Yeah, people keep saying "This time they'll see!" But, aside from the occasional "leopards ate my face" moment, the same people keep lining up for more of the same.
And much of the consequences are sloughed off on the people who are fighting hardest against it.
They're fucking around, and we end up finding out.
Oh, don't worry, on a long enough timeline, everyone ends up finding out. It's just that if they were capable of figuring it out, this all would have been avoided in the first place.
Yeah there seems to be this palpable expectation on Lemmy that any day now half of the voting public is going to have some realisation and say "oh my god what have we done".
It doesn't work like that though.
Most of the actual retarded things Trump said he would do like the tariffs et cetera will be done in performative way. Done in a way that isn't too disruptive or harmful but still lets him say he stuck it to China.
The more insidious project 2025 stuff isn't applied in real time. How does the media report on the slow corrosion of quality of life and rights to privacy et cetera.
I was in the US for the first trump election and in Britain for Brexit. And now I’m back in the US for this shitshow. It’s like I can’t escape the crazy – it’s following me.
Or maybe it’s all my fault and I’m a bad talisman. I dunno, just please make it stop.
ah yes, the illusion of my vote mattering in my state, topped with an icing of illusion of the candidates undemocratically selected by my party representing my views in any way whatsoever. But I'm told it was on me to get off my couch and go vote for one genocider or one that was very likely a genocider, but also a complete fascist nutter. Both choices have broken laws that should have put them behind bars for the rest of their lives.
Really, this is all my fault. Why am I so terrible?
There are a lot of things to be said about Trump, but we've actually had positive headlines regarding genocide heading into his presidency, and it's no coincidence that the ceasefire in Gaza will go into effect when he takes office. Genocide Joe is just going to stack corpses until they wheel him out of the White House.
I don't say this pretending that there isn't likely some profit in it for Trump, because we saw in his first term that every decision he makes profits him financially in some way, but grift is better than more dead civilians.
it’s no coincidence that the ceasefire in Gaza will go into effect when he takes office.
It's no coincidence like it's no coincidence that paying extortion money avoids broken kneecaps.
Its well documented that Netanyahu and Trump are buddy buddy. I guarantee you the timing was to some degree chosen explicitly to benefit Trump. Netanyahu is doing the kinds of things over there that Trump is just itching to do here. (or in Canada or in Mexico)
If Trump gets any credit here it's for being every bit as moustache-twirling-evil as Netanyahu such that their worldview and interests will tend to align.
Yep, even though millions died, we are not saying I told you so cause them idiots doubled down on it and got so obnoxious that the I told you so energy died.
Oh, don't get me wrong, they'd have to be completely incompetent not to at least try and put a finger on the scales - and I'd be fucking shocked if they were the only ones - but at the end of the day, it wasn't Ivan voting, it was Barry. Pretending it wasn't is just setting yourself up for disappointment the next time Barry goes voting.
That's Conservative Playbook 101. Take something working well, intentionally break it, complain that it's broken and needs to be privatized, rinse and repeat.
Yup, they still deflect to Hillary's emails and shit when you call out new cabinet positions. If we could harness their mental gymnastics into physical energy we'd solve the climate crisis.
When there is no big cultural identity for everyone to pretend to be or superheroes, pirates or whatever, this is the culture that idiots have to latch onto.
Makes them still feel like they are part of a club that secludes others.
Yeah, I will never forgive a 2024 Trump voter. They know who they voted for, they know who he is. No excuses this time. Trump voters claiming ignorance this time will not be accepted.
Right, there's no satisfaction in pointing out the results of a conservative power grab. Their narcissism makes them immune to introspection or self-awareness.
Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with control of Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, so it's not unlikely that a portion of voters will flip in 2026.
They'll be back in 2028 though, when the Dems nominate Gavin Newsom and try replay this 'joy and unity' bullshit again.
I picked up rows and rows of "Billionaires shouldn't exist" and "No human is illegal" myself. I need to see if my old ass shitty canon can print on sticker paper. Maybe get back into making stencils.
I'm saying. Like are we even going to have an election in 4 years? The dude violates every Norm, every tradition.
The small part of my brain that is conspiratorial be like, he's not moving the inauguration inside because of the weather or any threat, it's for the optics, It's for watering down the ceremony of the transfer of power, because he doesn't intend to have another one.
The main issue, which I find with conservative voters a lot, is that unless they are obviously and directly impacted by something they will never notice or link actions and consequences.
And even if they are they will redirect it. Was inflation caused by trump printing $7 trillion dollars in one year while forgiving PPP loans made by wealthy businesses? No, it's because Biden passed an infrastructure bill.
Or you can go back 1 step further. Was it caused by Trump firing the pandemic response team and allowing Covid to be the first domestic pandemic in a hundred years, and forcing a shutdown of almost all US business, forcing the Fed to drop interest rates to historic lows to stimulate the economy, and way overdoing that, allowing the wealthy to buy more assets for essentially nothing while the working class worried about if they would lose their jobs while the investor class bought more and more property driving housing inflation while supply chains worldwide were put on hold and then jump started causing everyone to raise price to make up for lost income and increased demand causing inflation in goods. Then with goods being so much more expensive and a ton of freshly printed money driving inflation, did people want to be paid more to continue to exist, driving wage inflation?
No, surely it was Joe Biden being nice to trans people that caused this. People are fucking stupid, and I'm not looking forward to the next 4 years.
Unfortunately for the majority of them it won't be a problem. He'll perform exactly as desired "owning the libtards" and getting rid of "the immigrants". I wish I had a more optimistic outlook on the next 4yr but frankly we already know how it will go from his last term. At least to an extent.
The "Don't blame us we didn't vote for him" crowd immediately turned around and a day later switched to "It doesn't matter if you voted for him, he's still your president" and didn't miss a step. They are fuckin mental contortionists.
I'm not exactly sure either but the "not my president" thing seems to be primarily but not exclusively used by conservatives when they're not in power.
But lack of progressive messaging, the genocide, and doubling down on neo liberal policies actively suppressed the vote. I blame the people who stayed home, but the blame for them doing so is exclusively on Joe Biden who will be remembered as the president who enabled Trump the second term and everything that that enables.
Probably the end of democracy in the US and likely a form of techno-monarchy and neo-feudalism.
You already can. Just look at how liberals are literally going insane, having delusions and hallucinations because they fundamentally cannot comprehend the inherent contradictions of their own existence.
Yeah. Idk how I feel about this gotcha perspective when trans people and undocumented immigrants are facing state violence on a nearly existential level. Like, is this your response to that? To adopt this smug affect and do nothing? Business as usual for you, I suppose.
You'll have to forgive me for taking this post very literally. I am very scared for what is going to happen to my friends and loved ones in the coming weeks.
Four years? In ten years from now, the elections of 2024 will be called the 'Last Elections' and President Musk will arrest people who will call for their return.
Why would I care what Trump loves? Again, not USian.
US hegemony dies = good for the world. The US is the most evil country om Earth. Supporting genocide, invading Iraq and Afghanistan and Korea and Vietnam and Nicaragua and Guatemala and an endless list of countries, engaging in imperialism and unequal exchange, literally born out of genocide and slavery. Can't wait to see the US crash and burn tbh
"Guys, guys, eventually the price will go down. We just need to consolidate the producers to one, then they will definitely lower it to a reasonable price." - Smug Asshole
This might very well not (yet) be the "burning of the reichstag and declaration of the state of emergency" part of the fashist takeover. Trump is incompetent but if he does to much damage the government might just complety collapse and musk and zuck can enact a monarchy.
I am much more afraid of the people in the second row ready to take over than of trump himself.
Bro... Governments came and go. Don't let that dictate your health. My aunt died of lung cancer with an o2 mask clamped to her mouth. It is the worst way to go. I'm rooting for you
Thanks it's actually my legal name, I know there are some imitators out there but make no mistake I'm the original. Bizzle isn't some half-rate streamer or Christian rapper; I'm a sci-fi enthusiast and weed farmer
No my point is that if your addiction starts again because your non preferred candidate got elected, you have a character issue.
I didn’t like Biden as a President but I got consistently stronger and healthier during his term.
The part of my life that I’ve voted Republican corresponds to the part of my life I’ve taken the most realistic assessment of myself and my role in the world, and I see the two as connected.
“Non preferred candidate” - self declared “day one dictator” whose last run ended with women essentially losing the right to survive non viable pregnancies (how many women have already died)? Don’t forget the trans military ban he put in last time, which is probably going to turn into a ban on adult transition.
It's one thing knowing it's going to happen, it's going to be something else entirely when it does.
It's like knowing you're going to die. We all "know" our day is coming, but we don't really appreciate that until we get old or someone close to us passes away.
If you want to lose in 2028, just stick with that smug nonsense, even though you know it doesn't work to win people to your side. Dems have spent the last three elections driving away votes they need if they want to win, and eventually you're going to have to learn to engage with people in a reasonable way if that's what you want.
It is wild, though, that after three disastrous elections in a row (and yes, I"m counting Biden barely squeaking to a win as disastrous) you still think it's a good idea to annoy the shit out of everyone in your social circle.
There is nothing smug about this. This post isn’t about winning people to “our” side. It’s about a dark acceptance of the downfall of society. One that anyone who’s been paying attention has seen coming for a long time. We vote, we gripe online. It does nothing. Because it’s designed to do nothing. We recognize it yet, it’s all we can do. We either hold hands or we fight. Either way we burn together.
If the problems that began under Biden continue under Trump, and your message isn't 100% "Come back to the Democrats. This is how we're going to make it better," along with a solid plan to actually do it, you will lose again. The words "I told you so," shouldn't even be in your vocabulary anymore after the last three elections.
I can, however, look at the last three elections and watch the results of you and yours making it very clear you don't want people's votes. Making people despise you isn't working.
Found the "secret" conservative. Peddle your dumb rhetoric elsewhere, convervatives have been more hateful and despiseable for decades. Reasonable people are fed up with fascists trying to lie, cheat, and bully their way into everything, we're totally allowed to be angry and it's valid to express that. When Biden won, you assholes were so mad, the internet blew up with dumb right wing memes, "He StOlE ThE ElEcTiOn!!! So UnFaIr!!!!" Fuck off.
I'm a Green. I don't support Trump. I don't support Biden, and I don't pretend that I'm not a conservative (when conservative outcomes are what the person I voted for produces) just because my team wears a blue jersey as you do.
The new game from antagonists on Lemmy that get their kink off fighting is calling people secret conservatives. I really just try to avoid talking to them, it's usually just to get a fight they can wank off to later.
It isn't rank-and-file Democrats. At least, not directly. It's their shitty candidates. And they might've actually gotten Sanders nominated, if the DNC hadn't forced Harris on us.
There was no way that Harris was going to win. It didn't matter how nice or persuasive her supporters were. People could clearly see that she was an empty suit.
“I told you so when I stayed home on voting day, didn’t oppose it, and blamed it on democrats while calling every leftist who isn’t just like me a fascist!”
Feel free to do that then. I wish you the best of luck.
The problem is, the stupid people are angry, but barely know what they are angry about, so they will latch on to the first person that feeds their anger. Of course, feeding the anger will make things worse, but that doesn't matter, since it feels good now. Now you have a double problem of the original issue still existing, and half the population asking you to make it worse, and getting mad at you when you don't.
Basically, America is fucked, and I'm just hoping they can keep it limping along long enough for me to die of old age before it completely collapses.
They can't win when they aren't even allowed to pick the candidate. The DNC already plays with a stacked deck, but they still thought that the risk of a Sanders nomination was too likely. That's why they forced Biden/Harris on us.
I really have to praise Trump and Steve Witkoff for what has happened in the last few weeks in the Middle East. It is not Biden, but Trump, who has made it possible for a ceasefire, he says.
Edit: you are free to downvote but you can’t hate Arabs and Muslims and at the same time expect them to vote for you. At least conservatives are honest about being hateful.
So you'd rather vote for the people who want to actively kill you, instead of the ones that mostly just ignore your problems? That's just fucking stupid.
You claim Biden/Harris were NOT" people who want to actively kill you". But the shipping of weapons and coverage for war crimes in the UN proves you're just living in a fantasy world. You need to be serious about this stuff and acknowledge the truths of what they did.
Have a look at the American political landscape. If you can't understand the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans when it comes to the topic of Israel/Palestine, then you have no business commenting on it.
They even dehumanize and demonize Palestinians just to justify their support for Biden. Tribal mentality at its finest.
I am quickly learning that I should keep my distance and not engage. People who deny things that are clear as day are either lying or choose to be willfully ignorant.
In which case you've indirectly given Trump a higher chance of winning (sorry...). I'm also voting green here in Europe, but there's a slight difference with the electoral system. In the USA, I would've had to vote for the democrats, not because I really support their ideas, but because they're the only party that has a realistic chance of winning apart from the drumpsters. It's the sad reality. I hope USA at some point changes their voting system to be more democratic, but right now it's choosing between the lesser evils...
So, the argument you have is that voting doesn't matter individually, only in aggregate. I don't buy that, but even if I did, I live in a blue state. My state would've gone to Harris no matter who I voted for.
My state would’ve gone to Harris no matter who I voted for.
Ok, that's actually a reason I accept.
So, the argument you have is that voting doesn’t matter individually, only in aggregate.
Not entirely. In democracies that e.g. use coalitions to get the majority, like a lot of european democracies, this absolutely makes a difference. But the USA just naturally leans towards this 2-party system. Which btw. degrades the "democratic" aspect quite significantly (i.e. USA is quite low on the democratic index compared to e.g. Norway).
If everyone would sync up and vote together for a different party, it would make a (big) difference.
But hey let's be realistic... I'm extremely idealistic and take every opportunity to change this fucked up system/world to the better.
But still I'm living too long on this planet to not be realistic and just see, that there's unfortunately way less people really wanting to change this system apparently, or rather(?) not seeing what could be done when working together (it's not even that many people even to make a significant change when e.g. protesting), but it's this: "working together" where we're just failing bad, the world is too scattered to see this, and instead further and further falls for the technofeudal (increasingly oligarchic) system that builds and abuses on emotions (mostly anxiety)...
So instead a lot of people vote for whatever candidate sugar-coats and bleats (and lies) the loudest - sadly.
Did you tell me that the dems would rather support a genocide than nominate a winning candidate? Cause I agree.
Or do you mean like how trump was supposed to be worse for palestinians than kamalacaust, but then dude got a ceasefire before even taking office? Because I never would've predicted that.
How are those contradictions? Netanyahu openly favored a trump win and agreeing to a ceasefire before the election would have favored Biden. Trump isn't even in office, Biden has been pushing for a ceasefire for months.
You do know that Trump did the exact opposite, right? He deliberately (and illegally, mind you) pressured Netanyahu not to accept any ceasefire deal until after the election, sacrificing thousands of innocent civilians to make sure he could campaign on the issue.
To be fair, they would have gotten the bombs elsewhere. There's no stopping a genocide when the international arms trade exists. Even if they had to buy US arms, another grey market partner would have filled the void....
The orange dude DIDN'T get a cease fire. Hamas and the Palestinians realized that what Biden had to offer is better than the extinction that Trump will support.
Brexit is still delivering all the "I told you so"s. It's less fun than it sounds.
Yeah, people keep saying "This time they'll see!" But, aside from the occasional "leopards ate my face" moment, the same people keep lining up for more of the same.
And much of the consequences are sloughed off on the people who are fighting hardest against it.
They're fucking around, and we end up finding out.
Oh, don't worry, on a long enough timeline, everyone ends up finding out. It's just that if they were capable of figuring it out, this all would have been avoided in the first place.
It's been nearly 10 years and we're still getting fucked by it.
God damn has it been that long?
Well it depends on if you count from when we voted for it or when we actually did it.
Yeah there seems to be this palpable expectation on Lemmy that any day now half of the voting public is going to have some realisation and say "oh my god what have we done".
It doesn't work like that though.
Most of the actual retarded things Trump said he would do like the tariffs et cetera will be done in performative way. Done in a way that isn't too disruptive or harmful but still lets him say he stuck it to China.
The more insidious project 2025 stuff isn't applied in real time. How does the media report on the slow corrosion of quality of life and rights to privacy et cetera.
I was in the US for the first trump election and in Britain for Brexit. And now I’m back in the US for this shitshow. It’s like I can’t escape the crazy – it’s following me.
Or maybe it’s all my fault and I’m a bad talisman. I dunno, just please make it stop.
What does it mean and whats the context? Actually curious as an ignorant non spanish speaking EU person.
In English, it's more or less telling people to "enjoy what you (all) voted for".
ah yes, the illusion of my vote mattering in my state, topped with an icing of illusion of the candidates undemocratically selected by my party representing my views in any way whatsoever. But I'm told it was on me to get off my couch and go vote for one genocider or one that was very likely a genocider, but also a complete fascist nutter. Both choices have broken laws that should have put them behind bars for the rest of their lives.
Really, this is all my fault. Why am I so terrible?
I hope you understand I was only translating the phrase. I agree with the sentiment toward the MAGOOs, but everyone else is a victim of their idiocy.
Edit: I meant to write MAGAs but MAGOOs at least makes me laugh.
I kinda like magoo vs maga. It feels a little like something someone's old-world Italian uncle would have called a person in anger and disdain.
There are a lot of things to be said about Trump, but we've actually had positive headlines regarding genocide heading into his presidency, and it's no coincidence that the ceasefire in Gaza will go into effect when he takes office. Genocide Joe is just going to stack corpses until they wheel him out of the White House.
I don't say this pretending that there isn't likely some profit in it for Trump, because we saw in his first term that every decision he makes profits him financially in some way, but grift is better than more dead civilians.
It's no coincidence like it's no coincidence that paying extortion money avoids broken kneecaps.
Its well documented that Netanyahu and Trump are buddy buddy. I guarantee you the timing was to some degree chosen explicitly to benefit Trump. Netanyahu is doing the kinds of things over there that Trump is just itching to do here. (or in Canada or in Mexico)
If Trump gets any credit here it's for being every bit as moustache-twirling-evil as Netanyahu such that their worldview and interests will tend to align.
I'd like to argue with that, but you are factually correct.
Still pretty fun not being in the UK. Though I do feel bad for everyone not having voted for this shit.
Yep, even though millions died, we are not saying I told you so cause them idiots doubled down on it and got so obnoxious that the I told you so energy died.
I don't think it's exactly going to be fun, I just know the only pleasure that's left is schadenfreude.
Another one of Russia's massive intellegence successes of late.
"Could it be the English are morons? No! It's the Russian to blame!"
I mean it's obviously both.
Ehh..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
I dunno, there is a fair bit of coincidence there, far more so than anything save the extreme end of a probability curve would suggest.
Oh, don't get me wrong, they'd have to be completely incompetent not to at least try and put a finger on the scales - and I'd be fucking shocked if they were the only ones - but at the end of the day, it wasn't Ivan voting, it was Barry. Pretending it wasn't is just setting yourself up for disappointment the next time Barry goes voting.
No, it's not going to be "I told you so."
Conservatives will still blame Biden and dems for all the problems.
We told you the government doesn’t work! Just look how the government we elected doesn’t work.
That's Conservative Playbook 101. Take something working well, intentionally break it, complain that it's broken and needs to be privatized, rinse and repeat.
What is the US Postal Service?
It's the government office that handles mail delivery, but that's not important right now.
Yup, they still deflect to Hillary's emails and shit when you call out new cabinet positions. If we could harness their mental gymnastics into physical energy we'd solve the climate crisis.
Over Christmas my mom showed me her new "Lock Her Up!" shirt. It's been almost 10 years since Clinton has been relevant, move on.
When there is no big cultural identity for everyone to pretend to be or superheroes, pirates or whatever, this is the culture that idiots have to latch onto.
Makes them still feel like they are part of a club that secludes others.
Also, there's a lot of people that will say, "don't be mean to them, that never changes their mind!" "talk to them, be empathetic"
Man, anyone suffering after voting for Trump deserves a big "fuck you".
Yeah, I will never forgive a 2024 Trump voter. They know who they voted for, they know who he is. No excuses this time. Trump voters claiming ignorance this time will not be accepted.
Right, there's no satisfaction in pointing out the results of a conservative power grab. Their narcissism makes them immune to introspection or self-awareness.
Not if historic patterns repeat.
Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with control of Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, so it's not unlikely that a portion of voters will flip in 2026.
They'll be back in 2028 though, when the Dems nominate Gavin Newsom and try replay this 'joy and unity' bullshit again.
It's the deeeeeep state!
Don't forget the "I wish dems did better!". You and me. Both but... Buckle up.
Who cares about conservatives? we talkin about who didnt vote or those "swing voters"
We talkin bout practice.
"You fuckers asked for this so either shut up or move"
Going to be the only thing keeping me going
I'm buying a bunch of "I did that!" Trump stickers to slap on empty grocery shelves. That's gonna be fun.
Yep those things need to be EVERYWHERE after they had those dumbass Biden ones, and the best part is that this time they'll actually be correct
I picked up rows and rows of "Billionaires shouldn't exist" and "No human is illegal" myself. I need to see if my old ass shitty canon can print on sticker paper. Maybe get back into making stencils.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/12444598
Bold of you to think it will end in 4 years.
2016: "it's no like roe is going away! People are over reacting!" 2024: "...."
I'm saying. Like are we even going to have an election in 4 years? The dude violates every Norm, every tradition.
The small part of my brain that is conspiratorial be like, he's not moving the inauguration inside because of the weather or any threat, it's for the optics, It's for watering down the ceremony of the transfer of power, because he doesn't intend to have another one.
The authoritarian right will keep pushing until people push back harder.
Poor Norm.
As much as I enjoy saying "I told you so," which is a LOT, I'm really goddamn tired of being proven right so fucking much.
The main issue, which I find with conservative voters a lot, is that unless they are obviously and directly impacted by something they will never notice or link actions and consequences.
And even if they are they will redirect it. Was inflation caused by trump printing $7 trillion dollars in one year while forgiving PPP loans made by wealthy businesses? No, it's because Biden passed an infrastructure bill.
Or you can go back 1 step further. Was it caused by Trump firing the pandemic response team and allowing Covid to be the first domestic pandemic in a hundred years, and forcing a shutdown of almost all US business, forcing the Fed to drop interest rates to historic lows to stimulate the economy, and way overdoing that, allowing the wealthy to buy more assets for essentially nothing while the working class worried about if they would lose their jobs while the investor class bought more and more property driving housing inflation while supply chains worldwide were put on hold and then jump started causing everyone to raise price to make up for lost income and increased demand causing inflation in goods. Then with goods being so much more expensive and a ton of freshly printed money driving inflation, did people want to be paid more to continue to exist, driving wage inflation?
No, surely it was Joe Biden being nice to trans people that caused this. People are fucking stupid, and I'm not looking forward to the next 4 years.
Instead of I told you so I might just start saying
I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance these fascists are going to deal with.
Unfortunately for the majority of them it won't be a problem. He'll perform exactly as desired "owning the libtards" and getting rid of "the immigrants". I wish I had a more optimistic outlook on the next 4yr but frankly we already know how it will go from his last term. At least to an extent.
The "Don't blame us we didn't vote for him" crowd immediately turned around and a day later switched to "It doesn't matter if you voted for him, he's still your president" and didn't miss a step. They are fuckin mental contortionists.
What?
Like I'm actually confused, what?
I'm not exactly sure either but the "not my president" thing seems to be primarily but not exclusively used by conservatives when they're not in power.
But lack of progressive messaging, the genocide, and doubling down on neo liberal policies actively suppressed the vote. I blame the people who stayed home, but the blame for them doing so is exclusively on Joe Biden who will be remembered as the president who enabled Trump the second term and everything that that enables.
Probably the end of democracy in the US and likely a form of techno-monarchy and neo-feudalism.
Time to study the French Revolution comrades!
In spite of themselves. Despair is a useless emotion.
You already can. Just look at how liberals are literally going insane, having delusions and hallucinations because they fundamentally cannot comprehend the inherent contradictions of their own existence.
Huh, a rare Lemmy conservative. Take a photo, kids.
Just look at how far-leftists are boosting Russia and ignoring their massive psyops operations, one of which Trump is.
Russia is an american operation, not the opposite. Remember the 90ies when they got coup'ed and starved for ten years?
Everything bad is Russia's fault
-Average American
Climate change wasn’t real enough for half the country, so now everyone has to suffer.
Yeah. Idk how I feel about this gotcha perspective when trans people and undocumented immigrants are facing state violence on a nearly existential level. Like, is this your response to that? To adopt this smug affect and do nothing? Business as usual for you, I suppose.
You'll have to forgive me for taking this post very literally. I am very scared for what is going to happen to my friends and loved ones in the coming weeks.
So
Got it
Those 2 options both depend on having money to fund your escape. People unfortunately can't just leave. Children can't just leave.
then you have nothing to lose. join the resistance.
Four years? In ten years from now, the elections of 2024 will be called the 'Last Elections' and President Musk will arrest people who will call for their return.
I'm expecting a total collapse before that happens.
One can only hope. Death to the genocidal empire
I'm not an accelerationist, I'm just not a citizen of the US and the faster the empire dies, the better for the rest of the world.
Why would I care what Trump loves? Again, not USian.
US hegemony dies = good for the world. The US is the most evil country om Earth. Supporting genocide, invading Iraq and Afghanistan and Korea and Vietnam and Nicaragua and Guatemala and an endless list of countries, engaging in imperialism and unequal exchange, literally born out of genocide and slavery. Can't wait to see the US crash and burn tbh
$20 eggs is merely part of the 29D chess move that will eventually make eggs free!
Just keep waiting.
"Guys, guys, eventually the price will go down. We just need to consolidate the producers to one, then they will definitely lower it to a reasonable price." - Smug Asshole
Once one billionaire owns literally everything he will finally have sufficient power to lower the price of eggs.
It's been like that for the last 2 months.
Silver lining is that we're looking at a clown-show fascist circus instead of an effective fascist takeover.
This might very well not (yet) be the "burning of the reichstag and declaration of the state of emergency" part of the fashist takeover. Trump is incompetent but if he does to much damage the government might just complety collapse and musk and zuck can enact a monarchy.
I am much more afraid of the people in the second row ready to take over than of trump himself.
They moved the innuagriation indoors because "reasons". Monday is going to be fun, for sure.
Dude I hadn't smoked a cigarette for like 2yrs and then after election day... I'm smoking again.
Bro... Governments came and go. Don't let that dictate your health. My aunt died of lung cancer with an o2 mask clamped to her mouth. It is the worst way to go. I'm rooting for you
I appreciate you bro 💜 my grandma died from lung cancer too, horrible shit. I'm hoping that by the time I'm old, they'll be able to grow clone lungs 🤞
This is why lefties shouldn’t run the country. Your whole game is fair weather optimized.
What the fuck are you even talking about lmfao get out of here
sidepoint, i love your name
Thanks it's actually my legal name, I know there are some imitators out there but make no mistake I'm the original. Bizzle isn't some half-rate streamer or Christian rapper; I'm a sci-fi enthusiast and weed farmer
So your point is that we should have been preparing for the apocalypse a long time ago like you?
No my point is that if your addiction starts again because your non preferred candidate got elected, you have a character issue.
I didn’t like Biden as a President but I got consistently stronger and healthier during his term.
The part of my life that I’ve voted Republican corresponds to the part of my life I’ve taken the most realistic assessment of myself and my role in the world, and I see the two as connected.
“Non preferred candidate” - self declared “day one dictator” whose last run ended with women essentially losing the right to survive non viable pregnancies (how many women have already died)? Don’t forget the trans military ban he put in last time, which is probably going to turn into a ban on adult transition.
You understand that fascism is bad right?
You are being impolite and arrogant.
what????
Do you have a more specific question? Or is this just another opportunity to dunk for the room?
Okay you said whatever you wanted. Now what?
This is false and we know this from the pandemic.
Once you can’t agree on facts, you can’t be right retrospectively.
Millions of people died, if you google US yearly death rate you see a very obvious spike.
To me that is the smoking gun that the pandemic was in fact very deadly.
I haven’t been able to say I told you so to any anti vaxxer.
It’s not about logic, it’s about outrage, and that’s gonna increase moving forward.
It's one thing knowing it's going to happen, it's going to be something else entirely when it does.
It's like knowing you're going to die. We all "know" our day is coming, but we don't really appreciate that until we get old or someone close to us passes away.
Just like when George left the production team of the HBO series.
What is this picture?
Looks like it's from the set of Game of Thrones.
Since you believe in facts so much, you must agree that during American hegemony the world has never been more prosperous.
They will be extra shit years, but good years weren't on the ballot.
Our economy would have to undergo fundamental change to reign in greed and reckless metastasis for that.
(yes I voted for regular shit years out of harm reduction)
Don't vote for corporate lackies. It only encourages them.
Is this how people think? “Haha I told ya it was gonna be shit! I was right and you were wrong!! So you deserve to feel guilty for all the suffering!”
C’mon guys. We’re better than this.
Uhh...
Ok maybe not
"And they were not."
If I'm talking to someone who voted for it to happen, then yeah, that will be my attitude when it happens.
If you want to lose in 2028, just stick with that smug nonsense, even though you know it doesn't work to win people to your side. Dems have spent the last three elections driving away votes they need if they want to win, and eventually you're going to have to learn to engage with people in a reasonable way if that's what you want.
It is wild, though, that after three disastrous elections in a row (and yes, I"m counting Biden barely squeaking to a win as disastrous) you still think it's a good idea to annoy the shit out of everyone in your social circle.
There is nothing smug about this. This post isn’t about winning people to “our” side. It’s about a dark acceptance of the downfall of society. One that anyone who’s been paying attention has seen coming for a long time. We vote, we gripe online. It does nothing. Because it’s designed to do nothing. We recognize it yet, it’s all we can do. We either hold hands or we fight. Either way we burn together.
It's 100% smug.
If the problems that began under Biden continue under Trump, and your message isn't 100% "Come back to the Democrats. This is how we're going to make it better," along with a solid plan to actually do it, you will lose again. The words "I told you so," shouldn't even be in your vocabulary anymore after the last three elections.
Yeahhhh grab em by the p, alt Reich!!!
I'm not alt-right.
I'm not even a Trump supporter.
I can, however, look at the last three elections and watch the results of you and yours making it very clear you don't want people's votes. Making people despise you isn't working.
Found the "secret" conservative. Peddle your dumb rhetoric elsewhere, convervatives have been more hateful and despiseable for decades. Reasonable people are fed up with fascists trying to lie, cheat, and bully their way into everything, we're totally allowed to be angry and it's valid to express that. When Biden won, you assholes were so mad, the internet blew up with dumb right wing memes, "He StOlE ThE ElEcTiOn!!! So UnFaIr!!!!" Fuck off.
Respectfully, you're wrong.
I'm a Green. I don't support Trump. I don't support Biden, and I don't pretend that I'm not a conservative (when conservative outcomes are what the person I voted for produces) just because my team wears a blue jersey as you do.
The new game from antagonists on Lemmy that get their kink off fighting is calling people secret conservatives. I really just try to avoid talking to them, it's usually just to get a fight they can wank off to later.
If you don't like what I have to say, please just hit the block button and move on.
It isn't rank-and-file Democrats. At least, not directly. It's their shitty candidates. And they might've actually gotten Sanders nominated, if the DNC hadn't forced Harris on us.
There was no way that Harris was going to win. It didn't matter how nice or persuasive her supporters were. People could clearly see that she was an empty suit.
You mean Hillary, different H.
OH wait unless you meant the second time when they decided to run Biden again and then when that clearly was a bad idea they shoved Harris in?
Yes, I'm talking about 2024.
Sorry, gets confusing after so many.
“I told you so when I stayed home on voting day, didn’t oppose it, and blamed it on democrats while calling every leftist who isn’t just like me a fascist!”
-American leftists
If you know it all, why don't you know how to win an election?
Because you can't fix stupid.
Sometimes you just have to punch yourself in the face, just to see if it hurts. Then do it again.
Don't you realize what a tremendous self-own that is?
"We're so dumb, we can't even get stupid people to vote for us!"
Here's an idea. How about asking the people what they need, and then making that your platform. Have you thought of that?
Feel free to do that then. I wish you the best of luck.
The problem is, the stupid people are angry, but barely know what they are angry about, so they will latch on to the first person that feeds their anger. Of course, feeding the anger will make things worse, but that doesn't matter, since it feels good now. Now you have a double problem of the original issue still existing, and half the population asking you to make it worse, and getting mad at you when you don't.
Basically, America is fucked, and I'm just hoping they can keep it limping along long enough for me to die of old age before it completely collapses.
They can't win when they aren't even allowed to pick the candidate. The DNC already plays with a stacked deck, but they still thought that the risk of a Sanders nomination was too likely. That's why they forced Biden/Harris on us.
Starting with a ceasefire on his inauguration day...
Are MAGAs aware enough to know
MuskTrump isn't president yet?No, Trump is just so awesome, that his powers go into effect before he's even inaugurated! Are you ready to start winning?!
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Because the past few years were good, no complicity in genocide or anything.
Edit: you are free to downvote but you can’t hate Arabs and Muslims and at the same time expect them to vote for you. At least conservatives are honest about being hateful.
So you'd rather vote for the people who want to actively kill you, instead of the ones that mostly just ignore your problems? That's just fucking stupid.
You claim Biden/Harris were NOT" people who want to actively kill you". But the shipping of weapons and coverage for war crimes in the UN proves you're just living in a fantasy world. You need to be serious about this stuff and acknowledge the truths of what they did.
Have a look at the American political landscape. If you can't understand the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans when it comes to the topic of Israel/Palestine, then you have no business commenting on it.
Sounds like you think everyone who disagrees with you "cant understand". You must be fun at parties.
Where did they say they voted Republican?
Democrats didn't "ignore" the genocide, they funded it and enabled it
Democrats don't like it when you tell them that Biden will only be remembered as the person who enabled the Palestinian genocide. But it's true.
They even dehumanize and demonize Palestinians just to justify their support for Biden. Tribal mentality at its finest.
I am quickly learning that I should keep my distance and not engage. People who deny things that are clear as day are either lying or choose to be willfully ignorant.
Are you one of trumpsters, that didn't understood, that Trump will be worse to Palestinians? God I'm tired of hearing this shit...
No, Green Party. I voted for Jill Stein.
In which case you've indirectly given Trump a higher chance of winning (sorry...). I'm also voting green here in Europe, but there's a slight difference with the electoral system. In the USA, I would've had to vote for the democrats, not because I really support their ideas, but because they're the only party that has a realistic chance of winning apart from the drumpsters. It's the sad reality. I hope USA at some point changes their voting system to be more democratic, but right now it's choosing between the lesser evils...
So, the argument you have is that voting doesn't matter individually, only in aggregate. I don't buy that, but even if I did, I live in a blue state. My state would've gone to Harris no matter who I voted for.
Ok, that's actually a reason I accept.
Not entirely. In democracies that e.g. use coalitions to get the majority, like a lot of european democracies, this absolutely makes a difference. But the USA just naturally leans towards this 2-party system. Which btw. degrades the "democratic" aspect quite significantly (i.e. USA is quite low on the democratic index compared to e.g. Norway).
Big part of the difference being that people actuslly vote for third candidates lmao
If everyone would sync up and vote together for a different party, it would make a (big) difference. But hey let's be realistic... I'm extremely idealistic and take every opportunity to change this fucked up system/world to the better. But still I'm living too long on this planet to not be realistic and just see, that there's unfortunately way less people really wanting to change this system apparently, or rather(?) not seeing what could be done when working together (it's not even that many people even to make a significant change when e.g. protesting), but it's this: "working together" where we're just failing bad, the world is too scattered to see this, and instead further and further falls for the technofeudal (increasingly oligarchic) system that builds and abuses on emotions (mostly anxiety)...
So instead a lot of people vote for whatever candidate sugar-coats and bleats (and lies) the loudest - sadly.
Did you tell me that the dems would rather support a genocide than nominate a winning candidate? Cause I agree.
Or do you mean like how trump was supposed to be worse for palestinians than kamalacaust, but then dude got a ceasefire before even taking office? Because I never would've predicted that.
Lol Trump was not responsible for the ceasefire. Read the news
If they read the news, they wouldn't post the stupid stuff they post.
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Simultaneously 'Trump did not get the ceasefire' and also 'Netanyahu intentionally waited until after Trump won to agree to a ceasefire'
How are those contradictions? Netanyahu openly favored a trump win and agreeing to a ceasefire before the election would have favored Biden. Trump isn't even in office, Biden has been pushing for a ceasefire for months.
It isn't, unless you are looking to assign credit to Biden
You're telling me your guy could have done a ceasefire a year ago and he didn't?
Jesus I hope he's thrown in jail. What an evil person
Biden is not my guy, I hate the dude
Could have? Sure. Did he use any leverage whatsoever? No.
Can't wait for Trump Tower to start construction on the pristine West Bank beachfront.
Trump was 100% responsible for the ceasefire according to the news.
You do know that Trump did the exact opposite, right? He deliberately (and illegally, mind you) pressured Netanyahu not to accept any ceasefire deal until after the election, sacrificing thousands of innocent civilians to make sure he could campaign on the issue.
Wow, that would be a really big controversy in a normal world.
You do know Biden kept sending bombs to Israel which is the only reason the genocide was going on right?
To be fair, they would have gotten the bombs elsewhere. There's no stopping a genocide when the international arms trade exists. Even if they had to buy US arms, another grey market partner would have filled the void....
Israel does not have the money for it. Biden funded 70% of the genocide.
Then it was incitement to commit genocide, which is a capital offense. You guys should have arrested him, you had a responsibility to the world.
Not while the Invade the Hauge act exists....
The orange dude DIDN'T get a cease fire. Hamas and the Palestinians realized that what Biden had to offer is better than the extinction that Trump will support.
That's so wrong. The palestinians were ready to accept a ceasefire MONTHs ago.
Hamas accepted that deal in June. Netanyahu refused it. Trump made Netanyahu accept it
You are consuming extreme Democrat propaganda if you think Hamas blocked the deal.