The New Video of Federal Agents Ambushing a Student and Disappearing With Her Should Chill You to Your Core
One of the men goes for her phone. The other grabs at her hands. Ozturk screams. Shock and fear ripple through her voice. Two masked women join them, tugging at her backpack, peeling the straps from her shoulders. “I’m going somewhere, I need to call someone,” she pleads. “We’re the police. Relax,” one of the men says in response.
They surround her. Then, one by one, they pull their neck gaiters up to cover their faces. “You don’t look like police,” a voice off screen says. “Why are you hiding your faces?” The questions continue, but the figures don’t respond. Instead, they cuff Ozturk, cross the street, and put her in an unmarked SUV. She is gone.
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For the record, and I know I'm not the first to say it, this woman committed NO crime. She didn't overstay a visa, she didn't protest illegally. She wrote something the administration didn't like.
For that, she was arrested by 8 masked officers in the middle of the street, in broad daylight. She was thrown in the back on an unmarked SUV. She's received no legal representation. No trial. Not even charges, because again, she committed no crime.
Americans, you realize you're watching the death of your rights and the rule of law, right? You have no illusions about the fact that you are defenseless? There is no longer any guardrail between you and an El Salvadoran prison camp. In something that reminds me very much of Stalin, an accusation is now a conviction.
Defenseless is a good word, it seems like we're all just waiting for a savior to show up and rescue us. It doesn't help that a large amount of Americans see protest as pointless right now. What it feels like is the bystander effect on a national level.
The worst part is how many people either support or just brush it off.
After all that trashing of Russians and why they do not fight against their government, the world gets to see that Americans are basically the same: so many fall for the dumbest possible propaganda and the rest is either afraid or apathetic.
Humans are the same everywhere. Political structures and cultures are not, but humans have evolved for much longer.
Which is why when you (if you do) think about the EU being some land of honey, it would be wise to also think "what am I missing if I don't see similar problems there".
I agree. We had over 20% far right votes here in Germany recently. Russian propaganda is going strong, too. Somehow I hope that watching the rapid disassembly of the US under Trump should open the eyes of some of them, but I am grasping at straws here.
Americans have seen a generation of peaceful protests that were crushed and villified. Anti-WTO, Anti-Iraq War, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc; all failed to achieve any of their stated goals.
And now that the fascists have taken control, peaceful protest is even less effective. For peaceful protest to succeed your opponent must have empathy, and fascists have none.
The last protest movement that accomplished something substantial was the civil rights movement. It was not peaceful, it was militant. I think we need a modern Black Panther Party.
For peaceful protests to succeed they must attract more people to the cause and gather momentum. Protests now would be useful for bringing people together and emboldening people to resist what's going on. They are a step in building a movement. To say "protests alone don't change things" misses this point.
Exactly, you need armed protest.
It's the wheel of life:
Protests help something, but they are hard, violent, inconvenient, people die, money is lost, but they achieve goals and generally people know that protests and breaking everything around is necessary. Cutting infrastructure, beating officials (including police) to pulp, closing roads. Stopping factories (ok, that's not a problem in the first world), stopping trucks and trains, stopping mail. Causing blackouts.
To avoid that, people talk. They form mechanisms to avoid real protests, but these mechanisms are dependent on real protests. Like gold standard - it's supported by circulation, so if you can't fall back to gold, you can't really call it gold standard. It's the same with protests. Real democracy is dependent on falling back to protests and just killing a few of the government jerks who think they are some kind of thief aristocracy.
People have long, really long period of questions being resolved by talking. And if it comes to protests, these are soft protests and they - mistake - become too subject for discussion, like let's not go to those streets, let's not hurt businesses, let's follow these rules and obey police.
People get used to that.
The protest gold standard is in fact abolished, you've been softly and slowly made a serf, congratulations.
Try protesting now, you'll get absolutely abused for doing pretty normal things.
OK, I'm from Russia, here people looked at tanks on the streets of Moscow in a few crises and decided they are smart and wise to follow rules made by thieves and murderers.
There have been weekly protests of this shit across the country since the asshole was elected. It’s not helping. And even the “opposition party” is capitulating to the bullshit. What else are we supposed to do?
She also had her visa revoked so can no longer legally stay in the USA to complete her studies, or enter again. This was because she wrote an op-ed disapproving of Israel's genocide.
Remember "Better be Russian than a democrat" guys? Well, now they're Russian!
We .need to arm ourselves and shoot fuckers like this. If you see fuckets like this trying to take someone intervene and shoot to kill. We need rise up. Because yes we are next.
Just start by protesting, protecting, and block them from doing this shit when possible. If you go directly full terrorist mode, it means they won...
They already won, are you from another species? Are you watching this?
You mean... like these fuckers?
They won a (ok a bit more) battle, not the war! Move your ass, rebuild your democracy and add safeguards so you never let such hateful, retarded people in this position again.
Black Panthers open carried.
We have guns. Lots of guns.
Everyone needs to arm themselves and train.
I suspect your government would love it if you started shooting. They'd declare martial law. Goodbye elections, hello police state.
They will do this either way.
There is no bargaining with these people. They will not not escalate from their side. By not escalating from your side you only encourage their escalation as they face no repercussions.
That's true actually - they are escalating pretty hard already.
As a long-term peacenik though, I hate the thought of gun battles on the streets. I wish you all the very best. I first visited the US in 1976 and have toured around a lot since then. My one single bad experience was Homeland Security when transiting through LAX. We're tourists not terrorists, jeez cool your jets! I can't imagine how bad ICE is.
Your guns don't compare to the guns the government use. Nor do you have the numbers to resist even if equally armed. If the 1/3 of voters that didn't vote, actually voted for for Harris, you wouldn't be in this mess but there you are.
Yeah well, ask the Afghans or Vietnamese. Turns out you don't need to have the same fire power to drag your opponent through the mud.
The Vietnamese had some of the greatest strategic minds in their history leading the fight against the Americans.
So far, it doesn't seem like there's a single leader for a resistance in the U.S., and certainly none as skilled in tactics.
Where do you expect the resistance leaders to come from?
From the state resistance leadership school, with the public resistance leadership grant? If you dont form a resistance you cannot create resistance leaders
The Afghans and Vietnamese had nothing to lose. Americans, no matter how much they complain online, have everything to lose.
What do you mean about numbers? The state and it's guards are always massively outnumbered by the people, it's just a question of organization.
But how many people are willing to risk their life without immediate danger to themselves (yet)?
and if we had a time machine we could fix all this. STFU. GUNS.
I had a decent amount I got back from taxes that I intentionally spent. I'm mentally ill. I'm off my meds because I cant risk withdrawl from going back on them only to have RFK take them away again. I'll lose my job. It doesnt pay enough for me to get by anyway. If I kept that money, I know I would have bought that gun. And I would have used it on myself.
I'm still not sure I did the right thing spending myself into this hole to keep a gun away. I know using it on my oppressors wouldnt likely succeed. I'm more likely to use it on myself.
I still dont know if it was the right thing to do to not buy the gun.
The state rests it's case.
What was written?
She expressed anti-Palestinian genocide sentiments.
In New America that gets you disappeared by masked thugs.
A couple of op-eds for a Student newspaper criticizing Israel? I thought I saw the pieces linked earlier but I don't see them now. The article linked on this post says it supported a student divestment program and referenced the International Criminal Court calling attacks on Gaza a genocide.
Hardly spicy compared to your average social media post.
https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
Yes.
America has always been more or less of a fascist state, and this is not new activity, although it is worse and more brazen in a lot of ways. Civil Rights for ethnic minorities has always been pretty iffy.
30% of the country loves this shit, and another large fraction doesn't even know it's going on. A lot of us are working to try to change things. The media is not covering all of the demonstrations, but we definitely need more people to get angry.
Also, this is just the rehearsal until they go for political opponents with American citizenship.
What the fuck do we do? I’m in a hyperliberal city in one of the few blue states left. We are relatively safe for now. I make a comfortable amount of money that I use to support my wife and friends who sometimes may not have necessities. I cannot risk my job by taking every day off to protest. Protests also seem meaningless to go to for me in my city because they’re happening in a safer city.
I am donating to the ACLU every month, but idk what else we can be doing. What can we be doing?
Organize armed protests. Connect in your neighborhood, so if this shit goes down, and it will start going down in your neighborhood soon enough, people can show up, free the victim and bog down the attackers.
Time for Canada to annex Pacific Coast states(at least) then we can live in a functioning democracy again.
Cascadia when?
America, the land of the free... Right?
Remember when conservatives were all like fear mongering that Obama was going to do this to them? It was always projection.
Free to the power of the people in uniform!
Or people not in uniform seemingly. Easiest time ever to actually kidnap people: Get your thugs together, get a van, kidnap your target person from the street, while yelling "shut up, we are the police". Outcome is essentially the same
Link to the song, for those who don't know the reference.
Thanks for linking that
The two following lines are very relevant too
WT actual F? A school opinion piece gets you disappeared??
We FUCKING TOLD ALL OF YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN. And you said we were being hyperbolic.
It will get worse.
How long do people think it will take for there to be shooting over this? Not everyone is going to just let people get disappeared in front of them without doing anything.
They bred soul out of Americans a long time ago.
Liberals in America have willingly neutered themselves over the past 70 years. The only group in America willing to resort to anti government violence is currently in power.
Who are you addressing here
Probably anyone who's shocked at this happening.
All the "Trump won't be so bad" idiots.
I don't think there's a lot of those around here. Kind of off-putting because I knew it would be bad, and now have to live it.
They were EVERYWHERE right before the election.
All the people who said to 'punish' the Democrats by not voting or voting for Russian assets Jill Stein or Donald Trump.
Probably the Americans.
Let's see if they bother to take any actual real action though, or if they just keep insisting there's nothing they can do.
I have a vested interest in them actually doing something positive about their situation, because in a few years if they don't, Europe and her allies will find itself in a World War, defending itself from Fascist USA aggression :-(
At least we didn't support genocide /s
You see 'Genocide Joe' had to be defeated for vague reasons I will not explain. No, I will not address that his opponent explicitly supports ethnic cleansing, and war. Instead, I will call you a genocide supporting piece of shit.
/s
Latest that I got was "antisemitic" for criticizing voting for Stein on account of her ties to Russian oligarchs and the Green Party's abject lack of any attempt to organize or run down-ballot candidates that could have a positive impact. I then discovered that it was an alt for a tankie from the grad.
Wait till he goes after citizens. You can’t vote democrat if you have a felony for… something.
This is the Thought Police, brought to you by the people who invoke 1984 when their putrid opinions get called out on the internet.
Lesson for non citizens. You don’t have a first amendment right in this country under this administration.
Honestly, for citizens, I am sure he will find ways of punishing us for free speech as well.
They already do, it's called gangstalking. If you can dig through the bullshit about aliens and nonsense that they put out their to make it look like a conspiracy... The goal is to make people that talk the truth look insane. We have been in a psychological war for a long time.
I don't think America has been the good guy long before trump. What's happening now is a long time effort. There are ideologies and organizations older than America.
It can't be fixed, just destroyed.
Gangstalking is very real. The people trying to discredit it are the ones who benefit from it. More people need to understand these tactics, as it will likely become more common as time goes on. It's painted to look like a conspiracy, but it's very similar to what the stasi did to people in eastern Germany also called "zersetzung".
It's eerily similar to how American politics has been working.
Ahh America’s certainly had its oopsies… A little Tuskegee syphilis here, a little spot of genocide there…
:-/
Hey if I may touch on something:
Readers unfamiliar, please review definition of gangstalking :)
An example:
tl;dr (embellished): average narcissistic family invests tremendous resources to bother some family member who seems to hop between random jobs; their head swivels constantly as they stare at the stalkers all around them, and they wonder why people stare back
Want folks to be aware of the context here. btw the only people I’ve ever seen dismantle this kinda thing has been western educated sciency folks (lab coats, MD in title, etc.) plus they’re not the type to harass and make too much money to be roped into schemes (induced to harass). Thank you!
Not even anything radical. Just "recognize ICC and stop giving money plz"
White Rose movement got a girl and her brother beheaded in Nazi Germany. For pretty much this.
Edit: (wrong flower and wrong relationship and yeah others were executed i just read about them)
I'm pretty sure you mean the White Rose five Students and a University Professor were executed by the Gestapo for graffiti and leaflets. Best known are the siblings Sophie and Hans Scholl.
Yeah it's been a while since I read about it thanks for correcting it
Canary Mission = White *Rose
AHA! That's what got me confused thank you!
This is terrifying. Anybody can pretend to be ICE and kidnap in broad daylight.
How long do you think until an ICE agent is killed in the line of "duty"? A week, a month? And how many seconds after it happens will the government use it as an excuse to ratchet up the violence?
What was fascinating, or perhaps horrific is a better word, about the article that I didn't know about is the brief mention of "The Canary Mission"
Here's from their about page:
Essentially they gather dossiers on private individuals that they claim are anti-semitic. So, I looked up the woman that was taken off the street like a Ukrainian draft-dodger.
https://canarymission.org/individual/Rumeysa_Ozturk
What was the anti-Israel activism, you ask? I figured it was some sort of protest. Sort of like the one in New York where they occupied a building.
Nope
At Tufts university, the Community Union Senate (not really sure what this is. a student council or something) passed a 3/5ths majority resolution urging the president of the university to
acknowledge the Palestinian genocide
apologize for some statements, I don't know what
disclose its investments
divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel
She co-wrote an op-ed essentially demanding the president follow the resolution that was passed. That's the "anti-Israel activism" she's guilty of. I suppose that's enough to be deported. Be careful out there guys. If you aren't a citizen, shut up about your political views until you are. Because there are eyes out there watching everything you do. Even if you are.. consider what you are doing. You may be making an enemy of a vindictive state that is willing to break the rules.
Here's the op-ed, in case you're interested: https://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/03/4ftk27sm6jkj
Lock 'em up, I guess. If you believe that Palestinian civilians have a right to life then you are a terrorist-sympathizer in this administration's opinion.
i don't disagree. i think this one specifically is currently taking aim at muslims specifically while the other was more generalized
This is frightening.
Why isn't Musk on there?
where?
The canary site. He doesn't think too highly of Jewish folk.
Look at their body language.
These aren't law enforcement professionals detaining a suspect.
These are Nazi Brown Shirt thugs ganging up on a fucking PhD student.
This country is nosediving HARD. Arm yourselves. I would never allow plain-clothed thugs to push me into an unmarked van and take me to a secondary location. You are fighting for your life at that point for all you know.
“We’re the SS. Be very afraid”. There, FTFY
Legit, from her perspective, this is no different from a human trafficking kidnapping, this is the shit my wife has taken classes to learn to defend herself from, it's only a matter of time before someone defends themselves (unknownly assaulting an officer and assuredly setting off some punitive, authoritarian political bullshit)
This shit has happened in NYC. Thieves roll on you and claim to be cops.
Literally disappearing people off the street
Didn't the U.S. fight a war against a country and its leader who did the same shit? I was never very proud to be an American because this country has done some fucked up shit since 1776. But this is downright terrifying to me as someone who is disabled and considered a parasite by Elon because if they aren't stopped after this then it's game over for any "non-white" people, LGBTQ+, and poor people in general to be disappeared.
This may be why they want Greenland so bad 🤔
They want Greenland because the Trump admin is convinced the next big intl. power struggle will be about resources in the arctic circle.
And also of course because they’re fascist imperialists and terrorizing/annexing their neighbors is the typical MO.
It took the Nazis a few years to come for the disabled and mentally ill:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
Let's see if the US can speedrun it.
They already want to declare people criticizing Trump as mentally ill in order to silence them. That speed run is in full effect.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?number=SF2589&version=0&session=ls94&session_year=2025&session_number=0
The guy who introduced that bill (allegedly) likes to fuck kids. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/18/minnesota-justin-eichorn-arrested-soliciting-minor
Type of shit they tell you to expect in China, except its the USA
Fucking Nazis. Where the fuck is she
In Louisiana awaiting a Nazi judge to rubber stamp their blatant kidnapping of this woman
En route to El Salvador.
From 1933 to 1934 in 3 months. Clock is ticking dear american people.
Time has run out. The only option is to do the right thing, which will involve people intervening and dying.
The head of the snake needs to be cut off. That will be incredibly difficult. Vance, Musk, Hegesth, Rubio, all need to be handled.
The White House is the most secure building in this country. That's not hyperbole. It has anti-air missiles, snipers, and who knows what the fuck else. You hop that fence and everyone in that direction is dead.
It can be done, but the organizing hasn't grown large enough. There are groups that are loud and obvious. And there are others that keep quiet.
If this were easy it would have been done already.
Everyone in the presidential line of succession are monsters. The entire government is being reshaped into a totalitarian state. A full revolution or counter-coup is needed. I don't see a revolutionary movement being organized any time soon. Maybe if we get into Great Depression-like conditions. I think the amount of surveillance, well-developed counter-intelligence tactics, and power of the state in modern America would still make a revolution very hard to pull off though. I suppose extremely popular mass civil disobedience could also bring everything to a halt and make the US ungovernable; not sure what would actually happen to the government though.
How many months from 1934 to 1984?
1939 is also of interest
AP's article mentions that Ozturk was posted on this website, https://canarymission.org/
'Tis a spooky place. No names, none of the articles have bylines, contact is just a webform, domain registration is anonymized, donation link is being washed thru some company called RTech Digital Marketing out of India.
Really got me wondering, who the fuck are these people and why do they seem to have ICE's ear.
If you see this start filming and get them to shout their name. This is not how an arrest is done in a normal country. This is how you disappear people and how militias can fake being police to abduct and kill people.
I'm laughing to keep from crying.
This isn’t about race, it’s about class, at least for the demographics that the democrats are targeting. Kamala is mixed race but she represents the interests of the owning class and she just did absolutely nothing to sway votes in her favor. Trump is arguably much worse, but people should stop pretending a white candidate would have won over republican voters.
Idk bringing out the big guns of a cheney instead I’d her progressive VP pick in the final days of the campaign should have sealed it. Must be racism.
This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.
Not to mention people who wouldn't vote for Donald Trump spouting this bullshit when all evidence directly calls out manipulation from Elon himself as well as Putin himself. Those two factors should be taking precedence in everyone who didn't vote for Trump's minds. Not this half baked "she didn't try hard enough" bullshit.
The failing was decades and centuries ago that led to this. Power has been consolidating in the presidency since the constitution was signed as the legislature and courts are happy to give more and more of their power over to the executive.
We've only been protected by being lucky having presidents and their staff with genuine care for the intent of the constitution.
This was only a matter of time. It wasn't our fault. This is America.
This is getting old. The failing has escalated over the last decades, when politicians of all parties abandoned the working class / middle class and catered towards the ultra rich instead. They gradually shifted to the right and now the republicans are right wing extremists and the democrats are a right wing party too. Biden and Harris allowed the Gaza genocide to unfold and continued many of Trump‘s policies on migration even though they could have reverted them easily. They chose to serve their donors instead of the people and people just got tired of it. The democrats have themselves to blame, not the people pointing their failures out.
The fact that this is still contentious for Americans goes to show how far gone they are. Liberal democrats just can't seem to fathom the basic reality of what you're saying, they're so focused on aesthetics and "we need a mixed race woman president" over "we need to fix wealth inequality." It's about as brain dead as MAGA but with virtue signalling, "Yeah I support Israel, no it's not a genocide, rich people earned that money fair and square, and have no influence on our democracy" meanwhile they put on a rainbow flag badge on Pride month and say "I'm a progressive, and I support protesters (so long as they're not disruptive.)"
Kamala is part of the problem. Unchecked neoliberal capitalism has created Trump. Yes, obviously, I would prefer the status quo over fascism. We all would.
But as long as the majority of the country is financially insecure fascism will rise. Establishment DNC is just as guilty as the establishment GOP in causing this tragedy
you keep feeding the oligarchs long enough and they attempt a coup.
Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game.
I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitorous political hostage takers in our own party who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x the loathing I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbing war criminals deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber who chose to lose rather than throw the Palestinians a bone. That was her choice.
And thats who you want to complain about now? Not bothered that she supported war crimes when the republic was at stake, but just that someone with dark skin and female sex organs didnt win? Seems like a pretty trite and privelaged concern for you to engage in when innocent human children are being blown apart.
and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.
So all based on your last sentence, you're partially responsible for the shit storm we're in now?
I dont vote for any mass murderer. You did.
Shall we go back to school and use Humes simple test for ethics? "What if everyone did that?" If everyone votes like you do we're always going to have a dem who's merely slightly better than the fascist from here on out. You voted to keep this hostage vting situation going indefinitely. I chose to let it light itself on fire, which happened without the left lighting a single match. If the dems werent on side because they wanted to take zionist money, thats not on me. The dems left their traditional platform, we leftists didnt leave it-- we're still standing where we've always stood. And the zionists were never about to allow the dems to get their own direction back.
What's really trite and "privelaged" is scolding others because they didn't make Palestine their only voting concern. I guess the death of the US and every vulnerable group in it is worth it to people with that opinion.
On a very personal level, I'm trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future. Go ahead and scold me because some bomb I had no say in was used halfway across the world to kill children. I just wanted people to vote for the person who wouldn't make SS black bag people in broad daylight.
That was a winnable race. Harris dchose to lose listening to her zionist boss, her zionist husband and her zionist campaign manager brother in law. I am just a voter with some ethics unlike you lot of war crimes jrs.
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yeah I'm sorry that edit button exists. I dont know what to tell you. Theres probably a complaint form around here someplace you can use. Sometimes you need a couple edits to get a concise message. Such is life on reddit and lemmy.
No, you aren't a voter. You told us you didn't vote (for president anyway). That's the point.
Your moral grandstanding helped make the very issue you are championing completely unrecoverable, and a bunch of us are now under the bus as a result. Palestinians are almost certain to be wiped out now, no matter how badly many of us wanted to end the genocide and hold Israel accountable. You have cut off your nose to spite your face.
I see, so its the anti genocide/"basic human rights arent negotiable" side thats at fault for the US falling apart?
I see, so it's the anti-fascist/"basic human rights apply in our country too" side who are at fault for the genocide of Palestinians? 🙄
So your "fighting fascists" fight is simply to vote for one of their manufactured war crimes choices both of which demanded you personally be accountable for assisting in murder?
Fascism lite is still fascism. Killing fewer people is still killing, and its wildly illegal and immoral, full stop.
Harris's platform was wildly illegal and immoral. So was trumps. I'm not about to be nagged or threatened into giving my vote to either of those camps.
If that means the country burns itself down then thats fine, we just get a chance to get to the endgame faster where we build it back up to something better. There was nothing down the road of siding with Harris except more zionist puppeteering, and training you all to be nazi prison guards while you deal with the cognitive dissonance of Harris continuing the genocide after you had a hand in getting her in office.
Harris read the polls on the number of people like yourself who would make a deal on her platform. People like yourself who care mostly about your trans rights, even if we're talking about murder of innocents. With that data she thought she could roll the dice on winning. If fewer people had not projected that they'd allow her platform to win, she would have changed it. And we wouldnt be in this spot. Let me ask, did you vote uncommitted in the dem primary? It wouldnt have cost much of anything in terms of results of that race.
You didnt did you.
EDIT: Can't stand to keep your bullshit unedited? Not going to go on about how I only choose my safety and trans rights now and I have blood on my hands? Gonna pivot to the dem primaries, which in my state only had Biden on the ballot?
So sounds like people like you are partially to blame for all this crazy shit.
And Trump will be worse directly with Palestine, just give him time. He’s seemingly already given Israel the go-ahead to kill whoever they want. What was it that Israeli official said in the video a week ago - the worst is yet to come?
Trump will add a cherry on top for you and build a golf course or strip mall in Gaza over the wreckage and remains of dead Palestinians.
Biden/Harris killed almost 50 thousand people on their watch. It'll be much more when the bones of dead civilians pinned under rubble are actually counted.
If you were honest you'd say you considered both of the candidate to be equal on the gaza war crimes and you voted to keep the rest of your life going undisturbed
You’re conveniently ignoring the fact that most of that happened in the months immediately following 10/7. Of course Israel was going to be at peak insanity at that point…
Bold your text all you want lmao whoever we voted for here wasn’t going to change the US from sending money and arms to Israel in the short term. Harris at least wouldn’t have deported and locked up protestors. We’d at least have a voice - which would’ve left an opportunity for things to get better. Anyone pro-Palestine here is fucked now when it comes to that.
She’s also not buddy-buddy with Netanyahu like the special needs orangutan. You absolutely knew what you were getting with Trump if you voted for him or abstained. Anyone that says differently is ignorant as hell or has been on a deserted island cut off from the world for the past 10 years.
Well, fuck you. You don't get a say, then.
Thats fine. Youve got blood on your hands.
You literally have the fact that there's a fascist in chief in office; a sycophant pillaging the federal reserve and keeping our tax dollars for himself; an entire cult of personality that's now in charge of our judicial, executive, and legislative branches, giving the fascists complete control our government withdraw literally no oversight; rights are being taken away from everyone; actual natural-born US citizens are being "deported" (read: kidnapped and trafficked) to foreign countries like Venezuela and El Salvador; alllllll on your hands, and millions of others just like you.
Completely understandable on an emotional level, but if you're not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.
OK, it seems to me to be very remotely possible but unlikely.
I'd argue that you're coming from a consequentialism "the ends justifies the means" standpoint wheras I'm coming from deontological ethics.
I think you're arguing that "you can do whatever you want to as long as it leads to some identified desired outcome".
If republicans are pushing for fascism, as we all seem to perceive here, my approach is the exact opposite of that. You dont need to take my opinion on it, you can use classic models which are a whole lot better than nothing. If you read up (its 60 seconds, I promise) on consequentialism you will see the Harris campaign outlined pretty spot on, and if you read up on deontology you will see the ani genocide crowd, again spot on. Then take a step back and think which is a better way to fight the vast and sprawling abuses of fascism.
I dont think winging it ends-justifies-the-means style is going to cut it with these stakes. I'm not saying I'm sure I'm right, but I'm positive that I'm doing my best just like I 'd guess a lot of you think you are. When we think of what a bright future is, its a system of laws that irons out basic unfairness and brutality. We all want this. We disagree on how to get there.
Hot take: deontological ethics is a sad way to avoid taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions.
I don't think the ends justify the means, and in equal measure I don't think the means justify the ends.
I'm all for hearing a better way of fighting fascism. Letting a death cult take control of all branches of government was definitely a method. I'm not going to stop listening but like... what the fuck are we doing?
Oh yeah, I want this, and I disagree very heavily with the death cult absolute power method. But I don't have a choice now, it's up to you now to prove that fighting alongside the death cult was the better choice.
Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!
"We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"
Seems to me that you're the type of person who, when faced by a thug asking if you'd like their daughter punched in the face or stomach, would pick a spot, and hold the person who forced the choice blameless. In fact you'd elect them to rule over you.
"Saving Palestine". was not going to happen under either candidate, and the genocide so far has been under dem leadership. Any of that untrue?
Not making a choice is also a choice.
Your option in your own scenario is walking away from your daughter knowing she will get punched in the face.
You knew that by not voting blue, way more people would suffer. You knew that and you willingly let it happen. Enough of "yous" got us where we are now.
Just because your issue didn't get adressed by any of the candidates, you willingly walked away, knowing that not voting would inflict more suffering, than voting blue. I want to let you know, that I think you are a garbage person.
By the way, I am not from the US.
I wasnt out to teach a lesson, I was out to let this place implode. I dont export our countries war crimes to other places because thats momentarily more convenient for me-- like you'd prefer.
Ohh, so you’re an accelerationist! Now your comments make sense. Well, except the one claiming you’re anti-genocide, but the rest make sense. Kinda.
If our system requires blood to keep functioning then it needs to be smashed and recreated. You'd have it just continue. Although your desire to limp it along kinda makes a sad sort of sense, if you ignore your own hand in keeping it going.
“This whole system needs to be smashed and recreated, it’s fine if the country burns itself down”
“Btw you’re the one with blood on your hands, I definitely think basic human rights aren’t negotiable”
“We’re the police relax” says the gestapo mother fucker disappearing people
If you are in America and are expressing pro-Palestinian views online regardless of your citizenship status, you should be seriously considering yourself a legitimate target for arrest or abduction by the state. If you haven’t already, it is essential to assess your security posture and take action as required.
If you need a starting point, take a look at the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s surveillance self-defense guide: https://ssd.eff.org/
Please be safe.
This is fascism
Did we just watch a woman get abducted by sex traffickers?
Legally speaking if some one interfered or resisted wouldn't they be justified? No clear sign they are the law and they refuse to identify themselves
This is horrifying. This person broke no laws. If Trump is doing this to valid green card holders for exercising their first amendment rights, then we are one degree of separation from Trump doing this to U.S. citizens who criticize him.
It's only going to continue getting worse. Make an exit plan if you haven't already.
She is us. We are her.
It’s happening.
Definitely. Trump already wants to get rid of birthright citizenship going forward and has a lawsuit that has stopped his executive order. The MAGA goal is to be able to imprison and deport dissenters.
What would happen to a bystander who physically intervened, but then was overwhelmed? Could they be get assaulting a federal officer charge, or would that be dropped because they do not show proper identification? Asking for humanity
Yes.
Remember, the Nazis executed a college girl, by beheading, for handing out flyers.
Brown shirts would kill Jews on the streets.
ICE has been turned into the SS.
MAGAts are Nazis, expect them to behave like Nazis.
ICE is more Gestapo. Not the SS
Man Nazi Germany had so many different evil groups it's hard to remember who did what. Yes, gestapo is probably more accurate though
They didnt have many. Gestapa/Gestapo, Wehrmacht (land military) , SS, Hitlerjugend (HJ), Bund deutscher Mädel (BDM), SA (defunkt after power take over), Luftwaffe (airforce), Reichsmariene (Navy)
Thats basicly all. And yes the military is as guilty as the rest!
I’d argue they are his stormtroopers. Masks and all.
The Gestapo was the (secret) police. While the SS was a military group for all kinds of things. But they shot first, ask questions later
Stormtroopers are SA not SS
No. The SA was the paramilitary dirt boys for the dirty work before they got into power. SA stands for Sturmabteilung. Their job was intimidation and roughening up other politicians.
The SS were the nutcases that were used in all kinds of things. Inner security, in military battle, assisting the genocide, helping the gestapo, aso SS stands for Schutzstaffel. As in protection of the Reich
Like you said one became the other as essentially disenfranchised Germans after world sanctions in the treaty of Versailles.
If you put a gun in a starving man’s hand and point it at a meal they’ll shoot or becoming anything every time
Well, they at least shot first. I dont think they ever bothered to ask questions.
They would for sure catch charges. The days of having to do something illegal in order to be convicted are behind us. If the MAGAstappo get their way the only remaining function of the judicial system will be as a cudgel against their enemies.
If you got physical before they identified as police they would subdue you and then identity. That’s why there’s 8 of them for one arrest.
I think you’d have a good chance of getting off the numerous charges against you after sitting in jail and incurring thousands in legal fees.
Ha! or they just do what they are doing here and ship you of to a place in south america without any due process at all.
Shoot first, find out they are a pig after.
What would happen if I shot them?
They have badges on, so I would guess they would get an assaulting a federal office charge yeah.
That's terrifying. That is absolutely terrifying. Unidentified, masked people in all black kidnapping people right off the street in unmarked cars.
They did this in Washington state to citizens during the Covid 19 summer riots.
This is nothing new for Trump. Stay strapped and alert at all times for the next 4 years.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland
This is a fantastic way to get cops shot and killed in the street. Please, PLEASE try this shit in Oakland or Los Angeles I am begging you.
I saw the video and it’s terrifying. Out of nowhere she’s gone and no one can contact her. Hopefully this video is a catalyst for a huge brain drain from America.
Also tourism. Bookings to the US already dropped by 20% in my country.
About 20% of US tourism revenue comes from abroad. If no more foreign tourists will visit it means profits for many businesses will be wiped out completely.
At this point going to the US is showing your allegiance to the far right, if you give them your money and time it's because you support racism sexism and bigotry.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/tufts-students-visa-revoked-due-activism-rubio/story?id=120226954
Reminder that anyone can get some handcuffs and claim to be the police.
If you see someone bring abducted it is your responsibility to interfere.
Our inner child will refuse to believe this, but history has shown us that fascists cannot be stopped peacefully.
Concealed carry might be our only real defense in the future
We've become so complacent. A unified community would have intervened, violently if necessary. I would love nothing more than to see a crowd of folks popping out of houses and cars and surrounding these terrorists at gunpoint.
This is inexcusable. Permanent residents of this country are historically entitled to the first amendment.
If they can change that precedent, then there's little standing in the way of anyone else.
Can we stop talking about "we should, we should"? Who is actually doing?
The time for talk was over November 4th, but it is beyond over now - arm yourself, period.
Where are the community resources for community building and fighting against ICE tactics - this is what the internet is for? Who is running the underground railroad? Why are every single one of us not educated on TOR and VPNs? Who are we primarying? What are the plans for removing propaganda from our real life communities?
There are no accessible answers to these questions - this is unacceptable, and we get this in order now. No one is coming to save us, we must do it ourselves. We have a 2 month window between now and when the most in-person activity will happen (summer).
P.S. Everyone screams at the gun owners and politicians about why they won't do anything. But why would they? They'll basically throw their lives away for nothing - especially when the people they claim to fight for are so fucking spineless.
If this woman can have her First Amendment RIGHT stripped and arrested in the street by plain clothes, and every single person in this country isn't rioting, guns and laws will not fix it.
P.S P.S If you are not from America and are in a relatively free country, one of the best things you can do is host the resources for fighting the Nazis. American companies, individuals, and organization are automatically compromised.
If are an American, create an onion service or host using an EU VPS and domain registar.
I implore you to go search "Ozturk" on YouTube. A video from the NY Post comes up. Read the comments. I cannot believe the reaction of such an un-empathetic population.
Thank you for this. I wish I didn't but at least I know now that this is what the US wants. This is what they voted for. No more rights. No more constitutional protection. No freedom. The land of the privileged.
You're assuming 90% of those are not bots.
I absolutely believe at least half of them are just deplorable humans.
YouTube is a cesspool on a good day. If you know where to look (such as "anti-woke" "content" creators' videos), you can easily find an overwhelming number of shitheads in the comments cheering for overt bigotry or violence against others. A recent news topic and barely-moderated videos of a non-white woman getting disappeared? They're coming out of the woodwork for that, guaranteed.
Yeah, I've basically been online since 2003, YT comments has always been a lawless hellscape of scum and villainy.
Does it really help you to pretend that our enemies don’t actually exist? No, your fellow Americans actually do hold these beliefs. They want this and they would not hesitate to do the same to you.
These are the same people who go on and on about how the "vast majority" of americans are not supporting the actions of their government. They need to think like this, that someone else will fix things, otherwise they might have to take some action themselves.
You're assuming a whole lot of things about me. For instance, that I am even American. Chill. I said no such thing.
Neither did I?
How can I "fix things" or "take some action" myself if I am not American? Care to explain?
I'm not even American. No doubt that awful people and people stupid enough to write a comment of the sort exist. I'm just saying that bots are real and you shouldn't assume everything which is on the internet is written by an actual human, or at least a person who is doing so in good faith.
Keep in mind any empathetic comments are probably deleted.
Remember the outrage when stuff like that happens in China?
Ever since living there a few years back, I keep saying how your two countries are so fucking similar, and it getting truer every day.
Most Americans: Yeah but it didn't happen to me.
Empire to third world in 25 years.
The sad part is that no one will do anything about this and she'll be forgotten about in a week
It is up to us then to make sure she isn't forgotten!
This is the very definition of terrorism:
"Terrorism is the calculated use of violence to create fear and achieve political goals, often targeting civilians...."
Americans still aren't going to rise up though lol
No they won't. They are all talk and no show. Wimpiest of all.
If you were willing to die to fight fascism, you'd be in Ukraine right now. Fuck off with your armchair warrior bullshit.
Edit: woo I pissed off the tankies with this one
We are protesting here in US everyday to fight facism. Why should I fight for Ukraine again? We supported weapon delivery to ukraine. I have to take care of my country before I do to others. Need to put US in stable place else we all lose.
Just carrying gun and shooting around is not the definition of fighting unless that is all your learned in school. There are other ways to fight.
I might be arm chair warrior, may be I work in cyber security? May be I create drones? What do u know about me? Nothing.
They would have been in Ukraine years ago. The time for that has come and gone. Ukraine is now one of many theatres of the fascist campaign now.
I am willing to die to fight magats, absolutely. I was considering joining the ildu, I decided to applied to caf instead because they have plenty of noob volunteers already, they need weapons more then me right now.
Then maybe consider that, like you, some Americans are trying to resist in ways other than direct, deadly confrontation.
Ehhh, its been pretty pitiful from what I have seen. Certainly there are some exceptional usamericans who are out in the streets protesting, but on the average, the country is irredeemable. Fuck those people forever.
yeah fight fascism by joining the Azov Battalion founded by the famous anti-fascist Andriy Biletsky
Mask off moment. Stop being so obvious or putin will send you to the front lines.
Copying for when you edit
i'm sorry but a country that elects a neo-nazi into parliament or idolizes nazi-collaborators is not one that i would consider fighting for if i'm anti fascist.
russia isn't any better. but the ukraine v russia war is an independence war where one set of oligarchs wanted to break free from the subjugation from another set of oligarchs.
i won't edit anything i'll stand behind what i say
The country you talk about, I'm guessing its USA ? Because as an outsider, It looks worse on almost everything right now compared to Ukraine.
i wouldn't fight for the US either
but I'll bet you won't find a federally elected politician that says something this blatantly nazi
here in the US you have to use dog whistles
Anyone who's vaguely anti russian is construed as being a bedfellow of banderite. Friend of fascists or just a straight up nazi.
Nice recovery!
not sure if sarcastic 🤔
piss off putin minion
As evidenced by three people walking or jogging past and literally not doing anything. The dog walker paused for a bit but then continued. I guess it's the fear of them disappearing too that prevents them from doing anything.
For many years I was against punching nazis. It was time for debate. I am still against punching peaceful protestors.
But secret police deserve more than a punch.
Meanwhile Rubio is proudly bragging about revoking student visas entirely for pro-Palestinian speech. Marco Rubio is not the voice of reason in the white house, he's an enemy of the Constitution.
Maybe we need to start a fund to reward any bystanders that attempt to intervene in a safe manner. They could do things like ask for badge numbers, take videos, ask for the warrant, and just generally get in the way. Maybe stand infront of the vehicle that the person is put in to slow down the progress.
Maybe we need a app that will notify people that something is happening so they can flood the area even more with people who will stand in front of the vehicle.
Police have badges for a reason, if someone with a mask on says theyre police nobody should be surprised when they get shot in the face
MAGAstappo. Be a real shame if armed resistance required them to show ID instead of just moving in the shadows.
Where are all the "got to have guns to defend against a tyrannical government" crowd now ? ... Ho yeah they totally support this. US citizens are worse than Nazi's, they were warned and had a whole war to teach them but they still chose genocide and fascism.
By a tyrannical government, they meant a government that doesn't sufficiently abuse everyone but straight white men.
They chose greed and convenience along with hatred and power
Wtf I thought it was news overblown at first I can't fucking believe the US government is doing this in middle of the day, can't they Atleast try to disguise it as criminal activity?
But I thought all these guns were for fighting government tyranny??
The vast majority of 2A enthusiasts were never brave or intelligent enough to use it the way it was always intended. As is now evident.
So... What happens if there aren't cameras where the political abduction occurs? The government can just wait a few weeks then sell them to El Salvador and let their friends and family believe they are missing?
This is why we should end all federal policing. It's not in the constitution. You were never meant to interact with your federal government. The federal government was for regulating the states, interstate commerce, and common defense.
Umm, fuck no.
I lived in the south, the FBI were basically the only reason I didn't have to worry about some inbred redneck deputy getting hammered and having fun with a baseball bat for kicks.
We needed the feds to protect our rights, because according to the south, we had none.
But this shit is proof there's another side of the coin.
i'm still holding out for some federal agency or the joint chiefs to step in and stop this administration. that would be a hell of a lot easier than depending on the people to do it.
Military officer corp is easily the most non-political actors while the enlisted MAGA are diehards.
So, unfortunately, the air force officer corps has gone pretty hardcore maga, the republicans spent decades shifting recruitment and ROTC to southern evangelicals with great success.
One can argue that this is a common defence. Defence against those who criticise the government.
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The people in the US had the chance to vote for a MUCH lesser evil. And they chose to vote for fascism. People get the politics they deserve and with trump at least the leader is as rotten as the country at its core. I'm sure this poor lady does not deserve it. May maga folks experience some of the worst years of their lives for condoning racism, sexism, fascism.
Demasking them would clearly be the best measure for deterring them.
To the Confederates, this is a campaign video.
How can I help?
The exact thing they used to say China did!
Save this one people. Save the paper she wrote that they say supports hamas.
So they're revoking student visas without telling the students?
Makes me wonder if it would be a good idea to take down my "Hate has no home here" flag, that is prominently displayed in my yard.
We live in a very diverse neighborhood, and I'm happy to have this flag up. But I don't need any billy-jackoffs coming around causing a fuss, or worse.
This is the Orange Turd at work.
Terrifying
Land of the free aight
What is the Turkish government saying about this I wonder.
Nothing, they just furiously maturating
What is the coverage of this in traditional is like? I know they most likely will ignore it while talking about the leak but this is a blunt attack on democracy.
Just a hunch but these people don't move like cops... Not sure why I think that. Spidey senses. What if they're some kind of private contractors, not cops or military (though maybe ex), like a private "hit squad" since I have no better word for it
they're likely federal agents that are used to working behind desks
according to reuters 80% of ATF agents for example have been assigned immigration work
25% of DEA workload has been transferred to immigration
some portion of IRS agents as well are doing immigration
and then even some federal agencies people have never heard of that handles stuff like document fraud (visas, passports) are now participating in manhunts for illegals
it's essentially all hands on deck
Like when the Staatspolizei suddenly became all about jews all the time.
I know this not the place or time to be a wiseguy BUT the "Geheime Staatspolizei" was founded in 1933 and they were the rabbid dogs of the NSDAP from the beginning. They didnt need to become about jews all the time they were designed as that.
They were organized from the actual german police like the Schutzpolizei and the Politische Polizei, I meant that when they were reorganized they become pretty singularly focused.
Horrifying. They don't even know where she is.
Makes me think if they're going after citizens if this gets normalized. Although I'm not sure what they can do if you're a citizen, since they can't deport you, unless they make some sort of terrorist claim and send you to El Salvador maybe?
They can
Why can't they deport you? Does the jail in El Salvador care what the nationality is of the people the US is paying to hold and torture?
These definitely aren't cops or even anyone with any formal training.
I do have to wonder, in a country with the first and second amendment, why one applies to people physically in the USA and the other does not. Seems like a lawyer would have to talk bullshit for hours to justify that,
Jesus Titty Fucking Christ
Man fuck Chi... Oh... Lol
This comment section is foolish.
This has been going on since before I was born, I'm 31.
Protests are CONSTANTLY happening they haven't ended since the BLM protests.
Contemplating visiting the US? Watch this.
Ok then. Kick scream or fucking do something. There are two outcomes.
They arent police, in which case you just followed along random people that try to intimidate you
They are police. Oh well, atleast they're American police so it doesn't count if you hit them
They didn't have badges out at first and they didn't show any ID. This is absolutely a situation you could legally draw a gun and start shooting at people. Police should be in uniform and showing ID. This is how militias in "bad" countries abduct and kill people. There's no way to tell them from the police. This is not normal in a western democracy.
It shouldn't have been done, period
I get that, but it's like you are commenting on how a rapist was not efficient in his raping... not sure there is any value in "how" something that should not have taken place, actually took place
That's kind of a hollywood thing. It can certainly happen but an unsecured person in a van is a nightmare to deal with.
Kidnapping comes with the threat of violence if you resist. She committed no crime so this is kidnapping.
People who are arrested are either charged with a crime or are presenting an immediate and reasonable threat. None of these are the case here. This was absolutely a violation of her due process. Thats without even getting to the issue of her visa revocation.
Cops in most of those situations have probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. Not so here.
"Get in the van, there's candy" is also an explanation. But you probably shouldn't believe it when a masked individual is saying it and the van is unmarked.
You dropped this: /s
You consider this to be a legal arrest?