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What Pseudoscience do you Believe?

Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

Ley Lines

Accupressure/puncture

Ayurveda

Body Memory

Faith healing

Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future. oh and the ability to subconsciously deeply understand animals, know the future, etc

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lemmy.world

The Moon landing was staged, but Stanley Kubrick insisted to shoot on location...

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The USB law.

When you try to plug in a USB-A connector, there's a 70% probability it won't go in. Mathematically it should be 50%, but I don't believe that.

You switch it around, and there's a 30% probability it won't go in. This is not something they taught at school.

You switch it around the third time, and there's a 5% chance it still won't go in. Your mind begins to melt down, you switch and insert repeatedly until it finally works sooner or later.

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angrystegoreply
lemmy.world

That's true only if you don't want to or cannot look at the connector. The side with the seam goes to the part of the hole with the plastic bit.

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lemmy.world

Also, the overwhelming majority of USB plugs have the logo on the side away from the plastic bit, and sockets have their plastic bits towards the top of the device. You want the plastic bits on opposite sides (as physical objects don't like to overlap), so that means that if you can feel the logo with your thumb, that side goes up when you plug it in, and you don't even have to look.

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futurology.today

Amazing! I need to check how many of my cables actually follow this rule.

Also, the socket side tends to be aligned in a particular way, but it won't work with all manufacturers. I recall seeing some laptops that had their USB-A sockets upside down. Oh, and desktops too! Those sockets are usually vertical, and facing a wall, so it's anyone's guess which way is right.

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Towards the back of the machine normally counts as up for upwards-facing sockets, unless it's a case with feet on the side, in which case it'll be away from those feet so the sockets would be the right way up if it were sideways and on the alternative feet.

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The orientation of the connector occupies both states at the same time. If you look at it, the superposition collapses into either of the two.

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It's the XCOM principle lol.

A shot with a 99% chance to hit will miss far more often than you think.

A shot with a 1% chance to hit will miss pretty much exactly as much as you think.

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reddthat.com

If any of it was reproducable it would science instead of pseudoscience

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Selenireply
lemmy.world

Although anyone who works in an ER will tell you the full moon is the busiest night; the occurrence rate of every issue but murder goes up.

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aussie.zone

My mother is a career nurse and swears by this and I’m inclined to believe her. I’d love to see if numbers actually back it up or whether it’s sort of confirmation bias.

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Not murder, but I'll be damned if as a teacher and parent kids aren't wackier during the full moon.

Also, sugar doesn't cause hyperactivity. Who ever doesn't think that can teach for me on Halloween

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feddit.uk

Cryptozoology. There are definitely creatures unknown to science. Dozens of new ones are discovered every day. Loch Ness monster - no. Unknown ape - possibly.

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lemmy.ml

Speaking of unknown animals. Unicorns could pretty much be real. Just imagine: We have horses, we have horned animals (even one-horned animals), it is not impossible that a horse-like animal with a horn exists.

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angrystegoreply
lemmy.world

And it's called a rhino! I do admit that I use the term horse-like rather broadly here.

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They are part of the same order (broad toed ungulates) and share a common ancestor, so they are certainly related

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I just know we'll find that damned Insulindian Phasmid soon

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lemmy.world

There are a fair few accounts in Tasmania about thylacines still existing. The lands are so rugged and harsh that there's not really any solid way to get in there and search. But I'll believe it, absolutely.

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absGeekNZreply
lemmy.nz

That is not really cryptozoology, a known real creature that we think is extinct, but if it's turns out to not be... Nothing weird here.

A lot different to claiming there is a loch Ness monster.

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Many people claim the Loch Ness monster is an animal thought to be extinct though. The thylacine is generally held to be a cryptid in my experience.

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I still like the thought that the Loch Ness monster was real, but died out. That legends grew from the real thing, and occasional real sightings, then popularized with more recent faked evidence.

Of course that doesn't mean it probably was real, just it might have been.

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lemmy.world

All electrical components contain magic smoke that was put into them at the time of manufacture. If that smoke is released, it doesn't work anymore.

Some broken or malfunctioning machinery respond to incantations projected with emotion. Cuss a machine hard enough and it will start working again.

Another one I've personally experienced, but don't know of any studies for: the main casting of machining equipment such as mills or lathes is a big crystal with unique properties. Each machine has different frequencies it resonates at when cutting. You can hear and feel the vibration when cutting and tune the machine/program for more efficient cutting and tool life. Sort of like taking a guitar that is out of tune and tuning it to a pleasant chord. Two identical machines will need different tunings. This tuning can change over time due to wear, temperature, humidity or maybe the phase of the moon.

Unrelated to machinery: there are mountain lions in the deep south in the deep woods. I had one check me out once. The state wildlife agency denies the modern existence of mountain lions and I didn't believe in them until I was face to face with one. I had to growl and hiss at it to convince it that I wasn't interesting.

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MunkyNuttsreply
lemmy.world

So that's what happened when I plugged my 120 V appliance into a 240 V outlet, I released the magic smoke.

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Yup. Unfortunately, once released, the magic smoke is gone and cannot be replaced.

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Christianreply
lemmy.ml

All electrical components contain magic smoke that was put into them at the time of manufacture. If that smoke is released, it doesn’t work anymore.

I love this.

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lemmy.world

I completely believe the mountain lions one. Wasn't the largest ever mountain lion just captured and tagged in Florida? It's not hard to believe a family or two migrated out of Florida into the rest of the South. The woods are so thick, it seems like a great place to live.

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Novel inbound. Don't think I've ever written this down.

I hadn't heard of the big mountain lion from Florida, I'll have to look into it. Nifty.

I have heard that the lions in Florida experienced a bad genetic bottleneck and are inbred and won't survive long term without intervention. There has been discussion about bringing in fresh breeding stock to try and help them, don't know if its been instituted.

I saw mine deep in the woods, about 10mi north of a place called Cougar Holler. (I heard about that holler after this.) I saw the cat in Skyline WMA in North Alabama. Was 2mi from a road, no trail, after dark, coming up the side of a holler.

On a flat spot up the side, almost to the top, I saw what looked like green headlights coming towards me. It was confusing because you couldn't even get a four wheeler in there and it was quiet. Realized it was eyes as it got closer, we were moving towards each other. Got to about 20 yards and realized it was a giant cat. LED lamp, so color isn't great/lot of green, but it looked like gold/tan fur and white belly. Its tail was proportionally shorter than a house cat and longer than a bobcat. End of the tail was squarish, almost tufted. Face was blocky and a little flatter than a common housecat. It was twice, maybe three times the size of a bobcat, so probably a juvenile.

The way it moved was like a snake slithering. It was up on a deadfall, and it kept sliding out of my light. It slid off the log towards me. At that point I drew my handgun and started growling and hissing. It stopped and stared at me and I kept moving towards it. It turned back the way it came and just casually slithered away. It wasn't afraid of me, just no longer interested.

I know bobcats and house cats. This was not that.

I will never, ever, forget its eyes or the way it moved. The entire event is burned into my memory. Adrenaline was up, but I wasn't scared, living in the moment, excited. Got the shakes when I made it back to my truck and sat down.

One of the peak experiences of my life.

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lemmy.world

Pretty sure lunar effect is a real, scientifically confirmed thing, just known by a different name. Perhaps not the full moon specifically, but we do oscillate according to the moon phase. It's called circalunar cycles. The name might sound familiar to circadian cycles because they both derive from the same word structure, ie circa-dia ("around a day") and circa-lunar ("around a month")

At minimum, I'm quite surprised that Wikipedia lists this as a pseudoscience, because my impression has generally been that circadian researchers acknowledge circalunar cycles as a given

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

A lot of these are adjacent to real observable phenomenon but a nutty belief system has been overlaid and then additional claims are made on the basis of that nutty belief system which are not observable.

For example, Feng Shui in practice is usually pretty sensible "where should I put the sofa" kind of stuff, but if you claim that it's about the flow of qi through your house and suggest that based on that not only should the sofa go over there, but you need to put a topiary vase on the table next to it, that might be a nice aesthetic touch but there's no evidence of qi.

Additionally there's plenty of Traditional Chinese Medicine that became actual medicine because it has observable properties. For example turmeric is a mild anti-inflammatory.

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angrystegoreply
lemmy.world

According to Feng Shui, cacti are not suitable as home plants. Ergo Feng Shui is evil.

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I mean, if you brush against their spikes every time you walk into the living room, you'd decry them as unsuitable too!

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We have come so far through the application of rationality and the scientific method. All the wonders of the modern world we owe to science.

What has pseudoscience bought us? Ignorance and stagnation.

I want to live in a world of technological progress not a “Demon Haunted World.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World

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aussie.zone

If it’s not provable by science, then I don’t believe it.

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sh.itjust.works

Science can't "prove" anything. It is more accurate to say that it reduces the level of uncertainty of hypotheses, but that uncertainty can never be reduced to exactly zero.

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Psiczarreply
aussie.zone

What is “zero” exactly? Scientists CAN prove unequivocally that the earth is a globe, there is no uncertainty and it is not an hypothesis.

Assuming “zero” is the number of people who don’t believe in an hypothesis, then I agree with you. Despite the overwhelming evidence there are people that believe the world is flat.

The beauty of science is you don’t have to believe in it for it to be real or true.

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sh.itjust.works

Scientists CAN prove unequivocally that the earth is a globe, there is no uncertainty and it is not an hypothesis.

Could be a weird confluence of spatial anomalies perfectly mimicking a "globe" to our tests. That's not very likely at all, but it's a non-zero uncertainty.

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Psiczarreply
aussie.zone

Of course, we could all be living in the matrix and nothing is real.

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Science cannot even prove itself as a method. Science is just spicy epistemology.

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lemmy.ml

The only pseudo science I believe is that one day I'll be happy. Even though I know i ll never be happy.

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That is neither science nor pseudoscience. I don't know your story, but there are scientific and pseudoscientific ways that might be able to make you happy one day.

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I kind of a little bit believe that dreams have some weird predictive ability. The scientist in me knows it's likely a mix of confirmation bias and information synthesis, but like... my family has a pretty strong history of dreaming about deaths and births a week or two prior to pregnancy announcements and right before/after deaths. My mom has had several dreams where a loved one has come and chatted with her in a dream and said goodbye, then later that day we learn they passed, for example. It's happened enough that I have a lot of trouble brushing it off. I've had a similar dream myself and it felt quite different from a normal sleep dream. That one was less paranormalish though, it was a friend who died a few years ago and showed up to give me some life advice. Just... hit me in a specific, indescribable way (it was good advice too).

Can't explain it. Don't really believe it's paranormal I guess, but I also don't disbelieve.

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i have that too, a lot. not just when people die though. it is quite different than just a random hallucination, because i get the feeling that an organized intelligence is actually having a plan and giving me specific information.

like, sometimes, i will have a dream that conveys something important to me, and then i will deliberately wake up in the middle of that dream in a way that makes me remember what i dreamed about, so i can write it down.

to make an example, just yesterday. i dreamed that an old school colleague of mine is in some sort of deep trouble. today, for the first time in 6 years, i get a text message from a close friend of his that asks me to meet up.

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Oh I believe in precognitive dreams, because I used to write down my dreams and had some that happened later. And I don't mean big things like deaths or pregnancies. I mean piddly details that meant nothing and can't have been foreseen. Once dreamed that I was at the local bank, three people were in line, I got on the scale they had there to weigh myself but the dial went backwards then I turned around and saw this girl Joann that I'd not seen since middle school. Wrote all this in the dream journal.

Couple of weeks later went to the bank. 3 people in line. I got on the scale but it was broken and said I weighed 30lb. I got off the scale and turned around, and yep, Joann from middle school, turns out she'd moved away but had moved back to town.

That's the one I remember and I would have just thought I had dejavu if I'd not written that dream down.

And honestly it pissed me off pretty bad. I want to believe in free will, that we can choose, that the future has not happened yet. The dreams kind of broke that.

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It's not impossible that for some reason you and your family have some sort of strong subconscious indications in your dreams. So maybe things that your subconscious has picked up manifest in dreams and if we're talking about predicting things that have been developing for a while like someone's death (old age or sickness) or pregnancy, it's not impossible that you subconsciously already knew it to a degree.

But confirmation bias abd memory synthesis is probably more likely.

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my mother was a new-ager and my father was an engineer. the amount of woo i got exposed to on a regular basis, and the amount of explanations on how it's bullshit, has pretty much inoculated me against it.

it's all about theory of work; questioning what would cause the ascribed effect.

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lemmy.world

I feel like the list is a mixed bag. There are things like flat earth, which are just against common sense, things like homeopathy, that sound promising to many people but were scientifically disproven many times.

And then there are many things that are mostly pseudoscience but can have some aspects that are true. For example aromatherapy is bullshit in general, but the smell of mint specifically was proven to have a beneficial effect on people's mood. And there could be more smelling efects we don't know about, so one day, we might witness the rise of a new science-based aromatherapy. Or Lysenkism - such a twisted terrible dark times for science! Such a disgrace, I always get angry just thinking about this totalitarian shit. But the Lamarckian evolution aspect is surprisingly not completely bullshit, as it turns out, now that we understand that genes are not the only vehicle for evolution and how things like epigenetics work. That's one point for Lamarck though, not for Lysenko.

Our decisions should be based on what was proven by science. That doesn't mean that's all there is. Otherwise we wouldn't need science anymore.

The list is very interesting, I've never heard of Minimum parking requirements and would definitely fall for that.

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The wording for the fad diet section bothered me. If benefits of calorie restriction and fasting aren't scientifically supported, why are their Wikipedia pages full of scientific research regarding their benefits?

Things like the actual uses of aromatherapy make me wonder what to call them. Maybe the word placebo applies, but I feel that there's a certain level of arbitrariness needed for that specific word.

There's something about aromas and the soft gestures of reiki that are pleasurable to us in a more objective sense. We don't like them simply because we've been told they're good for us; we like them because we like them. A waterfall will make most people feel good even you don't tell them it's good for them, so I don't feel it can be called a placebo effect. What is the term for a thing which isn't directly a medicine, but is medically beneficial by promoting a sense of wellbeing?

I don't think that laughter should be considered medicine in a literal sense because it would make the term too broad, but also because these things are at least somewhat subject to taste rather than the truly objective effects of drugs. A given drug might effect two people differently, but the difference is a matter of chemistry rather than the subject's opinion.

(Maybe it will all be the same someday when we've dialed in how everybody's brains work in exact detail and tailor treatments more specifically. Maybe we'll actually prescribe touching grass instead of suggesting it.)

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Love is a physical force, not just a human emotion.

Did I get that from Interstellar? Yes. Do I care? No.

Human life has meaning because we decide it does. That decision and that meaning are influenced by love, and the ensuing actions we take affect our physical environment.

Love takes energy and invokes acceleration of matter one way or the other. It’s a force.

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but then it's a social force, and social force can be turned into a physical force. I would say any cybernetician would agree with this. Social signals are part of the same system of physical signals. Then we can argue cybernetics is not science but rather its own paradigm, but that's a different conversation.

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pebblesreply
sh.itjust.works

I'm with this one. It feels less magical than "brains make consciousness happen."

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sh.itjust.works

Yeah it just makes sense. Everything has a little bit of consciousness in it, even subatomic particles would have a non-zero amount. But the consciousness of these particles then combine in complex and nonlinear ways. Something like, IDK, the combined consciousness of a collection of particles is proportional to their individual level taken to the n power, where n is equal to the number of particle interactions. Totally guessing on the actual math, but it would be something complex and nonlinear like that. If you could quantify consciousness, and humans had a measure of 1 consciousness unit, then the consciousness of an electron would be something like 1/Googolplex consciousness units. Something insane like that. Technically nonzero, but so small as to make an amoeba look like a intellectual giant.

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I would agree depending on how you see physics. I think there is no smallest unit, no fundamental, infinite big and small. So though size comparisons make relative sense, they don't describe relative complexity.

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lemmy.ml

Time probably isn't real.

I don't know what to do with that information. It's just a weird gut feeling.

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Listen up brother because im about to open your third eyes fourth eye. Time is a construct made up by the big clock industry to get us addicted to their minute munchers which is exactly why I stop looking at them.

I dont know what day or time it is. I'm pretty sure I haven't slept in 84 hours and I've never been more certain that I am absolutely terrified of everything.

Wake up.

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pebblesreply
sh.itjust.works

The more I learn the more time feels emergent and not required.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

That... actually makes a lot of sense. Time could just be an emergent property of entropy. The second law of thermodynamics (the sum of the entropies of the interacting thermodynamic systems never decreases) could then be applied to explain why time appears to only move in one direction.

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Seeing as the time axis doesn't seem special compared to spacial ones (especially in edge cases like black holes) I think time is just a perspective thing.

My take is that all particles must be moving at the speed of light through 4d space time. Everything always moves at the speed of causality, just not always in the direction you are looking from.

Do we know if the second law of thermodynamics is just a statistical thing? Does it work at extremely small scales? I know heat propagation could transfer from cold to hot. Its just so astronomically unlikely especially the more complicated the system gets.

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I've often thought that maybe time is like color or weight. Electromagnetic radiation exists, but color only exists as an idea in our heads, how we're perceiving and interpreting what does actually exist. Our weight is variable based on our mass and gravitational effects in our environment, rather than being an actual property that describes us. Is what you're saying about time potentially being an emergent property of entropy the same deal? Are color and weight emergent? (I'm asking both about the actual wording and also how analogous the ideas are.)

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Counterpoint:

Time IS real, but like all dimensiona of space it must be traversed in a direction. We can only experience it in a linear fashion, but as it can be traversed there must be a forward and backward (regardless of if we can access it or not). Ergo, predestination is real because all moments are happening simultaneously in different locations upon the time axis.

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Here's a twist I just came up with. We experience time passing, because we're sliding through it uncontrollably.

Imagine a sled sliding downhill. If you wanted to stay still in time, that would take active effort. It's like pushing against the sled to prevent it from sliding down. If you want to go back where you came from, it would take even more effort. It's like climbing uphill.

Also, I have zero evidence about any of this, which makes me 99% confident that time doesn't really work this way. It just sounds like an appealing concept that should be a foundation of a scifi novel.

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lemmy.ml

must be traversed in one direction

See that's the part I'm not so sure of. At least for all information transfer. Matter is likely too weighty to go against the current.

But time "feels" like a plane where traversal is just beyond my fingertips.

Or I'm just in the really early phases of dementia.

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lemmy.ml

I think it's like... in terms of time we're kind of '2D'. Like if you picture a dot on a sheet of paper, it can only move around the directions on that flat plane. That's time and velocity for us. if you go further up the X axis, you go less far along the Y axis, which is why time slows down the faster you go.

If you were somehow '3D' in time, it's be like if you lifted the pen off the paper, you could hop around all over the place or maybe even to a different sheet of paper entirely.

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lemmy.ml

Modern geocentrism

kinda. It's more that "center" of the universe can be picked completely arbitrarily. I can say I'm the center of the universe, and when I spin on my chair, the universe revolves around me. You can define the frame of reference however you wish to. The change of perspective does not change how orbits work.

Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

by that short definition sure, but probably not how they mean. If you're active at night, the amount of ambient light is surely going to impact your behavior. Not so much in areas with artificial lighting.

Memetics.

Insofar as there are self-replicating ideas, and the ones more likely to self-replicate become more prevalent...sure. Not the whole story either, as ideas can also be pushed by people that don't believe those ideas.

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lemmy.ml

Memetics is not really pseudoscience. It was science, there there were compelling evidence and arguemtns that ideas have no agency on their own, contrary to genes, and the whole field died for good.

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lemmy.ml

While genetic agency is often appropriated by reactionary politics, it's a quite established scientific perspective.

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lemmy.ml

I'm guessing "agency" in this case is being used in a way that's very specific to that area of research and not exactly how people use it in normal conversation?

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It's obviously an open topic of debate in philosophy, but genes have agency for some definition of agency.

In a cybernetic sense, they have agency in the sense that the information within them transforms the world way more than the world affects their information. They are more players than chessboard.

For people like Dennet, which I'm not necessarily a fan of, you can think of agency (and therefore freedom) as the ability of any unit of matter to prevent its dissolution in the face of threats. Life can be framed as a strategy of DNA to reproduce itself in the face of entropy. That is agency.

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lemmy.ml

Does a grain of sand have agency? Does it want to be caught by a specific size of classification sieve?

Because that's exactly the level of agency that drives natural selection.

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Agency is not will though. For sure genes have no will and neither does sand

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"center" of the universe can be picked completely arbitrarily.

IIRC there are still theories within the scientific community of the universe being non-homogenous and roughly geocentric. Usually (when I've come across them) presumed to be incorrect, but still possible in a, "huh, that would explain the data that we can't otherwise explain" way.

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Like you, I ain't reading the list.

However, I'm not dismissive of stuff that's woowoo, but the stuff you listed has pretty much been shown to be nothing better than placebo effects, with the partial exception of the cycles of some things in nature matching the moon. But it isn't about the phase, per se (at least, the last serious publication I saw on it indicated it wasn't).

Thing is, woowoo placebo effect isn't a fake thing. Hence me not being dismissive. If something A: helps get someone through shit, B: doesn't hurt anyone, and C: isn't being used by someone as a tool to manipulate, it ain't my business to correct anyone.

Some shit, like acupressure has benefits beyond the placebo, even though it isn't for the claimed reasons. When stuff like that works, it's very often the touch itself combined with the idea it will help that makes it effective enough to be worth keeping around.

But, with that kind of thing, that's only okay if it's conjunction with evidence based beat practices. That's when woowoo really shines. To help someone decrease stress, handle the horrible, and get through another day. Because it really does help in that regard.

See, it's known that religion serves that purpose. It's a psychological coping tool in one of its aspects. It doesn't matter if the same effect happens because of faith in a deity or not. It's that we can, to a limited degree, improve our selves by how our minds are functioning. So, if someone gets through their divorce, or being sick, or grieving by burning incense and playing with pretty rocks, IDGAF, I'll lie to their face and tell them that it's great, as long as they're also working on whatever it is more holistically with something evidence based.

Even then, I'd just try to convince them to add to, not abandon.

That being said, I wish some of that shit worked. It would be so fucking nice.

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It is impossible to communicate pain effectively. Pseudoscience acceptance causes harm because it greys the line when situations are high risk and complicated. I am quite literally collateral damage with my entire life thrown away in this grey area. Not offended at you, just saying it is not harmless.

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lemmy.world

I think that currently society is too polar about this issue. A lot of so-called pseudoscience have a lot of anecdotal evidence that should be taken into consideration and don't have a lot of science to deny them. On the other hand a lot of them do have that so there is an issue where there's a lot of people who believe a lot of different pseudosciences because some of them genuinely seem to have results but the people who go explicitly by scientific research sometimes can group all of these together. For example, homeopathy is obviously bullshit, and there is a ton of scientific research that shows that. But, for example, a lot of Chinese medicine, which has no scientific backing, does seem to have a lot of anecdotal and historical evidence that suggests that if science does look into it, they might find some actual results.

I don't know what lunar effect is, but the description you gave sounds very plausible. Like, why wouldn't a full moon affect the behavior of humans and other animals? How it affects them? To what degree? Sure, that's debatable. But generally affecting them, that sounds reasonable. It's a significant change in the night. It lights up the night more and It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that some animals might use it as time management indicators that might relate to biological cycles.

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Right. There's a mix in lots of ideas, of interpreting real evidence and experience, and of making up rubbish to sell things. And just of building too big of a theory off minimal data and putting too much trust in it.

So, moonlight being a major factor to change your behaviour to evil or crazy, is presumably nonsense. But, as you say, moonlit nights affecting human behaviour, such as having social events on a moonlit night, or even working later in the fields those nights, is obvious.

And the phase of the moon causing programming bugs? Absolutely real. There's one or two documented cases.

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Kit
lemmy.blahaj.zone

I believe that acupressure, meditation, reiki, etc. can actually help ease some chronic issues in the same way that a placebo drug does. The mind believes that it should feel less pain, anxiety, depression, etc so it does - to an extent. Afterall, if stress is harmful to our health then relaxation must be helpful.

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I think meditation has scientifically proven effects. One thing I keep hearing is that the slow concious breaths you take whilst meditating are signaling your nervous system that you are safe and can calm down.

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Meditation and mindfulness absolutely have scientifically proven effects.

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lemmy.ml

I subscribe to historical materialism, which is apparently a pseudoscience according to that Wikipedia article.

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strayreply
pawb.social

Karl Marx stated that technological development can change the modes of production over time. This change in the mode of production inevitably encourages changes to a society's economic system.

I dunno, man, that doesn't sound too crazy. I'm in a really bad condition for learning new things right now, and I can't even figure out what claims this idea would be making. It sounds like it's just describing a process of advancement and the types of conflicts that arise?

I'm finding this especially hard to grasp because my brain's on a tangent about how you'd really go about falsifying most stuff in history or sociology. You gonna put a bunch of people in a series of jars with carefully controlled conditions for hundreds of years and observe the results? Like we have this piece of paper from 1700 that says Jimothy won the big game, but our understanding of this guy and his alleged win of this supposed game are totally vibes-based because we don't have a time machine. I think like the best you can do is try to base your beliefs and claims off things that have been observed repeatedly, but does that make these kinds of topics unscientific? We test what we can and go with our best guess for what we can't, right? This is going to bother me.

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I'm too lazy and tired to go into it at the moment, so I'm just going to paste this infographic explaining the relationship between the material base and ideological superstructure.

To the falsifiability point, while I can't say a lot without knowing the specifics that Popper argued, historical materialism (and dialectical materialism, the way of understanding the world historical materialism comes from) don't on the surface make much sense trying to attack from a falsifiability angle. While one could attempt to disprove, say, the extraction of surplus value through profit or the tendency of the rate of profit to fall being properties of capitalism (these are claims about the world that can conceivably be true or false), dialectical/historical materialism is the tool used to analyze the world, attempt to change the world based on the understanding from that analysis, incorporate the lessons learned from those attempts (be they failed or successful) into one's understanding of the world, and repeat. It's basically a way of gaining knowledge about the world, as well as an explanation of how people get knowledge.

Again, I'd have to check out Popper's full argument for the specifics, but I don't know how one can make assertions about the falsifiability of what is basically an epistemology without committing some kind of category error.

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lemm.ee

why not go full panpsychic it actually makes even more sense and has been seriously studied for millenia

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I do suspect Qi is a useful abstract concept for focusing and activating parts of our physiology. But while it feels like a single thing ("energy"), it is more a very complex bunch of processes the same way our consciousness feels like a single thing, but is actually a very complex bunch of processes.

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lemm.ee

Before she passed my Nan had chronic arthritis. She had many joint replacements (both hips, a knee, shoulder, pins in her wrists etc) and without medication life was a misery.

One thing she said gave her genuine relief was acupuncture, and she wasn't into pseudoscience at all. Maybe is was a placebo effect and it was expensive but it was worthwhile for her.

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I've heard a few people say acupuncture has helped them. And saw an interesting thread on Lemmy or Reddit sometime with people citing papers against each other that it's evidenced or not.

My guess so far is that it genuinely helps sometimes - perhaps via the nervous system, which is something scientific medicine still knows little about (compared to many other areas of medicine) - but some practitioners do it well and others not, and sometimes it works and sometimes not, and without scientific analysis and regulation it's hard to know which.

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lemmy.ml

Not sure either of these counts fully as what OP is looking for, but -

The idea of the technological singularity feels right to me. There's a whole section on the wikipedia page about scientific objections to it, and I get that, but if we don't kill ourselves before then, it seems like an event that almost has to occur at some point, to me. And maybe it zigs instead of zags and we get star trek. Or maybe it zags and we get terminator. But probably neither of those I'm guessing, and these days it's hard to imagine that it would put humanity on a worse trajectory than we seem to be on today.

Similarly, but less seriously (for me) I like to consider the whole "maybe we're in a simulation" theory.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Yeah I kinda adhere to the simulation thing too. As a videogames programmer, every time I try to learn about quantum mechanics I learn about some new quirk that really makes it sound like some game engine limitation

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when I like to gain perspective and imagine how useless we are on this meaningless little planet in a massive galaxy universe etc I just imagine the lonely little Boltzmann brain that's actually just imagining the whole thing for a few nanoseconds before it returns back to quantum foam

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I thought you were going to say

As a videogames programmer, it is natural to me to consider myself as a character in some video game.

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Uff, i have a lot:

Life on earth is a huge organized organism. It created intelligent humans deliberately sothat we can spread life to other planets. Living beings (plants, insects, other animals, fungi) could not do that otherwise.

All life is sentient. Sentience doesn't come from the brain, rather it comes from the hormones in your bloodstream. When we sweat, these hormones enter the air (apparently within the fraction of a second) and other people can smell them. That is how we can instinctually know how others are feeling.


Also i have a lot of mythology:

Heaven (realm of all ideas, knowledge and forms) and Earth (origin of mass and material) are a love pair. Because they couldn't easily meet (there was an insurmountable gap between them), they created a bridge, which is life. This way, heaven supplies the shape (genes), and Earth supplies the body, and these two can be together in this way.

Viruses are books. They have a cover (shell) and contain scripture (RNA/DNA). We humans let them in because they are nature's messengers and have a specific purpose, which is to exchange some information.

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sry i'm too tired rn

maybe another time :D

here's a short summary:

plants produce life out of the four elements (water, air, sunlight, earth), so they are producers of life. animals/fungus are consumers of such life (they eat fruit) and decompose it into urine, air, shit, and heat/energy. so it goes full-circle.

what, however - you may ask -, is in it for the plants? why produce food only for animals to eat it? it is because the plants get something for it, and that is that animals transport the seed in the fruit around and drop it somewhere far away. so plants get movement or transport from the animals. and that advantage is, in fact, large enough for the plants for it to even bother producing food in the first place. so quite big. that's not really pseudoscience btw, more real biology done by real biologists, but still interesting :D

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Feng Shui, though I mostly credit it to the Dear Modern channel breaking the concept of qi and energy down into stuff like human traffic flow, activities, scenery, and noise, and using that to optimize spaces for comfort. It's mostly psychology, and some of the superstitious stuff I'm not really into.

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lemm.ee

I really want to believe the Assassin's Creed concept that our DNA holds memories from our ancestors.

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ITT: very little pseudoscience. It's pseudoscience only when you try to pass something non-scientific as science (understood in the modernist sense). There are plenty of systems of knowledge that are outside of science and don't really care about passing as science when making statements about the world: metaphysics, theology, cybernetics, open systems theory, and so forth. Those are not pseudosciences.

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I believe that literally every esotheric and nonesotheric bullshit is more trustworthy than everything a politician says at any given moment.

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Definitely the lunar effect, but that is still under study. There's a documentary called "The Shark Side of the Moon" which follows a scientist trying to prove a lunar effect on sharks. There's also some inconclusive evidence of a lunar effect on people with bipolar disorder; the full moon might trigger mania, probably due to excess light during nighttime. Context: >!People with bipolar disorder (known as 'manic depression' years ago) are very sensitive to light, substances, and many other things that can trigger manic or depressive episodes for them. The possible mania under the full moon may be a reason behind myths like werewolves and terms like 'lunatic'.!<

I'll edit if I find more.

Edit: I found another one which I would easily try or suggest to others if evidence-based therapies have failed.

Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR) is a form of psychotherapy in which the person being treated is asked to recall distressing images; the therapist then directs the person in one type of bilateral sensory input, such as side-to-side eye movements or hand tapping. It is included in several guidelines for the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Some clinical psychologists have argued that the eye movements do not add anything above imagery exposure and characterize its promotion and use as pseudoscience.

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sh.itjust.works

Osteopathy.

I thought it was scientifically proven, it seems that's not the case 😬

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Tell that to my back/arm pain I had for months after a Ski accident... After 4 session and one good knack I literally felt how everything got back in place.

I felt so exhausted and somehow strange like a little bit drunk... But after a few weeks the pain went away ! Like magic !

So yeah, science can't prove everything but that doesn't mean it doesn't work or has some positive benefits ! Science has also been wrong numerous times or has been controlled by conflict of interests... What ever, choose your poison !

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sh.itjust.works

Acupuncture, to a certain extent. There's obviously something to it (a friend of mine went there because of various issues, and it helped), but the actual science isn't nailed down yet.

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My insurance pays for it which I find shocking. I do find it helpful whether it's placebo or something else, and since it's covered I do it.

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Mind-body. That you can think yourself sick, or well. Not like magic, but a lot of the time. Like how people won't get sick until vacation a lot of the time, they say "don't have time to get sick" so then on the day off, the mind tells the body "ok now you have time!". All of my kids were born on a day off or weekend, same thing in a way. And once I read a book where the protagonist' hands were burned, very vividly described, and got blisters on my fingertips.

I just really believe a lot of physical illness, and health, comes from thinking.

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I like all the ones you listed and I love “woowoomancer” as a description. Other than those, I have a good feel for future sight.

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lemmy.ml

That wiki article is very biased.

It also has problems distinguishing pseudo medicine (proven not to work) from alternative medicine (not conclusively proved or disproved).

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lemmy.world

Once something works, we call it medicine. There's no such thing as "alternative medicine".

Even if it's weird, or comes from popular knowledge, or disrupts the profits of a pharmaceutical company - if it's proven to work, it's medicine.

Modern doctors are using fish skin to combat burns, maggots against necrosis, electroshock therapy for depression.

The things that need the "alternative" qualifier before the word "medicine" are the ones that do nothing but extract your money.

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lemmy.ml

I'm not sure what are you trying to tell me.

That you agree with me that "alternative medicine = not proven to work, but I'm wrong somehow"?

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I think you sorted things into three types of medicine:

[ pseudo, alternative, modern/mainstream ]

I think he believes that most things you put into the alternative category have already been mostly studied; those being not proved or disproved to work.

I think the that some issue here comes from the fact that conspiracy theorists / other (for lack of an agreed upon modifier) medicine gurus may have used the argument that some medicines aren’t proven to be bad yet as a way to give them legitimacy.

Whether or not other medicine is good for you should be be studied and determined to be medicine or not. Until then we can’t say anything about its efficacy. But there can be carry on effects: protein powder was found to have heavy metals, is protein powder good? Maybe in certain circumstances, but concentrating a given substance can have unintended consequences when not properly analyzed.

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lemmy.world

If your definition is that something can be called "alternative medicine" simply because we have no proof if it works or not, my magic stick that heals all wounds is alternative medicine.

What? There are no studies proving it doesn't work... and no, I won't let you touch it. But it's alternative medicine!

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lemmy.ml

That's literally alternative medicine defined as per well, science. And you being silly doesn't take from it. In the past, viruses were considered alternative medicine (quackery even), until they were proven to exist and work as in theory.

If you hit someone with a stick and that person gets cured of cold, it's alternative medicine (you suspect there's correlation or causation, and repeating the treatment during other incidents tends to have similar effect, i.e. when you hit more people they also get cured). When it's proven that there's causation between your action and the cure, then it's medicine.

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lemmy.world

There's no scientific definition of alternative medicine, it's not a real category.

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Ah, that explains why you think popular definitions are somehow scientific.

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Goodness, that's a lot to read.

I don't know if I believe any of them with actual faith instead of just chalking coincidental things up to some beliefs like that. The Lunar phase one comes to mind as something I'll often reference, but I don't actually believe in lunacy.

However, there's one about grounding methods in the health section. I definitely don't believe there's anything about elecron alignment or whatever bull that all is. But being on the ground helps me a lot with anxiety and relaxation in general. To the point where I prefer sitting in front of my couch vs on it, lol. So maybe I believe in that one, but not in any pseudoscience way??

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I work in 911 dispatch, and I don't have hard stats to back it up, I'm not even really sure how it could be objectively measured, and I'm sure I have a whole lot of bias and such, but I'm pretty sure everyone I work with agrees that we just get weirder calls on full moons.

Not necessarily busier, or more severe, there's just a certain something that's hard to explain about a lot of our callers that seems to get a little strange on a full moon.

It's not something we're actively keeping track of, it's not like we have a reminder set on our phones for the full moon, but when we have one of those nights where everything just seems to be a little off and we check the moon phase, it seems like it's full or nearly full more often than not.

Although personally I think we see a bigger difference for a couple days after the clocks change for daylight savings time. My pet theory on that is it throws people's medication schedules off by an hour and it takes them a few days to readjust. Plus throwing off sleep schedules, and dementia patients who sundown may be up and acting up at a time they would otherwise be asleep.

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If you know the future you should be doing good with this power! There's so many things we need to stop before they happen, falling down stairs, health conditions, the questions we're gonna be asked in court!

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The full moon does something to people's brains and makes them act weirder than usual.

There's been more than one time when I've been out and thought people were driving crazier than usual or people on the bus were being more psycho than they normally are, and I've looked it up and it's been within like 2 days of the full moon on either side.

People are ~70% water and the moon does move the entire ocean around, so maybe it's something to do with that?

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That's a long list I've only skimmed it and I didn't find the theory I like most, the stoned ape theory. That belief that some distant ancestors ate some shrooms and discovered art and a higher state of mind. I've taken a microdose a little too high and my vision was like an impressionist painting for a few moments and it made me so happy because Monet and Van Gogh now made absolute sense.

It might be a little too convenient but I think it works and it's really sweet.

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I've had good luck with acupuncture. In one extreme case it fixed my bell palsy months faster that the doctor said it would heal.

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lemmy.ml

I've kinda made up my own pseudo science that astrology is real. However, it has nothing to do with the location of the stars when you are born.

Instead, the time of year when you are born affects your personality for life. Think about it: babies born in winter and constantly being wrapped in blankets and mostly isolated from others except around the holidays. Babies born in summer wear light clothing, and are more likely to have encounters with others, perhaps causing them to be more social later in life.

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lemmy.ml

I was born in summer, unfortunately I’m the exception to that rule

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Actually, me too. Leos are supposed to be outgoing, but I'm usually not. Eh, exceptions prove the rules, right?

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lemm.ee

I try to follow truth whenever it leads, I guess the closest was when I was younger and wanted dragons to be real, but I didn't really believe it.

Acupuncture isn't a pseudoscience, anyway, it's science. It has been actually proved to work.

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lemmy.world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture

Acupuncture[b] is a form of alternative medicine[2] and a component of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) in which thin needles are inserted into the body.[3] Acupuncture is a pseudoscience;[4][5] the theories and practices of TCM are not based on scientific knowledge,[6] and it has been characterized as quackery.[c]

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In the Cambridge International AS and A Level coursebook it says that there is scientific evidence for acupuncture.

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