You're welcome to disagree. But if you read Paradise Lost or do a little critical analysis and compare the themes of "The serpent in the Garden" with stories like Prometheus (and other fallen angel motifs), it's pretty easy to see Lucifer/Satan as a sympathetic character, IMHO.
But then I'll always tend to lean toward the side advocating for more knowledge over the side advocating for limiting knowledge.
Well, considering it's a retelling of canonical works and is one of the most important literary works in the English language, I thought it relevant. After all, there's nothing in Paradise Lost that contradicts canon, and Milton's philosophy and theology are fairly well regarded if heterodox.
That's why I demand all discussions about any mythology to take my personal fictions into account instead of the most common historical versions.
No, I haven't shared them with anyone, and they're clearly marked "Dreams I had Once on The Astral Plane" but if you disagree with my points that they're relevant to a general understanding of the myths it makes you an idiot theist.
Its been eight hours, you have four upvotes, and this comment still reads like word salad to me. I'm assuming im missing something and this is a reference or an in-joke isnt it?
It was a mediocre joke.
OP posted here something that was originally on r/fit.
Another commenter suggested they cross-post somewhere else.
I just suggested that if you have a post about fit, when you cross-post it it becomes about cross-fit.
You didn't miss anything interesting ;)
Raw red onion is amazing in sandwiches, and I've eaten chopped white onion on hot dogs, and that's pretty good, too. Just straight-uo eating an onion by itself? No.
No said suffering want good. Lots of people like things that cause mild to moderate discomfort, but watching someone do something they dislike for an invalid reason seems to be the context. Lots of people like raw onion, but the consensus seems to be that few people would enjoy sitting there and simply eating an entire raw onion.
Fourth party here: definitions are descriptive not prescriptive and vary by common usage. Due to current common usage, literally means both literally and figuratively, with the original definition slowly losing ground. So no one is correct.
True, but if you wanted to articulate the concept formerly known as "Literally", how would you do it? I just woke up, and my brain hasn't booted all the way to desktop yet, but I can't immediately think of another word to fill the niche.
But is it a figurative burying or a meta-literal one? I mean if you really think about things entomologically and we pick apart the Latin root words of "bury" and "dogpile" we might just find that the meaning of lemmy dogpile
changes completely depending on context, literally figuratively.
Language is fucked. We really need telepathically beaming abstract concepts directly into brain matter so I don't have to crawl through linguist brainrot reply chains.
Everyone knows that you get the biggest boost to testosterone by leaving the onions until they start to degrade; yes, this is the point when the chemicals that make you cry are strongest, but if you can hold back the tears then you get +50 testosterone.
This is disinformation. Everyone knows that you get the highest boost +100 of testosterone if you insert the raw onions in your ass daily. It's equivalent to squatting 300 lbs.
I legit used to work with a lady who would do that. Her dad trolled her with an onion he told her was a weird apple as a kid. She loved it and just kept eating them. She was an interesting individual. In the best way.
I heard there was a study that said you have to rub hot chilli's on the outside of the skin first to make it convert the T into something the body can uptake.
No idea never heard of that allergy, they just feel weird on my stomach like I want to burp them up or something. They also leave a lingering taste in my toungue.
And why wouldn't you.
I tend to not bite into the whole thing but suffer from occasional urges to do so.
Still remember that maybe 10 years ago on our way to Romania two grandpa's in a restaurant in Hajdúnánás ordered some huge chives to dip in salt with their beers.
I ordered the same 10 minutes after and both gave me a drinking salute. Still eat it in summer, amazing healthy snack.
Except, A lot of people eat raw onions. On salads and sandwiches. Sometime I caramelize some onions and put them on a sandwich along with raw onions. I guess they cancel out when I do that ;)
Don't forget about pico de gallo. Raw onion, tomato, jalapeño, cilantro, lime juice, and salt. And that's just one of many Mexican foods that use raw onion.
Why would someone care about their testosterone levels? If it's causing a problem shouldn't you are a doctor. If it's not then there is no problem in the first place.
Because an entire generation of online grigters convinced people that "big testo good, small testo bad". The same people who think baldness is a sign of low testoteron or that thin men have low t.
A specific type of testosterone, which also happens to be the most 'potent' one, but it, like many other occurrences in your body, has a lot of inputs and nuance to it.
Can't say for much, but I do know testosterone is a drug (aka steroids) people willingly take to pursue a super muscular body type. Wouldn't be surprised if people tried alternatives to get the same effect, especially since onions are technically "natty" (natural)
There's probably also some folklore on test outside of bodybuilding, wouldn't be surprised if toxic influencers promoted it
I should have specified in the context of bodybuilding. People naturally have testosterone, but when talking about bodybuilding, it's usually about people taking it as a performance enhancing drug.
How deep do you go? Believing a post on 4chan? Dumb. Believing a comment on reddit? Dumb. Believing an article on a reputable news site? Dumb. Believing a study funded entities that may encourage a bias? Dumb. Believing a study from scientists that would rather cause sensation than do good science? Dumb. Guess the only solution is to put on that lab coat, get a doctorate and do the experiment yourself, huh? Or maybe put the blame on people spreading misinformation instead of the victims it hurts. There isn't enough time in the fucking day to validate everything you come across, and if you're not doing the experiments yourself you're trusting someone.
You might think eating raw onion is abnormal but you guys do it wrong, you need to eat it in small pieces with salt dips alongside food for that burn which goes nicely
Isn't chopped onion on McDonald's hamburgers? If not I know for a fact that it's a thing at greasy spoon type places in San Bernardino though usually it ain't chopped just a whole ass ring or two.
i remember inadvertently tricking a friend to smoke dried onion epidermis. We were young and i made an obviously stupid joke about different highs. He didn't get the joke and came back to complain about the terrible headache he had after smoking onions. 🤷
We had a guy in one of my classes a where his housemates convinced him that juicing onions was a great way get gains. They immediately regretted the decision since he committed hard core for about 6 months. Surprised he didn’t damage himself with all the acidic juice
On a second thought this misinformation could also affect a trans masc person. I doubt it would, they are more vulnerable and hence would probably try to cross-check info... Or even rely on community support. In many cases, getting an actual testosterone prescription from a medical doctor is even possible.
30 seconds googling for accuracy? Is that how long it takes to verify disinformation? What if you come across a study funded by big onion that says the same thing? How do you know you're not being mislead on a higher level? You skim an ncbi article for 30 seconds and think you know right from wrong?
As a trans person, community info is a mixed bag. Trust but verify and keep your bs detectors up. Also food won't impact your sex hormone levels sufficiently unless it's something like an herbal medicine that just happens to also be eaten for fun.
Have i met trans people dumb enough to fall for this? Yes. Have I met trans people dumb enough to fall for this for longer than the length of time that it tends to take to get your first hormone prescription? If so I really hope that means it's gotten faster since I started.
You start feeling it by a month.
That said, can I imagine trans guys who eat a ton of raw onions while on T? Yeah, absolutely
Wow. So the new morality is that it's okay to be an asshole if the target is crowd-approved and it creates something amusing to click on. So much more Enlightened than boomers!
These aren't some vulnerable protected class of people, it's workout bros, if they can't look into a study to see it's bullshit that is on them. I agree though it's a bit rude.
Oh I know... crowdsourced blanket judgements of entire groups of people are right as long as the right people do it and they're right about it. Very common mentality, becoming more so in the meme era. I just don't happen to agree with it.
I don't have a dog in this fight, not into fitness and my testosterone seems fine, but I think it's as ignorant as it is arrogant to decide a whole group of people are assholes because they have certain hobbies or interests or health concerns. Absolutely as ignorant as thinking black people are criminals.
True, but the people who actually need testosterone will not be well served by researching on fitness forums, and most of the people on fitness forums who are trying to 'increase their testosterone' seem fair game as far as an amusing and mostly harmless prank.
It's not nearly as close to the racist example as you think since no one is born a fitness bro or coerced into reading a forum post, and if they are, the could spend a minute considering a source. The only person this is likely to harm would be someone desperate to legitimately increase their testosterone, unwilling to go to a doctor and somehow harmed by eating onion. At that point it's hard to say when a prank would ever be truly safe.
Yeah, I'm getting the hint that tricking people into self abuse and mocking them is the kind of thing you'd want to teach your kids to do as long as the people deserve it by being lumped into a legitimate target group, and that rationalizing that bit of minor cruelty on social media is super worthwhile.
Yeah, or maybe mocking a group that is a little too gullible and full of itself with what is arguably a broadly harmless prank isn't the same thing as tricking someone vulnerable into drinking bleach to make friends or something.
Honestly, tricking someone into eating something many people eat willingly isn't the moral quagmire you seem to think it is.
Was actually deciding between posting here or posting on chaoticgood.
Personally, I think Satan (well, Lucifer) is the perfect embodiment of chaotic good
We'll have to disagree on agreeing.
You're welcome to disagree. But if you read Paradise Lost or do a little critical analysis and compare the themes of "The serpent in the Garden" with stories like Prometheus (and other fallen angel motifs), it's pretty easy to see Lucifer/Satan as a sympathetic character, IMHO.
But then I'll always tend to lean toward the side advocating for more knowledge over the side advocating for limiting knowledge.
Well known canonical work, Paradise Lost
Well, considering it's a retelling of canonical works and is one of the most important literary works in the English language, I thought it relevant. After all, there's nothing in Paradise Lost that contradicts canon, and Milton's philosophy and theology are fairly well regarded if heterodox.
Canonicity doesn't matter when the characters are mythical to begin with.
That's why I demand all discussions about any mythology to take my personal fictions into account instead of the most common historical versions.
No, I haven't shared them with anyone, and they're clearly marked "Dreams I had Once on The Astral Plane" but if you disagree with my points that they're relevant to a general understanding of the myths it makes you an idiot theist.
Why didn't you just cross post to both? Fits well in both.
Crosspost for crossfit?
I know where the exit is, don't worry.
"Do you cross-fit? you can cross-fuck-off, cross-fart"
Its been eight hours, you have four upvotes, and this comment still reads like word salad to me. I'm assuming im missing something and this is a reference or an in-joke isnt it?
It was a mediocre joke.
OP posted here something that was originally on r/fit.
Another commenter suggested they cross-post somewhere else.
I just suggested that if you have a post about fit, when you cross-post it it becomes about cross-fit.
You didn't miss anything interesting ;)
Thanks for taking time out of your day to explain it for me gaael its a decent play on words! I just wasnt picking up what you were putting down today
Raw onion is good! Though I wouldn’t just eat a whole one lol
One of the best things to scoop hummus with.
Catastrophic tooting ensues
Catastrophic Tooting is my favorite Doom Ska band.
Doom Ska is the metal-punk crossover I never knew I needed.
Raw red onion is amazing in sandwiches, and I've eaten chopped white onion on hot dogs, and that's pretty good, too. Just straight-uo eating an onion by itself? No.
Nobody said it wasn't good.
Literally this post did
No said suffering want good. Lots of people like things that cause mild to moderate discomfort, but watching someone do something they dislike for an invalid reason seems to be the context. Lots of people like raw onion, but the consensus seems to be that few people would enjoy sitting there and simply eating an entire raw onion.
You don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "literally." This post figuratively said so.
Did you literally read the post?
Hi. Third party here. They're correct: that's literally not what literally means. Ok thanks bye.
Fourth party here: definitions are descriptive not prescriptive and vary by common usage. Due to current common usage, literally means both literally and figuratively, with the original definition slowly losing ground. So no one is correct.
True, but if you wanted to articulate the concept formerly known as "Literally", how would you do it? I just woke up, and my brain hasn't booted all the way to desktop yet, but I can't immediately think of another word to fill the niche.
If everybody was jumping off a bridge, would you do that, too?
It's cool. The Lemmy dogpile started and I'll be buried in a figurative hole soon.
But is it a figurative burying or a meta-literal one? I mean if you really think about things entomologically and we pick apart the Latin root words of "bury" and "dogpile" we might just find that the meaning of lemmy dogpile changes completely depending on context, literally figuratively.
Language is fucked. We really need telepathically beaming abstract concepts directly into brain matter so I don't have to crawl through linguist brainrot reply chains.
Yes.
I didnt say, "this post literally did," i said, "literally this post did."
Back in my day you wore them on your belt.
Only the yellow ones.
Because of the war.
I want all the context please
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/so-i-tied-an-onion-to-my-belt-which-was-the-style-at-the-time
Thanks! I thought it was simpsons deep down but I also wasn't sure if it may have been legit in this timeline.
Man The Simpsons used to be so funny. Still kinda is but different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_7DMk3oeOE
It was the style at the time
but, raw onion is just fucking good. why would you need to troll somebody into eating it?
Are you eating onion like a fuckin apple? Btw the skin has the most testo boost
This is misinformation.
Everyone knows that you get the biggest boost to testosterone by leaving the onions until they start to degrade; yes, this is the point when the chemicals that make you cry are strongest, but if you can hold back the tears then you get +50 testosterone.
This is disinformation. Everyone knows that you get the highest boost +100 of testosterone if you insert the raw onions in your ass daily. It's equivalent to squatting 300 lbs.
I legit used to work with a lady who would do that. Her dad trolled her with an onion he told her was a weird apple as a kid. She loved it and just kept eating them. She was an interesting individual. In the best way.
I heard there was a study that said you have to rub hot chilli's on the outside of the skin first to make it convert the T into something the body can uptake.
The chilis go in your eyes, dumbass.
Oh yeah and if you rub it in the arm pits you get to make both your skin and the onion testo boost stronger
no, but i do enjoy slices of onion and cheese as a snack from time to time.
I like raw onion but it doesn't like me :(
Same, but I power through anyways
Are you allergic to alliums? Or just doesn't sit well? I think raw onions might not be good for me, so I'm just wondering...
No idea never heard of that allergy, they just feel weird on my stomach like I want to burp them up or something. They also leave a lingering taste in my toungue.
Jokes on you, I'm Hungarian, I eat raw onions!
And why wouldn't you. I tend to not bite into the whole thing but suffer from occasional urges to do so.
Still remember that maybe 10 years ago on our way to Romania two grandpa's in a restaurant in Hajdúnánás ordered some huge chives to dip in salt with their beers.
I ordered the same 10 minutes after and both gave me a drinking salute. Still eat it in summer, amazing healthy snack.
Raw onions are delicious.
There good on burgers and hotdogs
Except, A lot of people eat raw onions. On salads and sandwiches. Sometime I caramelize some onions and put them on a sandwich along with raw onions. I guess they cancel out when I do that ;)
Pickled red onions are one of my top sandwich toppings. Easy to make and so goddam good.
I love these, what's your go to recipe?
I follow J Kenji Lopez's recipe
It's goddam delicious.
I'm going to try to make this. Without the sugar of course.
Don't forget about pico de gallo. Raw onion, tomato, jalapeño, cilantro, lime juice, and salt. And that's just one of many Mexican foods that use raw onion.
Yeah but do they post up how much more manly and full of testosterone they feel afterwards?
Yeah, some people do like raw onions. Some like Vegemite. The trick is b getting the people who don't to eat them
All onions are good onions. Big onion is best onion though
I don't want to.
The modern internet in a single image.
I'm a bit skeptical of Twitter Verified posters though. Makes me think jeeba made that up for Twitter engagement… I guess that’s fitting, too.
On CNN the hacker named 4chan strikes again
Good thing I have curtains, and a dog
Why would someone care about their testosterone levels? If it's causing a problem shouldn't you are a doctor. If it's not then there is no problem in the first place.
Because an entire generation of online grigters convinced people that "big testo good, small testo bad". The same people who think baldness is a sign of low testoteron or that thin men have low t.
Isn't baldness literally linked to high testosterone?
These are the same people that think Joe rogan is smart.
Because he has such thick hair.
That is correct, But these guys want more testosterone because they think more testosterone = more man.
Yep, transmascs taking T often have to worry about it as a side effect
A specific type of testosterone, which also happens to be the most 'potent' one, but it, like many other occurrences in your body, has a lot of inputs and nuance to it.
Surely would explain why I have so much hair.
Well at least they are getting their veggies.
Can't say for much, but I do know testosterone is a drug (aka steroids) people willingly take to pursue a super muscular body type. Wouldn't be surprised if people tried alternatives to get the same effect, especially since onions are technically "natty" (natural)
There's probably also some folklore on test outside of bodybuilding, wouldn't be surprised if toxic influencers promoted it
Testosterone it's not a drug, but a hormone.
I should have specified in the context of bodybuilding. People naturally have testosterone, but when talking about bodybuilding, it's usually about people taking it as a performance enhancing drug.
It's one of the four humours of brodom.
Jeeba is a Nazi apologist
Ooof. I should have known and blurred out their name. Or at least, just assume anyone on Twitter is a Nazi apologist.
Everyone on Twitter is literally a Nazi apologist.
4chan user in nazi association shocker
Bro science is bad science.
Bro is bad
So like, did he compose entire fake studies for a laugh or are there real scientific studies out there about the effects of raw onion on testosterone
People will believe anything so long as you sound authoritative enough and if people don't reason about it enough. It applies to everyone even me
I believe you!
There's the paradox.
So many people believe: because they know about a bias, they are not affected. Hint: they are!
Ok well in the absence of real information I am going to imagine he photoshopped an infographic together
Little known fact. The leading cause of receiving a cancer diagnosis is being screened for cancer.
Deliberately posting misinformation and misleading people doesn't make them dumb. It just makes the world a worse, more confusing place.
How deep do you go? Believing a post on 4chan? Dumb. Believing a comment on reddit? Dumb. Believing an article on a reputable news site? Dumb. Believing a study funded entities that may encourage a bias? Dumb. Believing a study from scientists that would rather cause sensation than do good science? Dumb. Guess the only solution is to put on that lab coat, get a doctorate and do the experiment yourself, huh? Or maybe put the blame on people spreading misinformation instead of the victims it hurts. There isn't enough time in the fucking day to validate everything you come across, and if you're not doing the experiments yourself you're trusting someone.
That's what you're saying. Do you know what you're saying?
Omfg I have a friend who claims he just loves eating raw onions and I know why now 🤯😂
And perhaps that explains why a colleague of mine is eating onions.
Couldn't it just be that they taste great?
Or are they eating them whole like an apple? That seems extreme.
If you eat them with the skin on, you'll have so much testosterone that people will elect you to lead your country.
Wtf? Is that madness or fortitude?
New word unlocked: Mortitude.
At least they are just making them eat onions, it's not like it's going to make them sick or anything.
Reminds me of that time when I was spamming on FB groups that dog food contained chloroquine
/fit/ is the best board
You might think eating raw onion is abnormal but you guys do it wrong, you need to eat it in small pieces with salt dips alongside food for that burn which goes nicely
Cut in squares add salt and oil, stir and let it stay in oil and salt for 5-10 minutes. Eat. No longer that spicy or strong onion taste.
Try Balkan fast food, where you get a heapful of raw onions with your meal.
Kebabs have a bit of raw onion in them, the unusual thing is just eating the raw onion like an apple.
Isn't chopped onion on McDonald's hamburgers? If not I know for a fact that it's a thing at greasy spoon type places in San Bernardino though usually it ain't chopped just a whole ass ring or two.
Huh. Memory unlocked. The raw onions on McDonald's burgers are why I always got nuggets as a kid.
Nowadays I'll have some raw red onion in a sandwich on occasion, but hate the burps that follow.
Yes, that's how I learned i was ok with onions as a kid.
I can't think of a 'build your own burger' place, whether a backyard grill or a restaurant, that doesn't have the raw circled onion slices available.
I always thought you at it like an Apple like then Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott did not just once, but two occasions. One example
And this man is the pinnacle of manliness
I just balance it out by alternating. I'm so macho I have to watch out how much I increase my testosterone.
i remember inadvertently tricking a friend to smoke dried onion epidermis. We were young and i made an obviously stupid joke about different highs. He didn't get the joke and came back to complain about the terrible headache he had after smoking onions. 🤷
We had a guy in one of my classes a where his housemates convinced him that juicing onions was a great way get gains. They immediately regretted the decision since he committed hard core for about 6 months. Surprised he didn’t damage himself with all the acidic juice
.....the smell of his BO........
Ya could probably smell him a mile away.
It was brutal I could smell him before he entered a lecture hall
I'll take a raw Vidalia/sweet onion any day! I usually do, but not like the whole thing lol
Ya. Skip the seeds in the middle.
Wouldn't want an onion tree to grow in my stomach!
I'm sure that not everyone who frequents/ed that sub fits the profile you are imagining. Please don't do this.
It's too late
Diabolical
On a second thought this misinformation could also affect a trans masc person. I doubt it would, they are more vulnerable and hence would probably try to cross-check info... Or even rely on community support. In many cases, getting an actual testosterone prescription from a medical doctor is even possible.
30 seconds googling for accuracy? Is that how long it takes to verify disinformation? What if you come across a study funded by big onion that says the same thing? How do you know you're not being mislead on a higher level? You skim an ncbi article for 30 seconds and think you know right from wrong?
As a trans person, you don't trust info that doesn't come from the trans community.
As a trans person, community info is a mixed bag. Trust but verify and keep your bs detectors up. Also food won't impact your sex hormone levels sufficiently unless it's something like an herbal medicine that just happens to also be eaten for fun.
Sure being from the community doesn't mean the info is good, but if it's from outside it DEFINITELY isn't
If there's one thing children are known for, it's checking their sources and being tied into larger minority communities
You talk about trans people as if they are removed
Have i met trans people dumb enough to fall for this? Yes. Have I met trans people dumb enough to fall for this for longer than the length of time that it tends to take to get your first hormone prescription? If so I really hope that means it's gotten faster since I started.
You start feeling it by a month.
That said, can I imagine trans guys who eat a ton of raw onions while on T? Yeah, absolutely
Wow. So the new morality is that it's okay to be an asshole if the target is crowd-approved and it creates something amusing to click on. So much more Enlightened than boomers!
These aren't some vulnerable protected class of people, it's workout bros, if they can't look into a study to see it's bullshit that is on them. I agree though it's a bit rude.
Oh I know... crowdsourced blanket judgements of entire groups of people are right as long as the right people do it and they're right about it. Very common mentality, becoming more so in the meme era. I just don't happen to agree with it.
I don't, I meant OP appears to think it is, since people almost universally think their own actions are moral.
Yes, it is moral to mildly inconvenience assholes.
I don't have a dog in this fight, not into fitness and my testosterone seems fine, but I think it's as ignorant as it is arrogant to decide a whole group of people are assholes because they have certain hobbies or interests or health concerns. Absolutely as ignorant as thinking black people are criminals.
True, but the people who actually need testosterone will not be well served by researching on fitness forums, and most of the people on fitness forums who are trying to 'increase their testosterone' seem fair game as far as an amusing and mostly harmless prank.
It's not nearly as close to the racist example as you think since no one is born a fitness bro or coerced into reading a forum post, and if they are, the could spend a minute considering a source. The only person this is likely to harm would be someone desperate to legitimately increase their testosterone, unwilling to go to a doctor and somehow harmed by eating onion. At that point it's hard to say when a prank would ever be truly safe.
Yeah, I'm getting the hint that tricking people into self abuse and mocking them is the kind of thing you'd want to teach your kids to do as long as the people deserve it by being lumped into a legitimate target group, and that rationalizing that bit of minor cruelty on social media is super worthwhile.
Yeah, or maybe mocking a group that is a little too gullible and full of itself with what is arguably a broadly harmless prank isn't the same thing as tricking someone vulnerable into drinking bleach to make friends or something.
Honestly, tricking someone into eating something many people eat willingly isn't the moral quagmire you seem to think it is.
Generalizing a group is a logical fallacy. Many humans don't seem to realize that though and continue to do it anyways.