Day 1 Reddit Refugee
Just checking the place out after not being able to stand Reddit and its policies anymore. Their policing of Luigi posts was the last straw for me. Going public ruins companies.
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Just checking the place out after not being able to stand Reddit and its policies anymore. Their policing of Luigi posts was the last straw for me. Going public ruins companies.
Going straight to shitpost is certainly a choice, welcome anyway.
Tbf, the number of posts on shit post pretty much outnumber the other communities.
Even the Linux and Star Trek ones.
I've been here about a year now. Good times. Your voice counts on lemmy in a way it really really doesn't on reddit. People will engage with you because you're human and say human things. It's much more welcoming for people who like to talk somehow than reddit ever was. Don't know why.
By the way, people talk a lot about how lemmy.world censors luigi, but I use lemmy.world and see, upvote and sometimes comment on plenty of luigi stuff without mod intervention. Maybe it's just one of two communities (subreddits) where it's enforced.
If you're a communist and don't like to hear China (or sometimes for some weird reason Russia) criticised, and if you feel that the USA is the Imperialist power that needs to be broken first, you'll feel most at home in lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, but also lemmy.ml if you want to keep access to stuff from lemmy.world.
If you're progressive or liberal, you'll be fairly happy here on lemmy.world. If you're a conservative, I don't know where to recommend you.
There are various country specific ones you might find suit you for other reasons.
All in all I'm not sure it matters a great deal as much as it sounds in my post. People from different instances turn up and say stuff anyway.
The best advice is that you don't have to lurk as much as you used to on reddit, you can show up and engage and the conversation will start around you.
I would add that I think checking out and joining smaller instances is also a great opportunity. Distributes the user load across servers and being one of fewer voices in an instance means you have a bigger say in who you federate with. You also get to be a third party instance to most of the big drama and don't get judged just for your instance as much
Edit: also, if you like your instance, contribute to it!
This is a really good point.
or join the dark side like me.
Thank you! This is actually quite helpful.
There’s also no rule or technical limitation that prevents you from joining several different instances, with the same (or different) username.
I'm also an old redditor who's been here for 1.5 years after 3rd party apps died.
This place is much more human and less "dead internet theory" than reddit. Engage with people as much as you'd like and you'll enjoy being here
Also for radical leftists who happily criticise Russia and China (anarchists), servers you might enjoy are: lemmy.dbzer0.com and slrpnk.net
That's because the knee-jerk reaction for many of the mods/admins of .world communities, like news, was to massively censor and temp ban people for celebrating what Luigi did... for about 6 hours.
They were massively lambasted for this, they provided nonsensical explanations for the censorship with flimsy explanations based on their community and instance rules which they were very obviously selectively interpreting, were lambasted for these explanations, and then after about 6 hours they largely reversed course, stopped policing ao heavily and undid a bunch of the 24 hour instance wide temp bans.
You can find a few threads/posts on the yepowertrippinbastards community of lemmy.dbzero about this, or check their own modlogs, if they haven't scrubbed or obfuscated them.
Ah that all makes sense now, thank you for explaining.
Seems more or less accurate. Partly it's that we're all learning this together. Partly it's that we have a variety of mods that are different for each major community. Partly I think it was an overreaction to legal obligations. Partly it's that when you have a hammer (mod/admin tools), the tendency is to think that you should use them.
Not an excuse, of course. But people really easily love to criticize any kind of leadership with a broad brush without much willingness or understanding of how things should be led. You wouldn't believe the number of people who say they "don't have time" to moderate a community that likely takes less than five minutes of work a month.
I'm pretty liberal and haven't had much issue with lemmy.ml. Stay away from lemmygrad.
Try saying that labor conditions in China should be better.
Hello fellow lemming. Welcome aboard!
here's a tip:
I also like "all" and "top 6 hours" to mix it up
I'm more of a "all"/"subscribed" & "top day" dude, but it probably won't take too much experimentation to find a mode that fits well
At least here we can choose how we're browsing without an algorithm shoving posts at us
That's my default bookmark.
Welcome, have a seat... remember when the narwal bacon or some shit like that... back then reddit is todays Lemmy.
Hah, I remember being a cringey teenager and spruiking Reddit to all my friends with the narwhal shit
Lemmy now definitely feels smaller than old reddit but has much better quality posts and posters
Been on Lemmy since the App/API ban. Haven't looked back at reddit since, other than the occasional search result pointing to someone's q&a.
Side note, anyone else tired of all the sanitized AI slop that pervades search results? The only websites worth visiting these days are user forums (incl. reddit/Lemmy) and wikipedia.
The AI slop isn't the issue. AI could be a blessing. It's the corpos that are ruining it, like they are ruining everything else
Yeeeeess. I need to install something that auto-removes google's AI answer at the top of every page.
I'm glad you knew exactly the community to turn to first 😂
If your experience is like mine when I ditched reddit, it’ll take a few months for the learned defensiveness and self-editing to wear off. People seem more mature here (except for our sense of humor) and I’ve found less trolling and sealioning.
The interface quality is down, but the quality of content is way, way up. It more than makes up the difference.
More mature? Bro, we're all reditors. It's the same fucking crowd.
It's really hard for openly reactionary communities to get a hold here, because rather than being given free reign by fiat, they get defedded. The reactionaries are definitely here, and lemmy.world among other open instsnces are a bit of a haven for them, but even lemmy.world has to make concessions to the fact that if they become too much of a shithole then the other instances will make alternatives and render them irrelevant.
It turns out that without a big daddy institution to shelter them, reactionaries don't thrive, their communities can't metastisise, and they are super unpopular. That's the big difference.
That's the problem with being quick to block people is I can't tell when they fall off
I think I've blocked like one or two obvious trolls in my time here, and it's been relatively peaceful. I haven't felt any need to block people for the most part.
Most of the people I blocked were heavy participants in hexbear and it was before instance blocking was exposed for users. But I agree, its pretty chill compared to Reddit. Although its way less friendly than Mastadon, so lately I've been a lot more active on Mastadon
It feels like we are more the early adopter tech savvy redditors though. As user ~2000 of Reddit, Lemmy feels very much like Reddit did prior to the Digg migration (after which things seemed to dumb down considerably).
Nah I'm too cheap to be an early adopter unless it's kitchen appliances
Lemmy is at least as cheap as the alternative.
I will pay you if you let me give you checkmarks. Please be my friend
I will gladly take your money.
Yeah but only people who didn’t find what they were looking for in reddit are here. Which is essentially a good thing haha
Just calling it like I see it. I’m sure everyone’s experience is different.
I’d say people are very defensive and aggressive still but the filters and blocking helps me a lot. Though I’ve been sassy I do want to try to make a better nicer place
Agreed. a block of a username or six does wonders. It wasnt as possible to do that on reddit.
This is true unless you use .world or .ml
What's your favourite linux distro?
wubuntu
Why did they not call it uwubuntu it was right there
Welcome!
You'll find that the volume here is much (much much MUCH!!!) lower than reddit. As frustrating as this can be, the only solution is to stand and create more content. More worthwhile posts, more comments, more interaction. At its height, that was exactly what made reddit successful.
Well, it also means it's easier to comment and post without getting immediately buried.
FYI - the admin of the instance you signed up for also censored similar posts
Was it the admin of the instance or an individual mod? I'm still trying to figure out the policies of each instance versus its communities. I mod a few communities on .world and have never had any admin come in and do anything there.
I'm not sure it's good to condemn all of .world if it's just a few mods doing this, especially since .ml is one of the main alternatives and thousands of times worse, removing anything remotely critical of China or Russia.
I got banned for ‚racism‘ in some community when I said China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs. I also say Russia is doing it against Ukrainians and Israel against Palestinians, but it doesn’t matter. I thought .ml can’t be as bad as everyone says because I’m not exactly in the liberal camp but I had to learn that they are really bad…
Yeah it took me a few months to realize the extent of the problem too. I was getting modded for suggesting that Ukrainians should fight back against Russians.
I don't participate in any .ml communities any more and I block the ones who leak out into others. It's a real pity that so much of Lemmy is ruined by tankies.
Wait until you cone across MAGA's who are runimg the entire fucking world :)
Not defending tankies (fcuk Russia!) but they're a tiny minority. Normalising the appallingly repugnant behaviours of vast numbers is even more repellent. (Ttreatment of First Nations and refugees for example)
No fan of MAGA's but interestingly I haven't run into any here. Just tankies.
I'm not a liberal either, but ml and hexbear are tankie shitholes, 100%
It was the admin, not some mod. They even said jury nullification posts were prohibited. It was all announced in an admin post.
Interesting. Any idea where to find the admin posts?
This is the update post for it at least: https://lemmy.world/post/22920690
The reasoning was 'jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes' potentially falling under 'advocating for violence'. They decided to clarify the rules a bit and going forward, advocating for violence is still banned, but have been directed that the policy doesn't apply to violence that has already happened.
Policy update seems reasonable at least. I'm curious where we could find the policies of other instances. Maybe I would move my communities if I found a better fit.
It ended up becoming more reasonable after it was pointed out that jury nullification is a real thing and restricting discussion about a legal term is... kinda nuts? The justification that they gave for restricting it was pretty flakey too: There are no legal cases where a website was held liable for not deleting jury nullification discussions (which is doubly ridiculous because, at least for now, website hosts are also protected as common carriers, which means they are 100% not legally responsible for what their users post, regardless of what it is outside of very specific circumstances where they would be obligated to remove it like a DMCA takedown notice.
It's on Lemmy.world's announcements community but here is a direct link:
https://lemmy.world/post/22920690
I joined a few weeks after the Reddit API was made paid, but I left Reddit the day it happened. Better late than never, I guess. Welcome to Lemmy.
If you wanna delete your Reddit account, make sure you use PowerDeleteSuite to get rid of all of your posts and comments before clicking that delete button on your account. Not doing so will keep your contributions to the website live.
D'ya like star trek, bub?
No? Well, you're gonna!
I've been here for like a year and a half, and I'm still not interested in Star Trek all that much.
Of course I use Linux, why else would I be using Lemmy.
Welcome to Lemmy! I'm glad you joined. There are tons of tutorials out there for how to use the platform, but if it helps, here's my advice:
I use the Android app Sync For Lemmy. Reminds me a lot of rif is fun from before Reddit shut down 3rd party API access about a year ago.
Lemmy.World is the name of the biggest instance on Lemmy. Think of it as a discord channel with different sub-channels except those are called communities here (and instead of r/ for subreddits we have c/ for communities).
There are still trolls here. What's nice about Lemmy is that you can block individual trolls, communities of trolls, or even instances of trolls (if you deem them so). Conversely, if you get banned from any of the above, you can make a new account on any other instance (like dbzer0 or shitjustworks) and still have access to the content from those people/places. The same is true if certain communities/instances change their policies on things like Luigi, which happened on Lemmy.World recently. I switched over to dbzer0 to avoid that censorship and to also see stuff about pirating - that which is banned on Lemmy.World.
Lastly, we can see posts/comments from other people on the Fediverse, like from Mastodon (Twitter alternative) and others.
Hope you enjoy your stay here! Lemmy is primarily tech- and politics-focused rn, but a lot of people draw parallels to Reddit's early days, which is good!
How do you do this? I was not aware this was possible
How do I do what
What i meant to ask is if i need to do anything special to see posts from mastodon
No I think they just show up randomly. You'll have to look out for Lemmy posts to see if anyone from Mastodon comments. Next to their name is their instance, so if I were on Mastodon, my username would be something like: [email protected] or something
ah, ok! I'll do that. I'm mostly using lemmy.world, so hopefully i'll see it, but i wanna read through all that is said here and see if i could take advantage of more of what lemmy has to offer
See posts from Mastodon
They just show up in comments or posts on Lemmy. Usually you'll see people use a lot of @'s and #'s but they show up from time to time. I'm not sure if there's a way to see comments from Mastodon specifically
dont forget to checkout mbin. its slightly less fugly than lemmy with access to all the same content/functionality and more.
ex. https://moist.catsweat.com
That's quite the url
Welcome to Lemmy,I hope you like this place!
I use the Android app Raccoon it looks nice + feature packed, On IOS you can use Mlem and Echo(Proprietary)
If you can you may also choose to spin up your own instance.
I got tired of The Toxic Redditors which what made me leave in about September 2023 and the companies weird and awful decisions.
Welcome. Here's some stuff:
All that and no beans?
Are you lemminging, son?
Nope. I'm dissociating!
Just post stuff. There's less people here - but that also means you can make a big difference in the quality of the community
Only issue you might find with signing up for world is you can't get db0's piracy communities. I've been too lazy to switch since coming from kbin though myself.
Weird part is the last announcement I can find from .world admins said those communities were going to be reinstated, but then here we are months later and they still seem busted.
But also check out the booty
Welcome in from the cold. We have blankets and cocoa.
Will pop some chocolate chip biscuits in the oven while you warm up the cocoa
Welcome!
You may already have it handled but just in case here's a post with some resources to help you find communities and migrate from reddit. I hope you find Lemmy more to your liking!
what about https://lemmyverse.net/ ! (I see your post did mention it 😁, serves me right for skimming your post)
Welcome! Always happy to see new faces showing up.
This place is significantly smaller than Reddit, and also significantly more spread out. It grows on you, but it's important to look beyond the similarities between how lemmy.world and Reddit look. Under the hood, these are very different spaces.
"Lemmy" is actually a large network of independently operated Lemmy-based (or not... more on that later) websites. Each website has their own rules, and their own "communities" (AKA sublemmies, magazines, groups, etc.). You're using one of, if not the, largest website in the network, and the one that is probably most Reddit-like (pre-IPO) in terms of rules and policies. It's a general purpose content aggregator.
There are quite a few other medium-to-large general purpose content aggregator sites on the network. lemm.ee comes to mind, as does sh.itjust.works. And, of course, lemmy.ca, which is where I'm commenting from. Each of these websites has its own communities, and houses mirrors of remote communities that their users have subscribed to. Remote communities with local subscribers synchronize with the host website every so often (it can be quite frequently, but usually isn't instantaneously). This makes the whole thing kind of like being on a web forum, but being able to follow topics from other web forums.
As you can imagine, this means there are some niche websites on the network. ttrpg.network is dedicated to table top gaming; startrek.website is focused on... I don't know, some tv show or something; programming.dev hosts a bunch of communities focused on software engineering; lemmy.kde.social is focused on the KDE desktop environment for linux. These are often low-population sites, but they can see a lot of off-site engagement. Focused sites like that are great sites to use if your primary interest is the topic at hand; it really makes the Local feed super valuable.
If you remember that we're not all using the same website, and that the different websites are, in fact, different websites, with their own rules, cultures, and norms, it helps grok the space a lot more. It also makes it easier to understand why there might be 8 different politics communities, and that c/politics on lemmy.world might be very different, both in terms of who is posting there, and also what they're interested in discussing, from c/politics on lemmy.ca, or on aussie.zone.
Now, one thing that's not obvious from lemmy.world (or any Lemmy-based website, really), is that not every website you have access to here is actually running Lemmy. kbin.earth and rimworld.gallery both run mbin, which is a different content aggregation webserver. community.nodebb.org runs nodebb, a web forum server.
People have access to Lemmy communities from an even wider range of website types. Users from Mastodon-based websites, Friendica-based websites, Hubzilla-based websites, and probably quite a few more.
We're all on different websites. Some of those websites are significantly more different than others. That shapes this space in ways we haven't even begun to truly explore yet. And it adds a little jank.
But the jank is worth it, as far as I'm concerned.
Meanwhile on lemmy
Welcome!
You can make your own Lemmy iinstance and be your own censorship police, that's the difference. Thats NOT an option on Reddit.
Hell, you don't even have to be on Lemmy, Mastodon, any if the Bins etc can interact bacause they alo use ActivityPub.
There are plethora of instances people don't federate with becase they don't agree with them, that's how it SHOULD be.
Yeah, that's the one we don't allow. You found it.
Do not encourage violence.
(User was banned for 3 days.)
Agreed and welcome! Be prepared to engage in or create a new space for the communities you care about. Things feel like they're just getting started here, but that's ok. Good luck and have fun!
I'm here for the same reasons. I'm still figuring it out. So far so good though.
Hey, welcome. Hope you find the places you like here. That's all.
Welcome to Lemmy/The Fediverse! If you don't like Lemmy, there's also Mbin instances. They're both good but I like Mbin's interface a little more.
Don't forget, there are also a ton of good mobile apps for Lemmy. I like Connect but there are a lot of good ones.
Happy cake day!
Don't forget, there's https://lemmyverse.net/communities to help find communities across all Lemmy instances. You can set your home instance to lemmy.world and then click through to the subs you want to subscribe to. 👌🤗
Welcome! We have furry porn
There's no going back anyways. I've tried making new accounts. It's impossible to post anywhere.
The account vetting filters block me everywhere. Can't post unless I'm a vetted poster. Can't become vetted because I can't post to begin with. I can't be bothered to seek out and karma farm on random subreddits that aren't a mess of filters.
I remember back in the day I heard that /r/counting was the easiest place to farm some starting karma on a new account since they didn't have a karma requirement to comment
Welcome comrade!
Btw, Lemmy.world also censors Luigi posts. I would switch to ML or mine
Dbzer0, good. ML, bad. Their admins are trigger happy with instance-wide bans against users who criticize them or argue with them directly about their beliefs.
Did not know! I did choose DB0 for its more anarchist rules
You can read I was already corrected but feel the need to type out a long rude and sassy comment. Thanks for showing me who to block!
“I don’t like censorship, you should check out ML”
Troll or least aware fediverse user?
I meant it as better than lemmy.world in censoring in a neolib bias and thinking it’s not hexbear or lemmygrad. I have less bad experience with ML, so I guess least aware user lol ;)
From my experience as an anarchist user who ended up volunteering to moderate in these spaces, most of the censorship happens when people are either being racist or aggro/sealioning. While users definitely tend to be more positive when it comes to China in places like hexbear than in more heavily pro-west spaces they are still critical of its shortcomings.
An example here: >80 up voted post with one of the highest comments criticizing the poor standard of care for trans youth in China
Here's a thread criticizing Russia for being a cringe misogynist capitalist oligarchy and lamenting that the progress for women's rights and LGBT rights that happened under communism wasn't preserved. Again it's a positive orientation because they are opposed to the west but also one of deep disappointment in their failures on social issues.
To me at least this type of commentary is a valuable perspective and is also stuff which often gets filtered entirely under the more advertiser-friendly moderation styles.
At the end of the day I value being able to at least hear dissent, I'm surrounded by the mainstream narrative in my daily life already anyways.
Sorry but unfortunately it’s two sides of the same coin, at least from my experience.
I’m shitting on US and Western imperialism and their love for the Gaza genocide day in day out, had no problem to call the old senile fuck Genocide Joe and I argued against everyone who shilled for Kamala or the “lesser evil“ thing.
I got a lot of hatred for the latter part on .world and I often disagree with their liberal views. I criticized liberal media for fabricating certain narratives and some users thought I’m some MAGA brain damaged idiot. Some users really aren’t the smartest or at least very much stuck in their bi-partisan world view.
Anyway so now that you know all of this about me, I’m also criticizing Chinese and Russian imperialism + genocide the same way. I got banned after like 1 comment on .ml for that and they said it’s for “racism“.
I honestly don’t see any difference, it’s just that .world and .ml users picked different teams. And I got banned faster in .ml lol
the Winnie the Pooh comments are racist though, it's not hard to have substantive critiques of China without constantly falling back on trying to equate the president with a yellow cartoon animal (or in your case, calling a moderator that). We don't have to get into it, but they almost always hand out temp bans for that. For example yours is already expired.
Ah I love the modlog, convenient that I can see again what happened.
The whole Winnie thing became forbidden in China partly because the meme went super viral on Weibo and they didn’t want people in China to ridicule the supreme leader. Ban me for trolling the mod by equating them to Xi Jinping, I’m fine with that. I will think you should have a thicker skin but whatever. Using racism as a reason to ban me in this context is just censorship.
To provide the context for those too lazy to check the modlog, the comment I’m answering to is straight genocide denial. The Uyghurs are being held in concentration camps, sterilized and their language, religion, and heritage are being wiped out and .ml mods are denying that because it doesn’t fit in their world view.
I'm aware of where the meme came from, personally I think it's bad taste to be yapping about uyghurs in a thread about the Gaza genocide.
If people were gleefully calling Obama "Tigger" after that, and constantly doing that instead of having a real argument or something to say I think that would start resulting in bans for racism too.
That's a strange assumption to make. "Because it's forbidden in China" is a sufficient explanation of why people do this. For the exact same reason people will forever keep bringing up the Tiananmen Square Massacre.