Kamala Harris Picked as Democrats’ Runaway 2028 Favorite in New Poll
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We still have three years to go before the next election, assuming one actually happens.
At this stage in the game, the only thing that these types of polls are going to reveal is who has the most name recognition.
In other words, everyone calm down.
Thank you! Any time this kind of polling shows up on Lemmy, users seem to think this is the Plan of the Democratic Leadership Cabal, rather than an incredibly premature name recognition test.
People want to vote for people they have favorable impressions of who they also think others will vote for. Without other frontrunners, who emerge over time, it's not surprising that polled Democrats would recognize and still support the candidate that 75 million people voted for five months ago.
If you want other candidates (I do), identify them and figure out how to help them build their profile now.
It's crazy how fast incredibly premature polling turns into unstoppable freight train that cannot be interrupted by anything but a certified act of God signed and dated with appropriate postage to oh shit oh God what's happening someone should have planned something.
Just like the polls that show McDonald's, Taco Bell, or Chic fil a as America's favorite restaurant in X state. It doesn't take too many idiots to outweigh everyone else.
Are you fucking kidding me.
AOC and Bernie over here amassing entire legions of working class people and they're over here bashing themselves in the nuts. doing a straw poll with corporate doners pretending like it means fucking ANYTHING.
GODAMNIT THESE FUCKING DEMOCRATS ARE FUCKING MORONS.
Perhaps time for a third party...
The problem is that I don't know how you'd get a third party off the ground. Modern third parties all seem to fall into the trap of going all in on a presidential at the expense of any potential down ballot races.
I think Bernie's suggestion of progressives running as independent is an interesting angle as it would be focused on down ballot races by its nature, and if you get enough independent progressives, they could coalesce into a new party down the line.
There's also the blockade that both established parties put up, as they very much enjoy their exclusive duopoly.
Running Kamala Harris is a good start!
fucking morons.
people demanding progressives, but no, lets pretend conservative democrats have a fucking chance.
how tone-deaf can you fucking be.
Considering the Democratic Party has done this 3 times in a row and that they refuse to primary wildly unpopular members of their own party.
They are extremely tone deaf and out of touch with what the voters want. It’s why I want the progressives in the party to split off. The progressives are screwed if they stay, so why not leave and have an actual fucking chance?
Bernie Sanders got screwed over by the super delegates who all went for unpopular Hillary Clinton. Imagine how wildly different things would be if he was the Democratic nominee in 2016?
agreed. we have assholes like obama and bill clinton also to blame for sinking bernie in 2016.
they are 100% part of why trump is president right now.
The primaries are open to anybody who meets the requirements. We don't have to wait for "the party" to provide us with better candidates. The better candidates just have to follow the process to declare themselves a candidate. And then we just have to show up and vote for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#2016_election
Also at the top of that page:
It's sad to think about how much better things could have been, and also if we had had Gore in 2000. But we shouldn't forget that Clinton won the primaries popular vote by enough that the superdelegates' votes didn't matter.
Oh a secret progressive, neat. She could have chosen up until the last few days of the election to jettison the zionist garbage messaging from her campaign and choose to win and she didnt. Her campaign had polls showing she'd lose and why. Unless she literally had a gun to her head I dont want to hear how progressive she is.
On top of that she's married to a zionist and her campaign manager was her husbands brother, also a zionist. If she wants to promise to ditch those two losers from anything relating to politics I'll consider voting for her, otherwise she can piss right on off in every single other time she runs as well. No more zionists candidates. Reform jewish people are fine, but we need to stop trying to prop up right wing warmongers from whats supposedly the left leaning party.
Good god please no. Not again.
Dems right now.
I like Harris just fine and she would have been a far better president than Donnie, but this is how JD Vance becomes President.
Bold to assume Trump 3 doesn't happen.
Cant we find someone who is not in favor of war crimes to run from the left? How about Buttigieg
I'd be all in on that.
No they fucking haven't.
I don't know who they're polling to come up with that trash. Dems didn't turn out for her in 2024 because she had no answers on the economy, and refused to admit Israel was genociding Palestinians, so they sure as shit aren't going to turn up for her in 2028--if there's even an election in 2028--when she still won't have any answers about the economy--which will likely be in full depression territory by then--and all she'll be able to do with Israel is say, "well, it's too late, all the Palestinians have been genocided, oh well).
Yes. I voted for her because there was no other viable option. Claiming that she's the best choice in primaries, for a 2028 presidential run is absolute nonsense. Running her again would be beyond stupid; it would be like running Clinton (Hilary, not Bill) a second time.
Fuck sake, get someone that's a charismatic populist running on messages of, "hell yes, we're going to tax the shit out of billionaires, we're going to tax them until they're millionaires", with expansion of gov't services and de-privatization as major platform planks. Dems need a Project 2028 that lays all of this shit out on an eyes-only basis so they can get the majority of it through in the first 4 months, too. Not just unwinding the damage that Trump has done to the federal bureaucracy, but EXPANDING it, and hardening it against any future interference from the executive branch.
The pool wasn't about general election. It's about primaries. Insane as it is, it's all about name recognition. People in US will simply vote for the one person they heard about. But it's still early, other candidates still have time to get their name out there.
Jfc. They'll never learn. We really are all doomed.
Just kidding. We were doomed already.
No we fucking didn't. She can't win a primary against sanders.
Bernie Sanders is 83. He won't be running in the Presidential primaries.
Never say never, but aoc might. And she's lib enough to win over most dems.
It's hard to imagine a majority of white voters supporting AOC. Obama managed win two elections despite 43% and 39% of the white vote due to strong PoC voter turnout but I doubt that would play out well in the current political climate. AOC would be even more divisive, in a way, by being a woman.
Hmmm perhaps the Latino vote could play a big role in her support, potentially tipping it in her favor if she did run for the presidency. Still I get it, it's a long shot.
The problem with clinton an harris was not that they were women, for fucks sake. Clinton is a racist ghoul that spent her career, at best, advocating against the working class. Even if she could differentiate herself from her husband, which she never even tried to, she's still a racist conservative whose entire messaging was that she was owed a 'turn' as president.
And harris was a right wing genocidal cop.
The problem is not that these evil people are women, it's that they have no differentiating factors from 1990s republicans. And dems want nonrepublican candidates, not old republican candidates.
Sure but even Obama, who did not have to deal with gender based prejudice and was generally a well liked populist, could not pull a majority of the white vote. A lot of white voters just could not bring themselves to trust him because he looked different and had a different name. It's incredible he ever got elected.
Identity politics are baked into American culture unfortunately and I wonder if a female PoC has a real shot with where things are now. If they do, other PoC would really have to show up for them, like they did for Obama.
Obama was also 16 years ago and a plurality of rep voters since that time, in the specific demo you mention, have long since died.
Racism is absolutely alive and thriving, don't get me wrong, but if montana can elect a trans person and most the south have black members in their state congresses for the first time since jim crow, it's not as big an issue as it once was.
What unifies left and right voters is talk of focusing on the working class, acknowledging their struggle, and presenting some plan. It doesn't even have to be good as we've seen from trump's first election. You just have to not be a fucking snob.
And guess who is great at messaging that vibe while having been put down by right wing media for being too working class? AOC.
She's left wing enough to energize disillusioned leftie votes, she's young enough to energize disillusioned youth votes, she's right wing enough to not scare off conservatives, and she's working class enough to connect with dissimilar working class voters. Add on to the constant stories of trumps ineptitude even being pushed by right wing media and you have the perfect answer to her inexperience.
If the dems want to have the slightest chance of winning, she's the only candidate with enough name recognition to come close to winning. If they run yet another career politician or corrupt cop, they want to lose, simple as that.
I'd trust Bernie at 95 wayyyy more than trump at any age
Fuck no get someone younger. Enough with the senior citizens running the country.
So, they prove once again that they don't learn.
Honestly I don't think she should run in 28. Nothing against Kamala, but we really don't need a moderate centrist insider to bring us back from the damage Trump is doing. The nation would be far better off having a real debate with Pete, Tim, and Alexandria up on stage. Kamala would have too much power over the process, and would use every bit of it. Which of course means that's exactly what's going to happen, probably handing us a narrow loss to fucking Don Jr. or some other moron puppet.
If you don't want a moderate why would you want Pete anywhere near?
I want him on the stage, doesn't mean I want him to win. The main problem with Kamala being up there is that she would own the apparatus, the same way Joe and Hillary did. It's a form of censorship that doesn't help the debate, and leads to bad results. It leads to weighting them based on their influence, rather than ability, policy, and character.
Also it's going to be a cold day in Hell before a woman wins.
Seriously. This is the thing they do not seem to get. Unfortunately our country is sexist and racist. She will never win.
All true. But also, a popular woman could win, like AOC. They just keep putting up establishment stooges, that's a large part of the reason why they don't get elected.
Mmore proof the neo liberal democratic party is a controlled opposition party who bows to the will of the same Wall Street military and prison industry profiteers that guide the policies of the right. Trump is going to be handed another 4 years after they repeal the 22nd amendment. this country is a fascist hellscape
Why? Jfc just learn for once.
DNC: "No."
Here's an idea, maybe field a compelling candidate who can beat Trump?
Crazy I know. I just don't know where it comes from sometimes.
If Trump is allowed to run again so is Obama. Not sure how everyone feels about that.
I’m okay with that.
What the fuckkkkk
Never get tired of losing
Please don’t.
Can't wait until she loses again to the same dipshit moron she lost to and we're blamed again for her horrid policy campaign, again.
I swear to god if they pull this nonsense again…
A.) this is a joke right? B.) amusing they think there’s gonna be a viable election in 2028
See you in 2032
Yes, things will change in 2032 for sure. You can take that to the bank, jack.
Democrats love fucking losing.
They’re gonna keep doing wackier shit until it’s clear they’ve been fucking with their supporters the whole time then say “you really thought we were on your side??” then sucker punch an old lady and run over a dog.
This is why repubs don't have to cheat to win. Democrats will it into existence.
Please understand that they still will cheat if they can, because it's more fun for them that way
Things the DNC has learned:
Was this a poll of the DNC or registered Democrats? Asking because ad blocker.
The poll seems to cover Democrats and "Democrat-leaning independents," so not the DNC.
Exit: can't find the actual post on Morning Consult yet, but the article features an image where they specify the polled population.
Sure, let's do the same stupid shit again and expect different results.
I'm GLAD the Democrats are Pushing the Woman who LOST against a Billionaire Nazi who Campaigned on RUINING America and American Lives!
She lost to a carnival barker
no just no no no please god no
It's funny how libs think republicans are the only stupid "party".
You got that backward. Republicans have stupid constituents, and the democrats have a stupid party. Republicans have been playing the long game and reaping the rewards of decades worth of planning and posturing. Democrats can't agree on a vision. The democrats strength is also their biggest problem. They're a big tent party that's inclusive to all and all ideas. In practice, that means they lack a single vision to fight for and never long-term plan. If they quit focusing on the fringe and instead focused on the class war, they could have that singular, uniting vision.
Both the Dems and Republicans have failed us...Maybe we should start looking to a third party that actually cares about the people.
we are so fucked.
For that you need a different electoral system. FPTP tends towards dominance by two parties
We need an actual second party.
Agreed.
Surely they must mean "Favorite candidate to run away from"....
(I'm kidding, though. I liked Harris as a candidate, but not having a real primary did the Democrats no favors. I blame Biden for not dealing realistically with his aging more than Harris.)
The Democratic Party’s sole strategy looks like maximizing their big donor and independent votes. So they keep moving toward center-right.
This Democratic Party is like the monsters in Scooby Doo - the villain wearing the mask of the common person so they can get closer to you before stabbing in the back.
I became an independent in part to get democrats to actually care about me. They don’t give a fuck what I think if I’m a member because they just assume I’m voting for them.
Fuck off loser
Goddammitsomuch
This is First Past The Post in action. 2/3 of respondents selected someone other than her, yet she "wins" this poll.
Drop the bottom 1/3rd of the candidates, and revote. Repeat a couple times. This soon after the election, Harris's support is as high as it's going to get. Reduce the number of spoilers, and her numbers have nowhere to go but down.
Its Lucy and the football for Charlie Brown, and we never learn.
lol
People need to upvote this for visibility, not disagreement. Seems like most of us agree, fuck no.
People need to see what BS is coming.
But then again I'm just assuming that's how lemmy works and if we downvote it will get lost.
I'm sure leftists and 3rd party voters will be blamed again when she loses, again.
You really think there will be elections in 2028...
Yeah, Putin continues to win elections in his country by a landslide. We'll have those.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Oh my fuck. God no. Stop. Please stop. What the actual fuck.
Who?
Seriously. I haven't seen a word from her since she lost. Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren, Katie Porter, and of course AOC are posting and speaking publicly every day. Katie's running for governor of California and I will give her my vote when the time comes.
The DNC clearly has its head up somewhere dark and damp. Harris's campaign went flat as soon as they got involved.
Only if she plays the role of Taft in 1912.
Ok that's enough social media for today. Sigh
If the DNC is stuck on putting up an “establishment” candidate, why not Schiff? Seems like there’s no way they’re going to back AOC even though I’d guess she would get a lot of energy behind her.
I’m not voting democrat again, so they can run her without me.
To be honest, if there's still an election in 2028 and Kamala Harris is the democrat candidate, I just won't vote anymore. I've voted regularly since I turned 18, but I can't vote Republican in good conscience and Democrats have abandoned the public. I don't even dislike Kamala Harris, she just has no chance of winning and the DNC seems incapable of learning from their mistakes.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again here. It may be in our best interest to nominate a milquetoast candidate for the presidency in 2028 and for the republicans to win it.
That way when 2030 comes around, the house is packed with progressives, as the party in charge usually fares poorly in the midterms.
Why all of that? Well, because the congress in 2030 gets to draw the election district maps after the 2030 census, and for the next decade, progressives could then be represented accurately.
Now, a solid counter argument is what about the courts? And that’s valid, we likely can’t get both in the short to medium term. The best we could maybe hope for is a blue 2026 in the Senate, which could then accept judges that both the president and the senate agree upon. I think there is a case for some liberalesque populist judges to get through.
No. See: 2020.