Spyke
lemmy.world

Pretty sure that has almost nothing to do with it.

There are other non-smartphone consumer electronics with IP68 and user replaceable batteries.

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With headphone jacks and SD card slots! I don't need a streaming service to enjoy my 1TB of onboard media.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

What do you mean you can't? Sure, it takes an unnecessary amount of work, which is fucking stupid, but it is still absolutely doable at home (in most cases)

5

Most people literally do not have the technical knowledge for that.

Just because I own the tools and can do it myself misses the larger issue of this being anti-consumer in general.

Consumers shouldn't need to have those kind of skills to change a battery.

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you need to heat the phone up and mess about with the internals, even as a tech person i don't want to risk fucking up my phone like that.

7

The irony of the meme being that the food critic ends up loving Remy's ratatouille. Meaning Bluetooth would bring him to a simpler time like the ratatouille did in the movie

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aussie.zone

Back when he grew up just listening to music rather than being a bitter adult worrying about bitrates.

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Psythikreply
lemmy.world

When I was a kid, I used to drop my CD rips down to a 32,000kHz sample rate to make the WAV files smaller, because I couldn't figure out MP3s yet. Adult me is horrified by the notion. But back then, sounding good enough was acceptable.

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Devorlonreply
lemmy.zip

I used to download AMVs using YT to MP4 sites, then play back the audio on my phone instead of just downloading the music.

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TBF, downloading YT rips is a much smaller offense than what I did (in terms of reducing audio quality). That said, if YouTube existed when I was young, I probably would have done the same thing and then become as equally horrified as an adult.

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this was my exact experience tbh. I hated the idea of Bluetooth headphones, I had tried some 5ish years ago and they were horrendous, even though they were a relatively high end pair. last year I said fuck it and got another high end pair, and I love them. ldac capable, so it's 990kbs so I don't have any complaints at all about the sound, and the probability is great and I don't have to worry about charging them nearly as much as I assumed I would.

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i feel like there was a time where wireless audio devices were just too expensive and too low battery to be worth it, but now we're well past that point and i can buy a pair of true wireless earplugs with ANC for 40 bucks, and that's pretty good!

really the only real complaint i have is that i do not see the point of "true wireless" when you could just have a wire between them and be able to add more battery capacity while also reducing the risk of them being lost.

4

It also implies that him not liking wireless could potentially ruin a small company's livelihood and drive the owner into his grave, as he has done in the past.

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lemm.ee

Same goes for SD card readers! I don't want to pay extra for storage I already have!

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almost1337reply
lemm.ee

There's barely even an excuse for it, as most of these phones have a dual SIM tray and one of those can be a dual SIM/SD slot. It's just enshittification so they can upsell $25 of storage for a $200 model upgrade.

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burgersc12reply
mander.xyz

This. I have an s20FE which is one of the last samsungs to keep the microsd slot. I'm considering very carefully what I should get for my next phone and this is one of my most wanted features, besides 3.5mm aux.

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almost1337reply
lemm.ee

Depending on carrier compatibility and where you live, the Sony Xperia 1 V/VI may be your best bet. I ended up going for an Asus phone, dropping the SD card slot.

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sh.itjust.works

My last phone purchase went something like this:

"What phones do you have with a headphone jack?"

"Uh, I don't think any. Maybe one? I'd have to look."

"I'll take that one."

"But we--"

"Only spec that matters is a headphone jack."

"There's bluetoo--"

"Headphone jack."

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almost1337reply
lemm.ee

Gotta look for either a budget or non-major brand phone. I went with an Asus phone for my last upgrade (previous was an LG V60). Sony Xperia and some of the Chinese 'gaming' phones also have them.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Yep a bottom of the barrel phone from a no-name brand will still have an audio jack...

But the fucking Pixel line doesn't. Pixels are the only real non-dogshit phone if you want a secure OS.

Sometimes you have to choose between two important things.

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Jumutareply
sh.itjust.works

i love losing my little tiny dongle with a fragile little cable that I need to take off my phone to charge and need to take off my headphones to use them on other devices ♥️

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bdonvrreply
thelemmy.club

Yeah it sucks. Though the usb-c converters will actually work on anything with USB-C

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lemmy.world

I have the slightly bigger green adapter that does charge and 3.5 jack and it's 32 bit/384khz. And the two tips are magnetic so you can split it. It sounds great with my IEMs

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Right? This — and literally nothing but this — is what all the outrage is about. Still, none of my business; everyone can buy whatever phones they want.

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Last time I went to look at phones I told them I want something without any AI. He said you won't find anything, so I left and bought a pixel online to wipe and run a privacy OS on.

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lemmy.world

Bluetooth is amazing, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't always work and it's hard to figure out why something won't connect. Plugging something works every time.

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almost1337reply
lemm.ee

Plus most Bluetooth modes have horrendous latency, which is jarring when playing a mobile game.

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BT LE audio should help in that regard. It also has some cool features like directly sending audio to individual ear buds rather than having to have one bud relay the audio to the other and "auracast" which allows multiple devices to listen to a single source.

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not sure why you have that experience, the only issue i've had with bluetooth is not figuring out how to enable pairing mode on some device, which.. that's the device having a shit implementation, it's like putting a headphone jack under what looks like a screw cover.

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festntreply
sh.itjust.works

oh yeah cause its way easier to repair something that uses bluetooth after it takes a hit

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Whats implied and obvious is that bluetooth less often gets messed up. Since there isn't a flimsy connector sticking out.

Don't get me wrong, I do prefer wired headphones at home and in the office, but I'm done with broken cables on the go.

If i really feel the need, a usb-c to 3.5 sits in my overears' headphone case.

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Also why would i imply that BT is easier to fix, that would just be fucking stupid.

Is that what you are?

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For those who are looking, the Sony Xperia line has a number of phones with both an sd card slot and a headphone jack.

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They discontinued the 5 while I was waiting for it -.- And "We continue to produce the old version" was missing the "and prolong the software support window". I think I have to usb or bluetooth dongle with my next phone.

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And 2 years of security updates.

They type of person who owns a set of wired headphones or earphones for over a decade doesn't replace their phone every 2 years.

And these days you really shouldn't try and keep a device on the internet without updates.

It's why the fair phone got rightly trashed when they ditched the headphone jack. Battery powered ear buds were completely against their demographics

HMD make decent repairable phones with a headphone jack. They took the Nokia brand for a while but they're now just HMD and they're doing some cool modular stuff with cases too.

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lemmy.world

I need a new phone and I want to cry because it is seeming that the Pixel Pro with Graphene is the best I can do. New phones fucking suck, It' not about "I need the MAXIMUM PRIVACY 90000" it's "I want some control, I'm not buying a Samsung ever again due to the mountain of irremovable bloatware"

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lemmy.sdf.org

I just bought an A34 for my mom. I was able to remove all the bloat directly from the launcher, except for some Galaxy apps. For the rest, I used ADB.

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I have a Galaxy Note 9 from the days of yore and it's beginning to show its age, I need to replace it before it completely shits the bed, but like, what am I supposed to replace it with?

I need a headphone jack, I need it to be powerful enough to run modest phone games to the tune of Arknights and similar, and I want to feel like I have a half decent amount of control over it (no apps I can't remove within reason)

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Maiqreply
lemy.lol

I too was disgruntled with samsung and chose a pixel and grapheneOS. It does not have a headphone jack but I can reluctantly live with that. It has been the best OS i have ever used and I didn't even have to root it.

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sopuli.xyz

And no sdcard, which is a real pain in the ass for a lot of people, I think, it's more of a problem, than just the headphone plug.

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Very much so. That is indeed the worst part about the pixel.

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NickwithaCreply
lemmy.world

Happy Motorola G 84 user here. The only ding is the camera isn't the best but for the price this couldn't be beat.

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Frankly I think it's a bit weird that phones have subsumed actual cameras existing, gettin' old...

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I want a Linux phone not because I want privacy, no, I want to use my phone freely without rooting it.

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lemmy.ca

See, this might be ok if there were two of them. But now when the battery gets low you are required to stop listening.

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lemmy.world

I see your point but, isn't this more cumbersome than wired earbuds/headphones?

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

Sure, but what's the use case at this point anyway?

"My bluetooth headset ran out of battery and my phone ran out of battery and I want to listen to music." How often does that really happen?

Bluetooth is less cumbersome than all of these choices, but for under a tenner you can solve all these drawbacks. Whack it in a pocket of your travel bag with your earbuds and away you go. I genuinely couldn't even tell you the last time I saw somebody in real life with wired headphones. My bluetooth AKGs actually have a headphone socket, that I've used exactly twice. Once to watch an in flight movie on a 480p screen on the back of a headrest, and again to use them with my Switch since for some bonkers reason it didn't support bluetooth headphones for ages, despite having a BT receiver on board. No idea where the cable is for them now. I doubt I'll need it again.

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I travel 8+ hours by train several times a week, and regularly go a day or two without access to power where I sleep. By all means, I'm not the average consumer, but the situation of "need to change while also wanting to use my headset" comes up often enough.

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I genuinely couldn’t even tell you the last time I saw somebody in real life with wired headphones.

You haven't seen me walking my dog daily then /shrug

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They are all utter shite, I got a pixel seven, and I tried three of these, even the €20 google one. All would randomly cut out, or crackle and pop if they so much were touched.

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Hawkereply
lemmy.world

Get some gall then!

Yesterday was the best day to switch but today is fine too!

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lemmy.world

You're right! End of this month then!

The only thing stopping me is losing all my photos and music saved to hard drives, I worry about file compatibility.

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Photo and music file types should be fully compatible.

I'd recommend though snagging an extra hard-drive to back up your files even if you don't switch.

If you've got your files in only one location you have them in no locations.

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File compatibility wouldn't really be a problem, just make sure not to nuke any partition. If you're using ntfs you might need to install the drivers, but it's pretty straightforward

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You can create a bootable USB stick (so-called "Live USB", which is the same thing you can later use to install the OS). Then you can test file compatibility and whatever else you want, while booted into that, without committing to the install.

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sh.itjust.works

If you move them off your boot drive, you should be fine. Linux has support for windows file systems.

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TommySodareply
lemmy.world

I'm in the middle of switching to Linux. I'm dual booting so I can still use Windows when I need to or run into issues. If you install something like Mint you'd be surprised how easy it is. Not only that, in a lot of circumstances it runs better than Windows because of all of the bloatware that comes with Windows. If you're afraid to switch but have enough hard drive space I highly recommend dual booting to test the waters. These days I end up using Linux more than Windows.

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Same spot here, switched two weeks ago, dual boot with windows but only use windows for one game that needs an external mod manager to work.

Its easy, it's fun and it's customisable. Loving it so far.

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Once I installed Linux Mint on my home desktop, I’m pretty sure I never booted into windows again. It was only a few weeks before I made a copy of everything on that windows SSD then formatted it to ext4 to have some additional fast storage for editing stuff.

I find Linux Mint so much nicer to use than windows. It is one of the most full-featured distros yet it moves like lightning in comparison. You can feel the difference you get when decades of development are driven by the desire to make good software rather than 37 different battling priorities within one of the world’s largest corporations.

And being full-featured does not mean it is dumbed down. It is good for experienced users too. I’m a software engineer that works on embedded Linux systems. On my work laptop I’ve been running Mint for over a year and it works beautifully. It’s still Linux, the command line is still there, and you can customize whatever you want to.

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lemmy.ml

So sick of Nintendo doing stuff like this. Releasing the GBA SP and requiring a dongle to use headphones? What if I need to charge during a session of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance? This will never catch on.

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That wasn't even the reason for that change. There just plain wasn't much room on the GBA SP for a headphone jack. People have modded them in aftermarket but every single one of the possible positions looks like crap and the GBA was never the pinnacle of audio hardware. In fact, the headphone jack made a triumphant return on every handheld Nintendo has released since the GBASP, including the GBA Micro.

(I am not saying there weren't good bops on the GBA, most Pokemon tunes are incredible. Just that audio quality was never a priority for design on the GBA.)

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pawb.social

It's a real tragedy how basically nothing new these days comes with a headphone jack anymore.

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ChicoSuavereply
lemmy.world

It feels like phone reviewers only know 3 phone brands and half of them are Apple. Some great phones still have headphones jacks and expandable storage. I use a Sony Xperia 6.

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Foxfirereply
pawb.social

There are definitely some out there, but it feels like you have to go hunting for them. My current phone is some lower end thing I found which had everything I wanted. Ulefone Power Armor 13. Absolutely massive battery, microsd slot, and of course a headphone jack. I was sick of all the thin phones that barely make it through a day before being at low battery, so I got the thickest smartphone I ever seen lol.

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Absolutely massive battery

You call that massive?
Slaps my Armor 24 on through the table That is massive.

Also, 3.5mm jack, dual sim + SD card (not hybrid!), ultra strong light, the battery and MTK Engineer mode which also allows for band selection. I wrote too much here before, but in short, it lets me manually select frequency bands rather than leaving that on my device or carrier. The biggest example would be in one certain city where I can boost my network speed on Telekom (T-Mobile) network from 8Mbps all the way to 150Mbps.

I just wish it could do 5G :(

But it does have issues too. It can occasionally momentarily trigger 12V (when the USB-A connector is moved too much) with something that gets recognized as Qualcomm QC 2.0 (this is MTK) by my USB tester until it throws an overvoltage error (the phone), and PD sources will bug out USB data transfer until reboot.
So the best bet is just a regular dumb 5V adapter.

Oh, and it won't finish rebooting while still connected to a PD source. No worries, it just gets stuck and resumes immediately after the cable is disconnected.

But overall it's fine.

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Foxfirereply
pawb.social

22000mAh

Good lord, I already charge like once a week at 13200mAh. I also feel like my phone is about near the limit of fitting in my pocket, does that thing still fit in your pocket easily? Color me impressed if it does. I've never heard of the manual band selection before, but that sounds really cool!

Unsurprised it's another Ulefone though, giant capacity devices seems to be their thing.

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Yep, it does fit into a pocket.

BTW, your Power Armor 13 is also MTK based. Good chance you can get into the hidden menu by dialing *#*#3646633#*#* (it opens automatically without clicking dial).
But be warned, some settings may not be safe to mess around with.

About the band selection menu, it looks like this:

There's a lot of things in MTK Engineer mode, and a lot of them should probably not be accessible for a good reason. Most manufacturers seem to block access to this. Oppo and Realme even seem to encrypt it so that it's only accessible to service personnel.
Preview of the main menu:

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any documentation for this, and there's many things I am too scared to click. Something could make illegal transmissions, others could be some non-resettable options, who knows. Yes, there is some factory reset resistant stuff I found. If there's one, there can be more.
For example, the MTU value setting:

I've also seen a post from someone who ran some automatic full device test in a hidden menu on some Chinese phone, it turned out part of the modem test was dialing some number, 911 was the number, it turned out...

Anyway, one illegal thing some of these are/were able to do is change IMEI. The AT command tool here doesn't work, but on some devices it does. And there's also a command to change the IMEI.
I found this on XDA, it seems some devices possibly even simplified that process:

Anyway, there's also something step above band selection, specific cell tower selection:

I didn't find that particularly useful, but I did find out the cell tower range limit in a city seems to be 1km. Makes sense, you don't want devices screaming at some distant overloaded tower when the city is full of them. Maybe they can even have lower latency that way, I don't know. I don't know how the timing works.

Oh, it seems I can transmit garbage on WiFi channels:

But I also found a way to force VoLTE registration even though my carrier doesn't provision this device. EngineerMode -> Misc feature config -> hVoLTE device mode -> hVoLTE (even when already selected).
I was actually able to make a phone call in 4G only this way. But it has to be done every time the phone is connected to the network.

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TrickDacyreply
lemmy.world

You couldn't pay me to use Sony (in fact thought they stopped making phones over a decade ago). Might be worse than Samsung

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I have major beef with Samsung. I don't really change my hardware often though and am out of the loop. What's wrong with Sony?

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Well I think it's mostly a me thing but I just hit a point a few years ago that I seemed nothing I'd owned from Sony for a long time had been worth a damn. Most of their products are at a price point that you expect decent quality, better than I felt I'd been getting

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And the other brands that have features like headphones jacks and sd card slots are increasingly not bringing those products to the US, like the new Xperia and Zenfone.

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im so tired of crappy usb-c dongles that stop working if my phone moves at all and bluetooth earbuds with shit battery i might just get an sd card with massive storage and use my old nintendo ds as a music player

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I, unfortunately, switched to a phone without a headphone jack. I hope to be able to switch back in a few years when I need a new one.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I've found that bluetooth headphones are about just as cheap as wired ones and being free of the cable makes a big difference.

Washing dishes? Don't have to worry about your phone being to far away from you.

Laying in bed? Don't have to worry about headphones getting pulled out of your ears because you rolled over.

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

Yea it’s a good thing the batteries in them are made of fairy dust that just appears and disappears with no problems whatsoever.

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I usually manage to destroy my headphones well before the battery starts turning into a problem.

Maybe I shouldn't wear them for 10 hours a day.

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I only ever had that problem with AirPods, but the $15 knock-off has been great. I’ve had them for a while now and there is no battery problem yet.

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For the same price wired headphones have much better sound quality than wireless ones. They are built with less expensive parts and software.

The tiny batteries in small wireless earbuds makes them disposable, after a few years.

I own have owned lots of different wired and wireless headphones. My two over ear wired headphones need a new ear cushion every couple of years or a new cable per decade, but they last and last. My wireless headphones have either become unusable because of dead batteries or one part of an overengineered device breaking.

My two wired overhear headphones have cost less together than my one nice Bluetooth overhear headphones and have outlasted it by a decade.

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For the same price wired headphones have much better sound quality than wireless ones. They are built with less expensive parts and software.

The tiny batteries in small wireless earbuds makes them disposable, after a few years.

I own have owned lots of different wired and wireless headphones. My two over ear wired headphones need a new ear cushion every couple of years or a new cable per decade, but they last and last. My wireless headphones have either become unusable because of dead batteries or one part of an overengineered device breaking.

My two wired overhear headphones have cost less together than my one nice Bluetooth overhear headphones and have outlasted it by a decade.

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Then he wears the airpods for the first time and it's exactly like when maman served that disgusting peasant dish.

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sh.itjust.works

Does any flagship phone have a headphone jack nowadays? It's getting were even with budget phones. I'm holding on to my current old phone partially for that reason.

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feddit.org

When I replaced my phone I just attached a USB-C Adapter to my wired headphones. It works exactly as before.

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There are adapters that let you do both. Of course that might not be as convenient as native support, but still.

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No. They are just a pair of cheap headphones that are usually in my pocket for when I want to hear a podcast or audiobook on my phone. But anyway you can just take off the adapter at any time.

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almost1337reply
lemm.ee

The only ones left in the US are gaming phones, it seems. Or last generation Xperia or Zenfone.

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lemmy.world

Last gen xperia was last year. Idk if youre trying to say its outdated but Its assumed this years xperia will have a jack too.

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almost1337reply
lemm.ee

The current gen Xperia doesn't and won't have a US version. Same with the Zenfone and the next gen.

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I didnt realize it wasnt being sold to the US. I got my Xperia 5 a few months before the 6 so I never needed to get a new one.

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feddit.org

My experience with smartphone headphone jacks is that they break really fast. Not quite sure what I'm doing wrong, but bluetooth did solve that particular issue for me.

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wiesonreply
feddit.org

I've never had that happen all my life. I've never even heard from a friend where such a thing would happen.

Did you drop your phone on the jack with a cable inside?

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feddit.org

No. If there was such an obvious reason I'd know what I'm doing wrong.

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feddit.org

No. Never noticed any, and I generally keep the headphones plugged in even when I'm not actively using them.

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lemmy.world

Thankfully now there’s MagSafe charging so that frees up the lightning/usb-c for wired headphones

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Thankfully now there’s MagSafe charging so that frees up the lightning/usb-c for wired headphones

Shhh, you have to call it “qi2 charging” or you’ll be sent to the Apple User gulag. We need to pretend that qi2 isn’t directly based on MagSafe.

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slrpnk.net

Samsung Galaxy XCover 6 pro has a headphone jack and replaceable battery. I think they are coming out with a new one soon too (or it might be out already). Its what I have and it works great. Kinda shitty camera but I don't really care

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slrpnk.net

I do not know because I have never tried and also don't know where I would start to even try unfortunately

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lemmy.ca

I also find it annoying that there's no headphone jack by default on most phones, but I just connected a usb-c to 3.5 mm to my headphones and use it them this way if I need to. Yes, it's a dongle, but it's small enough that it can just stay connected to my headphones jack and carried with them.

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lemmy.world

I cannot for the life of me get any of those dongles to work for more than 6 months. It always turns into a glitchy disconnecting mess.

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festntreply
sh.itjust.works

i had a friend that got a new phone and half of the conversations we had was about how much the usbc to jack adaptors break

like he would have to buy then every week and they looked pretty expensive

also he couldnt go back to his old phone cause the screen was so screwed up part of it was black and the rest would be brighter than a lightbulb

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pedzreply
lemmy.ca

I normally use bluetooth headphones so I don't use the adapters enough to have any that broke yet. I keep a pair of wired headphones as a backup, and sometimes I want to connect my phone to old speakers, so the adapter is useful in those cases.

I guess if you're using that adapter every day it might indeed break faster.

However where I live you can find them at the dollar store for something like $4.

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yeah, since his thing broke basically every week he probably was using it every night. also that is very cheap. i live in brazil so prices are way higher (R$15 is the cheapest i found online, so in a local store or with the shipping cost itd be at least R$25 but probably even higher)

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And what do you know, Ego enjoyed a simple meal that finally broke his personal vendetta against the restaurant.

Enjoy your music.

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leminal.space

I'm fascinated by this apparently critical sliver of venn diagram between "I value audio latency/marginal improvement in quality highly enough to be inconvenienced by messing with a headphone cable while on the go" vs "a dongle is too inconvenient".

*Apparently this is a really hot take. My point being the convenience gap between cable vs no cable is so much larger than the gap between dongle vs no dongle that I don't understand how it's a dealbreaker.

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sh.itjust.works

I just want a pair of headphones that I don't need to recharge and that won't inevitably die when the batteries fail.

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sopuli.xyz

Well, I break the cables a lot, so the wireless last longer for me, but for most people, they last longer.

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Using a dongle is in no way a replacement for a real headphone jack. A dongle on a phone is a one way ticket to a broken usb c port. It's not meant to be pocketed with a dongle attached. Headphone ports are supported and able to better handle the stress (if made properly).

Just give us a phone with the single most common port in use by our species that is standardized across all nations on our planet: 3.5mm audio port. I don't care if it makes the decice .0000001mm thicker. I don't care if it adds $.01 to the BOM cost of the phone. Go fuck yourself, manufacturers, I WANT MY GODDAMN HEADPHONE JACK BACK YOU BASTARDS!!!

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festntreply
sh.itjust.works

how long have you had it and how have you been listening to stuff

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So… I sorted by TOP— ALL TIME to try to understand this group and I got to this post and realized: you are my people.

And I still don’t “get” the sub but you are my people.

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I got a free phone but it didn't have a headphone jack, after trying them I really like the bluetooth earbuds.

I always yoinked out my headphones when working out with the wired ones.

There's a bunch of brands that make airpod quality earbuds for like $25

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I. Don't. Say. Please. I. Don't. Say. Thank you. I. just. Do. What. I. Want. And. If. You. Want. to. Get. With. Me. You. Better. Give. Me. What. I. Want.

Same cadence in this song that this meme has.

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