Journalist publishes every damning text from war plans leak
Summary
The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.
Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.
The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.
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The news outlet these fucktards accidentally leaked their detailed operational plan and timeline to...
... is still excersizing better OPSEC than the actual head of the CIA.
EDIT:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_2sODSpJo2A
Watch this clip of Mark Kelly with some pretty on point questions for Gabbard and Ratcliffe, listen to their responses, and go read through the full text chat.
Watch more of the hearings.
I think there's a pretty decent case Tulsi actually fucked up enough in her testimony that she actually did a perjury, Ratcliffe however, was both a bit more conciliatory and ever so slightly more honest, and also a bit better at just giving 'I don't recall' answers.
I have been in fucking EVE Online corporations with better OPSEC than these guys.
This would be hilarious if I didn't fucking live here.
Oh yeah absolutely.
I never partook in any of that myself, but yeah I've watched/listened to some hours of youtube videos doing their best to recount some of the more insane history of subterfuge, sabotage, getting rival clan members installed as spies, as CEOs and masters of coin in their enemy's corps, draining all their funds and liquidating an entire clan after a 3 year long deep undercover op with the spies regularly being on voicechats of some kind, and then just doing the deed and ghosting everyone ...
...fucking bonkers shit for a video game clans... but yeah, many of those kinds of stories show people with better understanding of spycraft and opsec than... the literal, actual, current heads of the CIA, DoD, etc.
absolute clown world.
i'm not even educated in opsec or sysadmin work and i have better fucking security lmao.
"I don't recall" = "I plead the fifth"
Exactly.
Gabbard tried to be more clever than she actually is.
Man, I miss old school Chappelle... Ever since he brought Elon Musk on stage I've just been hoping he'd go the fuck away.
Same. Half Baked is one of my favourite stoner movies, this shit has been so disappointing.
I don't understand. If they don't recall why can't they just open up their personal phone and check?
... So, the angle they are going with now is that this was a very serious offensive and nefarious act perpetrated against Mike Waltz, the guy who created the group chat.
M Waltz is saying that well hey maybe this piece of shit Goldberg guy (the journalist) hacked his way into the chat? Maybe it was an inside job, or an outside cyberattack, and somebody swapped out Goldberg's phone number with another one of my contacts, so that when I tried to add a legit person who should have been in that group chat, it tricked me and added Goldberg!
... Yeah. These idiots are unfortunately in charge of investigating themselves, and at least Mike Waltz seems to be saying 'no it is utterly impossible that I accidentally added the wrong guy to the chat, I was clearly the victim of some kind of hack!'
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJ2gxzPEzjU
Yes, Mike Waltz 'takes full responsibility'... by positing an inconsistent mess of possible cyberattacks/manipulation techniques that could have been used against him, absolutely no way he fat fingered a contact add, nope.
Did they leave out some high ranking general with the same name? In their frantic CYA narrative isn't there some key person missing from the chat, and if so why not name them?
I mean, you nailed it right there, if it was that, then they could just say who had the similar name.
... but that isn',t possible when everyone involved is a sentient piece of ratshit molded into the form of a human, that has absolutely no ability to ever admit any fault or take responsibility for anything, ever.
These people are all completely unqualified, sociopathic opportunists with moral fiber composed of fucking anti matter, they'd instantly explode if they ever attempted to flex those moral muscles and develop any actual principles.
I have, entirely seriously, known multiple meth/fentanyl addicts (in the process of detoxing) with better moral character, sense of responsibility for their actions, honesty, loyalty, and principles they strive to live by.
Turns out that the current administration was just a bunch of DUI hires.
When is the last time that a non-poor has ever gotten tried and convicted for perjury?
It is the silent threat to keep poor people honest in court while allowing rich people and lawyers to lie their hearts out and use it for publicity because "they wouldn't lie under oath"
https://daily.jstor.org/why-is-perjury-so-rarely-prosecuted/
So many people talking about the fact that this leaked, and not enough are talking about what leaked.
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji's over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that's a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process. But hey, they're not Americans, so they don't count.
idk why anybody is surprised, seeing how the republicans operate this should be obvious as fuck
No one should be surprised. We've seen who these people are time and time again. But we shouldn't be so desensitized to moral bankruptcy that we completely overlook such a disgusting disregard for human life.
idk what to tell you anymore, i don't care about human life lmao.
You all ruined it for me by being so fucking stupid. Like i'm sorry, but how is a satirist supposed to live in a climate where everybody is just fucking stupid. The answer, inevitably, is benevolent disregard for human life, because clearly nobody cares about it enough to do anything about it.
It's like the confirmation of Brett Kavenau when he threw a hissy fit about how he "likes beer"...
That in and of itself should have disqualified him. If someone isn't capable of being even-keeled and not throwing a temper tantrum, then they shouldn't hold the highest judicial office in the land...
That would have disqualified him from almost any normal job interview.
The dude cried and vowed retribution against one of the two parties in the US...and was still confirmed to the highest court in the country. Fucking wild.
Since when do American leaders care about “collateral damage” ?
Since when do Americans im general? They sure were all united when they were leveling my country
Americans do not all support wars.
Zero comfort while I stand in the rubble of my former home
When you claim to be a democracy, and you have two group, both see killing Palestinian and brown people is okay, and your 2/3 of the population still vote for them, your statement objectively false.
Are you suggesting that if a person votes for a given candidate then it means the person agrees with everything the candidate does?
So what should they vote for no one and stay home?
Ah yes, blame the victims, that's sure to solve the problem. I suppose I should also blame the people who live in the building that was dropped for boarding with a terrorist? I mean they can just choose to be somewhere else, right?
Fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdWlWUUYejc
The largest terrorist organisation in the world.
Most countries in America do care
As someone who was around for “We’ll put a boot in yer ass, it’s the American way” this does not surprise me in the slightest.
I can think of a few deaths worth celebrating
There are only a few handful for whom I'd pull the trigger myself, but quite a multitude more that I would celebrate their passing with glee.
I just think, especially when we're pulling the trigger ourselves, we should be sad, maybe disappointed, that it's come to that. Bad people are still people, and while I believe they throw away their right to life when they start indescriminately revoking it from others, I don't ever want to find myself happy to take life. I'll be happy later, in the better world that's been created.
They are so incredibly dishonorable it's appalling.
We're talking about the same guys funded by the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor. This doesn't surprise anyone. Everyone is expendable for the company's machine, they wouldn't mind targeting innocent people, let alone causing civilian casualties when targeting real terrorists.
I'm sorry, who with the what now?
Peter Thiel.
Correction: They dropped a building on a "terrorist" (read: brown person the US doesn't like).
There is a reason to attack him. I don't agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response. I just expect the world's most technological military to do a better job of not attacking innocent people in getting to him.
It's going to get a response, but that response is as immoral as the status quo it's trying to protect.
It's immoral on it's face because of how they're doing it is my point. There's certainly a political philosophy discussion to be had about the underlying international system and American system, but there's none to be had about throwing extra explosions around to "intimidate" a third country.
There is, and not having that discussion does nothing but help the imperial core maintain their facade of moral legitimacy even as they murder innocent people all over the world.
"If we discussed dropping a building on a terrorist we should also discuss bombing weddings, so let's stick to using proper communication channels and following proper protocol for records"
These dumbfucks have no empathy. They will tell you empathy is weakness. In reality empathy is a social defense mechanism. If we all have empathy for each other it limits the harm we do. What they're missing is not having it isn't some kind of advantage, historically we are the most savage to those without empathy. It causes the mob to turn their empathy off and give in to their worst impulses. They think they'll be the first ones in history to avoid that fate. They won't.
Look at what JD "couch fucker" Vance wrote. Regarding potentially delaying the strike. He didn't give any shits about the benefits or risks to lives, only the optics (oil prices going up), politics and his hatred for helping Europe.
Sure, clearing the shipping lanes is "good" but it's more helpful to Europe "gross" so that's a tick "con" colum.
Their "worst case scenarios" were all "it could look bad".
Sic semper tyrannis
The Atlantic putting a paywall on this when they got the texts for free from a government handout is peak America....
Good journalism is very expensive to produce. You got to pay for it somehow.
Exactly why I used to subscribe to the Washington Post until Bezos wiped his ass with it. I’ll have to look into subscribing to The Atlantic now.
Yeah I’m considering dumping NYT too. I heard Reuters was a better ‘investment’. Please someone tell me if that’s wrong. I don’t want to support Billionaires.
PBS and NPR are pretty decent places to put your subscription moneys
Hopefully they survive this administration.
Wired "has been killing it" during the ongoing soft coup, to quote my journalist wife, and we've replaced our WaPo subscription with that. We can never dump NYT just because of the recipes.
I have been The Atlantic subscriber for about 5 years now. I think it has pretty great writers on staff. Their physical subscription is pretty cheap too.
This was a gift given to the Atlantic, though. I guess you gotta milk it for what it’s worth.
I'm not disagreeing in a general sense, but it's funny to make that argument here when this info basically fell into the journalist's lap. Very little actual journalism went into making this story possible
JG got the texts for free but he's probably gonna need someone watching his 6 now. And I'm pretty sure a lawyer is billing for helping them figure out how to publish the details and still avoid getting trapped into anything illegal, like naming the CIA agent.
Nah, the guilty parties already told congress nothing the texts did not contain classified material, so releasing them should be fine. It's not like this administration would suddenly change its mind now, surely.
Turn JS off to "bypass" it
OP linked an archive link, and updated the post to have it.
But I clicked it before and had the same reaction as if I opened a box labeled "dead dove".
Government official work => no copyright?
https://archive.is/zYq8M
My favorite quote is the one where he says it could leak lol
"...If this leaks we look indecisive"
Try incompetent beyond reason. This clown world is funny if people weren't dying.
Also this:
Pete Hegseth, after broadly describing the big picture situation/rationale for the strike, that same block of text you pulled the 'we look indecisive' from:
... I don't even know what to say.
He said he would do all he can.
We know what his best is now.
Don't you just love all these merit based hires.
Of course... the main thing is how they look not what good they do. It's unforgiveable
Lmao Waltz saying he is going to try and figure out "how the heck he got into this room" and then the first text screenshot literally says "Michael Waltz added you to the group" is so goddamn hilarious to me.
Oh wow, proof it also has disappearing messages enabled.
I don't know the legality of the messages being able to disappear, but the fact it's enabled is a clear cut violation of the law.
For any other administration, this would be a catastrophe. For the Trump administration, it's Thursday.
Eh, they could have had a service forwarding the messages to a database running on one of the group's member's devices.
Yeah sure thing. The guy who has already been caught mishandling classified documents... The guy who literally ate the notes from a meeting he had with Putin so nobody would see them.
Right.
Holy crap that’s insane I had to look it up and yes apparently that happened. wtf there’s so much news I can’t keep up
And that's from last term when things were more chaotic, with less focused effort towards dismantling everything.
Lol. That would be uncharacteristic at this point. They need to show us the servers before I believe that
They can't. The server is in the basement of a friend's house (not a government employee) because they got a really good deal on it!
Buttery males?
Surely the server is in the magalago bathroom with the stolen classified documents?
And how likely do you think that is? Given the clown show that has gotten them to this point.
It wouldn't have required any of the main player's active effort. The supporting security establishment could have set up such a system.
Again, how likely do you think that is?
I'd give it a 20-30% likelihood. We shouldn't rule it out.
you would think they would then be using a government hosted platform, instead of signal, but i guess that makes too much sense.
Don't worry, given their apparent compliance to threat-model, it's most likely stored somewhere on an adversarial database. Compliance by idiocy.
Oh, yeah, these guys sat in front of the Senate yesterday and flatly lied about all of it. At the end, one of the Democrats said that it wouldn't be long before they had the transcripts, which would be compared to their testimony, analyzed for discrepancies, and legal options considered.
The MAGA Nazis aren't really worried, they know there is no possible way that HitlerPig, Big Booby Bondi, or the Nazi legislature will do anything about it, and even if they did, HitlerPig would just pardon them, but at least it's one more egregious national security lapse/lie that the Dems can beat them with forever.
IF the Dems ever show the guts to fight back.
If they get pardoned, they can no longer plead the 5th, so that should be fun!
But the judges won't jail them for ignoring them anyways.
This is some real old white guy, how did this get here i am not good with computer energy lmfao
Same vibe as that flat-earther in Behind the curve who ran this laser experiment that ended up proving the curvature of the earth and, upon seeing the evidence, went like "Huh, how about that, guess we gotta analyze the data some more to see what's going on."
Grandpa googles "google" to get to Google
The other thing I noticed up there is that it says "MAR added MAR". Not sure if those are two people with the same Signal/Contact name/intials, or how that happened (as a Signal user, best guess is group link but that is also would be in the log at the top)
So yesterday they lied to congress more often than they told the truth? So many "I don't recall" when in fact they could pull it up on their phone and know? Traitors to American families every one of them
Lying about sleeping with an intern - impeachment
Lying about sharing classified information on an insecure group chat - “he’s just a widdle guy 😢”
Especially bad when the whole "reason" for that impeachment was about investment fraud or something and only became about sex with intern after they couldn't prove anything else.
Whitewater real estate scandal. Kenneth Starr was investigating him for that and when they couldn’t find anything actionable, they switched to the perjury and sex.
I’m not a fan of a President using their power to have an intern blow them (I don’t think there’s meaningful consent there), but it doesn’t compare to raping multiple women, peeping on teenage girls at Miss Teen America, and making comments about how you’d fuck your daughter if that was an option. The aristocrats!
Stop taking away women's agency with this "meaningful consent" bullshit.
At the time I was in the Air Force, and a bunch of us were discussing this. Well over half the women at the table has the attitude of "Are you kidding? Of course, blowing the most powerful man in the world is hot as hell".
Monica was obviously into it and an adult.
-- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/02/26/monica-lewinsky-vanity-fair/375452002/
@[email protected] didn't take away Lewinski's agency.
And that’s what seals the deal for me. If Clinton gave a shit about Lewinsky, he would have at least tried to protect her somewhat in the fallout. He had fun, she had consequences.
People on the left treated her like shit - I guess it is further evidence that Bill Maher has always been awful. She got played on manipulated on both sides. Her reputation was trashed and she had a hard time finding work after - it destroyed her career and future.
This was a boss that took advantage of his power and authority to get a couple loads out, and then disposed of the person once they became our nation’s designated bearer of the scarlet letter.
I had sex with men who were much older than me when I was in my early twenties. The difference was that they weren’t my boss.
Dan Savage I think had something about “campground rules” too - if you are going to have sexual relations with a legal consenting adult you are significantly older than, it’s on you to use your greater experience to leave that partner better than you found them.
Are you a woman? How the fuck do you meaningfully say no to sex with the President?
Go fuck yourself with that “taking away women’s agency” bullshit. Bosses don’t get to sleep with employees. Teachers don’t get to sleep with students.
Monica got treated like shit for decade. That’s not “hot as hell” unless you’re a creepy misogynist that gets off on women being public humiliated.
I fucking hate this shit so much.
So you don't recall a lot, huh? So clearly you're not fit for your position, good luck finding a new job tho.
I am in lots of group chats and don’t read every one of them to completion. So not all members of the chat knowing or remembering what happened is to be expected.
Yeah, but the second something juicy happens, we all scroll back and get caught up pretty quickly.
You are in group chats at this level? Because, I'm sure as fuck is not. And if I was, I'd read every message.
Well, we all knew they would be damning as fuck and they are damning as fuck.
How they goaded him into releasing those damning as fuck texts instead of just saying "sorry, we fucked up" is beyond me but here we find ourselves.
Feel like they're gonna throw Hegseth under the bus now.
Remember "covfefe?"
If they admit they fucked up, they look "weak" to their base, which expects "strong men." Normal human traits like empathy and humility are anathema to these creeps.
It has been rebranded by public demand as the SwastiKKKar.
That would just break the Swastitruck, no?
Jesus Christ, they're just so fucking stupid. This is the kind of thing that would see employees of a major corporation fired in an instant, but I just know that these careless chucklefucks are going to be in my news feed for a while yet, possibly another four years so long as they keep currying the favour of Trump. This shit is pathetic, the rest of the world is embarrassed on behalf of American citizens for having to deal with this incompetence.
You make a good point. These traitors want to privatize the entire government, but no private sector company would accept the sort of behavior that is SOP for these MAGA Morons. None of them would survive their probabtionary period. That's why they're all in MAGA government, where competency is irrelevant.
Le epic troll of killing a bunch of people
They don't feel anything, because they're fucking dead. Trump's lackies' opsec changes nothing about these people being dead.
Why only four years? What happens after then?
HitlerPig makes history with a third term.
Presumably, another candidate is elected to office. If not, it's a coup, and he continues as "President For Life" like other dictators.
Bold of you to assume there will be more elections
Oh, there will be “elections”, just like how Russia has “elections”.
Hope springs eternal, and all that.
So thankful we avoided GeNoCiDe JoE!
This is way better! …but then again, the world is only black or white… so maybe not. I guess the internet wanted this and so here we are.
Wasn't it Obama that normalized the indiscriminate use of drone strikes in civilian areas without congressional approval?
Democrats are just more competent about their use of military action.
Killed an underage American boy in the very same country that is getting bombed again.
The problem is that republicans and democrats are still all american.
yeah thank god all those left leaning voters didn't vote for kamala, we would be in so much worse of a position now.
This trope if pathetic, only Americans think this way. You need an actual opposition party then, not neoliberalism. Because fascism wins either with your way of thinking.
No politician offering universal healthcare, affordable housing, paid time off, better wages, resistance against genocide, etc. and etc. And youre mad at the voters? You see how fucked up that is?
Blaming others and voters will keep making your situation worse and worse, until they come after you as well. You could instead use your energy to protest in various ways or to support or help to challenge and create new parties or structures.
Keep dogging on your own citizens and youre gonna be next. Literally the playbook of Nazis. "First they came for..."
The Trump administration has a lot of catching up to do if they want to get even remotely close to the number of casualties and the staggering destruction caused by Genocide Joe.
covid much?
Covid is on the Trump administration now?
Fucking YES.
It’s very telling of your character that you can’t have a conversation with someone who holds a different opinion without resorting to character attacks. I suggest you dig inwards to figure out why.
I also suggest you respect the community rules, as your message clearly violates the third one.
oh you’ve really got me pegged. well done.
Sigh. Harris would be more competently bombing people in Yemen, so I'm happy with Trump in charge when it comes to this.
The truth gets old, got it.
they most certainly influenced the election, whether or not they were responsible or not is a bit more complicated to answer.
Whether or not they should've voted is the simplest possible answer you could give. The answer was yes, and they didn't.
If they voted, they would've changed the outcome. Lol
That's literally cause and effect my dude, are you refuting fundamental natural phenomena instead of just admitting you made a mistake?
i mean i literally made that argument in my comment, but please, keep coping.
i know, i spent so long making it, please respond, i sent you pictures of my toe beans. ._.
Yes, you hold some of this blood in your hands. Complaining won't absolve you of it. Thank you for your disservice, what are you doing to help correct it?
Cool, so your criticism is worth nothing
Most people over here have been beaten down almost completely by a sick capitalist culture. The group who is "fighting for who's the most righteous" (<- a phrase I love, for what that's worth) is the same group fucking most of us.
The prevalent message is what counts.
Kinda like saying a handful of idiots pushed a narrative about Hillary’s server. More idiots bought that line but it was started by a small group.
The vote was within 2M. Yes, they changed the outcome.
Do you understand how gerrymandering works? It doesn't apply directly to Presidential elections.
Why not both? It’s entirely possible to push for progressive policies while also acknowledging the role cultural influence and the internet holds…
Easier that being an asshole really.
It's this rhetoric that plays perfectly into the class divide that the corporate asshats want everyone to fall for. "It's your fault for not voting for the other corporate shill party!" Disregarding the fact that the main difference is one party is just mask off, and the other is mask on fascist. As many people rightly point out, the dems are controlled opposition. If they weren't there would literally have been much more fight and pushback from them for the four years before Trump 2.0 (especially since they knew it was coming faaar in advance) rather then the milquetoast response we got from them, this was made quite obvious by the dems moving right in many policies and stumping with Cheney of all people. If these people really gave a shit about appealing to their constituents, they would've listened to the damn voters. This is all beside the point as modern American voting IS NOT determined by the voting public, but much more powerful interests. If you really believed your vote was effecting something in this, or any other election in the past 20+ years, I have a bridge to sell you in the Sahara.
Fox News my summer child and people like you…
This is beyond bat shit nutz. We gotta throw these idiots in prison NOW. There’s so much more in those texts and 3 times more people involved. Also these dumb fucks lied under oath yesterday! Can’t be trusted, way under qualified and they’re territorial to this country. What happened to “common sense”? Always fucking Opposite Day with these clowns. Throw them in prison!
Ideally, yes, you're right. But... gestures broadly at United States judiciary it doesn't seem likely, unfortunately.
Given that these are military-related crimes, would it not be the courts-martial that should be arresting and prosecuting them rather than the regular judiciary? I'm not American and I'm not sure how it works over there, but I did watch "A Few Good Men"
Not American either, but it shouldn't be court martial offenses given that they're not military officers, but civilians filling politically appointed positions. Court martial trials are for servicemembers.
Time to start bringing the fight to them. https://www.mobilize.us/ Online voice doesn’t go as far. Start protesting.
Why do y'all want the people failing at being evil to be replaced with people who will competently be evil?
Why do you want the people DOING EVIL to NOT BE PUNISHED?
Because they'll be replaced by more competent evil people.
Or, perhaps, they won't. And perhaps, evil should be punished.
I doubt Trump will be able to find someone less qualified than Hegseth or Micheal "added a journalist to my top secret chat" Walz.
Evil should be punished only when punishing it will not result in greater evil. Remember how the allies refused to assassinate Hitler?
You have a point. I've been wondering just how senate Democrats could possibly approve all these wildly incompetent boobs to these powerful positions. Maybe they want the worst people possible in these positions so that this administration implodes on itself.
But that could be giving them too much credit. It would mean they weren't entirely spineless...
Give them a trial first. And keep them in jail without bail until we get to their case.
For the Atlantic article https://archive.is/2025.03.26-131842/https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/signal-group-chat-attack-plans-hegseth-goldberg/682176/
"We are currently clean on OPSEC" - man leaking information on a non-official channel while cosplaying as a military leader.
My daughter's daycare is more stringent on OPSEC for christ's sake.
It's like an email with a "If you're not the intended recipient please don't read and dispose of this message" footer levels of OPSEC.
Team Stupid
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What does Ohio have to do with this?
Not anymore you ain't
If they were using Signal on personal phones, an unofficial channel on unofficial devices, they already weren't, even before they accidentally included a journalist in the chat.
Oh what the future holds
And don't forget, one of those phones was in Moscow!
One guy on the call was actually in RUSSIA at the moment of the text. What are the odds that Russia was monitoring the phone of a visiting American governmental figure?
By all accounts, Signal's encryption is robust, so they'd need spyware on the device to monitor the contents of the chat, or even to see who else was in the chat. Since these people were using their own personal devices and not government devices, there's a higher chance that Russia or China or some other power could have put spyware on their device. So that is a major lapse in security, and there's a chance it could have been spied on. But the person being physically in Russia shouldn't make it any easier for the Russian government to spy on the chat itself.
Clearly, they never were.
The US military got so lucky here.
They're lucky that the incompetence was exposed so early in the administration. Signal isn't allowed on government phones, apparently, so this was all done with personal devices. We've already seen how many people have compromised phones with something like Pegasus installed. This is why secure government phones exist in the first place. Who knows how long some foreign spy agency might have been reading the group chat if they hadn't done such a stupid leak.
They're lucky that the guy accidentally included in the group chat was a responsible journalist, not some rando who'd stay in the group chat and just keep leaking this stuff, or someone who might have chosen to sell access to China or North Korea or something.
They're lucky that the target was Houthi rebels, and not a near-peer nation state. Even with hours of advance warning, the Houthis probably wouldn't have been able to shoot down F-18s. But 3+ hours is plenty of time for a more advanced enemy to set up an ambush.
Can you imagine how it feels to be one of the F-18 pilots reading this article, knowing how close you could have come to getting killed?
Trump has always carried a personal phone, which he has always refused to allow intelligence agencies to sweep for spyware. Every bad actor in the world knows what he says the instant he says it.
I wouldn't be surprised of the NSA or a similar agency controls key cell "towers" near the White House and other places he often goes, Mar A Lago, etc. Even in normal times, that's just good practice, but with Trump it might allow them to do some filtering or drop data strategically.
Yeah, except now the NSA is being run by a MAGA loyalist, so they probably haven't figured that out yet. Besides, they're all Russian operatives, they're probably making it easier for the Commies to listen in.
The White House has been buggier than a tenement since the last HitlerPig administration.
Pretty well contradicts the testimony of Gabbard about no specifics
Gabbard testified that she couldnt recall if weapons systems (F-18s, Strike Drones) were mentioned, and she also testified that targets werent identified, yet the transcript reveals thatbthe target was a specific person, not a group or encampment.
She either lied/ covered up, or is so incompetent she didn't understand what a weapons system is or what constitutes a target. Or both.
My money is on both.
The texts really highlight how much more dangerous Vance would be
He's Yale educated and put with his wife to become a "power couple" by the freaking "Tiger Mom" who's a Yale professor who gets lots of up and coming conservatives clerkships up to even the SC. Including Usha Vance with multiple now SC justices.
He's not some hillbilly bumpkin, he's incredibly dangerous, like the HW Bush to Reagan.
That's why I hate people always focusing on trump. trump is the distraction just like Reagan, both god awful humans aware of what they're doing, but not the ones really calling the shots, and the most replaceable of all the pieces.
Would people do what Vance told them to do though?
He's a couch fucker, but he's undeniably got more charisma than HW, and HW still beat Dukakis...
History rhymes bro
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election
Which is easy when the last names never change I guess.
My point being, the Vance's are going to potentially be around another 30-40 years.
It took Biden 40 years to be VP, and a decade more to be president.
It does remain to be seen if Trump's cult of personality will carry on after him. Will be interesting to see how all these sycophants will shake out when it happens. I'm not sure Vance will come out on top.
Exactly like with HW...
Or if you want to get away from Republicans: the Vances and the Clintons share an insane amount of pararells.
JD is no Bill as far as charisma, but they have similar backgrounds and married insanely smart women with very conservative economic beliefs very quickly after meeting them at Yale Law School then immediately getting into politics using their wives political connections as much as their own.
Like I said, history rhymes.
People need to stop being so shortsighted, or the wealthy are gonna keep winning off the same proven playbook.
They're all set to "third way" the Republican party and provide an alternative to trumpism when it fails and have the billionaire money behind them to try and fight a progressive in 28.
Do people honestly not see it coming?
I mean, Berlusconi's populism morphed into Salvini's own spin, but such a development doesn't translate well into American politics
So if Vance takes over, will you then have a ottoman empire?
A one-term president who may have been much smarter than his predecessor but lacked the charisma and wasn't able to get much done as a result.
JD Vance is much smarter, but there's only one god emperor in this cult. If Trump died, the GOP would suddenly lack a focal point and would go back to infighting and chaos.
You have zero idea about either of them...
But are very proud of your opinion it seems
They dropped the guy’s girlfriend’s apartment building on him to kill him.
Hope it was a townhouse and not a tower.
The fucking disregard for human life.
Collateral damage matters to those in power insofar as the victims are popular with the voting public.
And when you can limit access to voting, gerrymander, and run illegal lotteries to skew the vote, well… then the voters don’t matter either.
oops military go vroom
53 dead, not a townhouse.
Yeah. Expected nothing less from the pro-life party.
Maybe don't look up distinctive architecture of Sana'a
Maybe don't google architecture of Sana'a
They waited till he entered his girlfriends apartment building?... seems on point for the military. How many people died? I think someone said 53? And was that guy the only target? So many deaths for one dickhead...
Isn't that a war crime? No wonder so many people hate the US.
Good thing the US doesn't recognize the authority of the International Criminal Court, so there's no risk of them having to face consequences for their war crimes.
They even have a law that makes it illegal to cooperate with the ICC in bringing US personnel to justice, and that allows the president to use any force necessary to prevent it from happening.
So strange that no one is talking about this aspect of it.
Like I'm no war expert (obviously neither are they), but wouldn't it cause far fewer causalities, and be far cheaper and easier, to just hide in the bushes and shoot the guy when he comes out? Since they know exactly where he is?
1 death vs 53, 1 bullet vs whatever TF it takes to level a building?
I think you meant attack expert, no war plan information was shared...
/s
You're going to need a team of people, fly them in and out and make sure they get back home alive or it might hurt the president's polls. It might be cheaper but it's much riskier. Nobody in the US cares about those 52 other people so that doesn't really matter to them.
I'm surprised they didn't use drones.
Why kill one when you can kill a bunch. Rack it up to collateral damage then go have a beer at the bar. Maybe leak some more texts before your Telsa test drive.
See this as further proof they do not value human lives.
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And their praying for the killers of so many innocent.
More risk to the US personnel or assets, and it would be a diplomatic and domestic incident if it came out that US troops or assets were operating in Yemen. It's much safer to bomb them from a plane.
Also there's the terror aspect where the US government presumably wants to cause chaos and fear explicitly to make continuing the blockade less appealing to both the Houthis and the people of Yemen.
Not sure about legality, and not that the US military care, but confirming someone id, and that he is visiting a gf or family member, then bombing the house, sound like a war crime.
They will pay no penalties for this. Trump deserves to be hanged for treason but that hasn't happened yet.
It's okay when the US does it.
I'm sure USians would be perfectly normal and react calmly and rationally if a foreign power killed 50 innocent people while assassinating a target on US soil.
Israel, Russia and now the US just joined the club!
We actually have munitions that don't blow up too. We could literally have killed just him. This isn't 20 years ago anymore.
It’s so wild that they are very demanding of touchpoints up front but totally clueless about everything throughout the chat…
Whatever... Exactly zero consequences...
Nonono this time they really got him. He's truly fucked now. He's getting slammed over this. America every day for 8 years now.
Ten Bezos Bux says nothing will come of this.
Trump has already written it off saying “Waltz learned his lesson.”
So now we get to see if anyone is actually willing to stand up to Trump.
Why not hire someone who isn’t learning their lessons as they go? You know, someone with experience?
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pretty sure they’ve all been doge’d
Do you want something to come out of this? I personally don't want Trump (or any other US president) having an efficient war machine.
GO FULL WAR THUNDER GO
That's the best part!
Trump: that's okay none of it was classified (is clearly classified)
The Atlantic: bet
Trump:
I love how the Atlantic called around to the various government offices who should care about this stuff: "Hey, are you sure there's nothing classified in here? If this is too sensitive to print, just tell us and we won't print it." This has been a study in covering your ass and making sure the reporter doesn't become the story, as much as the administration would love for it to.
It really does show how stupid this country is about waving "National Security" for any matter that would make the administration look bad.
This is becoming a theme stretching back multiple administrations. The people at the top either don't understand IT acceptable use policies, cybersecurity controls, classification divisions of systems, records retention policies, etc; or they are intentionally ignoring them. And for bonus points, everyone at this level is an espionage target.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_group_chat_leak
They're ignoring them. Acceptable use policies are annoying and they're too powerful to follow the rules.
It's quantifiable and expected threat by a known entity, versus nebulous threat by a unknown entity.
The records will be scrutinized. The FoIA requests will happen. The hack of their private infrastructure might not ever happen, and even if does, the foreign actors are not necessarily going to leak the records back to the US constituents: the real perceived threat.
They'll gladly risk operational security for less paper trail. Every. Fucking. Time.
Whiskeyleaks going absolutely ham over here lmfao
Whiskey leaks is a hilar6name for this snafu. God I hate this timeline so much.
I was expecting truly stupendous levels of stupidity, and my expectations continue to be blown the fuck away on a more or less daily basis.
While actively leaking information lmao
They shouldn't be doing any of that on Signal anyway.
Over/under on when the journalist is going to fall out a window?
Over/under for civil war by July forth?
No chance. The populace doesn't yet have the balls. Until they personally are going hungry or watching their families die, nothing will change.
Proof? History.
the only thing that could initiate a premature civil war would be fucking with states rights to the point that a state declares secession.
Assuming the federal doesn't just grant it, but that would also have other significant problems as well.
If there's one thing that "both sides" agree on, it's that it's ok to murder people in Yemen. Just don't mess up the genociding with poor OpSec, because that's a problem. smh.
These people won't get in trouble because they're serving fascism. It doesn't matter if they leak their wacko plans because they're attacking impoverished non-white people on the other side of the planet.
Are your smh transmissions being downplayed? You need the all new:
compliments of: https://sh.itjust.works/post/35066328
I'd be afraid of being arrested for treason even though Trump's people claim it wasn't classified
Who CARES? They will LIVE and LEARN! Unlike HER EMAILS!
What about "Fast And Furious?"
The take there was that the President is personally responsible for any action taken by any subordinate.
What happened with her emails? HRC was prosecuted or something? Or did they just do nothing then too?
The state almost never punishes itself.
Turns out she was innocent. She didn't follow the protocol for classified documents. However the documents were not classified until after they were sent. She didn't break the law.
It didn't stop them though. Something must've been in those documents because they got buried in bureaucracy in following lawsuits.
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But I thought the defense secretary said it didn't happen! It's a smear job!
That thumbnail makes Trump look like Gary Busey with his mouth closed. Although, I'm sure that would be an insult to Gary.
Why do people even fight for these clowns?
I am so glad i was wrong. Props for releasing the info.
Props for admitting that. This world (and the current white house) could use some of that. It's refreshing.
Honestly I'm enjoying overshooting the cynicism because now when I'm wrong it's almost like it's something good. It's ok to be wrong, it's just poor form to be salty about it.
Didn't the original article say it mentioned a CIA operative?
It is mentioned in the text, but I don't see anything redacted in the screenshots either.
Edit: It could be in the very first message, it's not clear if there is text between the first and second screenshot.
OK extremely explosive texts sent via signal, a no go because of security concerns and people screaming. Yeah wtf how much have you been upside down? American ISP's and important infrastructure has been completely hacked with the Chinese for a long time (thus certainly also forwarding to Russia) and Trump has ended all attempts against what companies directly and lets the attackers continue peacefully in. Not a no go? No uprising? So if Russia and China can secretly monitor all traffic in America (so that end devices can also be infected and messages can be attacked directly even before anything is encrypted) is that absolutely ok...?
Dafuq wtf
schizo comment
https://lemm.ee/comment/19198639
Dont know why deeple crypted that translation in non sense . anyway better as sending plaintext like some Rusmericaner. ;)
oh, if it's translated that would explain it lmao.
He looks really special in that pic.
The interesting part of publishing all the texts is it only serves Trump's plans. To tear America away from Europe and force America to find new global relationships. Interesting times we are living in.
There is the outside possibility that the journalist was added on purpose
"Won't look good if this leaks and we don't bomb them" is literally in the leaked chats. Journalist was added on purpose imo.
I've had this thought in the back of my mind since learning about this. How does one accidentally add someone to a group chat?
Why would an unfriendly journalist be in your (and everyone elsew) phone only as initials?
I honestly have 0 ideas as to why, but it's just too stupid of an action to not be on purpose. I'm sure we'll find out one day. These people aren't very confidential and will probably blab about it on a talk show down the road.
We are four years out from a book deal.
Dude literally looks like the bad guy's top henchman that dies super easily after meeting the main character.
https://archive.is/zYq8M
Oh Lordy.
Lock him up!
Good. Should have done that to begin with.