Fellow expert speaking: Their problem was that they should have been watching 74 Gear. He ends every single video with, "Until then, keep the blue side up." I'm honestly a little bit excited to see how he addresses it when he starts out the video about the time they forgot to keep the blue side up.
I keep seeing people say that and I can't figure out what video they are watching. This video clearly shows the right rear landing gear touching down first and immediately collapsing.
Well, there are a lot of these jets going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don't want people thinking that jets aren't safe.
Yeah. Been stuck at LAX for the past 6 hours waiting for my second flight. The first plane we boarded here had to be brought back for maintenance to deal with a "funny noise" coming from the landing gear. Bullet dodged successfully! So far...
It looks like this is being filmed from another aircraft (big pillar in the middle of the window). Why was this pilot filming, it seems like they'd see planes landing all the time so was there something special about the landing - bad weather perhaps ..
No one said you used the video to estimate, I just assumed that no one would be stupid enough to think that a weather website can tell you the windspeed of that particular gust at that particular location.
The pilot was experiencing the weather because he was physically there in person, not watching a video.
I'm genuinely curious to know why do you think the pilot was filming?
The way the nose and tail jiggle when it hits the ground looks like a hard landing, but the glide slope isn’t that crazy. I’m betting it was a freak gust that stalled the right wing just after the flare, causing the right gear to collapse.
knowing how much planes weigh... and I have only been in a plane a few times, but does that not look like it slams down way too hard? feels like coming down that fast could break the landing gear.
Yeah, they usually don’t jiggle like that. However, the plane was very stable prior to that and on what looks like a normal glide slope.
One thing I just learned is that there was a pretty stiff crosswind, so they had to yaw to the left to straighten out. This normally means the right wing gets a bit more lift so you compensate with right stick to keep it level.
A wind gust at the right time would have caused the wing to not gain lift and the aileron correction could have sent the wing into the ground.
From what I remember the wing joint is one of the strongest on an aircraft being that’s where all the lift forces from the wing transfer to the fuselage. I remember watching wing stress tests and it was frightening how much that joint would flex before it failed. Of course it rolling like that is way more force. I also imagine there wasn’t a huge amount of fuel left if it was landing at the end of a normal flight. But yes I’d still say that was a good thing.
A YouTuber and pilot “Mentour now” talked about the crash and yeah, it was very lucky the wings separated from the plane. Leaving all the fuel and fire behind.
I reckon not because they are flying visually by the time they reach the minima. I do like the theory of them not seeing the runway with it being so white with snow, but then don't they have RADALT counting down their height?
Eh, speculation feels almost conspiratorial with what little info we have. The ntsb will figure out the last time the captain farted and whether that had any effect on the crash, so I'll just wait for their report.
Looking at it, fortunately it looks like there was just enough time for anyone without a seatbelt to put it on instinctively, before the plane rolled over.
A spectacular response by YYZ's emergency crew in snowy conditions.
Man, I don’t know why but I assumed it flipped forward to land upside down like that truck in The Dark Knight. Could not fathom how people survived. Still hard to imagine how nobody died, but I was picturing it so differently.
People like to hang out at airport viewing areas to watch planes land, and some film them. It’s fun. I’ve done it a few of times, though admittedly I didn’t film them.
Edit: Though actually this is filmed from another aircraft, it seems. Maybe filming because of how bad the conditions were? Not sure.
New head of the FAA over here!
Too qualified.
They'll be let go next week.
Chief pilot, Mjr. Poopington
Fellow expert speaking: Their problem was that they should have been watching 74 Gear. He ends every single video with, "Until then, keep the blue side up." I'm honestly a little bit excited to see how he addresses it when he starts out the video about the time they forgot to keep the blue side up.
I have once seen half asleep an episode of Mayday. I can confirm that these two are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
lol OPs know we need to wait for Hoover at Pilot Debrief too.
And to be even more actually serious, Blancolirio has a video about this out now with a good plausible explanation.
I read this in Norm Macdonald's voice. Thank you for the chuckle
I read it in Kelsey's voice, and then after your comment I re-read it in Norm's voice.
Thanks for that.
I should watch the Norm Show again. So good
The front fell off.
Until the plane touches ground it looks like a normal landing, crazy. So glad no one died.
It’s exactly what I hope happens in the US. Everyone survives, but the right wing explodes.
...be the change...
All three wheels touched down at the same time. Not supposed to happen like that.
I keep seeing people say that and I can't figure out what video they are watching. This video clearly shows the right rear landing gear touching down first and immediately collapsing.
Probably cuZ it hit so damn hard.
This was a botched landing.
That's why You don't unbuckle the seatbelt until the pilot says so.
Ugh. Yes, this. So many people unbuckle right after touchdown and struggle to keep balance when standing during taxi
Is it me or has it suddenly started raining planes lately?
Just happens that Trump is "saving money" by firing air traffic control employees
8 aircraft crashed in the last 2 weeks.
Just never the right ones.
In b4 Something something in my air force ones in Minecraft on 4chan
Yeah, that's not very typical. l'd like to make that point.
The side fell off.
Well, there are a lot of these jets going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don't want people thinking that jets aren't safe.
Yeah but they do seem to be rolling over into unsafe territory a LOT more lately…..
I'm not saying it wasn't safe, it's just perhaps not quite as safe as some of the other ones.
Want safe? Elevators.
Are you saying that isn't normal?
Well, I was thinking more about the other ones.
What other ones?
Well, some of them are built so that the wing doesn't fall off at all.
Well wasn’t this one built so that the wing wouldn’t fall off ?
Well, obviously not.
Good thing this showed up in my feed as I'm waiting to board a plane. Wish me luck!
You alive bro?
Yeah. Been stuck at LAX for the past 6 hours waiting for my second flight. The first plane we boarded here had to be brought back for maintenance to deal with a "funny noise" coming from the landing gear. Bullet dodged successfully! So far...
Stay safe bro..
🤞
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Made it. Landing was a little dicey due to high winds, but nothing scary
It looks like this is being filmed from another aircraft (big pillar in the middle of the window). Why was this pilot filming, it seems like they'd see planes landing all the time so was there something special about the landing - bad weather perhaps ..
I think you're probably right.
Tricky landing in shitty weather. Just filming to share in group chat as in "look at this shitty weather we have to take off in". Something like that.
Yes? Do you not see the ground covered in ice and snow and the strong winds kicking it up? Not exactly GOOD weather to be taking off and landing in
I genuinely don't know if you're trying to be sarcastic.
The linked article mentions the wind.
You can't estimate wind speed from this video.
None of the passengers mentioned mechanical problems.
It's reasonable to conclude that the guy was filming the landing because the weather was particularly inclement.
No one said you used the video to estimate, I just assumed that no one would be stupid enough to think that a weather website can tell you the windspeed of that particular gust at that particular location.
The pilot was experiencing the weather because he was physically there in person, not watching a video.
I'm genuinely curious to know why do you think the pilot was filming?
In conclusion:
Bad weather for planes
Average (good?) weather for Toronto as this time of year
Some pilots just really love planes
Dude was coming in way too fast and way too high.
The way the nose and tail jiggle when it hits the ground looks like a hard landing, but the glide slope isn’t that crazy. I’m betting it was a freak gust that stalled the right wing just after the flare, causing the right gear to collapse.
knowing how much planes weigh... and I have only been in a plane a few times, but does that not look like it slams down way too hard? feels like coming down that fast could break the landing gear.
Yeah, they usually don’t jiggle like that. However, the plane was very stable prior to that and on what looks like a normal glide slope.
One thing I just learned is that there was a pretty stiff crosswind, so they had to yaw to the left to straighten out. This normally means the right wing gets a bit more lift so you compensate with right stick to keep it level.
A wind gust at the right time would have caused the wing to not gain lift and the aileron correction could have sent the wing into the ground.
Flip? Ehh. Rollover. Barrelroll.
Yeah bro fuckin rolled for a mile and a half fucking hell
I'm a layperson, but wasn't it kinda good that the plane seperated from the fuel-filled wings?
Adult planes don't normally shed their wings until the end of their life, or in rare cases as part of SALT negotiations
I thought that they moulted in the springtime.
From what I remember the wing joint is one of the strongest on an aircraft being that’s where all the lift forces from the wing transfer to the fuselage. I remember watching wing stress tests and it was frightening how much that joint would flex before it failed. Of course it rolling like that is way more force. I also imagine there wasn’t a huge amount of fuel left if it was landing at the end of a normal flight. But yes I’d still say that was a good thing.
137! bang 137! bang 137! bang 137! bang
(I forget what the actual number was)
A YouTuber and pilot “Mentour now” talked about the crash and yeah, it was very lucky the wings separated from the plane. Leaving all the fuel and fire behind.
Little ding at the end of the video, pilot turns on the fasten seatbelt sign.
"Oh f*k oh f**k oh nononono - Tower are you seeing this airplane crash?- oh god oh no"
Pilots really have no nonsense for proper radio communication. Airforceproud95 lied to me.
I think I see the problem...
You can't park there.
C'mon man we gotta train AI somehow!!
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Sector whiteout leading the pilots to forget to flare? Unlikely but maybe?
Other theories:
I reckon not because they are flying visually by the time they reach the minima. I do like the theory of them not seeing the runway with it being so white with snow, but then don't they have RADALT counting down their height?
Eh, speculation feels almost conspiratorial with what little info we have. The ntsb will figure out the last time the captain farted and whether that had any effect on the crash, so I'll just wait for their report.
Haha yeah true it could be anything. Luckily because everyone lived so there will be good information
Looking at it, fortunately it looks like there was just enough time for anyone without a seatbelt to put it on instinctively, before the plane rolled over.
A spectacular response by YYZ's emergency crew in snowy conditions.
Who's not wearing a seatbelt during landing? That's some natural selection right there.
I'm hoping nobody, anywhere. But I'm saying that even if there were dumbasses there would be still time in this case to save yourself.
My bad I had the timeline of events messed up. Edited.
Man, I don’t know why but I assumed it flipped forward to land upside down like that truck in The Dark Knight. Could not fathom how people survived. Still hard to imagine how nobody died, but I was picturing it so differently.
Seatbelts people!
poor guy
That’s why we wear seatbelts in planes i guess
Why the fuck were they filming?
You're right, this does seem suspicious. It was probably all staged by that guy.
People like to hang out at airport viewing areas to watch planes land, and some film them. It’s fun. I’ve done it a few of times, though admittedly I didn’t film them.
Edit: Though actually this is filmed from another aircraft, it seems. Maybe filming because of how bad the conditions were? Not sure.
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