Yeah but the thing about being British is the local language is English. So I don't need subtitles to watch John Wick.
Usually subtitles are only for the benefit of people who are deaf who obviously aren't very large percentage of the population so they get a little plexiglass thing so everyone else doesn't have to look at pointless subtitles.
Yeah no. So much dialogue is unclear in movies. I started using subs when I had kids because they’re loud and discovered so many lines in movies I’ve seen many times but had never understood before. Now we watch everything with subs even if kids aren’t present.
I'm also a native English speaker and I tend to disagree. I often find it hard to understand what the actors are saying due to poor sound quality and/or mixing. The explosions are too loud, the speech is too soft and I find myself turning on subtitles and playing around with the volume when watching movies at home.
Very much not common everywhere. Where I live, if you want subtitles, you need to find a cinema that has a showing with subtitles. Usually that’s also paired with the non dubbed original audio.
A personal subtitle screen like those translucent mirrors you‘re describing sounds like a great solution though. I don’t really like subtitles unless I’m watching in a language I don’t understand very well but I know a lot of people who prefer having them on regardless.
Or how they used to do it in the old days: pay a dozen or so soot-smudged orphan kids to dart back and forth throughout the performance with the script printed on signs, keeping time with the action on the stage. Might lose a few to milk-leg or dropsy but these were the mud times so at least they're not dodging industrial machinery through a cloud of mercury and asbestos.
Picks from a list of films with similar runtimes and jumps you in at the same point from the beginning. Now you're 20 mins into sharknado 4, have no idea what's supposed to have happened. Doesn't matter. It's sharks in a tornado it's not too hard to follow.
For some time I was watching football streams in a discord server, and eventually the server got a firm message from the league (which was nice compared to just getting shut down).
It was really fun to live chat with everyone while everyone had the same stream with the same delay, in a weird way. It was goofier than a “serious” match night with the boys but on a weeknight alone it was great. It’s not the same to live chat with everyone on different streams, different delays, different folks have their streams drop at different times etc
Especially when the team you follow are legendarily inconsistent and the atmosphere around them is characterized by an implacable vibes roller coaster.
Honestly if it keeps the brainrot addicts who can’t sit through a movie without scrolling through Minecraft parkour videos in one place so I can go and watch them without bright screens in thr dark microwaving my eyeballs, I’m all for it.
My wife and I used to go to movie theaters quite often and screens have hardly been an issue. Talking and smells have been way further up the list of common annoyances.
Biggest problem I could see with this as a business idea is that IP owners might be hesitant to have their movies shown in places where everyone is expected to have a recording device out.
Seems like the kind of thing where enthusiasm/attendance might fall off sharply with the novelty of the thing. Of course you could just transition it back into a regular cinema if that happened.
Yea, why would I drive to a theater, pay for parking, pay for tickets, pay for concessions, and no one is fully paying attention to the film?
I might as well stay comfy at home, stream on discord for free, eat my already paid for food, and save a shit ton of money without becoming overstimulated by strangers.
You’re right which is why I gravitated toward Alamo Drafthouse which makes some attempt to crack down on phone use or excessive disruption during a movie. But, ticket and concession prices on top of parking are becoming more of a luxury each day.
That's for regular movies, they have lots of special events with different rules. But if you use your phone during a regular movie, Ann Richards is going to pump your guts full of lead
You can sort of emulate this behavior using a VR headset and using that Big screen app that puts you in a virtual theatre with others and people can talk and throw popcorn at the screen etc. You can find all sorts of movies playing on it that you can randomly join
Baby Shark needs to be playing in the background. It's always playing on one of the many speakers, but which speaker it is - and what volume - changes every couple of seconds.
There's a separate twitch stream watching these people and they vote on that every time the song plays. Max volume on all speakers if the stream is dead.
It's all fun and games until someone gets the rest of the theatre to think of The Game. That's why this isn't a thing in person, the chances of shitpost-related violence is too high.
Personally, I would like a Japanese karoke-style room system for the theater. Sit back, relax, and watch the video in peace. Order snacks and drinks for delivery, and maybe snuggle up with your partner. No children, just you and a time away from life.
There are basically things that allow this online where you're all watching a movie together with both text and audio chat.
I actually kinda wanna watch Rocky Horror Picture Show in VR like that, but only if everyone watching does all the audience participation shit that makes that movie fun.
Yeah I think this is a nice idea, this way all the assholes and immature idiots get contained to a few screens leaving the other screens for adults who actually want to see the movie. A lot of people have the attention span of a toddler and think movies are some kind of social experience where you can have a chat with others or constantly get up or pull your phone out and be disruptive in many ways, putting such people together will not annoy them, the movie can play in the background while they socialize or whatever and the theatre still makes their money.
When I watched Avengers Infinity War and Endgame in the cinema on launch day, the audience was very reactive. There was cheering, applause, laughter, etc.
Was a great experience you rarely get in this extent, elsewhere. Every one in those theatre rooms was a big enough fan though, to go see the non dubbed version in a non English speaking country on launch day.
Stuff like that is great and ads to the cinema experience. However, I very much believe the „brainrotification“ of cinema, as described by oop, would infinitely detract from the experience for everyone but the most late stage adhd brainrot gen z and gen alpha ppl. I would not go to a cinema like that.
I feel like these kinds of movies are meant to be experienced in theatre's with others, it adds to the experience when everyone is openly reacting to the scenes. But I sure as shit don't want any of this behavior for more serious movies, so there's a time and a place for everything.
Yes absolutely. In a serious film that‘d be very much out of place. But also, actually serious films usually don’t have „epic“ twists and encourage cheering on the protagonist. And I can absolutely excuse an audibly sobbing seat neighbour, if the film was sufficiently impactful or laughter if I’m watching a comedy. Which all does happen. Unless either director or audience were utterly tone deaf, most movies make the audience react in a way that’s appropriate for the kind of film it is.
Here in western europe, such behaviour would be VERY frowned upon. You go to the theater to see the movie on a big screen with good sound. And you shut the hell up from the moment the lights go out. You don't talk, you don't shout, you don't applaud. Laughing and crying are socially acceptable if not too loud. If you want to talk, go to a bar. If you want to talk during a movie, buy your own projector. Want to scroll on your phone? Go to the bathroom. But in the theater, you sit down and shut the hell up. At least here, in quiet and peace-loving (and slightly boring) western europe :)
Theater where I used to live in Rhode Island in 2012 was $2 a ticket. Thursday’s were half off.
They played stuff that was out of theaters but not yet on streaming, but it was basically a LCD projector in a room with a few speakers.
They didn’t give a FUCK what you did in that room when the movie was running.
All my knowledge about Rhode Island comes from Family Guy so I think I'm more than qualified to say what a classic Rhode Island thing
Every time I read Rhode Island the song starts playing in my head
There used to be one of those in Irvine, CA when I was younger. It was like $4 and in the same way, they played off chart movies, and it got rowdy.
Movie theaters suck. They're expensive as fuck, loud parts shake the room, quiet parts are silent, no control over subtitles.
Really most theaters I know you can rent a little plexiglass thing which gives you subtitles from a rear projector.
What the fuck?
Most theaters I know simply put the subtitles in the local language in EVERY movie.
This doesn't happen in native English speaking countries (when the movie language is English, which it is 99.999% of the time).
Yeah but the thing about being British is the local language is English. So I don't need subtitles to watch John Wick.
Usually subtitles are only for the benefit of people who are deaf who obviously aren't very large percentage of the population so they get a little plexiglass thing so everyone else doesn't have to look at pointless subtitles.
Yeah no. So much dialogue is unclear in movies. I started using subs when I had kids because they’re loud and discovered so many lines in movies I’ve seen many times but had never understood before. Now we watch everything with subs even if kids aren’t present.
I'm also a native English speaker and I tend to disagree. I often find it hard to understand what the actors are saying due to poor sound quality and/or mixing. The explosions are too loud, the speech is too soft and I find myself turning on subtitles and playing around with the volume when watching movies at home.
I have working ears and I always watch media with subtitles. Don't pretend to speak for me.
Good for you?
I have nothing against people watching with subtitles if they want to watch with subtitles. When did you get that idea?
Stephen Fry talks about turning on the subtitles
Must be a Europe thing. I’ve been to a plethora of movie theaters and never came across this. They just have designated Closed Caption screenings.
I've never seen anything like it in Europe, where I live they even show the subs in 2 languages at the same time. It's horrible.
It certainly thing in the UK I have no idea what other countries do. I've never watched movies in other countries unsurprisingly.
Very much not common everywhere. Where I live, if you want subtitles, you need to find a cinema that has a showing with subtitles. Usually that’s also paired with the non dubbed original audio.
A personal subtitle screen like those translucent mirrors you‘re describing sounds like a great solution though. I don’t really like subtitles unless I’m watching in a language I don’t understand very well but I know a lot of people who prefer having them on regardless.
One could do it like in an opera house, where the subtitles are shown on a separate screen above or below the stage
Or how they used to do it in the old days: pay a dozen or so soot-smudged orphan kids to dart back and forth throughout the performance with the script printed on signs, keeping time with the action on the stage. Might lose a few to milk-leg or dropsy but these were the mud times so at least they're not dodging industrial machinery through a cloud of mercury and asbestos.
Thirty seconds before some troll starts commentary about politics, women, and/or minorities on such a chat.
Fifty seconds before fistfights.
And the trolling is a whole lot harder to ignore when the loud guys in white bed sheets are literally in the theater with you.
Harder to be an asshole when there's a pretty short list of suspects that could be doing it, depending on the showtime
I've been to Conferences have done this. Presenter, with a live chat behind them.
When you buy a ticket, you get an account and access into the conf site and chat portal. And Dickheads are quickly identified and reprimanded.
Those tickets cost a lot more than a movie ticket
Any coward who uses Twitter in the year 2024 is a traitor and a collaborator.
Oh no the date formatting! I can't tell if this is the 24th of August 2024 or 2024 on August 24th! What am I to do!?
At least we know it’s august
And they actually change the film several times to see if anyone notices.
Let chat vote if the movie is boring and an algorithm picks the next one
Picks from a list of films with similar runtimes and jumps you in at the same point from the beginning. Now you're 20 mins into sharknado 4, have no idea what's supposed to have happened. Doesn't matter. It's sharks in a tornado it's not too hard to follow.
For some time I was watching football streams in a discord server, and eventually the server got a firm message from the league (which was nice compared to just getting shut down).
It was really fun to live chat with everyone while everyone had the same stream with the same delay, in a weird way. It was goofier than a “serious” match night with the boys but on a weeknight alone it was great. It’s not the same to live chat with everyone on different streams, different delays, different folks have their streams drop at different times etc
Especially when the team you follow are legendarily inconsistent and the atmosphere around them is characterized by an implacable vibes roller coaster.
Honestly if it keeps the brainrot addicts who can’t sit through a movie without scrolling through Minecraft parkour videos in one place so I can go and watch them without bright screens in thr dark microwaving my eyeballs, I’m all for it.
My wife and I used to go to movie theaters quite often and screens have hardly been an issue. Talking and smells have been way further up the list of common annoyances.
That's called Rumble. You can do it from the comfort of your own home.
Sounds like an interesting business idea. It could seriously pull a lot of younger audience without putting a lot of effort into anything.
Biggest problem I could see with this as a business idea is that IP owners might be hesitant to have their movies shown in places where everyone is expected to have a recording device out.
Otherwise it seems like an actually great idea.
Seems like the kind of thing where enthusiasm/attendance might fall off sharply with the novelty of the thing. Of course you could just transition it back into a regular cinema if that happened.
Make it a place where teenagers can get away from their parents for little to no money
you could just stream a movie on a discord voice channel
Yea, why would I drive to a theater, pay for parking, pay for tickets, pay for concessions, and no one is fully paying attention to the film?
I might as well stay comfy at home, stream on discord for free, eat my already paid for food, and save a shit ton of money without becoming overstimulated by strangers.
People for some reason already do this. The suggestion is to segregate them so those of us who enjoy the movie theater experience can do so.
You’re right which is why I gravitated toward Alamo Drafthouse which makes some attempt to crack down on phone use or excessive disruption during a movie. But, ticket and concession prices on top of parking are becoming more of a luxury each day.
There's even a sub/channel/mag right here on Lemmy that does this. People vote on each week's movie and then watch it together. Pretty fun.
Minus any Twitch involvement, there have been events at Alamo Drafthouse like this for years
Yea, except they don’t tolerate one being on their phone.
That's for regular movies, they have lots of special events with different rules. But if you use your phone during a regular movie, Ann Richards is going to pump your guts full of lead
Yea lmao. Obviously they don’t care during sing-a-long and quote-a-long events.
I have never wanted to burn down a full theater more than I do now.
You can see the disappointment in his eyes.
I did this with my friends during covid and it came to be the best part of my week.
It's the only way to see horror movies IMHO.
I am so happy my local cinema is deep down in a basement without any mobile reception. People try to access Tiktok and just give up.
You can sort of emulate this behavior using a VR headset and using that Big screen app that puts you in a virtual theatre with others and people can talk and throw popcorn at the screen etc. You can find all sorts of movies playing on it that you can randomly join
KEKW
Yes!
MST3K IRL.
Except nobody is funny
So exactly like MST3K then, got it
Also no puppets :(
Baby Shark needs to be playing in the background. It's always playing on one of the many speakers, but which speaker it is - and what volume - changes every couple of seconds.
Why must you do this to me
Baby sha-a-a-ark baby sha-a-a-ark
There's a separate twitch stream watching these people and they vote on that every time the song plays. Max volume on all speakers if the stream is dead.
This sounds like hell, the movie experience is already awful.
That's the idea, then people who want to see the movie they paid for can go to the non-brainrot theatre.
In the theater, you can just talk to everyone in the room
You’re not supposed to talk during the movie tho
Oh yeah, and who's gonna arrest me? The talk police?
ME
Neither are you supposed to use your smartphone
It's all fun and games until someone gets the rest of the theatre to think of The Game. That's why this isn't a thing in person, the chances of shitpost-related violence is too high.
sigh ... I just lost the game.
Motherfucker
Personally, I would like a Japanese karoke-style room system for the theater. Sit back, relax, and watch the video in peace. Order snacks and drinks for delivery, and maybe snuggle up with your partner. No children, just you and a time away from life.
Right, and the chat should scroll on the side of the film, for maximum immersion.
Just have a theater play a modern Netflix film. Basically the equivalent.
There are basically things that allow this online where you're all watching a movie together with both text and audio chat.
I actually kinda wanna watch Rocky Horror Picture Show in VR like that, but only if everyone watching does all the audience participation shit that makes that movie fun.
streaming a movie to the homies on discord frfr
GroupTrax
It sounds like a less fun version of a midnight showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Minus the theatre it looks like they'd live China and their streams where people send comments while watching soaps together.
Yeah I think this is a nice idea, this way all the assholes and immature idiots get contained to a few screens leaving the other screens for adults who actually want to see the movie. A lot of people have the attention span of a toddler and think movies are some kind of social experience where you can have a chat with others or constantly get up or pull your phone out and be disruptive in many ways, putting such people together will not annoy them, the movie can play in the background while they socialize or whatever and the theatre still makes their money.
thats what movies used to be. you would have people shouting stuff and having a good time
When I watched Avengers Infinity War and Endgame in the cinema on launch day, the audience was very reactive. There was cheering, applause, laughter, etc.
Was a great experience you rarely get in this extent, elsewhere. Every one in those theatre rooms was a big enough fan though, to go see the non dubbed version in a non English speaking country on launch day.
Stuff like that is great and ads to the cinema experience. However, I very much believe the „brainrotification“ of cinema, as described by oop, would infinitely detract from the experience for everyone but the most late stage adhd brainrot gen z and gen alpha ppl. I would not go to a cinema like that.
I feel like these kinds of movies are meant to be experienced in theatre's with others, it adds to the experience when everyone is openly reacting to the scenes. But I sure as shit don't want any of this behavior for more serious movies, so there's a time and a place for everything.
Yes absolutely. In a serious film that‘d be very much out of place. But also, actually serious films usually don’t have „epic“ twists and encourage cheering on the protagonist. And I can absolutely excuse an audibly sobbing seat neighbour, if the film was sufficiently impactful or laughter if I’m watching a comedy. Which all does happen. Unless either director or audience were utterly tone deaf, most movies make the audience react in a way that’s appropriate for the kind of film it is.
Here in western europe, such behaviour would be VERY frowned upon. You go to the theater to see the movie on a big screen with good sound. And you shut the hell up from the moment the lights go out. You don't talk, you don't shout, you don't applaud. Laughing and crying are socially acceptable if not too loud. If you want to talk, go to a bar. If you want to talk during a movie, buy your own projector. Want to scroll on your phone? Go to the bathroom. But in the theater, you sit down and shut the hell up. At least here, in quiet and peace-loving (and slightly boring) western europe :)
Good movies still get good audiences. When I saw Deadpool & Wolverine, the audience was laughing and engaging the whole time, it was great.
This behavior is acceptable for mass entertainers like the MCU movies or Mission Impossible etc but I want none of this for serious cinema