So, Neuralink got FDA approval for human trials, and a certain fanbase is VERY excited about that
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and 3 years later they'll end the support.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/bionic-eye-obsolete
This was the original cyberpunk-transhumanist message. Not "cybernetics will destroy your soul" but "corporations own your body, or worse parts of your body"
That's a new hell-on-eath I wasn't aware of. Yikes.
A good argument for open source
I love my FLOSS penis
So, soft-ware?
Sometimes it's hardware
Schrödinware
Occasionally just firmware.
And even if open source doesn't fit their business model for any reason, there should be regulations that force these companies to open source everything in any situation that they stop offering support.
I've meditated about this a while now! Imagine the amount of electronic waste produced by planned obsolescence! You have a phone, TV, car and much more that could be diagnosed, repaired and reused for same or all different use cases.
All those phones that still are running LineageOS perfectly fine that could be used by the elderly who need not have much more than basic communication.
Terrifying. No government bailout for improving people's life quality...
No, they're far too busy using taxpayer money to bail out banks and businesses that are "too big to fail".
Thanks for sharing.
Well that's fucking bleak, at least I got a good chuckle out of this
So that's how they keep JavaScript devs hooked!
I don't think that's a fair characterization - it sounds like they ran out of money and the company that bought all their assets didn't maintain support. (And in that company's defense, it's really hard to maintain support for something when you've bought the IP but you don't have any of the institutional knowledge.)
Maybe it’s a hot take but if you are giving life-altering treatments, and your company goes under, you should open-source everything
Would that even be legal? The company has obligations to its creditors and shareholders; simply giving away potentially valuable intellectual property right before going under seems to violate those obligations. And it's the sort of violation for which someone might be personally held liable.
I'm not claiming that a company can never open-source anything, but rather than they have to have a plausible business case for doing so. And I don't see a plausible business (as opposed to humanitarian) case here... But I'm not a corporate lawyer, just someone interested in this sort of thing.
Edit: there's also the FDA to consider. If you make medical devices and you want to release the source code, you probably need to demonstrate that it's safe for users to reprogram their devices (and it's not safe).
regardless of the the reason, people ended up with non-functional eye implants.
imagine physically embedding the fucking musk into your brain, VOLUNTARILY. i can't imagine anything worse in the world
People are still driving Teslas right now. Pretty much the same in my book. You're trusting your life to a proven moron.
Elongated Muskrat has very little to do with the inner works of the company now. Even in the heights of his involvement, by his own account, his input was tangential at best, like "we make expensive car now, use this money to make cheaper car" and "we call it x because x is the best name ever"
Don't forget "The Tesla Model series will spell out SEXY" and "Oh, Ford already claimed Model E? Model 3 it is, 1337!"
The most important of decisions
The ongoing litigation against the company begs to differ. Also didn't Musk step down as CEO of Twitter a while back? It seems his tangential bullshit has quite an impact. I'll be honest I think the people actually working at Tesla do their best to try to moderate his unadulterated fuck ups. But they're not safe from it and neither is anyone else who does business with them.
You live near the Department of Motor Vehicles? /s
I have no clue where "the DMV area" is, even after Googling.
D.C., Maryland, and Virginia?
Idk either just a guess.
Didn't try too hard there, did you
Why would I google when it's much easier and much funnier to assume they meant the Department of Motor Vehicles?
Well the disabled people getting this implant probably don't care about musk, it's legitimately a cool technology and good competition for the medical space.
Musk is a cuck still, and I'm sure we'll have to wait a couple generations before we get the dystopian stuff in Neurallink
Yup. Gotta sell it as a medical miracle before you can sell it as a commercial product.
I still don’t get how it’s at all safe or practical to have what amounts to a smart watch embedded into your brain.
The surgery they want to do literally involves removing a piece of your skull. Falling and hitting your head without a piece of your skull removed is bad enough, this is going to seriously compromise the strength of people skulls. Which is especially bad when you consider it’s meant to solve problems like paralysis. I have a feeling that people who are just learning to walk again may be at a high risk of falling. Now they’re at a high risk of falling and cracking their skull open like an egg.
It’s also charged with a wireless charger, which would need to placed on the device every night when you sleep. How many people remain completely still the entire night and don’t move their heads at all?
This is a cool and valuable first step for brain augmentations that can probably help thousands of patients, but the implementation has so many glaring problems that it makes me wonder how well the actual product even functions.
You have to drill or cut into the skull for plenty of medical procedures. I don't think getting a dime sized piece of skull removed at the crown of your head means your head explodes when you hit it on something.
As for the charging thing, there are plenty of solutions. Wear some kind of headband for one.
Anybody with sleep apnea who has a CPAP has solved a harder version of this problem. It sucks and takes a while to get used to but it's way better than waking up with a headache every day.
I assume that if the implant is helpful the overnight charging will be readily accepted by users.
(I've got a peripheral nerve implant myself so I am quite familiar with what lengths people will go to to relieve pain)
I can... there are literally people who are willing to participate in Musk's Mars colonization fantasies. They stand about as much chance of success (or survival) as those people who got imploded in that Titanic sub - except their deaths won't be as quick and merciful.
Imagine living on Mars in a tiny hut that you can never leave while you slowly starve to death all while Musk is telling everyone on Earth how cool an successful his new colony is. New volunteers continue to arrive in waves while promises go unfulfilled and an endless line of corporate stooges tells you that you are lying about the conditions.
At least the new arrivals will have a fresh supply of meat - Mars is pretty cold, after all.
I'd encourage those people, less dumbasses on our planet.
I'm starting to get some real Golgafrincham vibes.
But some people if they get the chance they would even eat musk poop.
Apparently at least the downvoters on that post, yes.
Musk is doing more to make people realize how garbage capitalism is than Marx ever could.
Accelerationism in a nutshell
I have no idea what you are talking about because Lemmy, now all of a sudden, is refusing to show me context.
Your comment on Musk
Yeah... that's not how accelerationsim works. Accelerationsim would require our active participation in order to make things worse... but we don't actually have the power to do so.
I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They'll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you'll probably have to pay a subscription.
Your tinnitus will get progressively louder until you pay your bill
Hello Satan. I didn't realize you use Lemmy.
Sorry wrong thread
There'e not enough knowledge and connectivity in the entire internet that could convince me to ever put a connection directly to my mind online.
I'm sure these implants will give much needed ease to patients who suffer frem tremors like parkinson and other neurological diseases. But the things I'm mostly concerned about are:
The thought that frightens me even more (although I am not a neurologist) is that if this is installed in children, and the neural pathways for the child's basic functions are formed to pass through that implant, removing the implant will render the child unable to think.
Oh god, new horrors just dropped
Positive thought: maybe thats the first step to become a godlike computer brain species
Negative thought: if that is how it works I doubt it is just kids that it would do that to. If that happens I would guess it could happen to anyone who has one "installed" long enough
I think you lose a lot of neuroplasticity once you become an adult though, which you would need to reroute the neural pathways. Although I guess that there have been cases of adults who lost half their brain matter in accidents and were able to develop normal cognitive functions again. Actually, even babies must already have the visual cortex all connected up if they can see so maybe some things just develop too soon.
I accidentally uninstalled the visual cortex drivers and now I can't use my eyes to reinstall, any help is appreciated
gonna have to reboot yourself and try again in the next life.
Thank you, trying that now
Laughs in windows helpdesk support
Sorry, but that's what you get for buying NVidia eyes
Firmware is just software that we try to update less often.
Trivia: I just learned two weeks ago that "firm"ware is in between "hard"ware and "soft"ware. It has nothing to do with a firm (a company).
Laughs in nordic
I have a (peripheral) nerve stimulator implanted.
Insurance paid for the trial implant, then the permanent one. They also paid for a couple of meetings with a rep from the mfgr who showed me how to use it best.
I have the device, the control, and a transdermal charger. No subscriptions, no remote access, I don't think it keeps logging data.
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Neuralink is an excellent advancement for brain science and it is greatly going to help disabled people and those with little function left over their bodies. It's okay to celebrate this technology while also hating musk.
Like SpaceX, they've both been excellent ventures that he so far hasn't ruined (probably thanks to the people he delegates to). Just because it's fashionable to hate him for how he's absolutely fucked over Twitter (which i'll remind everyone we've always hated and agreed is bad, use Mastodon instead) doesn't mean his other companies largely spearheaded by others, and their results, are also bad.
That's not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn't anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of. What everyones fearmongering over is still just science fiction. It's just barely able to interpret brain signals, it's not as powerful as everyone makes it out to be.
2nd edit: forgot what instance I'm on, this comment probably ain't going to do well lol
The big issue I have with brain chips is longevity. How long until the electrodes degrade? When will the chips fail? Once they fail, will it be fail safe or fail deadly? Also, what will be the power source? Will it use inductive power, or battery power? They are both awful options. What if the chip overheats? The implementation is the real question here, but neuralink refuse to give any answers because it proprietary.
All very good questions. The only one I think I can answer is that I think it was inductively charged but I forget what the pigs had on them. It may have been an external battery pack. The implant itself is definitely not external accessible.
We could probably look at existing BMI devices to get our answer, I'm sure it's even less pretty.
Yet. They'll get to work on that just as soon as they can, don't you worry!
The brain science and neurology advancements that would be required to get to such a point would be absolute mind-blowing breakthroughs in medical science and would completely change the world as we know it. The mental/personality disorders we could now understand and solve would make me so hopeful for humanity and the upbringing of welfare for everyone. This would without question be a good thing.
Yes and at one time sickness was caused by the devil, then germs were found. One day it'll probably happen. Idk if we'll be alive or not by then but time will tell, exponential growth in tech and all.
Almost everything can be good or bad. A.I could save us all, or it could go skynet. Nanobots could be great for surgery, but also great for grey goop. Hell, something as simple as guns, it depends on who is using it and why, and brain implants are a pretty big figurative gun. They could be the savior of humanity, or they could be the device which finally enslaves it in near totality, it's definitly something to consider.
Does it work though?
I only ask this because Musk has been promising full self driving in Teslas "next year" for about a decade now, so any claims made should be taken with an enormous pinch of salt.
By all appearances yes, it's an appreciable jump in the technology compared to current brain interfaces that are used for the immobile. They did a whole live tech demo with pigs as well as the people he's hired to work on it there. He has top level surgeons and neuroscientists all working on it who choose to be there. Oh and also it just passed FDA approval for testing in humans.
It would be hard to bullshit this passed all the people involved. I have the belief it's quite a different situation compared to the continuing failure of FSD.
Do you not understand people? It's easier to BS 10 people than 1. You just BS 100 and the 10 weakest people tell you who they are. People who want to work on brain interfaces want it to work. Whether it actually works or not depends on the real world, not the number of people involved.
This comment doesn't make it sound like you have much real world experience. Maybe read literally anything about Neuralink and BMIs, I've been following this for years.
I kind of agree. While I think they are not that bad as far as advancements go, most of it is shitstained by Musk, who has to be seen at all cost and have to be seen as the ultimate inventor of everything.
He wants to be seen, stay relevant, and be the boss of everything, that he usually makes dumb decisions, which is a stain on a company mostly relying on a foundation of very intelligent people.
I agree with your assessment except saying that SpaceX's advancements are "not that bad" is a massive understatement. They've completely disrupted and forever changed the space launch industry, with the help of government subsidies.
Everyone also forgets how Starlink is serving remote indigenous communities and scared the pants off shitty dominant ISPs that have been screwing rural communities over since forever.
I'll re-emphasize my point that I think the results of some large companies, which comprises the efforts of many many smart people, can have facets of it be considered overwhelmingly good.
Edit: some more words
These ventures succeeded despite him, not because of him.
I guess they may have come into existence without him. Unfortunately with the way capitalism has a death grip on the world.. it seems like the only way risky ventures get off the ground is through the whims of megalomaniacal filthy rich motherfuckers.
Truth.
Whenever I hear someone unironically use the term "disrupted" I just know I'm going to be hearing some capitalist parasite being glorified for doing something expensive that a government did much cheaper half a century ago.
Space launches were "much cheaper" a half a century ago? You don't really follow any space news whatsoever do you? That's patently false.
No, the entire space exploration attempt was much cheaper half a century ago - neither the US nor Soviet space programs wasted labor or resources enriching billionaire parasites. There is absolutely nothing that can be performed by parasites such as Musk or Bezos that cannot be done far better, more efficiently and more effectively through public means.
Can you provide a source showing space exploration was "much cheaper" half a century ago than SpaceX's current costs to getting payloads into orbit? It sounds like you're just assuming it would be cheaper from your idealogical leanings than that actually being the case.
A half a century ago the US and USSR were devoting a significant fraction of their entre GDP in the space race to blast people into space on some of the largest rockets ever built, mostly for national security and military concerns And that's not even to speak of the "safety standards" they had and ignored in order to win.
The later shuttle program itself was a massive MASSIVE expenditure and no one in their right mind would EVER say it was an efficient and cheaper per kg in LEO.
You're just straight up wrong.
Yeah, hold on... let me compare the costs of enriching a billionaire parasite piggybacking off publicly-funded programs that developed all the technology said billionaire parasite is piggybacking off with said publicly-funded programs.
No, Clyde, it was cheaper - because we actually got results other than merely enriching a billionaire parasite.
Your brain has been so addled with "free market" fairy tales that you might just as well believe a glass slipper will magically turn you into royalty. There is absolutely nothing parasites like Musk can do that we couldn't do far, far better, much more efficiently and far cheaper through public means - and that's it.
A long time ago I read some cyberpunk novel, and one of the characters had an ocular implant that got infected with malware that flashed spam ads for Indian brothels in his vision 24/7, even with his eyes closed, until he went completely postal.
They touched on this concept in the black mirror episode "Fifteen Million Merits". Very minor spoilers, read on if you dare
Not with a brain implant per se. But had to pay merits or else watch porn ads. And if you don't have any merits, guess what they're unskippable.
Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson
Edit: oh heck. It might have been The Diamond Age.
Edit 2: search yielded
"Bud knew a guy like that who'd somehow gotten infected with a meme that ran advertisements for roach motels, in Hindi, superimposed on the bottom right-hand corner of his visual field, twenty-four hours a day, until the guy whacked himself." --Neal Stephenson, The Diamond Age
Fox Viewers: 'Don't get vaccinated because there are brain controlling microchips hidden in the jab.' Also Fox Viewers: 'I can't wait to get one of Elon's brain chips to own the libs!'
Wow, who did Elon have to fuck to get FDA approval for a brain chip that's killed numerous test subjects.
Edit: Just a friendly reminder that ublock, sponsorblock, newpipe x sponsorblock, libretube, youtube piped exist
There comes the time you have to root your own brain and install CyanogenMod 23.0 "BrainIac" on it, maybe "TorView" and "OpenMath" too. I recommend "FreeTaste 2.0" as an addon.
Imagine how high stakes it is to avoid bricking your brain.
Not your brain but rather a tiny little chip inside your brain, still would be a rather difficult task (that's an understatement) to unbrick or replace it though. Unless they put a debug Port accessible from the outside you would need surgery if you needed to JTAG to unbrick it (probably would need it anyway since if they go this route they probably won't let you access the pins you need to from the outside).
Sure, you can root your brain and install a custom firmware on it, but your eyes won't work unless you install the proprietary Google-Netflix-Microsoft-MPAA DRM blobs.
That would be LineageOS now. but yes, definitely root the hell out of your brain implant!
Edit: spelling.
Imagine someone infecting a user's implant with a script that makes everything you eat/drink taste like leftover Jägermeister in a cup from a week ago
On one hand I'm excited for what the tech can do for medical purposes and future applications... On the other hand I'm terrified on what governments and corporations have in mind for it, cause I guarantee it will not be good
Looking forward to the eventual open source/Linux version of this lol.
My brain runs Arch BTW
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as brain, is in fact, GNU/brain, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus brain. Brain is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many humans with the Neurolink chip run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “brain”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really are brains, and these people are using them, but it is just a part of the system they use. Brain is the kernel: the organ in the system that allocates the body's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Brain is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with brain added, or GNU/brain. All the so-called “brain” distributions are really distributions of GNU/brain.
this is glorious. thank you.
mfw I try to install arch linux to my brain and fucking die after it bricks itself
Watch red hat make it to where your brain is more inclined to want to wear an actual red hat lol
I mean, are you going to trust proprietary hardware anywhere near your brain anyway?
I just downloaded my calculus patch.
You mean the FDA approved of lobotomizing a select few of desperate people to satiate the narcissistic impulses of its founder. Anyone else wanna take a ride in this plastic submarine???
Uh, it's a "submersible" and it's not plastic, it's throwaway expired carbon fiber from Boeing...
As someone who suffers daily from a traumatic brain injury 5 years ago that's caused me to become physically disabled and cognitively declined, I'm super excited about this.
I'm kinda excited about the technology, but very pessimistic when looking at the way our current technology is used.
But what about the invisible spyware/adware(/mind control???) they'll be putting in without anyone knowing by using threads and components embedded inside the chip?
Why should they hide it? They just sell it with ads and everyone who wants one has to endure them.
As far as I've understood, these implants never had any sort of display functionality.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60416058 related. It's going to be a subscription service and Musk is going to have his fanboys hooked in for the short life of the company.
"The short life of the company" might not be exclusive to the company if elon doesn't go back to normal.
Yeah nothing is even going close to my brain unless the hardware itself is open source
Just wait until it's not technically mandatory, but you can't do your taxes, find a job or participate in society without beaming ads straight to your brain.
I guess I'm becoming a hermit then
Or even to compete in the labor force, the productivity gains of mainlining the internet will be insane and ppl without it won't get hired. Ray Kurzweil talks about it a bit in his book "The Singularity is Near," his take is optimistic though.
Basically the same as needing to own a smartphone in today's society. You just can't do anything without one anymore.
Even if Muskrat weren’t involved, this still has a hell no from me. You leave me and the voices alone.
Although Star Wars cybernetic hands would be dope.
A LOT of things would have to change for me to consider it. For a start, I wouldn't want it made by a shareholder owned, for-profit corporation.
I'll take the Army of Darkness gauntlet version thank you
Based.
But are you Good Ash or Bad Ash?
Yes.
Gimmie some sugar baby.
Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun.
If he's bad ash he could lie...
Bad Ash has a temper he can’t hide though. It wouldn’t take much to sus him out.
Brain-computer/machine interfaces are really interesting when treating conditions like paralysis or Parkinson's disease, and to a certain extent severe psychiatric conditions if you count deep brain stimulation for e.g. severe OCD. I don't think we'll be anywhere near sending detailed multisensory content like ads into people's brains for a long time though. That's so far outside the scope of what brain stimulation can do right now, it's really just scifi.
Technology progresses pretty fast today, especially where there's money. Who knows, maybe in a decade or so it'll already be possible, especially if this goes mainstream.
It does, but it's important to note that the theoretical basis for much of the rapid progress we're seeing now (e.g. machine learning) has actually existed for quite a long time. Training very large models wasn't feasible at the time they were theorised, but the basis for them did exist.
When it comes to brains, we don't even have a good understanding of how multisensory integration works yet, let alone how we could, even in theory, implant multisensory impressions like ads. It's much easier with things like movement disorders or paralysis because our understanding of those phenomena is much more advanced. Plus - we're only really dealing with one modality there - movement.
Deep brain stimulation for psychiatric conditions does exist, but it's poorly understood, to the point where there isn't even really a consensus on where you should place the stimulating electrodes for the best effects. At least that's what a colleague who worked on DBS described a while ago, and I doubt it would've changed dramatically in a year.
Don't take my predictions too seriously, but
10 years, it'll be possible to have a multisensory chip, but it'll be super expensive and niche 15 years, it'll start getting pretty affordable and popular 20 years, you'll be a social outcast for not having a chip. What are you, a weirdo?
Yeah, but just a couple years ago, you could've said the same thing about AI, and now it's everywhere. So, we could be just a couple years from brain chips that make us execute order 66 and kill all the Jedi.
You can still say that about AI. What people are calling "AI" now is closer to Cleverbot than true AGI.
Perturbed gradient descent with backprop is what we were doing in the 90s. It feels like there are some new tricks but mostly what I see is the result of GPUs and cheap memory.
I volunteer at a summer science camp and 90% of the projects are "I pointed AI at this problem and...", nobody seems to be even trying for analytical approaches any more. I'm ready for a new fad.
Anybody else remember when it was all wavelets all the time? That was kinda fun.
Also it's not even close to be everywhere, as it should be.
The only thing I remember about Neuralink is that Elon reportedly fathered twins with one of the executives.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/07/06/things-get-messy-for-elon-musk-with-report-about-new-twins-he-shares-with-neuralink-exec/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/07/tech/elon-musk-twins-shivon-zilis-neuralink/index.html
https://nypost.com/2022/07/07/elon-musk-confirms-twins-with-neuralink-exec-shivon-zilis/
https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/elon-musk-and-shivon-zilis-conceived-twins-through-ivf-report/
Elon musk has a to thing for having many kids with women as quickly as possible. He had twins with his first wife via IVF followed by triplets with IVF (which kind of has uncomfy implications if you think about it). Then had a kid with Grimes and then another kid with her via surrogate while separated. And weeks before the surrogate kid was born he had twins with the exec he was having an affair with. It's really weird.
gengis khan moment
Remember that episode in Futurama where they got personalized ads fed to their brains while they slept?..... 😔
The Simpson guy predicted the future once again
I think of this as being straight up horrifying. This isn't exciting, this is going to be dystopian nightmare fuel. It's not hard to imagine this being imbedded into human beings against their will too, like prisoners in the US.
I would rather be a Borg, at least they were motivated by a collective good will to move to perfection, not puppets of a dying capitalist state and it's related ideology.
You can already do that. You could already do that over a hundred years ago. I think it isn't happening (except in the case of dogs and invisible fences) simply because it isn't very useful.
Once the boss can do this, he would just threaten to fire the unproductive employee. That generally works better than what you're proposing because it doesn't require turning employees into cyborg slaves. (The hard part is actually measuring productivity when the employee is doing something that isn't easily quantified.)
you cant remove brain implant
Gotta start somewhere! For all we know the Borg began as a simple neural implant developed by Space Coca Cola, marketed as a way to touclessly interface with vending machines, but with the actual designed purpose to make you thirsty af and constantly crave sugary beverages.
And then the Coca Cola logistical AI gained sentience.
Another idea is that somebody found an exploit in the software and figured out how to use it for much more then interfacing with vending machines. So in essence the Borg is one giant botnet accept instead of ddosing or doing database leaching they assimilate people and make them part of the botnet.
Remember the one where they elected a TV clown to run everything?
That show is out of date.
I feel like we are already past that point and are knee deep in multiple Black Mirror episodes.
Remember that episode where they trained a chat bot off a dead loved one? Then it evolved to a cloned voice, then a realistic robot body? Well we’re one step off from that
The widow was Hailey Atwell, wasn't she?
Isn't there a black mirror episode about someone experiencing a terrible fate because of a malfunctioning brain implant that just got FDA approval?
in the episode black museum
Damn I didn't see that one.
What are you waiting for? We're already living in it! :)
Can't wait to sell my excess brain power to crypto miners
Bold claim.
EDIT: It’s a joke about claiming to have extra brain cycles.
Indeed, it would probably be mandated in the EULA to provide it for free.
LastWeekTonight made an interesting episode about medical devices and how they are cleared or approved. The OP's post is about approval for human trials, but I think Neuralink getting approved for the market by FDA and then ruining many lives anyway is a real possibility.
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Good bot. Feels nice to say that again.
Pretty soon you'll be required to get one of these as a condition of employment. Just watch.
At some point a wireless transmission will be enough, no need for implant. That's the real nightmare
Neurolink is a grift by an idiot billionaire that drank his own koolaide.
Nothing. He’s full of shit. The thing doesn’t fucking work. He’s selling snake oil to secure more investment before fucking off and selling more false hope to the gullible.
Shouldn't they already know where I'm gonna be?
That seems like a failure of their own making, I'm not doing their job for them, I don't even want to do mine.
It's precrime; if they want to know my location instead of they already having it, it means they've absolutely failed at their job.
Musk can go first. Maybe it'll help him save Twitter. Or he goes into the nuthouse. Either way, it would be a win.
FDA should regulate me being able to run Linux on it so I can tile on dwm with my MIND
Even better, with your MINT
As long as I get the wiggly windows I don't care what goes in my brain
Wiggle and glass shattering galore? Yes please!
Despite Elon being insane, the idea of brain-computer interfaces could be really great. I'm thinking of people with disabilities or debilitating injuries. This could enable prosthetics with full dexterity that you can control. It could be life changing for some people.
I don't know if that is the first thing Elon is aiming for, but any breakthroughs in the technology that could lead to it becoming a legitimate option to improve people's lives, I think would be a good thing.
This has already enabled corporations to force people to go under surgery to remove senses or limbs that had already been restored. With this technology, your body autonomy is now live service.
I imagine everyone in the space except elon is thinking about the positive benefits and Elon is thinking about a giant spinning dollar sign while Baby Elephant Walk plays on repeat.
After that is a subscription for you to use your legs.
Based on how many monkeys Elon has killed, I'm not sure he'll have too many volunteers.
Well... the brain chip experience for Deus Ex wasn't exactly fantastic. Seems reasonably on point.
Orwell tried to warn us. Apparently that wasn't enough. The implications of the neurolink, a chip in our brains, seems like a bad idea. The meme is on point. Constant ads, which are out of ones control, might drive people to madness. Imagine having no space to think?
I won't get a brain chip unless there's laws passed banning using them for advertising or for data collection, but knowing our current government those two things will end up being mandatory
And then the next government just reverses that law. Doesn't sound fun.
I still wouldn't. If it's worth more than the fines, the laws won't stop corporations collecting data.
No, imagine if EA buys it...
There will be lootboxes and microtransactions.
"Aww hell, my latest lootbox contained erectile dysfunction... I'll have to buy a few more to try and get rid of it"
Having negative things in those lootboxes is just next level evil.
Good thing is, you can cure those with emeralds, and in order to get those, you have to buy some of these green lootboxes. You can buy them with these rubies here, and in order to get them you have to open some of these red lootboxes…
In the end, it'll probably be Vanguard and BlackRock benefiting the most from it 🙃
He just took control of "his" starlinks to shut off Ukraine, anyone who doesn't think he'll do something similar with these is oblivious.
Where did you read that?
Behold the Rise of the Cybermen! Elon Musk is the John Lumic of our world. Humanity will be upgraded! https://piped.video/watch?v=TQs3gVobcfg
DELETE, DELETE
I'd never opt for it unless i couldnt function without it, and I sure don't wanna live forever in a computer, or at all. The potential for abuse is astronomical. Let's hope we have fought for a massive shift in consciousness before this comes to full fruition, right?
If I needed a chip in my head to function in society, I think I would just withdraw from society. I'm barely comfortable with our reliance on smartphones and internet connection in our day to day lives.
Absolutely. This is the only social media I use, cause i get really good stipulation here, otherwise I ignore my phone and have largely cut a lot of the b s out of my life. I'm a recluse by nature, so I feel you all the way.
natural selection at work
They're constructed hierarchy not natural (That hints that someone didn't want to be the fuckup alone & created a destructive system for everyone) otherwise we would be living in a socialist utopia.
I invite everyone to listen to this episode, The history of humanity with Christopher Knight https://www.historicly.net/p/the-history-of-humanity-with-christopher
I'm picturing that one day people will need guides on how to "jailbreak" their own brains, because they want the be able to live without the constant advertising and recording. Their brains no longer belong to them but the companies
“Free calls, free internet, for everyone, forever.”
Probably very safe. Though the tech is interesting, that the company is owned by such a person does not instill confidence about its future uses.
Tell that to all the dead monkeys. It wasn’t that long ago that they were getting slammed for animal rights violations for having a very high number of animal fatalities in their testing compared to similar research groups.
There was even a big thread about it on Reddit where another researcher said that if there were that many deaths in any other project, it would be considered a failure and cancelled.
And now they’re upgrading to humans.
I would be down for it if it was a local only connection, no internet, it would also have to be fully owned, no license. I wouldn't even want the cons protocol to resemble tcp/ip
I'm amused how Neuralink was a highly regarded breakthrough celebrated by the likes of Reddit/Lemmy folks, but once Musk was revealed as an idiot, Neuralink is suddenly "lobotomizing".
Anyone paying attention to Musk would have known for some time that he is a vain narcissist who says a lot of unfiltered and frankly stupid shit and hates criticism.
I think the first prominent example of this was when those kids were trapped in a cave and everyone laughed at his dumb ideas to get them out and he lashed out calling a rescuer a pedo. A smarter billionaire would have just offered to pay for any logistical support they required and in the aftermath maybe given a stipend for the dead rescuers and built the kids a football pitch. But not old Elon.
As for Neuralink I think it's safe to say it'll go in the failure pile along with the Boring Company.
REVEALED? He was like this from the start. People were just too busy sucking him off.
I mean, after those monkeys died a little skepticism is warranted
And vmhis claims are both all over the place and total bs
Musk burned through 44 billion dollars to acquire Twitter and then he wrecked it. This is not a guy who has a plan. He only cares about that dopamine hit that getting his name in the news gets him. Now he's got his own social media platform that only exists to blow him.
I haven't seen anyone excited about neuralink, ever. Maybe it helps that I don't read Twitter though.
Deus Ex Human Revolution was such a nice game
What other proof do you need to realize that it ends badly? The recent cases of Ransomware don't worry you at all?
I'm in the awkward position of being genuinely excited by this type of technology while desperately wishing literally anyone but Elon Musk was pushing them.
Doesn't matter who pushes them, it only matters who regulates and pushes to control them.
Ill be waiting for the Neuralink - X
This game's advertising is so effective, people voluntarily put it in memes (myself included).
One would imagine that the DX fanbase would be aware of what a bad idea this is, just think back to HR and the replacement chip thing... Now imagine that without there even being a replacement, that they'd have implemented all that in secret.
For those who don't know. In Human Revolution the manufacturer of these brain chips sent out a version that allows them to make you go zombie mode on command, like The Last of Us zombies. As a political move. No way in hell I ever have one of these put into me.
What would a failed partial upgrade would look like on the brain?
Literal blue screen of death
I know the meme is making fun of these people, but the “expectation” makes it look like the only thing they expect to get out of it is feeling like they’re cool for having it
See also: Google Glass
Comic Book series Transmetropolitan has a few panels like this I believe. I can't remember if it's from his glasses ot an implant though. AR advertisements on top of real world advertising.
There were the hallucinogenic ads too that would get sprayed in your face as a mist, and the hypnotism ads on television that made you dream about the product all night.
I love Transmet.
The factory that makes them will be a primary target in the future mind wars.
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Now this really would be cancel culture going too far🤣
Considering the person spearheading this, it seems like the opposite might be the result.
Ive gotten suspended for calling out libs of tiktok before, keep in mind libs of tiktok has laughed at the deaths of queer people
Came across the concept of Transhumanism a number of years ago in an English class on futuristic literature. Charles Stross's Accelerando was the main text. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism
This is bad news, right?
Also FDA is wasting time on this rubbish, I hope someone will be held accountable.
In my teens I thought I'd be like the Major or Batou in the cyberpunk future.
Nope, Togusa. CYBER BRAIN BAD
All the Elon stans can get brain chips implanted in their head while buying Twitter X merchandise.
Brains gotta poop
They won't even need to stream ads into your brain, because if the whole point is to influence your mind on stuff, well they'll have root access to do so without you realising anyway.
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Much like the world in the book A Witch's Sin
A fellow Goblin, I see!