"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
You're not technically wrong since they were just early to the party with driver assistance & Lane departure warning/avoidance systems, but since the USA made those types of systems mandatory for all cars in 2023, most vehicles 2023+ will now have a similar cost.
The cameras that track the lines on the road and other cars are mounted to the windshield. these windshields are more expensive because the camera brackets have to be precisely aligned and the glass (in that area) must be completely free of optical distortions. Both of those things raise the price of the windshield, and increase design complexity
Yes, a design decision initiated by Tesla and a trend the entire industry followed outside of a few autonomous taxis that have the lidar units on the roof.
However, the alternative requires a separate lens cleaning system as the former just reuses the windshield wiper. So it does reduce the complexity somewhat.
Would a small wiper to handle the lens cleaning not be more cost effective than increasing the complexity of the windshield to the point of significant cost increase?
I'm not on the production/manufacturing side so I could only speculate on the costs. The entire industry's use of the windshield mounted cameras would suggest the costs are lower. Even at the ultra high end like Bently, where there's plenty of profit margin to experiment with, they're still using the windshield mounted cameras.
The other factor to consider would be that the driver can very easily know when the windshield wipers aren't working (an therefore ignore or deactivate suggested lane departure corrections), but a tiny wiper mounted above the roof would be impossible to see while driving.
For the cybertruck? The design of the others are mostly reasonable, I would assume every replacement part for the cybertruck is much more expensive since it's so fucking ridiculous. I've never had to replace a windshield fortunately so I don't know how much they normally cost.
Ah ok, maybe I'm misreading then. Are you saying the roof glass for the other models is very expensive? The windshield on the other models seems pretty generic.
Yeah the roof glass probably should have been optional. The X is pretty silly, after the cybertruck I think the X is the next most ridiculous. Your only SUV is the only car you make that isn't compatible with a roof rack? Really? I like the S, it's fancy and expensive but it's a luxury sedan and is absurdly fast, it's allowed to be fancy. The Y and the 3 are mostly the same car. The glass roof is neat but unnecessary and should have been an option. Also, I'm not sure which years/models have it but I think most/all if the newer models have that double wall glass to keep noise down. Not sure how much cost that adds but that could have been an option too.
Oh so all that “first principles” design their CEO likes to talk about really just means “reinvent the wheel and sell the prototypes to customers at prototype prices?”
Remember, Trump doesn't say things that are true - or even things he thinks are true - he only says things that he thinks will benefit him to say. So yes, it benefits him to say Jan 6 wasn't domestic terrorism, and that vandalism of his boss' cars is domestic terrorism.
Cheese? only use American and only in extremely hot areas.
The real joy is using slices of bologna.
Or, if you want to go hard, get some sponges and soak them in acetone. But that's not for Cybertrucks. They need lemon juice and salt. Just mix up a batch and fill a squirt gun.
They're clearly destabilizing the countries integrity by checks notes vandalizing cars! Property damage is obviously much worse than actual violence, so long as the property is expensive enough. /s
I really get the feeling that this is really just insurance fraud. fElon pays some down and out fellow a few hundred dollars then he gets his fancy insurance to write them off as "totalled" pockets the difference and uses it to prop up Tesla as the roof caves in.
About ⅓ of eligible voters voted for someone else.
About ⅓ of eligible voters voted for him.
About ⅓ of eligible voters didn't vote at all- either because they didn’t want to, or were unable to.
He won by the slimmest margin in decades.
So WE didn’t vote him in. A majority of voters did (by the slimmest of margins). But a lot of that can be attributed to misinformation, foreign (Russian) influence, oligarchs playing the system, and so on. There was a massive influx of campaign cash for him in specific states (from people like Musk).
Of the ⅓ who voted for someone else, the majority of them voted for Harris, and are absolutely miserable with the outcome. The bulk of the eligible American voters you meet on Lemmy probably fall into that category. When you come to them and say “why did you vote him in office?” You’re not asking the right people.
That's all true but it doesn't change anything meaningful. All that matters is the end result of the election. People from other countries have every right to ask Americans wtf we were thinking.
Many of us didn't. In fact, many people didn't vote for anybody, and that was a major part of the problem. These people, usually single issue voters, thought they had the moral high ground by not voting between bad and worst.
Trump received the same number of votes as last election, but Harris received significantly less than Biden did last election. Harris wasn't good enough for a lot of Democrats, and they thought not voting and letting Trump win was better than tossing their morals aside on a single issue.
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abortiondomestic terrorism is myabortiondomestic terrorism."Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
exactly
Fun fact: a replacement windshield for a tesla is on average 1,200 - 2,000 dollars because of their dumb as fuck design
Cyberwindshield: $1200
Cyberwindshield wiper: 3 months backorder
Making a Nazi supporter cry: priceless
I heard the horse cock of a windshield wiper is almost irreplaceable because it's 4 feet long and in limited supply.
It's also made significantly more expensive by the fact that it IS an actual cock from a horse.
Purebred only, on Musk's insistence.
Hand picked by the man himself I hear
Inspired by the Bible.
You're not technically wrong since they were just early to the party with driver assistance & Lane departure warning/avoidance systems, but since the USA made those types of systems mandatory for all cars in 2023, most vehicles 2023+ will now have a similar cost.
I don't get it, what does that have to do with the windshield design?
The cameras that track the lines on the road and other cars are mounted to the windshield. these windshields are more expensive because the camera brackets have to be precisely aligned and the glass (in that area) must be completely free of optical distortions. Both of those things raise the price of the windshield, and increase design complexity
To mount the cameras on the windshield is a design decision, though
Yes, a design decision initiated by Tesla and a trend the entire industry followed outside of a few autonomous taxis that have the lidar units on the roof.
However, the alternative requires a separate lens cleaning system as the former just reuses the windshield wiper. So it does reduce the complexity somewhat.
Or maybe I'm missing your point entirely?
Would a small wiper to handle the lens cleaning not be more cost effective than increasing the complexity of the windshield to the point of significant cost increase?
I'm not on the production/manufacturing side so I could only speculate on the costs. The entire industry's use of the windshield mounted cameras would suggest the costs are lower. Even at the ultra high end like Bently, where there's plenty of profit margin to experiment with, they're still using the windshield mounted cameras.
The other factor to consider would be that the driver can very easily know when the windshield wipers aren't working (an therefore ignore or deactivate suggested lane departure corrections), but a tiny wiper mounted above the roof would be impossible to see while driving.
You would still need the windscreen to be near perfect where the cameras are, which is the big cost.
Another option would be a separate piece of glass to cover the cameras.
for context the windshield of a big ass semi truck costs between $65-225 or just 18% at worst or 3% at best
and they're pretty large too
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For the cybertruck? The design of the others are mostly reasonable, I would assume every replacement part for the cybertruck is much more expensive since it's so fucking ridiculous. I've never had to replace a windshield fortunately so I don't know how much they normally cost.
'mostly reasonable' they integrate into the roof glass and their shape makes them 10x the price of a new windshield
I can get a replacement for a 2010 Ford for about 200$
You might have misread, nothing about the cybertruck is reasonable, the other models are mostly reasonable. $200? Good to know.
I didn't misread, I was referring to other tesla models in mass production
Ah ok, maybe I'm misreading then. Are you saying the roof glass for the other models is very expensive? The windshield on the other models seems pretty generic.
Yes, the design in the model X, Y, and S are all unnecessarily fancy and expensive, coupled with slow production and supply chains.
The cyber truck is just taking those problems and exacerbating them
Yeah the roof glass probably should have been optional. The X is pretty silly, after the cybertruck I think the X is the next most ridiculous. Your only SUV is the only car you make that isn't compatible with a roof rack? Really? I like the S, it's fancy and expensive but it's a luxury sedan and is absurdly fast, it's allowed to be fancy. The Y and the 3 are mostly the same car. The glass roof is neat but unnecessary and should have been an option. Also, I'm not sure which years/models have it but I think most/all if the newer models have that double wall glass to keep noise down. Not sure how much cost that adds but that could have been an option too.
Oh so all that “first principles” design their CEO likes to talk about really just means “reinvent the wheel and sell the prototypes to customers at prototype prices?”
Huh, who would have thunk it?
Gotta be one of the biggest/fastest drops in a company’s stock value since Cutthroat Island opened in theaters.
Which is really upsetting, because that was a good movie and the SNES game was great.
Movie was fun, it just didn’t do well as far as sales go and it was expensive - so it’s considered a “box office bomb”.
SNESDrunk has entered the chat
I was recently reminded of it because of the vid, but the game always was, and is, fun.
Hey fuck you Geena Davis is a treasure and I love Cutthroat Island and I just want my childhood back!
Bad Dog!
Yeah, I like Gina Davis and I like the movie but the truth is that money never made back what it cost to film it, sorry!
No. Its just the original design of Barry before the internet complained.
Oh noo, it caused mass terror throughout the country ... when people saw mildly vandalised pre-shitty cars, PTSD for life.
Plutocracy: Destroy Capitol? Ok. Destroy Capital? Not on my watch!
Remember, Trump doesn't say things that are true - or even things he thinks are true - he only says things that he thinks will benefit him to say. So yes, it benefits him to say Jan 6 wasn't domestic terrorism, and that vandalism of his boss' cars is domestic terrorism.
So what you're saying is: the only wqy to not be a terrorist is to threaten elected officials until I get my way?
I'm off to be an upstanding citizen.
Can't be any elected official, the waiver only applies toward a specific group.
And you have to belong to a specific group.
Pantone of racism
It’s always the opposite with these weirdos.
How many police officers got killed when those cybertrucks got spraypainted?
0s of them
Such a massive number that you could add several zeros to it and not notice the difference.
the difference being private property and public property. only one of those is considered sacred
great title
ohh I see it now...
Just a lil' FYI: you can use a marker/pen to draw on slices of cheese before you need to toss them "somewhere" and start another piece.
Cheese? only use American and only in extremely hot areas.
The real joy is using slices of bologna.
Or, if you want to go hard, get some sponges and soak them in acetone. But that's not for Cybertrucks. They need lemon juice and salt. Just mix up a batch and fill a squirt gun.
yeah sums up the vibes on this post. of course fascists are gonna use rhetoric like this to make themselves look good.
what we need is more destroyed teslas and punched nazis.
Terrorism only applies to brown or poor people.
If you’re rich you get a free pass to do anything including genocide.
It's only rich people who can boycott Teslas (poor folk wouldn't afford them in the first place) so it must be pardonable to boycott! Problem solved!
They're clearly destabilizing the countries integrity by checks notes vandalizing cars! Property damage is obviously much worse than actual violence, so long as the property is expensive enough. /s
Well then, shouldn't be long before we're all terrorists, seeing as this won't be the end of it.
Now try living here. No wonder half of us are so cynical
I really get the feeling that this is really just insurance fraud. fElon pays some down and out fellow a few hundred dollars then he gets his fancy insurance to write them off as "totalled" pockets the difference and uses it to prop up Tesla as the roof caves in.
Why did you vote him in office?
I didn't
About ⅓ of eligible voters voted for someone else.
About ⅓ of eligible voters voted for him.
About ⅓ of eligible voters didn't vote at all- either because they didn’t want to, or were unable to.
He won by the slimmest margin in decades.
So WE didn’t vote him in. A majority of voters did (by the slimmest of margins). But a lot of that can be attributed to misinformation, foreign (Russian) influence, oligarchs playing the system, and so on. There was a massive influx of campaign cash for him in specific states (from people like Musk).
Of the ⅓ who voted for someone else, the majority of them voted for Harris, and are absolutely miserable with the outcome. The bulk of the eligible American voters you meet on Lemmy probably fall into that category. When you come to them and say “why did you vote him in office?” You’re not asking the right people.
That's all true but it doesn't change anything meaningful. All that matters is the end result of the election. People from other countries have every right to ask Americans wtf we were thinking.
I truly believe the reason is because even amongst democrats there are still a large group of people who are racists and/or sexists.
Democracy needs to be taken seriously ffs. To bad a lot of people take it all for granted.
That is very true, unfortunately
Plurality, as you pointed out he did not get a majoirty
Many of us didn't. In fact, many people didn't vote for anybody, and that was a major part of the problem. These people, usually single issue voters, thought they had the moral high ground by not voting between bad and worst.
Trump received the same number of votes as last election, but Harris received significantly less than Biden did last election. Harris wasn't good enough for a lot of Democrats, and they thought not voting and letting Trump win was better than tossing their morals aside on a single issue.
That's a shame really. Well I hope he won't do too much damage, before he's removed from office.