Title', ''),
('Experience_1_Company', ''),
('Experience_1_Years', ''),
('Experience_1_Description', '.'),
('Experience_2_Title', ''),
('Experience_2_Company', ''),
('Experience_2_Years', ''),
('Experience_2_Description', '.'),
('Skills_1', ''),
('Skills_2', ''),
('Skills_3', ''),
('Skills_4', ''),
('Education_Degree', ''),
('Education_Years', '),
('References', '');
SELECT Field, Value FROM Resume;
-- Bonus Query: Show my most "impressive" skill
SELECT Value FROM Resume WHERE Field = 'Skills_1';
-- Another Bonus: My career trajectory
SELECT Field, Value FROM Resume WHERE Field LIKE 'Experience%';`___`
And I reject their job offers. When I think at how much time I have to write justification of my work in some kind of numerical format, I won't want to be dealing with he standard of someone who doesn't know the different of a working document and finish content to be send to the world.
I'm privileged enough to be able to screen out big red flags out and not needed to find rapidly the next paycheck at the cost of my mental and physical health and I must use that privilege.
But then recruitment companies can't get you in to trouble by editing and embellishing your CV before sending it to the potential employer. /S (and yes this came up before)
And why everyone hates it, because when you feed it into their automated CV parser to scrape for details like your employment history and email, it doesn't seem understand the format, or re-OCR's the text to make errors, and out comes garbage.
Word is sadly the defacto way to get a foot in through the door
Imagine you're a firm drowning in CVs - surely you would feed everything into a PDF parser, ask an AI to summarize, and filter based on that. Good CVs can be missed this way. DocX is the safest option.
If the company is that incompetent, I'd only wanted to work there if I'm really desperate. I'd hope it never comes to this.
Might be different where you live or in your sector, but no competent company in Germany would go with AI summaries. The chance that the AI misses a statement that the applicant might be disabled and could sue for discrimination is too high.
Also, we have to open CVs in the browser within the hiring application, download is not allowed for data security reasons. The renderer for Word files is definitely not good enough to guarantee that the files render correctly.
Personally, we're looking for highly skilled people in a specialized field, I'd never trust an AI summary, but we're also not being swarmed by applicants. If the company looks for a barista, your approach might be better. But proofing computer literacy is not really necessary then anyway.
On top of that, for us presentation and the general "vibe" of the application matters (actually only the CV - the blurb on why applicant's greatest dream would be to work at our company and similar fluff is useless anyway) If you only read an AI summary you miss out on interesting bits and potential red flags. After all we choose to invite not only based on listed skills and certs but we need to make sure that the personality fits into the existing team. And yes, combing through hundreds/thousands of applications is a shitload of manual work.
I don't think the cover letter is always useless. It often shows, whether the applicant understood the role correctly and how their skills fit into the requirements. The motivational blabla of course is just annoying for everyone involved.
but no competent company in Germany would go with AI summaries.
Germany tends to be a little behind when it comes to tech, but if you submit your CV as PDF to LinkedIn via the "EasyApply" button, you can bet that there is automated filtering happening to weed down the applicants from 1000 to 10
The way to getting through the door is by employing soft skills, ie having someone forward your CV, be it someone you knew or some recruiter you just added to LinkedIn.
There are other ways, but involve more gating like CV scrappers.
i mean, "habit" is a weird word for it. i'd call it more of a trend. "brain rot" seems like an adequate description.
it comes from streamer culture where streamers would refer to their audience as "chat" because the chat box is the main way for viewers to interact with whoever they are watching.
It's also the most unbiased word for referring to a group in a gender neutral way I've seen lol most others have implications of status (gentlepersons, folks), are still technically gendered (guys, not to mention this implies relatively young people too), or overbroad (everybody is well, everybody. Chat implies you're addressing your community or a small group since they're the ones who would be talking to you).
the way i see it, "folks" can refer to a more traditional group of people, most likely rural, and you wouldn't call nobles or people of other high status "folks".
but also i doubt people think it is problematic; it's just a quirk of the English language that "chat" emerged basically out of nowhere with the closest analogue being "audience".
the way i see it, "folks" can refer to a more traditional group of people, most likely rural, and you wouldn't call nobles or people of other high status "folks".
But you'd call nobles or high status people "chat"?
Yes but the reverse isn't true: one of the best is not necessarily the best. They start off with the better claim then water it down! Clearly the entire EU is just in it for the views and ad revenue!!
I hate the Europass template, it looks so ugly. But nowadays no one even bothers to read the CV, they probably just feed it to some AI and ask to summarize it, so all my efforts to make it look pretty are wasted.
I thought some of the options looks "fine" aesthetically, but I think I've already been corrupted to prioritize machine-readability over ✨style✨, and that's already from pre-chatGPT days haha - you should see how ugly some of the templates I was given at uni were compared to this :P
well you’re not hired because it took you six hours to format a single document. bad time management. also your document editor of choice is google docs when libreoffice and onlyoffice exist, yuck
Where I work you keep a txt copy of your CV to apply on different positions because the online form has you copy-paste it in a text box anyway so all the formatting is gone.
I've been told ATS doesn't work properly on PDFs and word is better for this reason. I used to uploads PDFs prior to this. Now I don't know what to believe, my entire worldview has been upended!
I dunno about that application, but my work has some paid version of Acrobat that reads the text well enough to ctrl+F. The process where it scans the text is super quick too.
Ages ago (>5 years) I used a well-regarded online tool for this. I came back a few years later and they had, in the meantime, changed what was freely accessible, so I could no longer update my previously-created resume easily.
I'm sure most of the time Canva would be fine (especially for one-off usage like you've described). I'd still really prefer to not use SaaS for stuff like this where I want to come back later to update it in the future - I don't want my access cut off because line didn't go up enough, or the developer decided to call it quits or whatever X_X
Solution: print as pdf
Print as PDF, then screenshot the opened PDF, and OCR it back into word before printing to PDF one last time.
You forgot printing it on paper and scanning it back to pdf
Just put the pc screen on the scanner like a normal person
But don't forget to do a bad crop.
And jpeg it to death.
And add an iFunny watermark.
Make sure to take a photo and line up the camera to find the most distinctive moire pattern you can, for extra style
Circle of life
My school did things like that when sending the updated schedule. (Make fixes in the schedule, print it, take photo of the printed schedule, send it by email)
Unfortunately still can't stop someone from importing the PDF into Word anyway 🫠
We don't interact with those people
Unfortunately ceasing interaction with those people ceases the interaction of their money and your bank account 😔
"We don't talk about Bruno", but the song is about pdf-importers.
I had a rule about companies I applied to. I sent them my resume as a PDF and Word 2003 document. If they still couldn’t read it, I didn’t want to work there anymore.
Would a PDF not be sufficient on it's open to check that?
It could be worse, they could import it into excel.
If you send your resume in word format and not pdf or even image, I did not open it at all.
I've had recruiters reject anything that isn't in word format.
That's because they can easily edit it or change it before sending it out
That's why pdf, it has annotation feature while being not editable.
PDFs are absolutely editable, but usually you need paid application for that. Thanks to some dumbassery in my previous job, I had to use the paid version of Adobe because I regularly had to edit PDFs. There are some security options that can make PDFs more challenging to edit, even with the paid tools, but I've always found ways around those too, usually by simply using "Print to PDF", then editing the output file.
I think you can open PDFs in libreoffice and edit them, although you have to manually reexport as pdf when you're done
Oh sweet! I just did a super quick test on a random file and it definitely handled my very basic editing tasks easily, and the new PDF lets me copy/paste text from it the way I'd expect it to. Thanks!
Okular also supports pdf editing.
If you're applying somewhere that's annotating the file instead of printing it out and writing on it in pen, they should be able to buy an enterprise license for some PDF editor or other. Or the knowledge to find a free PDF editor somewhere.
Okular has annotations and signing
Inkscape can let you edit evrything
Yes, you can. But it's not made for that and you shouldn't. And is that process lossless?
Isn’t is possible to send a Word doc in read only mode? I’ve been sending mine PDF as I search recently but some companies do require a docx or at least have in the past
Dunno. Maybe there's a flag and the other side uses MS office too, follows that flag. But at least keep a copy, if you send as docx.
I've had recruiters ask for TXT format, which honestly was awesome.
Resumes in JSON when?
"Whats this gap in your resume?"
"Syntax error"
I see for past experience you put :
Did you put some BBS-style ansi art in there?
greetz in the resume!! hell yeah
And I reject their job offers. When I think at how much time I have to write justification of my work in some kind of numerical format, I won't want to be dealing with he standard of someone who doesn't know the different of a working document and finish content to be send to the world.
I'm privileged enough to be able to screen out big red flags out and not needed to find rapidly the next paycheck at the cost of my mental and physical health and I must use that privilege.
Exactly.
Even if everything is in order, I def assume a lower digital literacy.
Image?
He's a gif of my CV, just pause it to read the pages
You have no idea what crazy idea people in the communication field have implemented in CV.
“Can you explain this kerning?”
“For reasons I cannot understand, you set your system font to Copperplate Gothic.”
This is why the PDF format exists
But then recruitment companies can't get you in to trouble by editing and embellishing your CV before sending it to the potential employer. /S (and yes this came up before)
And why everyone hates it, because when you feed it into their automated CV parser to scrape for details like your employment history and email, it doesn't seem understand the format, or re-OCR's the text to make errors, and out comes garbage.
Word is sadly the defacto way to get a foot in through the door
I would question the applicant's computer literacy if they send me their CV as anything other than pdf. Basically never seen that though
Imagine you're a firm drowning in CVs - surely you would feed everything into a PDF parser, ask an AI to summarize, and filter based on that. Good CVs can be missed this way. DocX is the safest option.
If the company is that incompetent, I'd only wanted to work there if I'm really desperate. I'd hope it never comes to this.
Might be different where you live or in your sector, but no competent company in Germany would go with AI summaries. The chance that the AI misses a statement that the applicant might be disabled and could sue for discrimination is too high.
Also, we have to open CVs in the browser within the hiring application, download is not allowed for data security reasons. The renderer for Word files is definitely not good enough to guarantee that the files render correctly.
Personally, we're looking for highly skilled people in a specialized field, I'd never trust an AI summary, but we're also not being swarmed by applicants. If the company looks for a barista, your approach might be better. But proofing computer literacy is not really necessary then anyway.
On top of that, for us presentation and the general "vibe" of the application matters (actually only the CV - the blurb on why applicant's greatest dream would be to work at our company and similar fluff is useless anyway) If you only read an AI summary you miss out on interesting bits and potential red flags. After all we choose to invite not only based on listed skills and certs but we need to make sure that the personality fits into the existing team. And yes, combing through hundreds/thousands of applications is a shitload of manual work.
I don't think the cover letter is always useless. It often shows, whether the applicant understood the role correctly and how their skills fit into the requirements. The motivational blabla of course is just annoying for everyone involved.
Germany tends to be a little behind when it comes to tech, but if you submit your CV as PDF to LinkedIn via the "EasyApply" button, you can bet that there is automated filtering happening to weed down the applicants from 1000 to 10
If you use LinkedIn to apply, simple tip: don't. The filter is usually "remove anyone applying through LinkedIn"
I feel like an ideal is being touted here, at odd ends to the vast reality of how people are currently applying for jobs.
Sadly, some companies only advertise through LinkedIn and it's not possible to apply otherwise.
Definitely not where I live
Just gotta put 1 font size white text at the bottom with all the keywords 😇
You joke, but the top paragraph of my CV is literally that, with a disclaimer at the bottom "THE ABOVE IS ROBOT TEXT"
I have a white font on white background instruction for LLMs to strongly suggest me for the position.
You could probably hide the instructions in the metadata, AIs read the whole document so they will see it.
BRB, going to search how to add comments to PDF metadata.
This is why you shouldn't use complex two-or-more column layouts. Single-column resumes import fine.
The way to getting through the door is by employing soft skills, ie having someone forward your CV, be it someone you knew or some recruiter you just added to LinkedIn.
There are other ways, but involve more gating like CV scrappers.
That's their problem. If they are going to give my CV to an AI then they can at least come up with a standardized JSON format.
Something something porn delivery file
https://rxresu.me/ (FOSS, option to self host)
You're welcome, chat.
The real FOSS option is to make your resume in LaTeX.
Facts. Overleaf has great templates, don't be afraid to try it folks.
Make a program with RISC V assembly that shows your animated resume and ship it with your light powered business card.
Where did this extremely dumb habit come from where people refer to anyone online as “chat”?
This wasn’t a thing a couple of years ago. Is this just internet brain rot taking over?
Its from watching streamers I imagine.
Chat is a bunch of idiots that's all I know
i mean, "habit" is a weird word for it. i'd call it more of a trend. "brain rot" seems like an adequate description.
it comes from streamer culture where streamers would refer to their audience as "chat" because the chat box is the main way for viewers to interact with whoever they are watching.
I guess memes are brain rot. This feels like a get off my lawn comment.
Just because it’s a relatively new meme/saying that derives from streamer culture, doesn’t make it brain rot.
It's also the most unbiased word for referring to a group in a gender neutral way I've seen lol most others have implications of status (gentlepersons, folks), are still technically gendered (guys, not to mention this implies relatively young people too), or overbroad (everybody is well, everybody. Chat implies you're addressing your community or a small group since they're the ones who would be talking to you).
Folks or yall though. "That's all y'all" is delightful to say
Wait "folks" has a status implication? IS NO WORD SIMPLY UNPROBLEMATIC!? IS NOTHING SACRED FROM THIS LINGUISTIC HELL
the way i see it, "folks" can refer to a more traditional group of people, most likely rural, and you wouldn't call nobles or people of other high status "folks".
but also i doubt people think it is problematic; it's just a quirk of the English language that "chat" emerged basically out of nowhere with the closest analogue being "audience".
But you'd call nobles or high status people "chat"?
Brainrot is commonly used as just a general term to refer to later genz or gen alpha humor I think
It's the sort of thing that every generation does to make their sense of humor sound unique and new
It's how twitch streamers collectively address their viewers. It's basically just announcing you're going to have a soapbox moment
More bullshit lingo to learn and use, to prove you're with it. It never ends, but sometimes it circles back around and rhymes.
I used to be with it...
Or, for the Europeans in the audience: https://europass.europa.eu/en/create-europass-cv
Straight to lying clickbait, unbelievable. /s
The best one is also one of the best, isn't it.
Yes but the reverse isn't true: one of the best is not necessarily the best. They start off with the better claim then water it down! Clearly the entire EU is just in it for the views and ad revenue!!
I hate the Europass template, it looks so ugly. But nowadays no one even bothers to read the CV, they probably just feed it to some AI and ask to summarize it, so all my efforts to make it look pretty are wasted.
I thought some of the options looks "fine" aesthetically, but I think I've already been corrupted to prioritize machine-readability over ✨style✨, and that's already from pre-chatGPT days haha - you should see how ugly some of the templates I was given at uni were compared to this :P
Small world. The example on the right uses Sarasota Florida. I used to live there.
well you’re not hired because it took you six hours to format a single document. bad time management. also your document editor of choice is google docs when libreoffice and onlyoffice exist, yuck
I would demand an apology honestly.
Where I work you keep a txt copy of your CV to apply on different positions because the online form has you copy-paste it in a text box anyway so all the formatting is gone.
This is smart
You obviously should use Latex and send them the PDF file.
If I don't get the resume on a clay tablet I'll just assume they don't know shit.
"I spent 6 hours writing this on papyrus scrolls, and you want clay tablets."
How do I even open a scroll on my lap-wax-top??
I've been told ATS doesn't work properly on PDFs and word is better for this reason. I used to uploads PDFs prior to this. Now I don't know what to believe, my entire worldview has been upended!
What is ATS?
Right, it's a tool companies use to automatically scan and reject resumes based on keywords.
Oh, no. Now they can't scan it...
Also what sort of shitty system can't scan a PDF.
I just don't like being rejected by some dumbass program before a human can look at my resume.
Oh I agree. I was being sarcastic as to now a recruiter has to do their job.
I think it's applicant tracking system? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applicant_tracking_system
I dunno about that application, but my work has some paid version of Acrobat that reads the text well enough to ctrl+F. The process where it scans the text is super quick too.
This is why my resume is a pdf uwu
Print it out and scan it and print it back to a 300MB PDF.
Formats? (Laughs in Linux)
I was following the Grateful Dead from 1985 to 1995.
Download as PDF. It's so dumb when people send .docx and other project files.
Idk why I would do it in Google Docs or Word. Something like Canva is much better for a CV.
Sometimes the less-optimal tool you know beats the more-optimal tool you don't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I didn't know Canva either before I tried it out tbh.
Fair enough!
Counterpoint: SaaS 🤢
Canva is just one of many. Make up a quick CV, download as pdf, done. I wouldn't have used it if I had to pay for it or anything.
Ages ago (>5 years) I used a well-regarded online tool for this. I came back a few years later and they had, in the meantime, changed what was freely accessible, so I could no longer update my previously-created resume easily.
I'm sure most of the time Canva would be fine (especially for one-off usage like you've described). I'd still really prefer to not use SaaS for stuff like this where I want to come back later to update it in the future - I don't want my access cut off because line didn't go up enough, or the developer decided to call it quits or whatever X_X
I made it in asciidoctor-pdf. But the market insisted on the usual two-column layout and, while possible, was a chore in asciidoctor.