Trump says US will not make Ukraine security guarantees ‘beyond very much’ and Kyiv can ‘forget about’ joining Nato
Donald Trump, at his first cabinet meeting, said he believed the US is negotiating “very successfully” with Russia and Ukraine.
The US president suggested that a ceasefire deal is close. “We’re going to make a deal with Russia and Ukraine to stop killing people,” he told reporters.
Asked if he is willing to make security guarantees as part of the deal, Trump replied:
I’m not going to make security guarantees beyond very much … We’re going to have Europe do that, because Europe is the next door neighbour.
He added that the US will be partnering with Ukraine “in terms of rare earth.” “We very much need rare earth, they have great rare earth,” Trump said.
Trump said it was “great deal for Ukraine too, because they get us over there, we are going to be working over there”.
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"They have great rare earth"
What a dumb fuck.
He talks like a very stupid root vegetable.
I could see how rare earth might be good for a root vegetable, at least.
I prefer root vegetables cooked medium (carrots) to well done (potatoes). Greens are excellent rare, though.
Made me chuckle, thanks
Maybe he was referring to this, though he's Canadian (the son of astronaut Chris Hadfield, though great in his own right).
I get the impression Trump has no clue what’s going on. He’s just just regurgitating bullet points that someone—probably Putin—put in large print on a piece of paper.
That's what he's always done.
He has the attention span of a toddler. He latches onto ideas, and specifically things that will satisfy his ego, his greed or his lust, with a laser focus, for exactly and only so long as they manage to hold his attention.
And at the same time, he has essentially no conception of objective truth. It's not quite that he lives in a fantasy world as that his need to satisfy his ego, greed and/or lust is so much his focus that everything else pales in comparison, including truth.
So he essentially sincerely says whatever he thinks will serve to accomplish whatever it is that he's focused on at the moment. It's not so much that he lies as that he doesn't really make a distinction between truth and lies. The only meaningful measure of a claim is whether or not it will serve his goals.
And all of that means that a smart, canny and manipulative man - Putin, for instance - can get him pointed in whatever direction he wants by feeding him the right bait and the right bullet points to go along with it.
Been saying this for years. The man literally can't tell a lie, everything that comes out of his mouth is the truth. I don't think many people have been around someone that's full-on Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
And yes, once you figure out that's his disorder, he's as easy to manipulate as a toddler. Also been saying since he won the election, his handlers are in charge this time and it couldn't be more obvious. Look at his Truth Social posts for one example. They're far more clear and focused, easily written by someone imitating him. Any one of us could do it.
Exactly. This became very obvious after his meeting with Russia, he just started repeating their talking points without any critique. He has zero plan or strategy, just chasing feelings and vibes to feed his giant ego.
Krasnov does what he is TOLD.
Zelenskyy, it's a trap! Trump does not give a shit about Ukraine!
I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that Zelenskyy probably isn't stupid enough to not be aware of that already.
Considering Zelenskyy said out loud that Trump lives in a disinformation bubble, it's a safe bet that he's aware.
At this point he's probably just buying time. He knows the US will abandon them, but probably needs to give the EU time to sort out their finances.
Zelenskyy would probably get more support from his people if he told trump to get fucked than by being his dancing monkey. I know he's desperately trying to do what's best for Ukraine, but sucking up to that piece of shit isn't it.
Oh how I wish this was true but a lot of Ukrainians are so weary they really just want the war to end and are frustrated with Zelensky. Believe me not everyone has the moral high ground or integrity, many, many just want him to make any kind of deal, no matter how big the insult and humiliation are.
("Moral high ground" and "integrity" are very heavy words in this context. Right now, after just watching the argument, I am a bit speechless and can't find better words. But please know that I do not want to refer to these people as having no integrity, morals, ideals, etc. They are desperate and have lost so much I can't even put it in words.)
That's a good point and thanks for the perspective. Of course I don't know what it's like for anyone in Ukraine at the moment, and I can understand the desperation. But trump is a thug, and a wannabe gangster. He will burn all of Ukraine if he thinks it will benefit him. His word is worthless, and so is any deal with the US. Every world leader knows that, it's just so frustrating that none will stand up and say it, they just keep treating him like a legitimate president when he's so clearly not.
Trump trades alliances for slogans; NATO isn’t a casino, and Ukraine isn’t a poker chip.
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Unfortunately, most Americans either support this moron or just don't care.
I'm sorry. We're a very broken society.
I'm beginning to suspect that US society is so insane, that people go insane living there.
The stress from the constant lies and gaslighting, and the pressure of poor health and social services, the bigotry and discrimination, and a fundamentally flawed democracy. I seriously think these things combined make people crazy. There is no country I know of, that have such a degree of outright insane politicians.
There are also stellar Americans, that are world class good people, but unfortunately good people are a minority, and it must be hell for them right now.
Seems to me USA may be the worst society to live in now, among all developed countries.
It varies wildly depending on where you live. Remember that the US is a huge country.
Yes, exactly. Although you also must understand the US is the size of Europe and is about 3/4th it's population. The differences between California, Florida and Texas are as wide as Germany, Greece and Poland (maybe not culturally but... Actually no, fuck it, yes even culturally lol).
The biggest problem is, on paper our federal government should be closer in power to your E.U. but in practice, 200 years have expanded feds and now we're in a hostage situation. Imagine your own neighboring countries having 80% control over your country for 4-8 years every 4-8 years; it's fucking awful. Oh, it's Greece's turn to run the economy? Fucking great.
Absolutely, although I'm disappointed UK chose Brexit, I very much favor their right to do so. I believe the ability to leave helps prevent EU overreach.
Yeah, sounds about right.
good times make for weak men.
That's the funny thing. Times are hard as shit - but we're stuck with all these weak ass greedy boomers.
The boomers grew up in good times.
Also with lots of lead.
got close once.
Not the first time Melania was disappointed by two inches.
So why should anyone listen to what the US says anyway?
As for NATO membership in particular, all NATO members need to accept new members...
But the EU has a similar clause to help with military invasions, so the US support isn't strictly needed for security.
NATO will not see any new members again.
the Alliance is more or less defunct as there are trojan horses in it like Hungary, and America's refusal to honor Article 5 is an open secret now.
And there is no provision to remove a
moremember from NATO.You can remove a member by all leaving and forming NATO 2 and not accepting the member they wanted to remove.
NewTO
NATOO
What nations should they listen to instead?
Their own mostly. Countries don't have country buddies.
The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US' "guarantee", when they've been nothing but untrustworthy.
And people's lives are not toys. I get the sentiment behind wanting less people to die. But Trump and Putin do think people's lives are toys, so I can't imagine the outcome of this being beneficial in any way to Ukraine.
the reason they gave up their nuclear weapons was that it was an expensive and cumbersome responsibility that they had no practical use for outside of dirty bombs and terrorist tactics, as they didnt have the means to launch the missiles.
an often forgotten bit of information too, is that during this time, the USA was NOT friendly with Ukraine, the US Government did not Trust Ukraine an inch, and was not going to tolerate them to have nuclear weapons.
in 1991 the world went from having like 7 Nuclear states, to 10 all in the blink of an eye. and the 7 who were there before, wanted the new crowd removed immediatley from the club
The world treated the Russian Federation as if it was the replacement for the USSR, and Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan were not going to be tolerated keeping these weapons, if they did, they would have been treated like North Korea or Iran.
Wait till they see how expensive and cumbersome fighting a war is...
What do you have to say about Ukrainians setting up defenses other than nukes?
I dont think the Ukrainians in 1991 thought that Russia was going to launch a full scale invasion against them in 2022.
even though they were seperate countries and nations, with a rocky history. Russia, Ukraine and Belarus mutually agreed to leave the Soviet Union as independent entities. I dont think they were anticipating a fascist heel turn in Russia so soon. Remember it was the Drunk Yeltsin in power at that time, Putin didnt come into the picture for another 5-8 years
Or maybe they play along hoping the next US election cycle allows them to join NATO.
He's gonna get the rare earth minerals deal, and then immediately go back on his word. This guy hasn't told the truth his entire life. Why would he suddenly start now?
Seems like the US has no leverage if we're not offering anything.
The leverage is whatever they expect to happen if they are left to Russian interests
"Art of the Deal"
Ukraine wouldn’t last long with US support.
If US can't guarantee, then sell the raw earth to the EU instead or china, india.
The US has already devalued being a member of NATO.
The Blowback season for Ukraine is going to be great 👍
Would you like to clarify what you mean by this?
https://blowback.show/ A podcast by Brendan James and Noah Kulwin on US Foreign Policy. All their info is sourced and can be found on the website for each season. Can be found for free wherever you get your podcasts from
https://blowback.show/Season-1 - The invasion of Iraq in 2003 constitutes the greatest crime of the 21st century.
https://blowback.show/Season-2 - After a critically-acclaimed retelling of the Iraq War, season two of Blowback presents the unlikely story of the Cuban Revolution:
https://blowback.show/Season-3 - After covering the Iraq War and the Cuban Revolution, in season three Blowback co-hosts Brendan James and Noah Kulwin now turn to the Korean War.
https://blowback.show/Season-4 - After covering the Iraq War, the Cuban Revolution, and the Korean War, in season 4 the Blowback co-hosts Brendan James and Noah Kulwin now turn to Afghanistan
Season 5 on Cambodia is not out yet
What a lovely duo. About what I was expecting considering the podcast's name.
Russia has been doing the things people Hate America for, longer than America has existed. the only reason people turn a blind eye to it is because they are used to thinking of Russia as this huge country with all this territory. And not as a Country that wages war all over the corners of the world because they dont have force projection
there are hundreds of millions of people in the world who feel the same way about Russia as contemporary people feel about America since the end of WW2... Except they exist along Russias borders and not scattered across the planet like Central America, Iraq, Libya and Vietnam.
Russia murdered, raped, pillaged, and genocided its way into where it is, Russia is a prison of nations.
I know a great podcast you would like. It is called CNN.
Sorry that I think Ukrainian genocide is bad. I know that's a radical opinion on the performative left.
Obviously Russia's Genocide of Ukraine is bad. That's not up for debate.
Until the question of doing anything about it comes up, in which case it very quickly turns to "Well, suddenly I'm a fiscal conservative" or "Russia has Legitimate Security Interests 🥺"
"Genocide bad, but we can't actually do anything that might fight it!"
Isn't that the exact position you criticized mainstream Dems for, just on Palestine?
Thinking it is bad is fine. The author of the Tweets even agrees with you in the screenshot you posted.
But America is not helping Ukraine. It used Ukraine as a tool. Now that Ukraine is at its lowest point America starts extorting Ukraine.
If this outcome (which many leftists correctly predicted) was known to Ukrainians three years ago, do you think Ukrainians would have been as enthusiastic to fight? So America can put a straw in their ground, and slurp up their minerals to fund Raytheon.
"We predicted that we were going to help the GOP elect a Russian puppeted fascist three years ago, because NEOLIBS are worse than fascists, and the lives of minorities and foreigners don't matter ^.^ "
Quite a prediction from 'many leftists'.
Do I think Ukrainians would have been as enthusiastic about not being genocided if America wasn't supporting them?
Yes. Most people who aren't ghouls think that.
Looks like Season 5 came out also.
Did anyone expect anything else from Krasnov?
Ukraine is going to renuclearize
No, it’s not.
Right. Germany, Poland, Italy and Ukraine are. And the EU is going to federalise
The EU is more likely to dissolve than to federalize.
Of course not. That would be against Putins commands.
Hey France, you wanna dominate europe and soon also the world again? Comon who than to do it better than with your old pal germany. This time we are the good guys. Democracy, security, peace and justice! - germany
Well, not necessarily encrypted messaging security, https://www.intelligenceonline.com/government-intelligence/2025/01/30/france-makes-new-push-for-backdoors-into-encrypted-messaging-apps,110369896-art
That being said, yes, a stronger EU is better for the whole world. I hate that Trump is becoming the impetus for that.
Trump and Pooting. Helping the EU grow larger and breaking their chains of Dependance
France is still colonizing Africa.
No worries, Macron has been working very hard to put an end to Françafrique and it is already mostly over :)
I though trump was going to pull the US out of Nato?
Yeah, I wonder if they could kick the US out.
Will the rare earth they send us be in a bucket? Like a paint bucket? Or even more rare like in a small envelope? Will it also be strange? Rare and strange? Or rare and weird? So many chooses!