I was invited to a user group where oracle Linux was trying to get more adopters. The coolest thing they had was the ability to update a kernel driver while it was running. In place. Without downtime.
I asked them if they planned on pushing this improvement to the kernel devs and they just gave me a blank face.
Told me everything I needed to know about Oracle Linux. I promptly formatted the thumb drive they gave me for free.
TempleOS is God's chosen OS, but I don't live at church. I use TempleOS to pray, and Hannah Montana Linux for personal tasks. That way I get the best of both worlds.
Privacy Policy:
I do not care about privacy and will try to sell, rent, lease or give away all your information (name, address, email, your pets name, etc.) to any third party (but only if they pay enough). Also I will send you unsolicited email with cute dog puppy pictures.
Ironically, I'm reading this from PostmarketOS, which has support for the echo dot 2, feature phones and some smartwatches, so it might be realistic to run on a vacum lol.
Stock android doesn't even have a phone app. I'd say GrapheneOS is the best android. And good OK Debian is the best Linux (I don't have the bandwidth for arch btw)
A lot of industries are semi-forced into it. Let me give you an example I know of first-hand. Modern SAP stacks support 3 operating systems. Windows Server, RHEL, and SuSE.
You're probably thinking to yourself: "but rhel is just regular linux, surely you can install it on anything if you have the appropriate dependencies, I'll bet it even just works on rhel-compatibles like rocky, alma, or centos stream!"
And you would be sort of right, but wrong in the most dystopian way possible. The installer itself does hardcoded checks for "compatible" operating systems, using /etc/os-release and a few other common system files. Spoofing those to rhel 8.5 or whatever is easy enough, but the one that really gets you is a dependency for compat-glibc-X.Y-ZZZZ.x86_64. This "glibc compatibility library" is conveniently only accessible via a super special redhat repository granted by a super special sap license (which is like ~$2,000/year/cpu). Looking at the redhat sources it is actually just a bog-standard semi-modern glibc compile with nothing special. The only other thing you get with this license as far as I can tell is another metapackage that installs dependencies, and makes a few kernel tweaks recommended by SAP.
So you can install it on alma/rocky by impersonating rhel in /etc/os-release, and then compiling a version of glibc and linking it in a special hardcoded location, but SAP/Redhat put as many roadblocks in your way as possible to do this. It took me weeks of reverse-engineering the installer to get our farm off of the ~100k/yr that redhat wanted to charge us for essentially:
There is nothing evil about it? Like sources are available, rhel itself is cheap and actually invests a lot in oss. If you want an unsupported system you are free to do something like this.
I said evil as in the meme, like the evil version of something is its total opposite. And RHEL sound like the total opposite of what I associate whit Linux.
I assumed that you could just run fedora and spoof RHEL. The fact that you need to use a specific GCC is insane. They must share their source code right? Or, are they no longer sharing it as they are legally required to?
The source to this compat library is in their sources last I checked, but because it's not part of their standard repos it doesn't technically have to be. I suspect this is eventually the end-goal.
I want to install Linux on a Vacuum cleaner, which sucks the most?
Nix-OS. Nix translates to "nichts" in german, which translates to "nothing" in english. A vacuum creates sucktion force.
Also I get endless error messages sometimes, when I run nixos rebuild switch --upgrade, that sucks in a metaphorical sense, I need to modify the versions of programs I install.
The worst i have used was fedora lxqt. A really disappointing experience. Not entirely unusable, but a big downgrade, even compared to things like Antix. It is incredibly slow, looks ugly, has like 1000 packages at most, that doesn't contain more than the most basic and well known software. When i try to install anything else than dnf as package manager, it will not work, or just break. For someone who wants Linux for experimenting, it is highly advised against
I have some RedHat CDs from the late 1990s (probably collectible at this point). I remember having a great deal of difficulty mounting my particular cd rom to even install it. I never got a driver for my video card at the time to work, so the "graphics" were awful (640x480 text only, iirc).
Anyway, few experiences will be more frustrating than trying to use them. I think it should be mandatory for aspiring computer people to play with them, so they can appreciate how far we have come.
BSD is based on the original UNIX code, and macOS's kernel is based on FreeBSD specifically. Linux, however, is a clone of UNIX, and therefore "UNIX-like", as you mentioned, but BSD is actual UNIX.
After spending a bit of time today debugging a systemd issue I can start to sympathise with this. Not come across or really looked for viable alternatives that aren't just a return to random bash init scripts though.
Oracle linux, just tell them your carpet has an unlicensed database.
I was invited to a user group where oracle Linux was trying to get more adopters. The coolest thing they had was the ability to update a kernel driver while it was running. In place. Without downtime.
I asked them if they planned on pushing this improvement to the kernel devs and they just gave me a blank face.
Told me everything I needed to know about Oracle Linux. I promptly formatted the thumb drive they gave me for free.
If they released it for free then Ubuntu wouldn't have Ubuntu Pro to sell subscriptions to.
All of our testing cells at work run Oracle!
I don't know much about it though.
They want to clean the carpet, not lose the house.
They actually have an oracle cloud too. It's used by some companies... And it's awful.
It's used by Tony fucking Stark.
I mean, I can suspend disbelief that he is Iron Man and has futuristic fights with aliens
But I cannot believe that same man uses fucking Oracle Cloud.
Whoa, whoa, there are people who don't like Windows? I thought Windows was like the king of operating systems?
Whoa, whoa, there are people who like Windows?
@mypasswordis1234 @NONE_dc whoa whoa there are windows users? i thought everyone uses gnu/linux
All of them except Hannah Montana Linux, which is the One True Linux.
TempleOS is the one TRUE OS
TempleOS is God's chosen OS, but I don't live at church. I use TempleOS to pray, and Hannah Montana Linux for personal tasks. That way I get the best of both worlds.
But it isn’t Linux.
This is the only universal truth any Linux user intuitively knows in their heart.
Hannah Montana Linux is the past, RebeccaBlackOS is the future!!
Similar to a joke my dad told in the 90's
If Microsoft ever makes a product that doesn't suck, it'll be a vacuum cleaner.
Your dad is a great dadjoker!
https://valetudo.cloud/
This actually looks cool with several robots being supported
If you want a smart vacuum but don't want to lose your privacy or be reliant on a cloud service, Valetudo is the way to go.
@besmtt the only right answer to this question as *meant*, not as *written*. :blobcatfingerguns:
@NONE_dc
You've just sent me down another rabbit hole. Thanks man...
Apparently it's Athena Linux. At least, that's what the hackable vacuums use.
https://builder.dontvacuum.me
This website is great xD
most honest privacy policy.
Well now I'm even more conflicted about sending them my email!
Yes, you get an email containing a link to your download when the requested build is done.
This guy actually built an automated builder so people can easily request tailored images for their robots which is super cool.
android
Damn I really can't argue with that. The developer is a prick
Can someone seriously type with their penis? Impressive!
When you watch it's really not that impressive.
It'll randomly doze off whenever you don't look at it for 5 seconds, tho.
the one you, the reader, uses
Now this turned meta-referencial really quick.
Ironically, I'm reading this from PostmarketOS, which has support for the echo dot 2, feature phones and some smartwatches, so it might be realistic to run on a vacum lol.
Installing on my fridge. Which one is the coolest?
Kali Linux. All the kids talk about it. All the kids want to be with it.
Hannah Montana Linux.
TempleOS
Be careful to not store any water in there
It'll turn to ice cause it's so cool?
Or to Wine?
Linux From Scratch.
Which honestly might be necessary to actually get a fridge running a free operating system, anyway.
I'd say Manjaro but they'd probably DDOS your vacuum on accident.
... My vacuum actually does run Linux.
There are dozens of us! Mine is a Dreame D9 with a custom GLaDOS voice pack that I can change by updating a CVS file.
And suddenly I need a vacuum robot!
Also got GLaDOS on my Z10 Pro!
Love Valetudo - it integrates so well with HA and is entirely local.
Womp womp
Manjaro, easy choice.
Is it actually sucky? I think I installed that once, but I didn't use that laptop much.
Yes
https://github.com/arindas/manjarno
Guys we forgot to automatically update the let's encrypt certificate of our repos. In the mean time, just set the date on your machine to last week.
Actual: ChromeOS or Android
Snobby: Ubuntu with Unity
Android is far the best Linux, especially with security and usability
Stock android doesn't even have a phone app. I'd say GrapheneOS is the best android. And good OK Debian is the best Linux (I don't have the bandwidth for arch btw)
That's why android is good. I use a vanilla AOSP
RHEL because the best Linux is the one you pay for.
There's people who pay for Linux!? 😭
But, like, is for support and stuff, no?
A lot of industries are semi-forced into it. Let me give you an example I know of first-hand. Modern SAP stacks support 3 operating systems. Windows Server, RHEL, and SuSE.
You're probably thinking to yourself: "but rhel is just regular linux, surely you can install it on anything if you have the appropriate dependencies, I'll bet it even just works on rhel-compatibles like rocky, alma, or centos stream!"
And you would be
sort ofright, but wrong in the most dystopian way possible. The installer itself does hardcoded checks for "compatible" operating systems, using /etc/os-release and a few other common system files. Spoofing those to rhel 8.5 or whatever is easy enough, but the one that really gets you is a dependency for compat-glibc-X.Y-ZZZZ.x86_64. This "glibc compatibility library" is conveniently only accessible via a super special redhat repository granted by a super special sap license (which is like ~$2,000/year/cpu). Looking at the redhat sources it is actually just a bog-standard semi-modern glibc compile with nothing special. The only other thing you get with this license as far as I can tell is another metapackage that installs dependencies, and makes a few kernel tweaks recommended by SAP.So you can install it on alma/rocky by impersonating rhel in /etc/os-release, and then compiling a version of glibc and linking it in a special hardcoded location, but SAP/Redhat put as many roadblocks in your way as possible to do this. It took me weeks of reverse-engineering the installer to get our farm off of the ~100k/yr that redhat wanted to charge us for essentially:
definitely worth $100,000/yr... much capitalism, many line go up
Finally... I found it... Evil Linux...
Just don't tell that numpty that runs [email protected]
There is nothing evil about it? Like sources are available, rhel itself is cheap and actually invests a lot in oss. If you want an unsupported system you are free to do something like this.
I said evil as in the meme, like the evil version of something is its total opposite. And RHEL sound like the total opposite of what I associate whit Linux.
I assumed that you could just run fedora and spoof RHEL. The fact that you need to use a specific GCC is insane. They must share their source code right? Or, are they no longer sharing it as they are legally required to?
Anyways, RHEL is deep suck.
The source to this compat library is in their sources last I checked, but because it's not part of their standard repos it doesn't technically have to be. I suspect this is eventually the end-goal.
RHEL is subscription based. Not just support anymore. Also for product.
Don't know what to think about it... 😬
Windows running WSL running a VM running Debian 2.2.
@frezik @NONE_dc with WSL2 not much interesting, it's just a VM with some custom drivers
Manjaro might be good, but you'll have to adjust the vacuum's clock every time you want to clean
Joe Linux
Linux who?
Joe Mama Linux
Joe Linux momma
Void
Get it? Because a vaccuum is a vo--
Our roborock robot vacuum runs Ubuntu (I'm not joking)
"I use Arch btw"
TiVo
Just use Windows, it has WSL
Does windows for linux count?
If not, maybe azure linux
Maybe ubuntu since its recommended by microsoft
Nix-OS. Nix translates to "nichts" in german, which translates to "nothing" in english. A vacuum creates sucktion force.
Also I get endless error messages sometimes, when I run
nixos rebuild switch --upgrade, that sucks in a metaphorical sense, I need to modify the versions of programs I install.NixOS does suck me into the occasional rabbit hole - nothing like Gentoo years ago though!
Red Star anybody?
for the unknowing: north Korean proprietary Linux version
@selokichtli @NONE_dc who uses redstar :michaelwazowski:
There was a Windows tablet I bought for PDFs only. It ran some terrible Windows 8 lite version. That would easily be the worst Linux distro.
Windows RT. What a pile.
Ironically it's probably Suckless.
Is suckless a distro? I thought it was just a collection of software
What is a distro but a collection of software?
Distros probably have a kernel though
That Justin Bieber Linux?
(The opposite of Hannah Montana Linux ofc)
wubuntu
Finally a chance for me to install Arch on something!
@NONE_dc i think, vacuum cleaner's stock firmware usually sucks the most
The worst i have used was fedora lxqt. A really disappointing experience. Not entirely unusable, but a big downgrade, even compared to things like Antix. It is incredibly slow, looks ugly, has like 1000 packages at most, that doesn't contain more than the most basic and well known software. When i try to install anything else than dnf as package manager, it will not work, or just break. For someone who wants Linux for experimenting, it is highly advised against
Isn't that just a spin of fedora with a different DE? Should work exactly like any other fedora system, besides the de of course.
Not Linux, but VMS is specifically designed to run on VAX systems.
The one that's put out when Elon buys the Linux Foundation.
Linux
underrated
I have some RedHat CDs from the late 1990s (probably collectible at this point). I remember having a great deal of difficulty mounting my particular cd rom to even install it. I never got a driver for my video card at the time to work, so the "graphics" were awful (640x480 text only, iirc).
Anyway, few experiences will be more frustrating than trying to use them. I think it should be mandatory for aspiring computer people to play with them, so they can appreciate how far we have come.
Linux from Scratch
macOS
Alternatively: WSL
MacOS is Unix though, not Linux.
(it's the only non-mainframe OS that's officially Unix certified)
The various BSDs aren't UNIX certified?
Nope. There's a list here: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
As far as I know, BSD and Linux are "UNIX-like", but only MacOS is actually UNIX.
BSD is based on the original UNIX code, and macOS's kernel is based on FreeBSD specifically. Linux, however, is a clone of UNIX, and therefore "UNIX-like", as you mentioned, but BSD is actual UNIX.
Thanks for the info. I'm not very familiar with BSD.
Debian.
I mean, just look at the logo!
Noobuntu /s
twitter's servers firmware
You need Windows ME for that.
Vista also sucks pretty hard.
Anything with systemd :)
After spending a bit of time today debugging a systemd issue I can start to sympathise with this. Not come across or really looked for viable alternatives that aren't just a return to random bash init scripts though.