I don't know why she's nervous, she clearly knew the spec well and didn't have to resort to modern abstraction frameworks to serve a simple static site.
That's not what Moore's law is, that's one of the (former) effects of it. Moore's law is about transistor density, and its increase remains roughly constant.
It's overkill for static sites, but credit should be given to JSX for being a decent way to create DOM nodes dynamicly. You can use a JSX transformer without using React, too.
I'm guessing they don't know what the Pain Olympics are, and interpreted it as a poetic description of the technical trials and tribulations of using the old Internet.
Wow I was thinking about that just the other day (I remember it as "BME pain olympics"). I wonder if it's still floating around out there? But TBH I don't want to know.
That's the extent I remember from grade school, had to make a homepage in like grade 5 and literally everyone had flaming text, crappy gifs, and horrible midi songs. Computer lab must have been a blast for the teachers.
Myspace also got a number of people playing with HTML and CSS if I remember correctly. It's been years. Not sure CSS is actually even used anymore. I enjoyed web design classes back in the 2000s. Macromedia still owned Dreamweaver and it wasn't all that great, so I could still do better by hand. I haven't played around with any of it in years now, but I assume those programs have GUIs that blow away anything that can be written in notepad like back then.
If you've never trouble shot 100 pages of JavaScript in notepad because you didn't have access to other tools, you haven't had "fun" before. ...fucking nightmare. Find out you put an extra space somewhere.
The better you got though you'd narrow down finding those errors quickly, and then eventually find out a fucking free program will color code the shit and tell you to look at line 232 because it doesn't make sense
I made an entire syllabus for my high school using on mouse over effects and drop downs with course descriptions, prerequisites and mappings for all future courses/paths. That was around 2005 or 2006. I didnt bother with Dreamweaver because how frustrating it was. Wrote the entire thing by hand using notepad. I don't even think I did it for a grade, it was just me being so sick of us not having a proper syllabus that you could access online. Just printed copies that would say you need to have this prerequisite, but it didn't list what page that other course was on so you had to flip around all over to find it and then figure out what prerequisites were needed there. Got so frustrated I just made my own.
When we were going to move into a new place a year later or so my girlfriend at the time and I were trying to figure out what furniture we wanted or how we would want to situate things to fit in our new place. We couldn't visualize what each other were saying well and know if desks/dressers what not would fit where we wanted. Thus I opened my old web pages, took the blueprint map for the apartment and created a quick drag and drop web page where you could take each item with a name on it and drag it into rooms, place them all where we wanted and then she could play with it and see what didn't fit side by side due to size, and screen shot what she liked/didn't like. Having previous projects put together and being able to just copy previous scripts, probably took me 45 mins to throw together. Settled all issues of "that probably won't fit" and let her play with it when I was at work.
Overkill, possibly.. but it was fun at the time
(The syllabus took a long ass time, but that had intentions of the school being able to use it off their website to allow students/parents help plan their own futures)
CSS is still used. Modern web toolkits like bootstrap and tailwind can reduce or eliminate the need to write CSS explicitly. Some tools like Sass extend CSS. They all generally produce regular CSS that gets read by the browser.
Modern CSS is pretty different to MySpace-era CSS though. Floats are practically never used any more, absolute positioning is a lot rarer than it used to be, and flexbox and CSS grid have made making page layouts far easier. There's also many things we can do with pure CSS now that used to require JS.
The old internet taught us so many random skills. I couldn't type on a keyboard for jack until I got into MMO's back in the day, because it was pre voice comms. So I learned to type faster so I would struggle less XD
I learnt HTML and JS by viewing the source code of major sites like Yahoo (this was in the early 2000s so CSS wasn't extremely widespread yet). That's practically impossible these days due to how much bulkier sites have gotten. Back then, HTML and JS were simple, unminified, and easy to understand.
Now you can't even read a blog's html to understand what it is doing, as it's being hosted by a website builder doing 2 billion weird things most likely.
UGH you're just like my sister then! See I played runescape after taking a typing class in elementary school, so in class I got like 5 wpm, then over a summer of doing nothing but playing rune scape whenever I was able (usually by staying up late after everyone went to sleep) I got up to 25, and it just kept getting faster over the years as I kept playing other online game.
My older sisters didn't have typing classes before they started doing IM chat rooms and stuff though. So my sister somehow types at 90 WPM by doing this cursed 2 finger chicken peck thing. She types way faster than me by just using 2 fingers on each hand and it always confuses the heck outta me.
MMOs are the reasons that my typing style involves my left hand covering 60-70% of the keyboard and my right hand getting the remaining 30-40% that I can't easily reach.
Only need to bring in the mouse hand of absolutely necessary!
I'm an open book when it comes to stuff like that. I'd 100% tell a prospective employer that an old goofy anime website was what kicked off my web dev career.
When can I start, work is a joke to me and I can figure anything out quickly.
Lol. As a hiring manager, I've hired people who am said almost exactly this, as long as they had a public project portfolio that provided evidence to back up the claim.
Parts of my old AngelFire website is still archived. A horrible mess of Comic Sans, black backgrounds with lime green and dark red or purple text, animated gifs, auto-playing sounds, frames and pretty much any and all features of HTML, especially things you never really saw being used like blinking and color changing text that wasn't just an image.
Too bad none of the Klik'n'Play games I made and had uploaded there are able to be downloaded... I kinda want to be reminded exactly what the Pikachu virtual pet I made was like in all it's cringe glory. Though Nintendo would probably be sending an army of lawyers up my ass rn if it was.
My site was on a local dialup provider when I was roughly 12. It had all lava as the background with flame gifs everywhere. Brief bio, cheats for MechWarrior, Doom, etc on different pages. I did fuck with frames.
A journalist emailed me about profiling young web developers and I was so fucking nerdy and anxious I never responded.
Oh shit how could I forget different midis for each page. Nirvana and Black Sabbath mostly.
My earliest experiences of computer networking were due to wanting to host multiplayer gaming sessions with friends. Things did not "just work" back then.
I learned everything I know from CSShelp the Kougra. It's a shame that her page has since been replaced with the species default. It was such a great resource.
Reminds me of the time I was using Microsoft frontPage. now CSS and js frameworks have become a science of its own that reinvents itself every two years.
My website-making days also were my graphic-design-school days, so while they could be a little on the weird side I at least tried to make them clean, readable, and aesthetically non-hazardous. Well, apart from that one wonder that wouldn’t look right on Netscape.
It was great to be able to do this entirely by hand and still end up with something no worse than professional sites in appearance. (And there weren’t yet a bazillion laws and regulations in my country making it too complicated for an undermotivated single private individual to attempt to stay compliant)
I don't know why she's nervous, she clearly knew the spec well and didn't have to resort to modern abstraction frameworks to serve a simple static site.
And she did it all in notepad
yeah, but if you don't use wordpress to serve 3 static webpages, how will you get repeated business when it doesn't get hacked in 3 years?
You obviously include a busy loop in JavaScript that takes exponentially more time each year. Then every few years you change the base year
Moore's law has stalled for years now. Single thread performance is still going up but taking around 1 decade to double.
That's not what Moore's law is, that's one of the (former) effects of it. Moore's law is about transistor density, and its increase remains roughly constant.
https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
The absolute horseshit that things like Facebook consist of make me wonder if half the people who work on it have even made an HTML page from scratch.
Usually, no.
Some of the pieces of information on posts is drawn with the canvas element.
Yeah totally
It's better than most of my sites.
It's overkill for static sites, but credit should be given to JSX for being a decent way to create DOM nodes dynamicly. You can use a JSX transformer without using React, too.
Or hear me out, nobody should give random credit to any framework for no reason whatsoever
JSX is a language, not a framework...
Ok?
The old internet was a wonderful place for learning.
And pain Olympics, but my rose coloured glasses are blocking that out right now.
The old internet is still there ![email protected]
Thank you.
(Also happy thanksgiving!)
Don't apologize. That pain is exactly why millennials are so much more tech literate than boomers and gen Alpha.
Zoomers
Millennials
xkcd: Nostalgia
shitty?
Assuming you're referring to rickrolling.
Yes bilephant
The pain Olympics made millennials tech literate?
I'm guessing they don't know what the Pain Olympics are, and interpreted it as a poetic description of the technical trials and tribulations of using the old Internet.
Competitive Live Leak
Wow I was thinking about that just the other day (I remember it as "BME pain olympics"). I wonder if it's still floating around out there? But TBH I don't want to know.
Yeah, it was Body Modification Enthusiasts or something?
I heard years ago it was all faked. Who knows? The trauma is real.
I mean there is always goatse. I showed my co-worker the original image since they didn’t know why there are memes about it now a day.
Eye bleach was used that day.
welcome to my homepage
That's the extent I remember from grade school, had to make a homepage in like grade 5 and literally everyone had flaming text, crappy gifs, and horrible midi songs. Computer lab must have been a blast for the teachers.
l cool cool</marquee><marquee>cooool</marquee><marquee>cool cool cquee><marquee>cool cool cool</marhttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/21233033/how-can-i-create-a-marquee-effect
CSS3 and HTML. Not quite as simple as an easy tag, but you can party like it is 1999.
Literally why I started HTML and then into programming. Had to do those sick absolute position overlays on the club pages of Neopets.
Myspace also got a number of people playing with HTML and CSS if I remember correctly. It's been years. Not sure CSS is actually even used anymore. I enjoyed web design classes back in the 2000s. Macromedia still owned Dreamweaver and it wasn't all that great, so I could still do better by hand. I haven't played around with any of it in years now, but I assume those programs have GUIs that blow away anything that can be written in notepad like back then.
If you've never trouble shot 100 pages of JavaScript in notepad because you didn't have access to other tools, you haven't had "fun" before. ...fucking nightmare. Find out you put an extra space somewhere.
The better you got though you'd narrow down finding those errors quickly, and then eventually find out a fucking free program will color code the shit and tell you to look at line 232 because it doesn't make sense
You just gave me horrible flashbacks of Dreamweaver.
I made an entire syllabus for my high school using on mouse over effects and drop downs with course descriptions, prerequisites and mappings for all future courses/paths. That was around 2005 or 2006. I didnt bother with Dreamweaver because how frustrating it was. Wrote the entire thing by hand using notepad. I don't even think I did it for a grade, it was just me being so sick of us not having a proper syllabus that you could access online. Just printed copies that would say you need to have this prerequisite, but it didn't list what page that other course was on so you had to flip around all over to find it and then figure out what prerequisites were needed there. Got so frustrated I just made my own.
When we were going to move into a new place a year later or so my girlfriend at the time and I were trying to figure out what furniture we wanted or how we would want to situate things to fit in our new place. We couldn't visualize what each other were saying well and know if desks/dressers what not would fit where we wanted. Thus I opened my old web pages, took the blueprint map for the apartment and created a quick drag and drop web page where you could take each item with a name on it and drag it into rooms, place them all where we wanted and then she could play with it and see what didn't fit side by side due to size, and screen shot what she liked/didn't like. Having previous projects put together and being able to just copy previous scripts, probably took me 45 mins to throw together. Settled all issues of "that probably won't fit" and let her play with it when I was at work.
Overkill, possibly.. but it was fun at the time (The syllabus took a long ass time, but that had intentions of the school being able to use it off their website to allow students/parents help plan their own futures)
CSS is still used. Modern web toolkits like bootstrap and tailwind can reduce or eliminate the need to write CSS explicitly. Some tools like Sass extend CSS. They all generally produce regular CSS that gets read by the browser.
Modern CSS is pretty different to MySpace-era CSS though. Floats are practically never used any more, absolute positioning is a lot rarer than it used to be, and flexbox and CSS grid have made making page layouts far easier. There's also many things we can do with pure CSS now that used to require JS.
Okay but that is adorable and true XD
The old internet taught us so many random skills. I couldn't type on a keyboard for jack until I got into MMO's back in the day, because it was pre voice comms. So I learned to type faster so I would struggle less XD
I learnt HTML and JS by viewing the source code of major sites like Yahoo (this was in the early 2000s so CSS wasn't extremely widespread yet). That's practically impossible these days due to how much bulkier sites have gotten. Back then, HTML and JS were simple, unminified, and easy to understand.
Super good point!
Now you can't even read a blog's html to understand what it is doing, as it's being hosted by a website builder doing 2 billion weird things most likely.
IRC and ICQ chat rooms here. Then MMOs after. I don't type correctly(as in, finger positions etc), but I do type quickly.
UGH you're just like my sister then! See I played runescape after taking a typing class in elementary school, so in class I got like 5 wpm, then over a summer of doing nothing but playing rune scape whenever I was able (usually by staying up late after everyone went to sleep) I got up to 25, and it just kept getting faster over the years as I kept playing other online game.
My older sisters didn't have typing classes before they started doing IM chat rooms and stuff though. So my sister somehow types at 90 WPM by doing this cursed 2 finger chicken peck thing. She types way faster than me by just using 2 fingers on each hand and it always confuses the heck outta me.
MMOs are the reasons that my typing style involves my left hand covering 60-70% of the keyboard and my right hand getting the remaining 30-40% that I can't easily reach.
Only need to bring in the mouse hand of absolutely necessary!
I coded HTML for the first time in 2002. So I have 22 years experience. Anyone want to see my ASCII art?
Yes
Here is an old archive that never got updated after I got my own domain. https://asciipr0n.com/fp/
Thats dope
Very nice.
How much?
Very
For those interested Neocities is a modern equivalent. The homepage has some featured pages linked you can browse if you are looking to kill time.
My Angelfire page is still up. I check on it every few years.
love it!
Hello! Welcome to my page!
The day Yahoo killed geocities was the day my innocence died.
you can still visit geocities on archive.org.
So is mine!
I wish I still had my custom HTML from my MySpace page
Check archive.org
Can I haz the link :3
Secret stuff otherwise it be easy to dox Maybe I should login and remove that stuff. Didn't know any better back then.
Is she sweating because she's insecure about her knowledge, or is she sweating because she fears a followup question into WHAT she did?
She’s sweating because she has a disorder that makes her sweat at random moments. Everyone always reads too much into it.
hyperhidrosis
I'm an open book when it comes to stuff like that. I'd 100% tell a prospective employer that an old goofy anime website was what kicked off my web dev career.
I'm not gonna show my boss my fan fiction.
I feel personally attacked
Yeah, that's how HTML is learnt. Never had to look back at HTML afterwards
Poor girl lost all her teeth. ☹️ F
DENTAL PLAN
Got my first computer in 92 so I have 35 years of experience.
I played a shitty port of Street fighter 2 on it an Lucas arts adventures
When can I start, work is a joke to me and I can figure anything out quickly.
Lol. As a hiring manager, I've hired people who am said almost exactly this, as long as they had a public project portfolio that provided evidence to back up the claim.
you scared me for a second got me thinking I should be 40
it's ok everyone, crisis averted, I'm still in my 30s, parent's math just sucks
Next year or so 😉
Master of all 22 elements
Html it self hasn't really changed much.
Parts of my old AngelFire website is still archived. A horrible mess of Comic Sans, black backgrounds with lime green and dark red or purple text, animated gifs, auto-playing sounds, frames and pretty much any and all features of HTML, especially things you never really saw being used like blinking and color changing text that wasn't just an image.
Too bad none of the Klik'n'Play games I made and had uploaded there are able to be downloaded... I kinda want to be reminded exactly what the Pikachu virtual pet I made was like in all it's cringe glory. Though Nintendo would probably be sending an army of lawyers up my ass rn if it was.
My site was on a local dialup provider when I was roughly 12. It had all lava as the background with flame gifs everywhere. Brief bio, cheats for MechWarrior, Doom, etc on different pages. I did fuck with frames.
A journalist emailed me about profiling young web developers and I was so fucking nerdy and anxious I never responded.
Oh shit how could I forget different midis for each page. Nirvana and Black Sabbath mostly.
Oh God I am sure my websites are gone. I hope so
If your site didn't have marquis text then it wasn't worth visiting.
From Lisa Explains it All to becoming a computer science professor I feel this in my bones.
Worms 2 but yes this is absolutely on point. I think my host was angelfire? I taught myself frames and thought I was so cool!
My earliest experiences of computer networking were due to wanting to host multiplayer gaming sessions with friends. Things did not "just work" back then.
Even when you were just plugging in ethernet cables there was always some bullshit going on Q_Q
No shame in being self taught.
There should be pride in being self taught. Although it's hard to do it
hardright (as in: do your own research).I still have a geocities page, can't login to it, but it's still up.
Neopets, GaiaOnline, MySpace, to name the biggest three
Gaia online is a serious nostalgia trip wow
blink tag for life, motherfuckers.
I learned everything I know from CSShelp the Kougra. It's a shame that her page has since been replaced with the species default. It was such a great resource.
110% legit. its just that simple.
Reminds me of the time I was using Microsoft frontPage. now CSS and js frameworks have become a science of its own that reinvents itself every two years.
The logo! It's on fire!
and geocities and myspace
very cute
my tech background has always been the coal mines of doing coding problems
That was 18 years ago?
I remember when forms were added. I think it was more than 18 years ago though. There were still WWW conventions at the time.
That didn’t help me feel younger
A common problem, I'm afraid.
My website-making days also were my graphic-design-school days, so while they could be a little on the weird side I at least tried to make them clean, readable, and aesthetically non-hazardous. Well, apart from that one wonder that wouldn’t look right on Netscape.
It was great to be able to do this entirely by hand and still end up with something no worse than professional sites in appearance. (And there weren’t yet a bazillion laws and regulations in my country making it too complicated for an undermotivated single private individual to attempt to stay compliant)
Scrolly words of yore