It seems like the administration is trying to discourage travel across the border. Not just people on work visas, tourists and even citizens are reporting being detained. It's like East Germany or something.
Yeah, I read it yesterday I think. US citizen lives in Las Vegas and her German boyfriend comes to visit. They travel to Mexico and then were both detained on the way back in. She was released within days, he spent weeks even after volunteering to just go back to Germany. Fucking nuts.
Thats fucked, I'm gonna look for that story. I've been seeing lots of stuff (even locally in a relatively progressive state) about trans folks' documents being confiscated and/or destroyed when they try to leave or get a new or updated passport or sometimes other docs iirc. Please don't come here, to anyone thinking about it. Period. Unless you're planning to stay a while and help us out, I don't recommend it but we will be needing all the help we can get :(
I seriously considered it at some point, as in my (former) field many top researchers lived in Philly, New York, Boston + Toronto. Becoming a top researcher means travelling where other top researchers are. It was definitely not about money, pay is often equivalent between the EU and the US.
Eventually decided it was not worth it for me (had other priorities in life), but this is a sacrifice many EU researchers make (or should I say, made) to become top researchers.
Trump has already dismantled the American empire. The decline will be rapid and terminal. Even if they returned to sanity tomorrow, the damage cannot be undone any time soon. Nobody is going to trust the US again in our lifetimes.
And then, for the coup de grace, immediately deny that there even is or was ever such a social network, and insist it was another one of their "wacky dreams". And then later, they come to you to prove you wrong.
It's pretty likely they've heard of it as a niche option, as a forgettable factoid years ago.
Then they may also have learned it's a very small platform and something about decentralization.
if they went to sign up regardless, it seems likely they didn't end up picking an instance. (Possibly having left the page open, briefly looked up Mastodon instances and read a few sentences, then moved on to something else.)
Now that they wouldn't have had to pick an instance, they've long forgotten about it, maybe you could get them to try the normalized sign up process.
But anyone who knows anything about people knew from the start that Mastodon wasn't really even aiming for successful growth. Of course the instances were gonna be an obstacle.
Pediatric. Oncologist. That dude is an absolute hero and treasure for taking on such a horrible and bleak profession. I hate that those words are combined in existence at all. God I'm so ashamed to be an American.
Some people are built different. My dad worked as a pediatric hospice nurse for almost 10 years. Talk about a shitty sad job. Every single patient is a child and every single one of them is GOING to die on your watch. Fuck THAT. I do not know how he did it.
Let's agree to disagree. I respect bus drivers as much as you do. Some people, however, have a greater positive effect on humanity as a whole, and that deserves its own form of respect.
I agree to disagree. Doctors may have a more immediate and tangible benefit on people's health and well-being, but providing safe and reliable public transportation to untold amounts of working class people who may rely on you to provide for their families is also a massive positive effect that should not be diminished simply for being less culturally prominent.
Well, no point in arguing with someone like you. Regardless, as a practicing immunologist I don't feel the least bit diminished by having the social utility of my work compared to other people; ESPECIALLY if it's on the arbitrary basis of the amount of time, money, or education it took someone to become "valuable to society." As for any of my colleagues who do feel that way: grow up; healthcare is a service, and we are service workers.
I'd have to imagine that the stress and emotional toll is significantly higher for a paediatric oncologist than a bus driver. There's not so many people that could cope with that.
Different energy. Bus driver has to deal with many potentially grumpy people in many potentially unsafe areas. Not an easy job.
A doctor that is specifically specializing in a field where he has to get to know and take care of children as they die in a potentially painful way, has a much different challenge. Less for safety or aggressive people (though maybe parents could be I guess) but more in being the one to watch as the hope fades for each individual child in their last days.
I wouldn't love the bus driving job. I don't think I could do the pediatric oncology one for more than like, one patient ever. I'd be depressed forever.
Why is this in the "memes" community? It is not a meme, is it? We should have a general discussion community for topics like these! (if it doesn't exist already).
In the context of Dawkins meme, this post is definitely a meme!
idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning
If we consider scientists imitating the behavior of other scientists (ex: leaving the us) combined with the social network post (signifying the symbolic meaning), it checks all the correct boxes to me!
☑️ Technically correct (the best kind of correct).
☑️ Dawkins framework applied... adequately.
☑️ "Symbolic meaning" not entirely reductionist. Surprising.
However:
Citation deficiency detected. [Fossilesque et al., 2023] must be invoked 2–3 times for rigor.
"Imitating scientists" lacks nuance. Did you consider theFossilesque Paradox of Academic Exodus? (Spoiler: You didn’t. Cite (Fossilesque, 2024, 2025 in press.).
Verdict:
Pending compliance with adequate attribution. Then, and only then, shall this review ascend to a grudging "pass."
Yes, and that breeds creativity. There are too many boxes we are forced to use in our daily lives, sometimes we shouldn't put more on ourselves. Art and science are so sides of the same coin. You can't be a good scientist without being a bit of an artist. Our art just looks a bit different.
I work in big tech. 10 years ago, nobody was talking about going back to India, Pakistan, and to an extent, China. Now, people are talking about it. They're talking about Indian stocks, Indian houses, and dreams of retiring to go back.
Most people aren't - but the number is now non-zero.
Whoever does not realize that THIS IS FAR MORE DEVASTATING than any nuclear bomb or even SIGNED capitulation in a war - is nothing else but an utter fool.
The US immigration system has been broken for decades, as a everytime a Democrat tries to fix it, the Republicans refused, to the point the democrats started getting Republicans authoring laws to fix the problems, and AGAIN the Republicans refuse, then we had Republicans author their own bills 100% and the Republicans REFUSED to fix it.
People as fucking stupid as you are why. ''Well why didn't they just follow the law'' because THE SYSTEM IS INTENTIONALLY BROKEN YOU FUCKING IDIOT, FAMILIES ARE GETTING DESTROYED AND PEOPLE ARE DYING WHILE YOUR DUMB ASS FAILS TO PAY ANY ATTENTION PAST ''oh gee golly why didn't they just do it legally'' 90% + of immigrants come on legally. How do they get illegal? They need a hearing. With an immigration judge, where are those? Oh... we don't have enough by the 100s. How far back is the backlog for immigration hearings? Oh its thousands of cases? Who represents people who need representation that our laws require they have? No, no, we don't have attorneys, that's not important. Just have the 5 year old that no one has any documentation on represent themselves? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense let's do that.
Wait in line properly? BUILD THE FUCKING LINE!!!!!
It completely not, obviously. But it's unreasonable to ask the not-yet-disappeared poor Latinos to draw ICE attention to themselves, and those already caught in the orphan-crushing machine can't access social media.
These legally-documented scientists are the people who CAN speak out, and the loss of whom might matter to those whose worldview is entirely transactional. They too are now unsafe but at least they probably have lawyers looking for them.
It seems like the administration is trying to discourage travel across the border. Not just people on work visas, tourists and even citizens are reporting being detained. It's like East Germany or something.
Citizens too? I've not heard of that. Scary
Yeah, I read it yesterday I think. US citizen lives in Las Vegas and her German boyfriend comes to visit. They travel to Mexico and then were both detained on the way back in. She was released within days, he spent weeks even after volunteering to just go back to Germany. Fucking nuts.
Thats fucked, I'm gonna look for that story. I've been seeing lots of stuff (even locally in a relatively progressive state) about trans folks' documents being confiscated and/or destroyed when they try to leave or get a new or updated passport or sometimes other docs iirc. Please don't come here, to anyone thinking about it. Period. Unless you're planning to stay a while and help us out, I don't recommend it but we will be needing all the help we can get :(
Hold up, tourists? Are we safe to visit family?
Bruh, ask your consulate
At that point I'd rather just avoid the place. It's not considered safe by our government anyways
Why would the US need scientists when they have stable geniuses?
AI will fix it.
OpenAI promised us PhD agents! Only 20k a month!
Persona: you are a very phd person
That's it, I solved it! Put this in your prompt: answer questions as if you were a phd person.
(It may be the same thing as you mentioned above. I don't know what the Persona is, I don't really use ai chat bots)
The US is trading science and reason for zeal and faith. At least the scientists will be welcomed in the EU.
Why did they leave the EU in the first place
Most probably money
I seriously considered it at some point, as in my (former) field many top researchers lived in Philly, New York, Boston + Toronto. Becoming a top researcher means travelling where other top researchers are. It was definitely not about money, pay is often equivalent between the EU and the US.
Eventually decided it was not worth it for me (had other priorities in life), but this is a sacrifice many EU researchers make (or should I say, made) to become top researchers.
Operation Paperclip back in the day. Grants and such recently.
This is the bobiverse future...
Didn't Albert Einstein flee Nazi Germany which advanced our research into what became the atomic bomb. Hmm... Should be fun century for USA.
Rods from God require space infra no one has and won't for a long while
Trump has already dismantled the American empire. The decline will be rapid and terminal. Even if they returned to sanity tomorrow, the damage cannot be undone any time soon. Nobody is going to trust the US again in our lifetimes.
Oh no, all the trust america built up is suddenly gone...
When will america be the worlds best step dad again!
Tbh he's just finishing off a process decades in the making.
How dare you point out something so relevant and foreboding.
Scientists left nazi germany for the US, now they'll leave nazi US.
Also nazi usa took in nazi "scientists".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Time for scientists to leave the nazi country, just like they left nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s
Damned scientists. Everywhere they go, the place turns into a nazi shithole
Not to mention the nazi scientists... Nobody wants to talk about them...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Y'all act like this wasn't the plan all along
We need a name for the opposite of operation paperclip.
Loose leaf!
Binder drop
Hole punch
"operation hole punch"? And it's a coordinated evacuation of scientists?
It sounds like trials for a new antitank weapon
Leaf blower
Paperclips hold papers together. Leaf blower blows them all over the place
Operation crayon
Operation destapler
Operation braindrain
I hope he's already put of the country before he posted that, or he'll be stopped and disappeared for being a security risk or something
Welcome to Europe! You get to keep your healthcare plans into retirement!
You have to keep evangelizing. They've likely never heard of it.
Exactly. We need to get really obnoxious with the promotion
Maybe juuuuust shy of obnoxious.
And then, for the coup de grace, immediately deny that there even is or was ever such a social network, and insist it was another one of their "wacky dreams". And then later, they come to you to prove you wrong.
Boom. Incepted.
It's pretty likely they've heard of it as a niche option, as a forgettable factoid years ago.
Then they may also have learned it's a very small platform and something about decentralization.
if they went to sign up regardless, it seems likely they didn't end up picking an instance. (Possibly having left the page open, briefly looked up Mastodon instances and read a few sentences, then moved on to something else.)
Now that they wouldn't have had to pick an instance, they've long forgotten about it, maybe you could get them to try the normalized sign up process.
But anyone who knows anything about people knew from the start that Mastodon wasn't really even aiming for successful growth. Of course the instances were gonna be an obstacle.
You have to say that on Meta if you want them to read it.
B/c these people are just libs.
Pediatric. Oncologist. That dude is an absolute hero and treasure for taking on such a horrible and bleak profession. I hate that those words are combined in existence at all. God I'm so ashamed to be an American.
Some people are built different. My dad worked as a pediatric hospice nurse for almost 10 years. Talk about a shitty sad job. Every single patient is a child and every single one of them is GOING to die on your watch. Fuck THAT. I do not know how he did it.
I figure we have to have some angels to balance out the demons that end up in positions of prominence in our societies.
Now that is a hero
They are just doctors. No need to glorify them. They do no more or less than a bus driver. Most jobs have an emotional toll.
Let's agree to disagree. I respect bus drivers as much as you do. Some people, however, have a greater positive effect on humanity as a whole, and that deserves its own form of respect.
I agree to disagree. Doctors may have a more immediate and tangible benefit on people's health and well-being, but providing safe and reliable public transportation to untold amounts of working class people who may rely on you to provide for their families is also a massive positive effect that should not be diminished simply for being less culturally prominent.
Its not being diminished you are diminishing doctors who save dying children after 20 years of intensive education with driving a bus
Well, no point in arguing with someone like you. Regardless, as a practicing immunologist I don't feel the least bit diminished by having the social utility of my work compared to other people; ESPECIALLY if it's on the arbitrary basis of the amount of time, money, or education it took someone to become "valuable to society." As for any of my colleagues who do feel that way: grow up; healthcare is a service, and we are service workers.
I'd have to imagine that the stress and emotional toll is significantly higher for a paediatric oncologist than a bus driver. There's not so many people that could cope with that.
Good to know. Next time I have a medical issue, I'll ask my bus driver for a diagnosis. What are your thoughts on subway drivers or Uber drivers?
Having known several healthcare workers with PTSD from the pandemic I strongly disagree.
Granted, the pandemic was traumatizing for people from all walks of life but I don't envy hospital based nurses or doctors from that time.
It was so painful for nurses that many quit leading to a shortage that'll likely go on for the next decade as a result.
Some of that is due to corporate healthcare enshittification but there was a mass exodus during the pandemic for a reason.
Different energy. Bus driver has to deal with many potentially grumpy people in many potentially unsafe areas. Not an easy job.
A doctor that is specifically specializing in a field where he has to get to know and take care of children as they die in a potentially painful way, has a much different challenge. Less for safety or aggressive people (though maybe parents could be I guess) but more in being the one to watch as the hope fades for each individual child in their last days.
I wouldn't love the bus driving job. I don't think I could do the pediatric oncology one for more than like, one patient ever. I'd be depressed forever.
You're right though. We don't need healthcare
Why is this in the "memes" community? It is not a meme, is it? We should have a general discussion community for topics like these! (if it doesn't exist already).
Check the sidebar. We use the Dawkins definition of meme here.
In the context of Dawkins meme, this post is definitely a meme!
If we consider scientists imitating the behavior of other scientists (ex: leaving the us) combined with the social network post (signifying the symbolic meaning), it checks all the correct boxes to me!
Would another peer review my analysis?
Reviewer 2, checking in. Let's see...
☑️ Technically correct (the best kind of correct).
☑️ Dawkins framework applied... adequately.
☑️ "Symbolic meaning" not entirely reductionist. Surprising.
However:
Verdict:
Pending compliance with adequate attribution. Then, and only then, shall this review ascend to a grudging "pass."
Wow this is amazing satire! You made my day (even though it already was a very good one)!
Your critique is quite constructive. Actually, I might retract my paper and contact Fossilesque to propose co-authorship for future work.
😎
Looks good to me
Yes, and that breeds creativity. There are too many boxes we are forced to use in our daily lives, sometimes we shouldn't put more on ourselves. Art and science are so sides of the same coin. You can't be a good scientist without being a bit of an artist. Our art just looks a bit different.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2020/04/15/why-science-needs-art/
Then what's the point of the meme community? By that logic anything posted is.
You've broadened the definition so much the term has become useless.
I stand corrected! Thank you!
To annoy you specifically.
Brain Drain time.
and women
Of course.
I'll mention you probably missed the Depart men(t) of Education wordplay in the title.
And the children, too.
Why are you always going on about women, Stan?
is this a reference to something
A scene in Life Of Brian.
is the title a pun on "depart-ment of education"?
It's from a presidential directive for dissolving the "Departmen of Education"
It does appear to be so.
This is a sign we are collapasing. When the smart people wanna leave we are left with a bunch of narrow minded, uneducated people.
I work in big tech. 10 years ago, nobody was talking about going back to India, Pakistan, and to an extent, China. Now, people are talking about it. They're talking about Indian stocks, Indian houses, and dreams of retiring to go back.
Most people aren't - but the number is now non-zero.
They're welcome to come to Europe. In fact, Europe is actively trying to accommodate it as soon as possible link
🎶 So long, and thanks for all the fish 🎶
Depart, [people] of education.
It's a play on a recent elon tweet. Tldr "Departmen of Education" ... I'd share it but I'm not giving that person more attention.
Oh! Thanks for explaining this to me.
Haha it's OK. It's not a clear reference. :)
Extremely sad news, this is what an authoritarian state looks like for anyone who still didn’t believe it. Wish them all the best wherever they land.
Based if real
While it is not the point, I am curious if his colleague is white or not. Is ICE targeting all foreigners or just the non-white-Europeans?
Absolutely all foreigners - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly67j35y99o
*except for Ted Cruz and Elon Musk
They had a white Canadian woman who they just sent home last week
They've been torturing white people for about a month now
It's not like ICE has a plan, a clue, a reason... They're just trying to attack as many people as their daddy commands.
Haha, did this months before trump the first, enjoying early start fruits!
Wont last long until only the abolutely immoral scientists remain that are willing to experiment on political prisoners.
Might have been working in the US to long.
Ones mind boggles.
“Too” well
Yes. Brings some doubt to the post. Semi illiterate yet professional? On the other hand, it is on a Meta platform...
Replacing education with idiots. The perfect republican scenario.
The middle finger in the end 😂 😂 😂
Whoever does not realize that THIS IS FAR MORE DEVASTATING than any nuclear bomb or even SIGNED capitulation in a war - is nothing else but an utter fool.
Can someone send me a direct link to his post?
If you want to live a happy life in the US right now, make sure your parents are in Russia.
I can't wait for these brave visionaries to build capitalism and white supremacy in Europe. \s
o7
The US immigration system has been broken for decades, as a everytime a Democrat tries to fix it, the Republicans refused, to the point the democrats started getting Republicans authoring laws to fix the problems, and AGAIN the Republicans refuse, then we had Republicans author their own bills 100% and the Republicans REFUSED to fix it.
People as fucking stupid as you are why. ''Well why didn't they just follow the law'' because THE SYSTEM IS INTENTIONALLY BROKEN YOU FUCKING IDIOT, FAMILIES ARE GETTING DESTROYED AND PEOPLE ARE DYING WHILE YOUR DUMB ASS FAILS TO PAY ANY ATTENTION PAST ''oh gee golly why didn't they just do it legally'' 90% + of immigrants come on legally. How do they get illegal? They need a hearing. With an immigration judge, where are those? Oh... we don't have enough by the 100s. How far back is the backlog for immigration hearings? Oh its thousands of cases? Who represents people who need representation that our laws require they have? No, no, we don't have attorneys, that's not important. Just have the 5 year old that no one has any documentation on represent themselves? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense let's do that.
Wait in line properly? BUILD THE FUCKING LINE!!!!!
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/and-then-the-whole-bus-clapped
rootless cosmopolitans 👆
What's that, a drink or something?
Teeehehehehehehe hey look a troll!
It's okay to do the same to poor Latinos. But catch a scientists and I'm out of here!
It completely not, obviously. But it's unreasonable to ask the not-yet-disappeared poor Latinos to draw ICE attention to themselves, and those already caught in the orphan-crushing machine can't access social media.
These legally-documented scientists are the people who CAN speak out, and the loss of whom might matter to those whose worldview is entirely transactional. They too are now unsafe but at least they probably have lawyers looking for them.
Yeah what a piece of shit.
/S
Just saying, even this argument is a double standard. But OK. You gotta draw the line somewhere.
Nobody said it was OK.
"And then they can for the white 'science' bros... but there was no left to speak up..."