Is that the YouTuber that couldn't grow a beard even though he was in his thirties so he had this hormone levels checked and his testosterone was through the roof?
Jep. Pretty sure that’s the one. Don’t think he ever got into what his specific ailment was though. And he hasn’t been all that active lately as far as I remember.
I think in one of the lastest videos he had said he was running around various doctors and would have to keep searching, maybe we'll get an update by the end of the year😅
PS. So cool that Styropyro was my thought too, lol
When I was at OpenSauce last summer, someone asked him about it. I kinda forgot the answer but iirc he said he found a doctor that was helpful and it wasn't causing him any medical issues
It's in the video, somebody linked it. He has testosterone over 1,500 and super high SHBG. He's 31 and has never really grown a beard so it's probably always been high. If it's cancer then it's a very slow one. Probably just a genetic variation that produces high SHBG and the body produces more testosterone to compensate. Hard to predict what kind of problems it might give him down the road since it's probably rare.
thats blatant discrimination against outliers, I vote the line be tweaked into a third order polynomial that fits the highest points to better fit the data.
I googled but could not find source. I only found more memes based on this graph. Which isn't to say it's fake, could simply be in some research paper hidden away under a paywall. 15k sample is a very big study though.
The graph alone is highly problematic to make any argument though as it doesn't specify other critical axis such as age which would highly change the meaning of this graph. The older you are, T levels fall, but your IQ increases. So age alone can potentially explain the phenomenon we're seeing here.
My attempt to find the graph only resulted in many counter points, however.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9845018/ looked at only young men and women, so the age no longer becomes an issue. But among young men, higher T is advantageous. I can only read the abstract without paying. But does outline three conclusions there.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/030645309190018O this study on "normal" men and women, though not sure how they define normal, showed a negative relationship. But this once again doesn't define age in their study. Which continues with my previous point that simply older men will have lower T but higher IQ.
Yeah I saw this and all I could think was "Mad! The guy is going to be mad about all of the stupid while also knowing he can't use his fists to make it (actually) better". A constant cycle of never having all of the solutions or a way to feel better.
How does this lead you there? IQ 100 is already the average by definition, so no matter how moronic people are as a whole this chart will look the same
The depiction does not tell you anything since you cannot see structure in the black blob. It shows that outliers do exist which is expected since biology is messy.
There is the slightest anti correlation for measured testosterone levels and IQ, but on the individual level this is meaningless. There are people with testosterone resistance to various levels which would require diligent treatment to destill a more useful graph, but that's infeasible.
For about a month every day, he drank 500grams of protein powder, mixed with meth and cocaine - power lifted every day .... literally saw the face of God for a moment and could understand space and time ... then suffered a massive heart attack and died.
It's Add Health, so it's not even the R2 that's the problem but the fact it's probably got a ton of covariates not included in the model. Lots of contextual variables not in that set drive me nuts, although I'm not even sure if 5th wave exists or has testosterone data lol (haven't used it in years)
That's an easy wish! Last time I saw this plot people were saying that this kind of data doesn't even exist in the mentioned source (that and IQ is kind of bogus, but y'know)
Btw is this real? I thought there was no conclusive data on testosterone and inteligence being related. Most sources say that its the change which matters(meaning that if you start taking it) and not the baseline except in the extremes.
Could be someone with mild testosterone insensitivity, people like that often have elevated testosterone levels without the effects of elevated testosterone levels.
So, because women have a much lower content of Testosterone, we can conclude that there are much more stupid than men or what does this silly correlation wants to tell us???
this graph very clearly states it's only related to men and has nothing to do with women at all. the only thing it shows is that the majority of men have average intelligence and average testosterone levels. R2=0.19 value means only 19% of the variation in testosterone levels can be explained by IQ, leaving 81% unexplained. This is a very weak relationship, bordering on statistical noise.
The thing about very superficial analysis like this is you can just go fishing for correlations and come back with something meaningless but publishable.
That exploitation of the scientific system is not what's happening here. This is naive maybe, but not malicious, and it seems valid and without unwanted motives.
His takeaway is that women are as smart as men (as in the IQ is the same) but because men have higher testosterone holding them back men are actually smarter than women. What I think he's actually trying to say is that he's a high testosterone misogynist.
The only thing this graph shows is that average people are average. This graph essentially shows no -> very weak correlation between testosterone levels and IQ. in fact I would say this graph argues that correlating testosterone levels with IQ is essentially flawed. However because of the way the data is represented it makes it look as though there might be a correlation.
AFAIR the R2 is (almost) equal to rho in the Pearson correlation. I just see two variables, a linear fit from - possibly - an OLS. The small R2 is likely due to the outlier (though a single outlier by this mass of points raises my eyebrows as the MSE (or take the RSME) won’t be affected as such by a single point when there are 15’000 points centered closely around an estimate, but CCV would tell) and R2 says nothing about the p-value, which is determined by the amount of information in a system/about variables, and hence likely way below 0.05.
This relationship aka in this case correlation says pretty much nothing about real world, because IQ is (possibly) not only determined by IQ, but way many other factors. The picture is utterly simplified. It is similar to the relationship between the number of babies and the number of storks.
username checks out
Styropyro?
Is that the YouTuber that couldn't grow a beard even though he was in his thirties so he had this hormone levels checked and his testosterone was through the roof?
Jesus Christ he's in his 30s?
Well, I can't answer that, now can I? There was a YouTube like I described but I don't remember his name.
Someone else linked the video below.
Jep. Pretty sure that’s the one. Don’t think he ever got into what his specific ailment was though. And he hasn’t been all that active lately as far as I remember.
I think in one of the lastest videos he had said he was running around various doctors and would have to keep searching, maybe we'll get an update by the end of the year😅
PS. So cool that Styropyro was my thought too, lol
When I was at OpenSauce last summer, someone asked him about it. I kinda forgot the answer but iirc he said he found a doctor that was helpful and it wasn't causing him any medical issues
He just put out a "I bought a ton of car battery" video the other week.
Oh cool. I haven’t seen that.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
It's in the video, somebody linked it. He has testosterone over 1,500 and super high SHBG. He's 31 and has never really grown a beard so it's probably always been high. If it's cancer then it's a very slow one. Probably just a genetic variation that produces high SHBG and the body produces more testosterone to compensate. Hard to predict what kind of problems it might give him down the road since it's probably rare.
Lmao I'm happy this has so many likes, I was thinking the same thing. Hope he's doing well
Yes he is, he has aquired 300 additional car batteries btw
Bro, after that first car battery video, I'm wondering how he's going to deal with the magnetism problem.
Source: https://youtu.be/1162ouPHH3Q
It would have been likely even before the news...
Teddy Roosevelt
The Bull Moose!
WHAT'S UP BITCHES!
Dolph Lundgren.
First thing that came to my mind when I saw the question 'What is his life like?'
He dated Grace Jones
She ran through him like a (very very very) hot knife through butter
He was my second thought but I don’t know much of his academia/ethics beyond a cursory glance at Wikipedia.
He’s as smart as Ben Shapiro thinks he is, and as manly as Andrew Tate thinks he is.
Impossible
Danny DeVito
guys, he's probably bald.
So is Sir Patrick Stewart. So what.
Omg thats Patrick Stewart
Make it so.
What if it's Andrew Tate?
Lol gettin downvoted just for mentioning him. That goober is like beetlejuice
You say that like its a bad thing? I dont have to wait for my hair to dry...
not saying it's a bad thing, but probably counter to the image people seem to have in mind in the comments.
That nice copium
Styropyro? Is that you?
Glad to see you and others beat me to it :)
He was my first thought too 😆
hope he's doing ok, he truly is unlike any other internet personality
LOL
Testosterone Georg, who live in a library and dopes up on T is an outlier and should not have been counted.
thats blatant discrimination against outliers, I vote the line be tweaked into a third order polynomial that fits the highest points to better fit the data.
Excel curve fitting to the rescue!
lol, Spiders Georg was my first thought as soon as I saw the graph
Georg going for that max/max build
Is that the laser, electricity, microwave, etc. YouTube channel guy who has a medical condition causing super high testosterone?
Styropro?
Yes!
a wild Styropyro appears
"YEAH, QUANTUM MECHANICS, BITCH! GARGLE MY QUARKS! ONE IS UP AND ONE IS DOWN SO THEY DON'T COLLIDE!"
*bench presses quantum computer in lab coat, but it is open to show off his abs.
EXPLOSIONS!!!??!
Full of testosterone supplements and cheating.
Dihydrotestosterone Georg
Smartest, manliest human?
It's clearly about me. Life still sucks. My gigantic penis just gets in the way and people don't like nerds 🤡
Pictured: Outlier (155 IQ, 1650 testosterone ng/dl) carries control (110 IQ, 800 testosterone ng/dl).
Never show your R^2
Anyone have a link to the source
Edit: I need this for a argument I’m currently having
I googled but could not find source. I only found more memes based on this graph. Which isn't to say it's fake, could simply be in some research paper hidden away under a paywall. 15k sample is a very big study though.
The graph alone is highly problematic to make any argument though as it doesn't specify other critical axis such as age which would highly change the meaning of this graph. The older you are, T levels fall, but your IQ increases. So age alone can potentially explain the phenomenon we're seeing here.
My attempt to find the graph only resulted in many counter points, however.
You are are gift. Thanks for all the links!
Smart Hulk.
There's probably severe health complications with that level of testosterone though.
Some people have crazy testosterone levels for medical reasons. StyroPyro did a YouTube video a few months back about his testosterone levels.
Hope he's doing alright. He didn't know why they were elevated at the time.
Idk man styropyro just got diagnosed with extremely abnormally high test. He most definitely isn't on gear.
I would believe StyroPro was the outlier on the graph, absolute peak human male without a doubt.
I was just thinking, is this him?
A guy who is really* smart.
Oh, to have both the realization that everybody is a complete moron, and the urge to punch them because of it...
Yeah I saw this and all I could think was "Mad! The guy is going to be mad about all of the stupid while also knowing he can't use his fists to make it (actually) better". A constant cycle of never having all of the solutions or a way to feel better.
How does this lead you there? IQ 100 is already the average by definition, so no matter how moronic people are as a whole this chart will look the same
Hum... Have you missed the entire OP's joke?
Oh were you commenting from Gigachad's perspective? I did miss that
Duh, it’s Johnny Kim. Navy Seal, astronaut, and Harvard MD. One man.
Has to be.....
logically, I'm horny
Pon farr.
roid raging chess club president
i started balding at 20 so it could very well be me
You're halfway there, you just need to get smarter now!
i don't think i could possibly be smarter than i already am.
...the scale goes 0-100, right
Apparently Plato got his name because his chest was like plate armor.
The Ancient Greeks believed that you had to exercise the body and mind so that checks out
That's just Richard Feynman.
So I'm not a data scientist but doesn't this basically say that your testosterone and IQ are pretty independent of each other?
No, the big cloud of data points says they are pretty dependent and the little outlier says outliers can exist.
I am a scientist and it pisses me off that the independent variable is on the y axis
Yes thank you!
The depiction does not tell you anything since you cannot see structure in the black blob. It shows that outliers do exist which is expected since biology is messy.
There is the slightest anti correlation for measured testosterone levels and IQ, but on the individual level this is meaningless. There are people with testosterone resistance to various levels which would require diligent treatment to destill a more useful graph, but that's infeasible.
For about a month every day, he drank 500grams of protein powder, mixed with meth and cocaine - power lifted every day .... literally saw the face of God for a moment and could understand space and time ... then suffered a massive heart attack and died.
Dr. Mike Isratel?
Chart is lifetime natural. Isratel piss can't be tested because it eats through any cup you put it in.
A very smart and inpatient person who is on roids
I mean I've seen the guy's videos.
That dot? It's Styro Pyro.
I just said the same thing in another comment. This has to be his dot based on those numbers he said.
Yessir, that's the saucer what took muh cousin Darryl.
Man i hate confirming these kinds of biases. I wish this plot werent true, but it makes so much sense.
The R^2 is trash, this is just a very squished cloud
It's Add Health, so it's not even the R2 that's the problem but the fact it's probably got a ton of covariates not included in the model. Lots of contextual variables not in that set drive me nuts, although I'm not even sure if 5th wave exists or has testosterone data lol (haven't used it in years)
Well, it's also important to note that the variability is high so the prediction for a single individual won't be of much use
That's an easy wish! Last time I saw this plot people were saying that this kind of data doesn't even exist in the mentioned source (that and IQ is kind of bogus, but y'know)
Reacher
Said nothing.
Zardoz was a documentary.
Probably bald and sad
Jack Reacher, the vanilla gorilla.
Btw is this real? I thought there was no conclusive data on testosterone and inteligence being related. Most sources say that its the change which matters(meaning that if you start taking it) and not the baseline except in the extremes.
It probably lacks correction for age...
That’s the alpha chad meme
Maybe this guy? https://youtu.be/bLHL75H_VEM
I know that guy, he's sound.
That’s a bonafide Boltzmann brain.
A real self-made man
Captain Steven Rodgers.
Presidential. /s
More
ovaltinetestosterone please!Neverending Hulkmania.
Inconceivable!
Kaze Emanuar
Vandal Savage basically.
Could be someone with mild testosterone insensitivity, people like that often have elevated testosterone levels without the effects of elevated testosterone levels.
Gigachad
Definitely transmasc lol.
Nah the transmascs and trans men know better. When your T is that high, your body converts some of the extra into estrogen via aromatization.
Aromat-ization, you say?
Oh, fair. Didn't know that, just knew for transfem a higher estrogen level than cis can be normal (especially monotherapy).
⭐️The more you know 🎶
Five fingers on the right hand
This is what full testosterone does to a man
So, because women have a much lower content of Testosterone, we can conclude that there are much more stupid than men or what does this silly correlation wants to tell us???
It’s about men but your takeaway would be that women are smarter because as IQ goes up, Testosterone goes down
this graph very clearly states it's only related to men and has nothing to do with women at all. the only thing it shows is that the majority of men have average intelligence and average testosterone levels. R2=0.19 value means only 19% of the variation in testosterone levels can be explained by IQ, leaving 81% unexplained. This is a very weak relationship, bordering on statistical noise.
I wonder why they chose IQ as the independent variable? Surely it would be the other way around.
The thing about very superficial analysis like this is you can just go fishing for correlations and come back with something meaningless but publishable.
That exploitation of the scientific system is not what's happening here. This is naive maybe, but not malicious, and it seems valid and without unwanted motives.
Absolutely right. Sorry.
His takeaway is that women are as smart as men (as in the IQ is the same) but because men have higher testosterone holding them back men are actually smarter than women. What I think he's actually trying to say is that he's a high testosterone misogynist.
If that is someones takeaway they are wrong. This chart essentially shows that these things are not actually correlated.
Look. I don't make the rules of misogyny. You want things to make sense, you need to look elsewhere.
Your conclusion is based on deduction which in many occasions - like this one - leads to false conclusions. Try again.
Wait? So the other person isn't being misogynistic? I'm lost.
All in your head, it is. The answer to your question, by you, lies.
This poster is High T. Ask me how I can tell.
Understand the meaning of question marks, you do not? Much to learn, little Padawan, you still have.
The only thing this graph shows is that average people are average. This graph essentially shows no -> very weak correlation between testosterone levels and IQ. in fact I would say this graph argues that correlating testosterone levels with IQ is essentially flawed. However because of the way the data is represented it makes it look as though there might be a correlation.
AFAIR the R2 is (almost) equal to rho in the Pearson correlation. I just see two variables, a linear fit from - possibly - an OLS. The small R2 is likely due to the outlier (though a single outlier by this mass of points raises my eyebrows as the MSE (or take the RSME) won’t be affected as such by a single point when there are 15’000 points centered closely around an estimate, but CCV would tell) and R2 says nothing about the p-value, which is determined by the amount of information in a system/about variables, and hence likely way below 0.05.
This relationship aka in this case correlation says pretty much nothing about real world, because IQ is (possibly) not only determined by IQ, but way many other factors. The picture is utterly simplified. It is similar to the relationship between the number of babies and the number of storks.