Sure "WATER" looks dull if written in boring Arial 10 font with caps lock, but if you add a bit of pizzazz it would look fine as a tattoo. Esp. If you are a non-English speaker.
So many Chinese character tattoos are done in the Chinese equivalent of boring Arial 10 font though, that's part of the point. The one in the photo is at least hand written, but by someone with poor aesthetic sense, it still looks dull and ugly.
There are different Chinese fonts (in print/computer context) and also different Chinese historical scripts, each with different styles of writing, and finally a very diverse variety of calligraphy styles.
The idea of what is considered "old", "fancy" and "fancy old" doesn't necessarily map the same way as it does in Latin/Western writing in general, the cultural and historical sensibility and connotations are often quite different, although in most broad sense, you could find some style analogues to achieve a similar vibe, but it would be quite context dependent.
Chinese characters in โarialโ font would be monowidth lines, no serifs, no real pizzaz. The tattoo in the picture is how I see most Chinese character tattoos. This is still stylized a bit.
Sure, but tattoos in sans serif fonts are still super common, and honestly, it makes little difference, the one in OP is still basic as fuck - call it Times New Roman instead of Arial. It reads like plain text to a Chinese reader, not some kind of calligraphy - what you call "stylized" is actually just the default original textbook stroke style of the standard script. The sans serif version with monowidth lines is actually more of a modern stylized form of that.
To me it looks done by hand, the inconsistencies in character sizes and stroke widths wouldn't be seen in an actual font. The ็ฌ also looks very hand drawn, the vertical strokes on ็ก as well. It's very "textbook" calligraphy, done by someone who knows the strokes and has some practice, but dull and with no personality, and still a degree of insecurity and inconsistency in the strokes, so perhaps a late beginner to intermediate level student of calligraphy. Not necessarily by the tattoo artist either, it could have been tattooed from a template written on paper.
Exactly. The characters are in a pretty nice calligraphy font, with tapered edges and slight flourishes. The letters are in the ugliest block print possible.
Reminds me of someone who have the Chinese word for "refrigerator" on his right shoulder, and when Chinese people would point and laugh about it, he would roll up his sleeve from his left shoulder where there is a tattoo of a fridge
Bruh what? Imagine thinking water - the bringer of life - isn't cool enough to warrant getting a tattoo of it. I hope his mouth remains eternally slightly dry.
If I'm gonna get a foreign language tattooed on me (and I'm probably not gonna until I'm 80 at least) it's gonna be some Sumerian cuniform, probably hate mail to Ea Nasir.
Someone in another thread (or on a Youtube comment I'm not sure) posted a T-shirt found in Japan that said in English "Too young to live, too fast to die, Cream Soda" which I think is an Initial D lyric.
Calligraphy is a traditional art form in China and Japan, so it seems to me like many people there recognize the beauty of the characters. Some people just want an excuse to hate on other people (and for some reason tattoos on other people really draw this behavior out).
Getting a tattoo is a more or less permanent decision. It's soooo very important to make sure tattooed people understand they made a bad decision, because it's permanent! Otherwise I won't feel better about me and my boring small minded self :(
Also of people are aware of what it says, or that there's no grammar involved, or it's off the real script a bit, they really do just like the calligraphy.
Compare the OP with some actual Chinese artists doing Chinese calligraphy tattoos - for example in Hong Kong or Taiwan (some of the photos are a bit NSFW, so be warned)
There is a bit of difference between "Chinese calligraphy" and "write me a list of words in plain Chinese characters"
I have no problem with people tattooing whatever they want on themselves btw - but it's true that from the perspective of someone who can read Chinese, these tattoos (like in the OP) are not "beautiful Chinese characters" or "calligraphy" - they do come across as mostly just confusing lists of strangely formatted and crudely written random words.
Yeah I appreciate that there are certainly a lot of bad tattoos that involve Chinese characters. The one shown is probably one of them. I just don't think westerners who use Chinese characters deserve special scorn. There are a lot of bad tattoos that involve western lettering as well.
Certainly scorn is too strong. I feel like this was a fad that has mostly passed anyway - both due to increased globalization leading to demystification of the "Orient" in general, and Chinese cultural symbols in particular, as well as general trends towards more boldness and self-expression in Western tattoo culture, such as increasing popularity of face tattoos, intentionally "ugly" tattoo aesthetics and much less hesitation tattooing random English words all over the place. Not that I am necessarily a fan of that either, but I feel like it's at least some progress, not hiding the meanings behind some "exotic" Chinese characters, and just embracing what you want to say directly.
If you wouldn't get something tattooed in English because it seems a bit cringe, well it will still be cringe in Chinese - possibly more if you mess it up. And if you do like Chinese culture, characters or calligraphy - at least try to get something that does it some justice and maybe has at least some cultural relevance beyond just "some words, but in Chinese"
This site is now dead, but it used to be one of my favorites. It's someone who would translate the Asian-language tattoos people would send in. A lot of them were not even using real symbols or letters, but a lot of others were hilarious.
Yeah, a lot of them are in the gibberish font, but there are some entries where they're like "that's not even the gibberish font, I have no idea what the hell that is, what is going on here?!"
That one is probably temporary, at least. During the first few weeks, tattoo ink can be rubbed away every time you wash your hands. You also have a lot of nerves on that side of your hand and the needle hurts like hell. So you go through a lot of pain for something that gets washed away.
It's probably plain ink.
I have a wedding ring tattoo, and the guy who did it strongly discouraged me from going 100% of the way around. Pain kicked up quite a bit when it hit the fleshy part in between fingers.
Chinese writing is a vast world of art and ideas, with probably over 30 thousand different characters, nobody knows for sure how many there are. Not knowing what a character is, to strip it of meaning or cultural baggage, kind of frees one up to appreciate the rhythm and delicate balance of lines as their own thing.
Then again, you do not want to end up with PIG SWAMP MOUNTAIN DWARF NOODLE in permanent ink on your skin.
If you want to see Ewan McGregor naked and his body covered in Chinese calligraphy, sometime between Trainspotting and Star Wars, do check out Peter Greenaway's bonkers visual masterpiece The Pillow Book.
China: Makes the most beautiful calligraphy writing where every word is a pleasure to write and see.
Also China: It says 'Soup' down your arm, man. Why are you writing Soup all down your arm?
This is a tattoo, not a computer. They can do any kind of stylization they want. Make the vertical lines fire and the horizontal lines ice. Do a lightning bolt for any tick mark. Etc.
The important thing is to know what it actually says. Outside of that, Chinese and other type writings are artistic in themselves already, so even if it only said "water", if that looked nice why not?
This picture shows that artistic character. If her back had the meaning tattooed in English it might get some odd stares. Unless it was in Papyrus font.
It might look artistic to you, but to a Chinese reader this example looks basic and dull, so they just see the meaning of the words much the same as the "WATER" on the left. There just isn't any real aesthetic or artistic value here, in the context of Chinese writing.
It kind of goes both ways though, back in the day there was a fad in Asia too of people wearing clothes with random English words on them, because there those looked exotic and cool, even though to Westerners it looked a bit dumb.
More likely that finding someone in the west competent enough to do calligraphy is a lot more uncommon, and if for people who never see the characters they all look exotic, so the basic font is good enough for them. At the very least the tat in this pic doesn't seem to be fucked up (mirrored, missing radicals, etc) or using the fake font to "mimic" the latin alphabet.
If the western alphabet looks artistic to you, go for it. It you're trying to climb up onto some cultural appropriation moral high ground, well okay then, bye-bye now.
While I get people poking fun at it, people do also get calligraphy or just plain English tattoos too, so clearly pretty writing is used generally for tattoos.
Even if it does look dumb to you, why not be considerate and leave them alone. "hey I'd like to make you self conscious about that permanent ink you have on your skin". Smh
Sure "WATER" looks dull if written in boring Arial 10 font with caps lock, but if you add a bit of pizzazz it would look fine as a tattoo. Esp. If you are a non-English speaker.
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So many Chinese character tattoos are done in the Chinese equivalent of boring Arial 10 font though, that's part of the point. The one in the photo is at least hand written, but by someone with poor aesthetic sense, it still looks dull and ugly.
There are different Chinese fonts (in print/computer context) and also different Chinese historical scripts, each with different styles of writing, and finally a very diverse variety of calligraphy styles.
The idea of what is considered "old", "fancy" and "fancy old" doesn't necessarily map the same way as it does in Latin/Western writing in general, the cultural and historical sensibility and connotations are often quite different, although in most broad sense, you could find some style analogues to achieve a similar vibe, but it would be quite context dependent.
NSimSun /j
Chinese characters in โarialโ font would be monowidth lines, no serifs, no real pizzaz. The tattoo in the picture is how I see most Chinese character tattoos. This is still stylized a bit.
Sure, but tattoos in sans serif fonts are still super common, and honestly, it makes little difference, the one in OP is still basic as fuck - call it Times New Roman instead of Arial. It reads like plain text to a Chinese reader, not some kind of calligraphy - what you call "stylized" is actually just the default original textbook stroke style of the standard script. The sans serif version with monowidth lines is actually more of a modern stylized form of that.
The one in the photo is probably still a font. How many tattoo artists would know how to write in Chinese calligraphy.
To me it looks done by hand, the inconsistencies in character sizes and stroke widths wouldn't be seen in an actual font. The ็ฌ also looks very hand drawn, the vertical strokes on ็ก as well. It's very "textbook" calligraphy, done by someone who knows the strokes and has some practice, but dull and with no personality, and still a degree of insecurity and inconsistency in the strokes, so perhaps a late beginner to intermediate level student of calligraphy. Not necessarily by the tattoo artist either, it could have been tattooed from a template written on paper.
Old English script always makes the word look like a different word, like water here looks like bater.
Go away. Watin'.
Your 2nd sample reads 'Bater'
Don't talk back to the master
So I slipped up.
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Any better?
Exactly. The characters are in a pretty nice calligraphy font, with tapered edges and slight flourishes. The letters are in the ugliest block print possible.
Miller Lite
Now do pizzazz with a bit of pizzazz.
Pizza party pizzazz
According to Google translate the visible part says: "Independent, curious and ruthless" which isn't that bad of a text.
Hydro homies out here loving both.
The last one is ็ก็พ which means "sly"
It came with "Independence River is curious and ruthless" to me.. interesting
Reminds me of someone who have the Chinese word for "refrigerator" on his right shoulder, and when Chinese people would point and laugh about it, he would roll up his sleeve from his left shoulder where there is a tattoo of a fridge
Get the word for Japanese written out in Chinese.
I knew lemmy would get it! Didn't expect the picture instead of just name dropping the good place. Way to go above and beyond.
ๆฅ่ช happens to mean Japanese Language, in both written Chinese and Japanese.
Same for ๆฅๆฌไบบ (Japanese Person)
ๆฅ่ช technically means Japanese language in Japanese, but no one ever uses it-- I think it's an outdated usage. Everyone uses ๆฅๆฌ่ช these days.
Bruh what? Imagine thinking water - the bringer of life - isn't cool enough to warrant getting a tattoo of it. I hope his mouth remains eternally slightly dry.
Def not a hydro homie
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.
- Derek Zoolander
It's the universal solvent
Yup toxic as fuck.
Definitely. Live and drink.
If I'm gonna get a foreign language tattooed on me (and I'm probably not gonna until I'm 80 at least) it's gonna be some Sumerian cuniform, probably hate mail to Ea Nasir.
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Bro was pissing people off way before the iron age lmao ๐คฃ
Someone in another thread (or on a Youtube comment I'm not sure) posted a T-shirt found in Japan that said in English "Too young to live, too fast to die, Cream Soda" which I think is an Initial D lyric.
It's like, the most aggressive slogan but attached to the most cheerful product imaginable. It's like "Fuck the pain away. Neapolitan Ice Cream."
Engrish in Asian countries is hilarious.
My wife loves buying engrish clothes for the novelty.
Wouldn't it be more like this?
It's more like this
Calligraphy is a traditional art form in China and Japan, so it seems to me like many people there recognize the beauty of the characters. Some people just want an excuse to hate on other people (and for some reason tattoos on other people really draw this behavior out).
Getting a tattoo is a more or less permanent decision. It's soooo very important to make sure tattooed people understand they made a bad decision, because it's permanent! Otherwise I won't feel better about me and my boring small minded self :(
Also of people are aware of what it says, or that there's no grammar involved, or it's off the real script a bit, they really do just like the calligraphy.
Compare the OP with some actual Chinese artists doing Chinese calligraphy tattoos - for example in Hong Kong or Taiwan (some of the photos are a bit NSFW, so be warned)
There is a bit of difference between "Chinese calligraphy" and "write me a list of words in plain Chinese characters"
I have no problem with people tattooing whatever they want on themselves btw - but it's true that from the perspective of someone who can read Chinese, these tattoos (like in the OP) are not "beautiful Chinese characters" or "calligraphy" - they do come across as mostly just confusing lists of strangely formatted and crudely written random words.
Yeah I appreciate that there are certainly a lot of bad tattoos that involve Chinese characters. The one shown is probably one of them. I just don't think westerners who use Chinese characters deserve special scorn. There are a lot of bad tattoos that involve western lettering as well.
Certainly scorn is too strong. I feel like this was a fad that has mostly passed anyway - both due to increased globalization leading to demystification of the "Orient" in general, and Chinese cultural symbols in particular, as well as general trends towards more boldness and self-expression in Western tattoo culture, such as increasing popularity of face tattoos, intentionally "ugly" tattoo aesthetics and much less hesitation tattooing random English words all over the place. Not that I am necessarily a fan of that either, but I feel like it's at least some progress, not hiding the meanings behind some "exotic" Chinese characters, and just embracing what you want to say directly.
If you wouldn't get something tattooed in English because it seems a bit cringe, well it will still be cringe in Chinese - possibly more if you mess it up. And if you do like Chinese culture, characters or calligraphy - at least try to get something that does it some justice and maybe has at least some cultural relevance beyond just "some words, but in Chinese"
This site is now dead, but it used to be one of my favorites. It's someone who would translate the Asian-language tattoos people would send in. A lot of them were not even using real symbols or letters, but a lot of others were hilarious.
https://hanzismatter.blogspot.com/
This is one of their last posts and, to be fair to them, it's pretty hard to continue a blog like that once your irony meter has exploded.
Btw, https://hanzismatter.blogspot.com/2006/08/gibberish-asian-font-mystery-solved.html?m=1
Yeah, a lot of them are in the gibberish font, but there are some entries where they're like "that's not even the gibberish font, I have no idea what the hell that is, what is going on here?!"
That one is probably temporary, at least. During the first few weeks, tattoo ink can be rubbed away every time you wash your hands. You also have a lot of nerves on that side of your hand and the needle hurts like hell. So you go through a lot of pain for something that gets washed away.
It's probably plain ink.
I have a wedding ring tattoo, and the guy who did it strongly discouraged me from going 100% of the way around. Pain kicked up quite a bit when it hit the fleshy part in between fingers.
Wait, so did you go 100% around anyway?
Nah, just down the sides.
google translate, translated that as:
not bad in the realm of Chinese tattoos
Right? A lot of the worse ones are menu items
btw the Independence River is capitalized because it is interpreting it as a name, the word is just independence.
Chinese writing is a vast world of art and ideas, with probably over 30 thousand different characters, nobody knows for sure how many there are. Not knowing what a character is, to strip it of meaning or cultural baggage, kind of frees one up to appreciate the rhythm and delicate balance of lines as their own thing.
Then again, you do not want to end up with PIG SWAMP MOUNTAIN DWARF NOODLE in permanent ink on your skin.
If you want to see Ewan McGregor naked and his body covered in Chinese calligraphy, sometime between Trainspotting and Star Wars, do check out Peter Greenaway's bonkers visual masterpiece The Pillow Book.
Perfectly explainable.
"Pig Swamp" was our frat name in college.
"Mountain Dwarf Noodle" was my nickname.
Could also be the cousin hold of the most venerable dwarven hold "Boat Murder"
Well, three of those five words are awesome together. SWAMP MOUNTAIN DWARF.
Uh yes please!
China: Makes the most beautiful calligraphy writing where every word is a pleasure to write and see. Also China: It says 'Soup' down your arm, man. Why are you writing Soup all down your arm?
To express my love for the soup store.
kanji look so much more like art than the latin alphabet do, to us
Have you even seen different fonts?
But kanji is limited in font choices.
This is a tattoo, not a computer. They can do any kind of stylization they want. Make the vertical lines fire and the horizontal lines ice. Do a lightning bolt for any tick mark. Etc.
So what DOES her tattoo say?
็ฌ็ซ independent/independence
็กๆ heartless/heartlessness
ๅฅฝๅฅ curiosity
And something more under her shirt
With some of the word written vertically and some horizontally for whatever reason
Ok but what does his tattoo say?
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Oh cool thanks!
NP, its a hard legnuage to pick up
Dude!
Sweet!
Rick fucked me!
Mizu
She's proud of being heartless? Gross.
Undead people deserve respect too
Thank you very much.
The important thing is to know what it actually says. Outside of that, Chinese and other type writings are artistic in themselves already, so even if it only said "water", if that looked nice why not?
This picture shows that artistic character. If her back had the meaning tattooed in English it might get some odd stares. Unless it was in Papyrus font.
It might look artistic to you, but to a Chinese reader this example looks basic and dull, so they just see the meaning of the words much the same as the "WATER" on the left. There just isn't any real aesthetic or artistic value here, in the context of Chinese writing.
It kind of goes both ways though, back in the day there was a fad in Asia too of people wearing clothes with random English words on them, because there those looked exotic and cool, even though to Westerners it looked a bit dumb.
That's a good point. Elvish it is then.
Get a tramp stamp that says "Speak, friend, and enter"
Yeah really, it's like these people have never heard of calligraphy.
More likely that finding someone in the west competent enough to do calligraphy is a lot more uncommon, and if for people who never see the characters they all look exotic, so the basic font is good enough for them. At the very least the tat in this pic doesn't seem to be fucked up (mirrored, missing radicals, etc) or using the fake font to "mimic" the latin alphabet.
Papyrus font? like the title from that movie?
Or Wingdings
I mean why not? Goes kinda hard
Soooo.... She is perpetually wet
Dear China, stop having such a beautiful language then. signed, Mandarin is really hard
Some of the letters should be upside down or backwards to get the full "Tattoo in a language I can't read" experience,
back of left hand: ๆ
back of right hand: ๆจ
If the western alphabet looks artistic to you, go for it. It you're trying to climb up onto some cultural appropriation moral high ground, well okay then, bye-bye now.
While I get people poking fun at it, people do also get calligraphy or just plain English tattoos too, so clearly pretty writing is used generally for tattoos.
True, I've seen lots of tattoos of English text. Have also seen people stretch way too far to try to make a weak point like this guy.
Even if it does look dumb to you, why not be considerate and leave them alone. "hey I'd like to make you self conscious about that permanent ink you have on your skin". Smh