People in general are very interested in the politics of who deserves recognition (in whatever form) over others. Fundamentally it's about an instinct towards "fairness."
No. But focusing on supporting one single app instead of the platform is not sustainable for the platform. This meme is just a reminder to support the platform as well.
I haven't seen a single call to action to donate to Lemmy other than the static sidebar on desktop. Something like that would be far more helpful than complaining about previous Sync users continuing to donate to Sync. Nothing is being taken from Lemmy, Sync already had a big user base and is bringing many of them over here thanks to the app. Let's call to action to them to donate to instances instead of complaining.
Accurate. I used Sync for Reddit until they were forced out. I then switched to Sync for Lemmy for the familiar interface, the ease of setup, etc. Sync literally brought me to Lemmy.
Since then I looked around and still prefer this app. On a side note: why does the UI for Voyager on Android look like some old version of iOS?
Hate all you want but Sync being popular is a good thing for Lemmy adoption.
Yea this is the thing I keep saying. Who cares about if you're paying $20 for an app if that's what you want to do. Just remember to help out the instances who are running things to make that app work. I think a lot of people realize this and that's great, but I'm sure some people also don't. So, instead of circlejerking about Sync being $20, it would have been better for make one or two posts days ago with that reminder and leave it be. Instead, we see the circlejerk continuing days later.
My instance shut down donos because they were bringing in way more than they needed and are sitting on years of server costs at current usage. I was donating when they were open, though.
A new platform like Lemmy needs to establish trust and reliability for a certain time period before it can expect people to give back something. Something that the Sync developer has established already for a decade now.
Assuming that Lemmy continues to flourish well, I will be perfectly happy to donate to Lemmy, in fact I'm quite sure that in the long run I'll donate a lot more to Lemmy than the one time purchase cost of Sync.
I mean, take that up with Reddit. Hopefully, lemmy doesn't somehow stop people from using apps.
Besides I'm happy to pay for the development costs of him porting the entire thing to use lemmy instead super fast, whilst being really responsive to any issues and questions. Of the 5 apps on my phone, sync feels the best to me so I'm cool supporting it.
I saw an earlier post that showed Lemmy's recent rapid growth followed by a plateau and then slight decline. My feeling is that there is a very LOUD minority of Lemmy users that are trying to act as self-anointed gatekeepers and they're bringing the platform down as a direct consequence. It makes the platform look petty and small to new and existing users alike. If the top posts are continually about shaming other users then this platform isn't going to last. Let's focus on building communities and having interesting conversations rather than one upping each other.
When Sync lauched it was all anyone was talking about. I don't see the memes for and against Sync as people actually upset I just think it is the meta topic of the week. Like when beans were a meme following the "how can I not poop for three days?"
Imo when it comes to topics like that, people tend to be able to just brush it off as a silly internet thing.
A silly internet thing is not necessarily equivalent a toxic community. I'm good with annoying posts, but a lot of people are taking other people's personal decisions a little too personally. I find that behaviour more annoying than I ever found the bean posts, tbh.
Why would someone spend their free time somewhere that they feel brings bad aspects to their life? Why would someone want to deal with a lot of negativity over (let's be honest) pretty minor things? Of course some users will get put off by that. It's why some people left Reddit years ago.
Nailed it. Some users are intent on making this reddit 2.0 with all the baggage. Ive seen entire subs be spam downvoted because some user had the time and hate.
I think it's very valid to say a service isn't free if it makes you the product by forcibly showing you ads. This is especially true when your data is being collected and shared with advertisers.
Time is more valuable than money, and I don't like spending time on ads. That's just my two cents, though.
I mean isn't that true for literally every user that doesn't pay? I'm not sure why we are mad at Sync users when we don't even have a strong call to action to donate to instances.
But it's fine if I cost an app dev their time and instances money and give nothing to no one? Genuine question because I don't understand all the sync hate.
I just said we pay. You seem to think I'm talking about Sync.
I'm not. Technically, I guess I could be talking about both server and sync.
What I've seen on Lemmy is I can say I paid for Sync and donate to the server and someone will need to come along to tell me all of that money should go to Lemmy.
That's too either/or. And it's making Lemmy look... incapable of nuanced thought. Or entitled.
It's not everyone, but it's common enough it looks really odd.
The people who are actually angry tend to be FOSS advocates. I think they were assuming Sync would have a FOSS type option for users, and were surprised that wasn't the case.
It's just a meme because when Sync launched it was all over everyone's feeds. I don't think as many folks are as angry about it as it seems but it's definitely a good topic for meta memes.
If you are not paying for Sync you are getting ads. So you are still paying (attention, data, you are the product).
Additionally proprietary software has some long term disadvantages that are not visible at first. This is why one needs to always inform people about it as they do not understand these disadvantages.
The biggest issue is that the owners of the proprietary code can change its course whenever they like it. See for example the Reddit Apollo Dev who would have sold out the community for 10 million dollars:
See his own published audio and the discussion on HN:
Oh wow good to see you here! I remember you from the early days when we had less than 6k subs there!
It used to be such a fun, vibrant and exciting hobby and community. It so sad to see how regulations basically strangled the life out of it. It's very nice to see familiar usernames pop up here and there!
Yeah, I'm not going to "be kind" to divisive bullshit, I'm going to call it out. Every time. Someone's pissing on your shoes and you're telling the person telling them not to to "be kind". 🤡
Like this is somehow the fault of sync's dev. Go ahead folks, the donate to lemmy button is at the top of the page, go ahead and click on it if your morals are so true.
Honestly. This isn't some centralized platform. Donating at least some of the profits to the people making the app possible seems fitting. While I don't agree with the API pricing of Reddit, I think it's fitting that it should cost something at least, if not only to cover wage for the people working on the API
It is not about that. Sync for Lemmy is five times as expensive in comparison to the Reddit version, plus it is a subscription model. Pure evil. I am not even adding that the whole platform is FOSS, but Sync. Pay money to Lemmy if you want, not to a greedy developer of a client. Lemmy has no ads, only donations. Yet, people are buying the "good UI" BS. Develop Lemmy per se, not a proprietary parasite. Or pay to server hosts. No, people pay to someone who has nothing to do with the Lemmy itself.
UPD. Couldn't care any less about someone else's feelings. I am pro-facts, these won't take into account how you feel. Actually, no one cares about those
That's not just a feeling. They professionally cherry picked facts to try to generate outrage. And threw any context out the window along the way.
I have never seen a website so consistently entitled. It changes my sympathetic view of the left into a need to self reflect and maybe ensure those sympathies get solid, unwavering boundaries.
No one is entitled to other people's stuff. We can credibly argue whether value is flowing to the right places, but that's not what I'm seeing on lemmy in sync-bash posts.
Why would people do this? We want the hughest amount of users we can, and for most people to believe in FOSS or even copyleft philosophy, but this just pushes people away. Just use whatever app you like best and maybe donate to incentivize the app you believe in. But to just relenlessly mock non-FOSS apps only hurts the community and doesn't foster growth.
The sync app dev is charging for a product. They know they have a market, albeit narrow. The income will be chunky and consistent.
The Lemmy devs provide a free platform and ask for donations. They know they have a market. It's enormous. The income is gratuity.
Neither party should be surprised about who is raking in how much cash or why. I'm sure they're not.
No user should be confused about why both parties are doing what they're doing. No one should be confused about how it's going for them. But for some reason y'all won't stfu about it.
Not sure what you are talking about? I did not (yet) pay the 20€ for the ad free version of sync. But I did donate more than double that amount to the lemmy devs. And if my instance would accept donations, I also would have donated there
Just like all the other apps and services that didn't demand anything, I'll donate when I can afford it. It worked for textra, progression workout app, bitwarden, davinchi resolve, and one of the ad blockers for iPad, etc....
The lemmy instance I use and the app I'm currently using will come when I can afford it but not because they withhold features or sell my data to advertisers till I do.
Not sure I would call the dev of sync a rich asshole. It's only one dude and the app is livelihood. He is very responsive to input and very good at what he does. It's a great app. Or it was, for reddit. Currently still some growing pains but impressed how well it is considering it's been only one month.
That developer guy must have gotten very rich if we all 20 Lemmy Sync users bought his app.
I wonder what's the percentage of Sync users vs the rest, seeing how passionate some are about Lemmy, it probably means they are inundating Lemmy developers with donations and just want us to do the same.
lmao are you for real, if you don't like it just use one of the other apps or just use it and don't pay for it all of this complaining about it is just pathetic
I've been a long time Sync user and paid for everything he asked when it was Reddit. I'm $5 a month for my instance - startrek.website.
Haven't yet kicked in for Lemmy Sync. I feel good about sending some cash to the dev, but don't love subscriptions and the lifetime payment of $100 is a little too rich for me.
No. But you have to pay for ad-free. The ultra subscription service is more expensive than it was under reddit Sync. I'm hoping the prices will go down as the app gets more popular. I'm guessing the dev is trying to make up for the lost revenue from shutting down the reddit app.
I use sync and love it. I used sync for reddit and paid the pro and the ultra subscription. I don't have a problem with the app. I was just clarifying what the payment options were for. I don't know how expensive it is to run an app or the server for the ultra features.
It would be unnecessary if Lemmy's web UI was actually reasonable. As it is, every single time I open the app, I have to log in again, then refresh the page to see anything at all. The news feed is paginated rather than endless scroll. When I press the back button on a comment thread, it takes me back to the page before the one I was looking at, so I lose my place. It's borderline unusable.
So I guess I'll give my ad eyeballs to the app that actually works.
Honestly why would I pay so much when I can use Summit for free? I don't mind supporting developers but 20$ is quite pricy. And the other price option are imho nuts. I paid for pro version of Boost for Reddit 4$, that's reasonable, maybe upto 10$. It's just an app for viewing content. It's not groundbreaking program or game.. And if you multiple the price x sales, the developers will make money anyway.
Sync is cool,but Jerboa is currently good-enough, while being free as in free beer, to wait until the recently released Infinity for Lemmy are being more robust.
Mine is that I have used Jerboa since I joined Lemmy a couple months ago. It's improved a lot, and even in its latest iteration is nowhere near as polished and nice as sync. It was an easy decision to switch.
The latest release of Jerboa keeps crashing on me, totally losing my place. I'm currently posting from Liftoff but I've also been using Connect sometimes, but both of those clients have their own issues.
I feel like this is legitimately more true than a lot of people think. Say what you want about the average end user, but UX is a HUGE driver with regard to adoption and user uptake. You can have the best of everything else in your application, but if the UX sucks, folks just aren't going to use it
it's the problem with most FOSS app imo. people would like them more if the overall UX was better.
most proprietary apps today have shit UX because of monetisation and all the confirm pop ups for data selling, but anyone will still choose proprietary over Foss because of the abysmal UX Foss has
I know I'm probably in the minority here but.... I'm a desk jockey.
I don't use Lemmy on a handheld. I didn't use Reddit that way either. The web interface works well enough for me, or rather whatever lemmy.ca uses is good when set to vaporwave-light. Try the different themes, some are better than others.
The pagination though... it's a little short for my taste but I prefer it over doomscrolling.
That was super epic gamer of you 😎 sure showed him heheheh what will you use your awesome powers for next? Pls no block I want to see your brilliant content 🥺
Sync isn't even good. I hate how you have to tap on "exactly" the right spot on a post to see the comments. Drives me insane.
In the meantime I've been alternating between Infinity and Voyager (the APK version). Neither are perfect but at least navigation isn't as finicky. I miss Relay.
That the entire ecosystem is dependent on donations. If this new social media thing is going to work out, we need to divide our donations to all actors involved: developers, instance admins, and thirdparty app developers. It's easy to forget the people behind it
That's my thought at least. Donating to all actors involved would be best, but it's easy to give the frontend developer all the love, because the work that's being done behind is less tangible and harder to really see.
They have no idea what they are down voting. They do it just because it is against sync. You are just stating we should support foss devs. They literally are just bunch of fucking idiots that probably came here just by following others. It would be awesome if they could just fuck off from fediverse and go lurk in reddit.
just an assumption ( also u guys need to be open for some critique, facking hell! ) but also why his pricing is way more than he used to charge for sync for reddit ? said he would work on the app 'full time': what does that even mean ? would he quit his day job for the app ? would such an app require full time maintenance ? also pricing more than he used to do without sparing any thought for the instance admins kinda fishy: i know that lemmy code is beyond his reach but placing ads on feed is like taking instance owners for fools and shidding on them, at least while pricing leave some room for people so they can donate to instances until something serious is done about it..and please grow some brain cells before responding to this:and no, devs dont need to make each other aware about app release, ape
I am going to assume you want to know what a fork is. if not, ignore me.
If the sourcecode of a software is publicly available, someone can take that sourcecode and develop it into a different direction than the original software. In this case, a third-partt reddit app called Infinity is being developed into a Lemmy app by someone who is not the original dev.
Do you people just hate anyone who receives money?
Crabs in a barrel
*bucket
snatches at one of your aft claws get back down here you hothead!
People in general are very interested in the politics of who deserves recognition (in whatever form) over others. Fundamentally it's about an instinct towards "fairness."
You just gave away you have no idea what communism is.
nOt TrUe CoMmUnIsM
You would need an example to talk about that.
You smooth brains really stretch far for a meme eh?
Dam, I feel bad for people like you.
It's what mainlaind Taiwan started with.
I'm gonna need some real sources for this... And maybe even a definition.
"Communism is when the government does stuff." -The wandering spirit of the head of a very real University
🤡
No. But focusing on supporting one single app instead of the platform is not sustainable for the platform. This meme is just a reminder to support the platform as well.
I haven't seen a single call to action to donate to Lemmy other than the static sidebar on desktop. Something like that would be far more helpful than complaining about previous Sync users continuing to donate to Sync. Nothing is being taken from Lemmy, Sync already had a big user base and is bringing many of them over here thanks to the app. Let's call to action to them to donate to instances instead of complaining.
Accurate. I used Sync for Reddit until they were forced out. I then switched to Sync for Lemmy for the familiar interface, the ease of setup, etc. Sync literally brought me to Lemmy.
Since then I looked around and still prefer this app. On a side note: why does the UI for Voyager on Android look like some old version of iOS?
Hate all you want but Sync being popular is a good thing for Lemmy adoption.
But you are the one focusing on supporting one single app?
Would you have ever posted something like this is sync didn't come out? Why didn't you post something like this before sync came out?
I'm assuming that it's because Sync is the first monitized app
Who are you speaking of? How many users are on sync versus all the others?
I agree with you. It's not to attack sync users, it's just to remind them that there's an entire ecosystem dependent on donations
Oh no my $20 for a lifetime purchase of removing ads from an app I've enjoyed using for like a decade. 🥱
I think the point of the post is ain't nobody donating $20 to the Lemmy platform or host or other apps
This meme implies that Sync is taking all the donations though. The people donating to Sync didn't stop donating to Lemmy to do so
Yea this is the thing I keep saying. Who cares about if you're paying $20 for an app if that's what you want to do. Just remember to help out the instances who are running things to make that app work. I think a lot of people realize this and that's great, but I'm sure some people also don't. So, instead of circlejerking about Sync being $20, it would have been better for make one or two posts days ago with that reminder and leave it be. Instead, we see the circlejerk continuing days later.
I agree. Although I was surprised that my insurance rejected all forms of donation. It's pretty small, though.
My instance shut down donos because they were bringing in way more than they needed and are sitting on years of server costs at current usage. I was donating when they were open, though.
I'm signed up the patreon for mine, they're gonna get more than $20 over time
A new platform like Lemmy needs to establish trust and reliability for a certain time period before it can expect people to give back something. Something that the Sync developer has established already for a decade now.
Assuming that Lemmy continues to flourish well, I will be perfectly happy to donate to Lemmy, in fact I'm quite sure that in the long run I'll donate a lot more to Lemmy than the one time purchase cost of Sync.
I agree. As an immigrant from reddit, I have noticed a lot of server instability. It doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling about the future of Lemmy.
My instance doesn't take donations at the moment. I'll definitely contribute once there's something.
same as well.
Sir that's not your $20, that's ops money to decide what you do with it
Here take the last of my reddit gold 🪙
Just like the lifetime purchase I made for Sync for Reddit, right?
I mean, take that up with Reddit. Hopefully, lemmy doesn't somehow stop people from using apps.
Besides I'm happy to pay for the development costs of him porting the entire thing to use lemmy instead super fast, whilst being really responsive to any issues and questions. Of the 5 apps on my phone, sync feels the best to me so I'm cool supporting it.
I saw an earlier post that showed Lemmy's recent rapid growth followed by a plateau and then slight decline. My feeling is that there is a very LOUD minority of Lemmy users that are trying to act as self-anointed gatekeepers and they're bringing the platform down as a direct consequence. It makes the platform look petty and small to new and existing users alike. If the top posts are continually about shaming other users then this platform isn't going to last. Let's focus on building communities and having interesting conversations rather than one upping each other.
When Sync lauched it was all anyone was talking about. I don't see the memes for and against Sync as people actually upset I just think it is the meta topic of the week. Like when beans were a meme following the "how can I not poop for three days?"
The Poop Warrior shall live on in our memories.
that may or may not be the case, but the reality of the situation is that it makes the whole foss community look a whole lot more off putting
Imo when it comes to topics like that, people tend to be able to just brush it off as a silly internet thing.
A silly internet thing is not necessarily equivalent a toxic community. I'm good with annoying posts, but a lot of people are taking other people's personal decisions a little too personally. I find that behaviour more annoying than I ever found the bean posts, tbh.
Why would someone spend their free time somewhere that they feel brings bad aspects to their life? Why would someone want to deal with a lot of negativity over (let's be honest) pretty minor things? Of course some users will get put off by that. It's why some people left Reddit years ago.
I just wanted to tell you how happy I was to see the Netscape logo as your icon. Brought me back to the old days of the internet.
Thanks, I'm glad it made you happy. I love how it manages to get so much detail despite being so low resolution.
They spent a month shitting on reddit now there's something new to shit on
Nailed it. Some users are intent on making this reddit 2.0 with all the baggage. Ive seen entire subs be spam downvoted because some user had the time and hate.
Crabs in a bucket. No one's allowed to succeed, unless everyone™ does.
It's more like one dev made the best user experience on lemmy, so people give him money. At least that's the case for me.
Same. Dedicated sync for reddit user, now that sync for reddit is dead, I'll follow the sync dev and support him with my Dollars
This is the way. Sync for life, also Dev said he's thinking about a 1 time payment option.
It's already done, there's an ad free and a ultra lifetime option
We asked him to make sync for lemmy over in r/syncforreddit.
This. I tried lemmy. Didn't use it until sync came out. Now that lemmy is looking for engineers I'll donate some money.
this is dumb, sync is free
Then how am I using it for free right now ?
Right, so it's free. With ads. Ads that currently dont work, and even if they did, i still haven't paid for sync, so its free for me.
Also, why do you care if people are using sync or paying for it. How does that affect you personally?
TIL that looking at ads, even without money leaving my bank account, isn't free. These marketing people are wizards /s
I think it's very valid to say a service isn't free if it makes you the product by forcibly showing you ads. This is especially true when your data is being collected and shared with advertisers.
Time is more valuable than money, and I don't like spending time on ads. That's just my two cents, though.
Your mind is gonna be blown when you learn that you can block ads system-wide on android...
I have an adblocker so no, I don't.
It literally is. All premium options are a choice.
Ad removal lifetime is $20, Ultra (which brings extra features) is subscription based and a little more expensive.
free is considered to mean libre not gratis here
sync is proprietary
Ad-supported software is not free.
"Freemium"
Use Lemmy, y'all!
Nooo not like that!
I mean isn't that true for literally every user that doesn't pay? I'm not sure why we are mad at Sync users when we don't even have a strong call to action to donate to instances.
"use my instance please"
"No not like that!"
Holy fuck this is what we left Reddit to avoid...
Lemmy had a garbage web UI. And the other apps I have used are not nearly as smooth as sync.
You think Sync users don't also donate? I paid for sync and donated to Lemmy's development. Considering donating to my 2 main instances as well.
That's literally Reddit's argument against third party apps, the reason a good chunk of Lemmy users left reddit is they disagree with that approach...
Well the Lemmy web UI is not able to do most of the things third party apps could do.
Maybe Lemmy instances should bill third party apps for API calls, hmmm?
But it's fine if I cost an app dev their time and instances money and give nothing to no one? Genuine question because I don't understand all the sync hate.
My lemmy server is selfhosted (pawb.social), and the running costs are pretty negligible after initial costs.
We get plenty of donations honestly, but that is obviously not universal.
Even a group of saints will find someone in their midst deserving of rebuke.
How much has liftoff, jeroba, connect, etc pay?
Jeroba is the official app...
Ok so they've paid just as much is what you're saying
We pay.
You assume.
It's junior level reasoning.
I just said we pay. You seem to think I'm talking about Sync.
I'm not. Technically, I guess I could be talking about both server and sync.
What I've seen on Lemmy is I can say I paid for Sync and donate to the server and someone will need to come along to tell me all of that money should go to Lemmy.
That's too either/or. And it's making Lemmy look... incapable of nuanced thought. Or entitled.
It's not everyone, but it's common enough it looks really odd.
But im using sync for free.
Why are people so angry about this?
Well you see, it's important to aggressively gatekeep anything that people start to use and enjoy.
The people who are actually angry tend to be FOSS advocates. I think they were assuming Sync would have a FOSS type option for users, and were surprised that wasn't the case.
The rest of us just think it's funny.
I'm a sync user, btw
I'm a FOSS advocate, and I have the $20 Sync ad free.
Same. I write FOSS software in my free time and also paid.
That's awesome. :)
It's just a meme because when Sync launched it was all over everyone's feeds. I don't think as many folks are as angry about it as it seems but it's definitely a good topic for meta memes.
Im just happy for the influx of posts commenta and votes since sync launched.
Before it was a good day if a post got 50 upvotes Now its common to see 200+ and theres a ton more comments.
Its improved the experience in my opinion.
If you are not paying for Sync you are getting ads. So you are still paying (attention, data, you are the product).
Additionally proprietary software has some long term disadvantages that are not visible at first. This is why one needs to always inform people about it as they do not understand these disadvantages.
The biggest issue is that the owners of the proprietary code can change its course whenever they like it. See for example the Reddit Apollo Dev who would have sold out the community for 10 million dollars:
See his own published audio and the discussion on HN:
https://christianselig.com/apollo-end/reddit-third-call-may-31-end.m4a
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36245906
Oh fuck off.
Hey are you db2 from reddit who used to be into vapes?
Yeah among other things
Oh wow good to see you here! I remember you from the early days when we had less than 6k subs there!
It used to be such a fun, vibrant and exciting hobby and community. It so sad to see how regulations basically strangled the life out of it. It's very nice to see familiar usernames pop up here and there!
It feels like early reddit without the fuckery doesn't it? 😆
Totally! Not just that, the user base also feels different, sorta how reddit was before it became mainstream
Be kind
Yeah, I'm not going to "be kind" to divisive bullshit, I'm going to call it out. Every time. Someone's pissing on your shoes and you're telling the person telling them not to to "be kind". 🤡
Bro over here malding over a meme
Gay
Christ, let me use my favorite app in peace instead of going "tsk tsk" and whinging about it when no one's stopping you from using other apps.
Like this is somehow the fault of sync's dev. Go ahead folks, the donate to lemmy button is at the top of the page, go ahead and click on it if your morals are so true.
Honestly. This isn't some centralized platform. Donating at least some of the profits to the people making the app possible seems fitting. While I don't agree with the API pricing of Reddit, I think it's fitting that it should cost something at least, if not only to cover wage for the people working on the API
Go ahead
Lead the way please
I have no idea what botton he is speaking off 🤷
This whining is so pathetic.
Hey OP why don't you start by sharing your donation receipts to Lemmy?
Leave reddit cause you can't use your preferred app anymore. Come to Lemmy, and get beat over the head for your choice of preferred app.
It is not about that. Sync for Lemmy is five times as expensive in comparison to the Reddit version, plus it is a subscription model. Pure evil. I am not even adding that the whole platform is FOSS, but Sync. Pay money to Lemmy if you want, not to a greedy developer of a client. Lemmy has no ads, only donations. Yet, people are buying the "good UI" BS. Develop Lemmy per se, not a proprietary parasite. Or pay to server hosts. No, people pay to someone who has nothing to do with the Lemmy itself.
Sync is literally made off the spyware: https://reddthat.com/comment/1586624
UPD. Couldn't care any less about someone else's feelings. I am pro-facts, these won't take into account how you feel. Actually, no one cares about those
There is a non-subscription model that also disables the admob tracking.
But not nuances, it feels.
That's not just a feeling. They professionally cherry picked facts to try to generate outrage. And threw any context out the window along the way.
I have never seen a website so consistently entitled. It changes my sympathetic view of the left into a need to self reflect and maybe ensure those sympathies get solid, unwavering boundaries.
No one is entitled to other people's stuff. We can credibly argue whether value is flowing to the right places, but that's not what I'm seeing on lemmy in sync-bash posts.
Who let spez make a Lemmy account?
And this kind of idiocy is why I'm glad there's a user block
Why would people do this? We want the hughest amount of users we can, and for most people to believe in FOSS or even copyleft philosophy, but this just pushes people away. Just use whatever app you like best and maybe donate to incentivize the app you believe in. But to just relenlessly mock non-FOSS apps only hurts the community and doesn't foster growth.
You could say it doesn't fosster growth
This is such an annoying opinion.
The sync app dev is charging for a product. They know they have a market, albeit narrow. The income will be chunky and consistent.
The Lemmy devs provide a free platform and ask for donations. They know they have a market. It's enormous. The income is gratuity.
Neither party should be surprised about who is raking in how much cash or why. I'm sure they're not.
No user should be confused about why both parties are doing what they're doing. No one should be confused about how it's going for them. But for some reason y'all won't stfu about it.
It's just so asinine.
Damn. This comment section...
Reddit left a lot of y'all really insecure and easily triggered. Anyone would think OP threatened your mother's life or something.
🥤🪑🍿
I downloaded Sync and thought wow nice ui, maybe I sould buy the adless version. Then I thought wtf, why is this so fucking expensive?
You missed a 0
Not sure what you are talking about? I did not (yet) pay the 20€ for the ad free version of sync. But I did donate more than double that amount to the lemmy devs. And if my instance would accept donations, I also would have donated there
Same. I support dessamines on Patreon and I've dropped donations in several other places.
I'll pay for Sync again, eventually. But I'll stick to the ad supported version until it stabilizes.
20 dorra!
Lemmy users have money?
Yeah, but they don't like to spend it.
Just like all the other apps and services that didn't demand anything, I'll donate when I can afford it. It worked for textra, progression workout app, bitwarden, davinchi resolve, and one of the ad blockers for iPad, etc....
The lemmy instance I use and the app I'm currently using will come when I can afford it but not because they withhold features or sell my data to advertisers till I do.
Give me a job that pays me enough to not care so much about it and then ask me to donate (I probably won't due to poverty trauma)
This image is awful. Rich assholes would never allow the pipe to drip.
Not sure I would call the dev of sync a rich asshole. It's only one dude and the app is livelihood. He is very responsive to input and very good at what he does. It's a great app. Or it was, for reddit. Currently still some growing pains but impressed how well it is considering it's been only one month.
I think he was talking about the original image minus current additions
Are you saying that every one who pays for sync is an asshole ? I don't even know where to donate if I could right now .
Donate to the folks who run the instance you are on. From their own sidebar: https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld, https://patreon.com/mastodonworld. It is not hard to find.
That developer guy must have gotten very rich if we all 20 Lemmy Sync users bought his app.
I wonder what's the percentage of Sync users vs the rest, seeing how passionate some are about Lemmy, it probably means they are inundating Lemmy developers with donations and just want us to do the same.
Google Play reports 10k+ downloads, probably only a fraction have paid anything
lmao are you for real, if you don't like it just use one of the other apps or just use it and don't pay for it all of this complaining about it is just pathetic
Mans gotta eat. Sent from Sync for Lemmy.
I've been a long time Sync user and paid for everything he asked when it was Reddit. I'm $5 a month for my instance - startrek.website.
Haven't yet kicked in for Lemmy Sync. I feel good about sending some cash to the dev, but don't love subscriptions and the lifetime payment of $100 is a little too rich for me.
Lifetime $20 for ad free
Don't think you really need ultra, do you?
So dumb
Wait, you have to pay for Sync?
No. But you have to pay for ad-free. The ultra subscription service is more expensive than it was under reddit Sync. I'm hoping the prices will go down as the app gets more popular. I'm guessing the dev is trying to make up for the lost revenue from shutting down the reddit app.
I downloaded Sync two days ago and I still haven't seen an ad. I'm not sure where they are.
Ah, OK. I'm perfectly happy with Connect. Was just curious.
Yes I owned sync pro but bought it so long ago I didn't remember paying so much, thanks for confirming it's really more expensive under lemmy.
I use sync and love it. I used sync for reddit and paid the pro and the ultra subscription. I don't have a problem with the app. I was just clarifying what the payment options were for. I don't know how expensive it is to run an app or the server for the ultra features.
Yea I have no beef with the dev charging. People need money
Having to accept that horrible Privacy Policy though, even if I do pay. No thanks
Voyager for the win
I do donate tho
No... no sync users donate. They used ALL THEIR MONEYZ to buy the app.
/s just to be sure
no, I donate my money to the 3rd party apps that are free
is this complaining about sync or complaining about people not donating to other developers?
It would be unnecessary if Lemmy's web UI was actually reasonable. As it is, every single time I open the app, I have to log in again, then refresh the page to see anything at all. The news feed is paginated rather than endless scroll. When I press the back button on a comment thread, it takes me back to the page before the one I was looking at, so I lose my place. It's borderline unusable.
So I guess I'll give my ad eyeballs to the app that actually works.
That doesn't happen to me, check your browser.
I'm donating to lemmy.world and using sync free. I wanted to supper sync too, but the price is too much.
Honestly why would I pay so much when I can use Summit for free? I don't mind supporting developers but 20$ is quite pricy. And the other price option are imho nuts. I paid for pro version of Boost for Reddit 4$, that's reasonable, maybe upto 10$. It's just an app for viewing content. It's not groundbreaking program or game.. And if you multiple the price x sales, the developers will make money anyway.
Could always run his own Lemmy server for Sync users, I guess. Could take the load off some of the others.
Sync is cool,but Jerboa is currently good-enough, while being free as in free beer, to wait until the recently released Infinity for Lemmy are being more robust.
Opinions are opinions. That is yours.
Mine is that I have used Jerboa since I joined Lemmy a couple months ago. It's improved a lot, and even in its latest iteration is nowhere near as polished and nice as sync. It was an easy decision to switch.
Jerboa is great! The rat is my friend.
The latest release of Jerboa keeps crashing on me, totally losing my place. I'm currently posting from Liftoff but I've also been using Connect sometimes, but both of those clients have their own issues.
No but it's on my list to try out.
Isn't jerboa sorta like the de facto official client?
Infinity is even better... when it works and doesn't crash
I used Sync Pro for Reddit (RIP) and loved it, that being said, reddit was full of ads.
Lemmy is not by design, therefore I am sticking with Connect. (Let me know if there is something better, that isn't Sync!)
Obviously my opinion, but infinity for lemmy has worked really great for me so far on Android!
IMO, Voyager.
but, but.. the UX!
I feel like this is legitimately more true than a lot of people think. Say what you want about the average end user, but UX is a HUGE driver with regard to adoption and user uptake. You can have the best of everything else in your application, but if the UX sucks, folks just aren't going to use it
it's the problem with most FOSS app imo. people would like them more if the overall UX was better. most proprietary apps today have shit UX because of monetisation and all the confirm pop ups for data selling, but anyone will still choose proprietary over Foss because of the abysmal UX Foss has
I totally agree!
Edit: my old shit posting methods don't work here :'(
I'm using connect for Lemi currently
Alright your meme worked.
I already bought Sync, but I'm on lemmy every day, and my instance doesn't accept donations. May as well pitch in a little bit.
https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/com.liftoffapp.liftoff
Idk, I really like infinity for Lemmy! I'll try it tho :)
WP engine
I know I'm probably in the minority here but.... I'm a desk jockey.
I don't use Lemmy on a handheld. I didn't use Reddit that way either. The web interface works well enough for me, or rather whatever lemmy.ca uses is good when set to vaporwave-light. Try the different themes, some are better than others.
The pagination though... it's a little short for my taste but I prefer it over doomscrolling.
To be fair, Sync for Lemmy is very good and I use it :)
No, my data is not tha big
Yeah, you're annoying. Luckily, Sync has an easily accessible blocking feature. Goodbye.
That was super epic gamer of you 😎 sure showed him heheheh what will you use your awesome powers for next? Pls no block I want to see your brilliant content 🥺
Don't you think the Sync dev might also be supporting the Lemmy devs?
Just download from mobilism and support the dev when possible, and the lemmy and foss client devs too
Please be nice.
I'll keep that in mind, adolf_hitler.
Sync is a 3P app, dipshit.
Language
English, mother fucker.
Do you speak it?
(Sync haven't changed spoiler syntax yet)
Grow up.
Bro doesn't understand sarcasm...
No, you certainly don't.
No, you certainly don't.
I love when my feed is 50% sync fanboys trying to justify their shitware app to themselves
Yo, we ladies love it too. :)
Sync isn't even good. I hate how you have to tap on "exactly" the right spot on a post to see the comments. Drives me insane.
In the meantime I've been alternating between Infinity and Voyager (the APK version). Neither are perfect but at least navigation isn't as finicky. I miss Relay.
Why a antisemitic meme? Do you hate Jews?
What the fuck are you taking about?
No one is more hated than he who speaks truth
what truth?
That the entire ecosystem is dependent on donations. If this new social media thing is going to work out, we need to divide our donations to all actors involved: developers, instance admins, and thirdparty app developers. It's easy to forget the people behind it
Aaand you can only donate to one project? So only donating to a frontend developer it would harm the developers of the plattform and providers?
That's my thought at least. Donating to all actors involved would be best, but it's easy to give the frontend developer all the love, because the work that's being done behind is less tangible and harder to really see.
They have no idea what they are down voting. They do it just because it is against sync. You are just stating we should support foss devs. They literally are just bunch of fucking idiots that probably came here just by following others. It would be awesome if they could just fuck off from fediverse and go lurk in reddit.
Yup, this entire thread is confounding to me
true. also dev taking advantage of apollo and other popular apps (boost, bacon reader..) not online yet..well, to my knowledge..
"Taking advantage" you meant the developers have to inform each other and sync up on one release?
just an assumption ( also u guys need to be open for some critique, facking hell! ) but also why his pricing is way more than he used to charge for sync for reddit ? said he would work on the app 'full time': what does that even mean ? would he quit his day job for the app ? would such an app require full time maintenance ? also pricing more than he used to do without sparing any thought for the instance admins kinda fishy: i know that lemmy code is beyond his reach but placing ads on feed is like taking instance owners for fools and shidding on them, at least while pricing leave some room for people so they can donate to instances until something serious is done about it..and please grow some brain cells before responding to this:and no, devs dont need to make each other aware about app release, ape
my favorite one is and its a fork which would never be able to happen with any proprietary app
sorry, what does this mean ?
I am going to assume you want to know what a fork is. if not, ignore me.
If the sourcecode of a software is publicly available, someone can take that sourcecode and develop it into a different direction than the original software. In this case, a third-partt reddit app called Infinity is being developed into a Lemmy app by someone who is not the original dev.
thanks, it makes sense now.