Except for the alien tech. The proto virus or whatever it's called. People talking from the dead. Teleporters to the other side of the universe. Crystals growing out of people's heads. Alien bug swarms. And a whole bunch of other hand-wavey things.
Yeah, good point. And fuel density and accessibility.
I guess I just really like space physics without fake gravity, but instead being generated by thrust. And the realism of the time everything takes to travel.
Now, how the fusion reactors work is a little more hand-wavy...but they are definitely proton-proton chain, not deuterium-tritium, so any old water will do, and the solar system has a lot of water.
In fact, the main cast were crew on a water hauler before shit kicked off
Yeah they really nailed the space combat. It's exhilarating to watch. In Star Trek they don't have any of those things going on because the ships are big and slow during combat, and because they have inertial dampers that cancel the inertial forces experienced by the crew using hand-wavey magic. Heh.
One is a broad base for story telling, the other is one long story about how a single family and their granddad's hetro-lifemate can fuck over an entire galaxy,
But they're mostly right about the hopeful part. When it isn't shown that the Federation is super corrupt and being controlled by evil outside forces, of course.
In 2364, when the USS Enterprise-D was unexpectedly thrust millions of light years into a realm where thoughts became reality, Kosinski described this explanation of the phenomenon as akin to being asked to believe in magic. Captain Jean-Luc Picard felt the explanation made sense, however, as only the power of thought could explain the strange events that were manifesting aboard the vessel, such as his own apparent meeting with his maman, Yvette Picard. (TNG: "Where No One Has Gone Before")
There's also a regular invocation of Clark's Law, producing a rich surplus of "Space Wizards" - from TNG's Q to Gabrielle Burnham, the Red Angel, in Discovery.
That's before you get into hyperdrives and teleporters and replicators and holodecks and other very naked violations of established science. Functionally no different than characters casting spells and using magic items in a game of D&D.
The mob is carrying DVD copies of DS9 ... the dogs are strays they found along the way and they're taking care of them ... the torches are there because they drained the batteries on their smartphones downloading 'Wrath Of Khan' for you to watch.
I started watching TNG just recently and am nearly done with season 2. Season 1 is not nearly as bad as the internet led me to believe, and honestly I kinda miss some things from it a little bit.
Well, there’s a bit of everything in the fandom. What sort of series and movies do you like? I’m sure we’ll be stumbling to recommend you specific episodes Abe possibly even a movie or two.
(TBH I don’t care much for the movies, expect for the Kelvin timeline, for which I’m sure I’ll burn at the stake.)
Star Wars was based on the past but set in the future. They borrowed "stormtroopers" from Hitler. The space battles are just like WWII dogfights. Star Wars was never looking forward it was looking backwards.
I'd love to see Disney try out a sort of anthology of short seasons that all share thematic elements of WW2 that made the OT such a spectacle, but do like 4-8 episodes about a given person/squad/ship/squadron/station/agent/whatever...tell one good solid story about that subject then move on.
I'd love for one of those seasons to follow a light capital ship with 1-2 squadrons of fighters, and model it with elements of the carrier war in the Pacific mixed with a submarine movie theme.
Have them playing a deadly game of cat and mouse with a much larger ISD or Victory, both stuck in a nebula. They both get their hits in that cause grave damage, but both crews hang in there and stick to the mission.
How it ends is anyone's guess, but I could absolutely see plenty of room in that framework for intense scenes of sensors crews glued to their stations, hoping to go unnoticed, or desperately searching for any sign of their foe...
One of my favorite fun facts: "Balance of Terror" was the original Star Trek episode to introduce Romulans, and the first to feature space combat against a near peer adversary.
The screenplay for that episode actually was for a submarine movie, and it got readapted.
Everyone thinks I'm super into star wars cause I enjoy building Lego space ships and star wars is the option in that regard. Mind you I've just noticed a Chinese brick company have dropped a giant Enterprise and there's a Rocinante on the way too!
I've ordered from both sites and they are trustworthy FWIW. If you're not familiar with Chinese brick companies GoBricks are the gold standard, Jie Star are pretty good too IMO. Most of the brands don't make their own bricks, anyone that uses GoBricks or Jie Star are typically okay in terms of brick quality.
If I'm honest in maybe 20-30 sets I've had one "poor" quality set of bricks and it was a £12 knock off of an X-Wing that I only bought because it was cheap, even then it was fine for the price.
I just applied for my UK passport and the photo I gave to them was me in a red T-shirt with the TOS delta on it. I'm guessing the delta will be cropped out, but here's hoping.
When people conjure mental male representation of Star Wars, they think of fat neckbeard Lucas and the lizard. When they think of Star Trek, they imagine sly silver fox Picard and Datas most probable mechanical prowess.
I was trying to figure out where I got mine from, but I can't find the store. That image was from Etsy. I know there are others in similar styles for sale, but mine is just the outline like that.
The Return of the Jedi novelization introduced the term "jizz-wailer" to describe a musician, but the term "jizz" as the name of the musical style was not introduced until the publication of Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina, twelve years later.
The original RotJ novelization was released in 1983. Don't discount Legends!
Etymology is not destiny, and in particular Jazz was established before the sexual meaning of the root was firmly (hehheh) established.
Nah, man, Lucas clearly just wasn't familiar with the term and let it slide with the original ROTJ novelization, or the 1984 reference book, or wherever it was that it first popped up. Well, that, or they were just trolling us all along. 🤣
And when Qui-gon realized he couldn't cheat hard enough for both slaves, he just... didn't try to get the funds together? Come up with some other sort of trade?
I've been watching star trek (TNG, DS9, Voyager) and still don't get the red shirt reference. I know it's about them getting killed all the time but I just don't see it.
Obviously the one who is not one of the lead actors, whose character usually doesn’t have a name, no lines, never appeared, and is from security and tasked to protect the captain and jump first in combat is going to survive.
The meme is from TOS. Not as many people died in the newer ones.
A simple pie chart reveals 55 total deaths and, yes, red shirts perished in frightening numbers. A whopping 24 died, compared to 9 in yellow/gold command and 7 in blue, with 15 crossing into the final frontier in unidentified colors
In TOS, there were more characters in red shirts than any other color. So of course most deaths were characters wearing a red shirt. Proportionally, I believe it was actually yellow with the highest mortality rate.
This is actually an interesting rabbit hole. I wonder if it's a meme or if Duke Jizzerstein is actually real. They really went hard into this whole jizz thing. There is literally a track on the album "Let's Jizz With the Duke!" called "Gonna Jizz Tonite"
Edit: it has to be fake. There is literally a track called "Spermulation". Also the website is a giveway that it's likely ai generated https://mrpii.online/
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kinda makes sense to me
one is an attempt at a hopeful, logical view of humanities future.. the other has laser swords and magic.
The Expanse: space will always try to kill you, humanity still sucks, everything still hurts, everything is still dirty.
Far superior option. Mostly because it has real space physics with minimal hand waving.
Except for the alien tech. The proto virus or whatever it's called. People talking from the dead. Teleporters to the other side of the universe. Crystals growing out of people's heads. Alien bug swarms. And a whole bunch of other hand-wavey things.
Yeah, good point. And fuel density and accessibility.
I guess I just really like space physics without fake gravity, but instead being generated by thrust. And the realism of the time everything takes to travel.
Fuel's easy, they have fusion reactors.
Now, how the fusion reactors work is a little more hand-wavy...but they are definitely proton-proton chain, not deuterium-tritium, so any old water will do, and the solar system has a lot of water.
In fact, the main cast were crew on a water hauler before shit kicked off
Yeah they really nailed the space combat. It's exhilarating to watch. In Star Trek they don't have any of those things going on because the ships are big and slow during combat, and because they have inertial dampers that cancel the inertial forces experienced by the crew using hand-wavey magic. Heh.
One is a broad base for story telling, the other is one long story about how a single family and their granddad's hetro-lifemate can fuck over an entire galaxy,
And politics, and wealth disparity, so basically the opposite of a utopia.
And it always sucks no matter who wins.
Magic
Laser Sword
But they're mostly right about the hopeful part. When it isn't shown that the Federation is super corrupt and being controlled by evil outside forces, of course.
That article about magic talks about religious ritual and advanced technology. No actual magic, except in one alternative universe.
There's also a regular invocation of Clark's Law, producing a rich surplus of "Space Wizards" - from TNG's Q to Gabrielle Burnham, the Red Angel, in Discovery.
That's before you get into hyperdrives and teleporters and replicators and holodecks and other very naked violations of established science. Functionally no different than characters casting spells and using magic items in a game of D&D.
Invoking Clark's Law is saying "there's no magic, just stuff we don't understand yet".
But yeah, no answer on Q's species, that's literally magic.
I have never watched even a single episode of Star Trek, but I like you guys for your memes.
Okay, call off the mob!
Nah, just convert it into a party!?:-P🥳🎉
A watch party!
A watch party at Quark's!
Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun! Come right now, watch reruns!
The mob is carrying DVD copies of DS9 ... the dogs are strays they found along the way and they're taking care of them ... the torches are there because they drained the batteries on their smartphones downloading 'Wrath Of Khan' for you to watch.
They're yelling, "LIVE LONG AND PROSPER, DAMN YOU!"
If I don't click it, the mob looks like a disco ball on my phone.
Start with Star Trek: The Next Generation, and move on from there. The first season has some quirks, but by the second it's solid gold.
I started watching TNG just recently and am nearly done with season 2. Season 1 is not nearly as bad as the internet led me to believe, and honestly I kinda miss some things from it a little bit.
Well, there’s a bit of everything in the fandom. What sort of series and movies do you like? I’m sure we’ll be stumbling to recommend you specific episodes Abe possibly even a movie or two.
(TBH I don’t care much for the movies, expect for the Kelvin timeline, for which I’m sure I’ll burn at the stake.)
One preaches hope for a better future.
One preaches a never ending cycle of ambition, corruption, and cruelty.
Who would have ever thought time would prove Star Wars more thematically realistic 😂
Star Wars was based on the past but set in the future. They borrowed "stormtroopers" from Hitler. The space battles are just like WWII dogfights. Star Wars was never looking forward it was looking backwards.
With that logic, Star Trek is the same.
It is based upon submarine life. Even going as far as using the boatswain whistle and radar sounds at the controls.
You're talking about the organization of the ships crew, they're taking about overarching styles and themes.
Yeah but we need more submarine movies. If I have to pretend, I'll pretend.
I'd love to see Disney try out a sort of anthology of short seasons that all share thematic elements of WW2 that made the OT such a spectacle, but do like 4-8 episodes about a given person/squad/ship/squadron/station/agent/whatever...tell one good solid story about that subject then move on.
I'd love for one of those seasons to follow a light capital ship with 1-2 squadrons of fighters, and model it with elements of the carrier war in the Pacific mixed with a submarine movie theme.
Have them playing a deadly game of cat and mouse with a much larger ISD or Victory, both stuck in a nebula. They both get their hits in that cause grave damage, but both crews hang in there and stick to the mission.
How it ends is anyone's guess, but I could absolutely see plenty of room in that framework for intense scenes of sensors crews glued to their stations, hoping to go unnoticed, or desperately searching for any sign of their foe...
The audacity of people, he wants a submarine movie to Boot.
One of my favorite fun facts: "Balance of Terror" was the original Star Trek episode to introduce Romulans, and the first to feature space combat against a near peer adversary.
The screenplay for that episode actually was for a submarine movie, and it got readapted.
Are you sure Riker doesn’t perform jizz?
Riker got that taken care of before even joining the academy.
All crew report for mandatory jizz-ectomy
There is no sound tho
StarTrek all the way, actual REAL peaceful space communists or religious Knights with magic powers? That's not a hard choice
Everyone thinks I'm super into star wars cause I enjoy building Lego space ships and star wars is the option in that regard. Mind you I've just noticed a Chinese brick company have dropped a giant Enterprise and there's a Rocinante on the way too!
Does it come with a LEGO man polycule???
Alas, I don't believe so, though a few of the retailers have an awesome selection of third party minifigs, so maybe it could be done 🤷
Link please
Enterprise
Roci
I've ordered from both sites and they are trustworthy FWIW. If you're not familiar with Chinese brick companies GoBricks are the gold standard, Jie Star are pretty good too IMO. Most of the brands don't make their own bricks, anyone that uses GoBricks or Jie Star are typically okay in terms of brick quality.
If I'm honest in maybe 20-30 sets I've had one "poor" quality set of bricks and it was a £12 knock off of an X-Wing that I only bought because it was cheap, even then it was fine for the price.
Thanks
Space explorers ... or ... authoritarian space soldiers fighting religious space fanatics
Why does it feel like this comment section is assuming someones values based on their enjoyment of works of fiction haha
I like both for different reasons. And I don't think that really says much about my values at all
It's entertainment, people!
Especially this one:
Either you're into Star Trek and understand the self-burn vibes here or it's just a random not-overly-nerdy shirt.
I just applied for my UK passport and the photo I gave to them was me in a red T-shirt with the TOS delta on it. I'm guessing the delta will be cropped out, but here's hoping.
It's a Tom Scott reference with a funny triangle
When people conjure mental male representation of Star Wars, they think of fat neckbeard Lucas and the lizard. When they think of Star Trek, they imagine sly silver fox Picard and Datas most probable mechanical prowess.
This tracks.
Stranger in a Farscape shirt: knows how to party... possible cast or crew member.
did they even bother making farscape shirts when any bdsm attire would work?
Bdsm under a Hawaiian shirt
I never pass up a chance, no matter how small, to get my hands on a dose of translator microbes.
Might be a Muppet.
I have both tshirts, my trustworthiness also happens to fluctuate wildly based on my apparel.
I have this T-shirt. People have no idea what to do.
I need that.
I was trying to figure out where I got mine from, but I can't find the store. That image was from Etsy. I know there are others in similar styles for sale, but mine is just the outline like that.
Edit: also, the outline on mine is yellow.
stargate shirt
I'd suspect you of having a snake in your belly.
eyes briefly flash white in acknowledgement
Oh, then they absolutely knew.
The original RotJ novelization was released in 1983. Don't discount Legends!
Yeah, that unfortunate term has been around forever. I think I first ran across it in a West End Games sourcebook from 1990-ish.
To be fair, it was probably more common at the time to know that Jazz has an identical etymology.
Etymology is not destiny, and in particular Jazz was established before the sexual meaning of the root was firmly (hehheh) established.
Nah, man, Lucas clearly just wasn't familiar with the term and let it slide with the original ROTJ novelization, or the 1984 reference book, or wherever it was that it first popped up. Well, that, or they were just trolling us all along. 🤣
Total stranger in a Stargate T shirt. They probably have way more firepower, and enough C4 to solve all my problems.
Ya like Jizz?
Some of those jizz wailers have some real spunk to play in a dive bar in Mos Eisley
If your interstellar society has slavery, I'm not interested. Didn't the Jedi free Luke and just leave his mom in captivity?
Way too many Star Wars fans like the Empire for my taste. (And the rebels aren't much better, if they're better at all.)
That was Anakin Not his son Luke. And Qui-gon tried to free Shmi as well but Watto was too resilient.
And when Qui-gon realized he couldn't cheat hard enough for both slaves, he just... didn't try to get the funds together? Come up with some other sort of trade?
To be fair he died in a war like 5 minutes later
Unfortunately the last few pieces of SW media I saw the only interesting characters were imperials.
We don't have a style of music called jizz, because we classify our birds with it instead.
So I could talk about the jizz all over those boobies (or tits) and not have it be NSFW?
That's how I make it through the dark times.
Star Wars Jizzed right into my ear....
This isn't as funny since Disney renamed it to Jatz
Damn Disney and their cultural appropriation..
That’s our word!
When i saw that i was just hoping so hard that Jatz becomes slang for ass to mouth sex or something.
Be the change you want to see.
Hey have you heard of Jatz?
Probably because of the virtues that each fan seem to seek with their choice…
I'm something of a jizz-wailer myself...
-Riker, probably
I've been watching star trek (TNG, DS9, Voyager) and still don't get the red shirt reference. I know it's about them getting killed all the time but I just don't see it.
It's a running gag more than anything. The idea is Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Ensign Smith in a red shirt beam down to the dangerous planet. Who dies?
Ensign Smith:
Obviously the one who is not one of the lead actors, whose character usually doesn’t have a name, no lines, never appeared, and is from security and tasked to protect the captain and jump first in combat is going to survive.
They swapped the red and gold job responsibilities between TOS and TNG. In 90s trek, it's the gold shirts dying most often
The meme is from TOS. Not as many people died in the newer ones.
Cause you didn't watch the series the meme is made upon (TES)
TOS. More coffee for me
The edgy series? The excellent series? The ecstatic series? The evil series? The Elvin series? The e-coli series? The epinephrine series?
:p
I had to.
Well done, well deserved
In TOS, there were more characters in red shirts than any other color. So of course most deaths were characters wearing a red shirt. Proportionally, I believe it was actually yellow with the highest mortality rate.
Sometimes, late at night, the Jizz band starts playing more schmaltzy. Schmaltzy Jizz.
Ew.
I refuse to apologize.
https://dukejizzerstein.bandcamp.com/album/the-jizztastic-sounds-of-duke-jizzerstein
This is actually an interesting rabbit hole. I wonder if it's a meme or if Duke Jizzerstein is actually real. They really went hard into this whole jizz thing. There is literally a track on the album "Let's Jizz With the Duke!" called "Gonna Jizz Tonite"
Edit: it has to be fake. There is literally a track called "Spermulation". Also the website is a giveway that it's likely ai generated https://mrpii.online/
Well... Star Wars does have a character named Sleazebaggano... So...
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kit_Fisto
Depends. Are they wearing an Empire shirt or a Rebellion shirt?
The Mandalorian showed that didn't matter.
Someone in an Æon Flux shirt.
I wouldn't even talk to them, they'll probably answer in non-sequiturs and then run away giggling and twirling.