Bruh, I moved out here two years ago, and holy shit! These are the most miserable, hateful, rude, nasty, violent, stupid, lazy, and just all-around shitty people I have encountered in my life. Really, damn near everywhere I go in this state, I observe this behavior. I'm originally from Michigan, but I've been all over the US and really have not been anywhere like this.
We went there during Thanksgiving, and my wife looked around for a place that was open on Thanksgiving and had a good special dinner offering. The city subreddit said this one diner was amazing, and it happened to be a few blocks from our hotel.
It was bland and came out lukewarm. It was, at best, OK. We went back there for breakfast, because sometimes those kind of diners are only good for breakfast, but that was also, at best, OK. I have no idea why the city subreddit was raving about it.
I'll say this, when I move, I'll miss getting a little cheese cup for my breadsticks. I'll miss you Pizza King, but I won't miss my shitty neighbors and oppressive infrastructure.
I get that this is basically a politcal compass meme overlayed on a map (and also that this is in cartography anarchy), but here's how I'd actually divide things up based on basically 0 practical experience:
Acts nice, is nice: West Coast (WA, OR, CA, HI) (WA might have to move down to the next category if they're feeling surly)
I get the perception Cali can be prickly too, although I've never been there. Maybe orange for them too? And come to think of it, inland Oregon is very Idaho.
And of course that only aims to divide things up into big blocks similar to the original image. If I wanted to get more granular I'd probably put UT in "Acts nice, is mean" for example.
The colder the weather gets, the more we tend to be nice. Its just natural when you're living in a state/province where breaking down on the side of the road in winter can mean death.
And I'm only half kidding. I do honestly believe that a shared experience of harsh winters creates empathy. Same reason Nordic countries are nice to each other mostly as well.
When I lived in an apartment, many times I would shovel my neighbor's parking spot if it looked like they were working late during a snow storm. There's nothing worse than coming home after a long day to three feet of snow you have to shovel immediately.
Or helping someone whose car is stuck in snow and can't drive away. We've all helped at least one person by giving them a push.
Who the fuck is this goddamn oreo ass tramp walking into my fucking store with her fuckin low cut, 5 year old torn up-ass Vans on and her fuckin tattery-ass-lookin-ass bitch-ass fleece hoodie?
The coal belt is filled with abandoned elderly, selfish assholes, religious extremists, and white supremacists.
Well, yes, there is that too. I'd say you're more likely to find run-of-the-mill insensitive (and uninterested in improving) racists than out-and-out white supremacists though.
Near as I can tell since moving back, being "Iowa nice" means "be white and republican and talk down to everyone else" so no, more like acts nice, is mean for us.
My experience having lived across the US has been closer to https://youtu.be/u3qJlWQNNxA?si=EU_dgGLT-vWgmNXy - I haven't met a kind ("actually nice") person in Northern California who grew up there.
Quick context, if you ask for directions in Seattle, people will gladly help, but you will see the terror in their eyes that they have to socialize with someone they don't know.
Don't forget your socks and sandals, your SAD happy lamp, knowledge of Ezell's lore, and oh right, drink your coffee at Starbucks even though you pretend to be anti-corpoate.
Finally: You must hit yourself in the head with a brick untill the knowledge of how to safely drive in the rain has left your mind.
Don't increase your following distance, keep using bald tires, merge even more abrutly and erratically, and actually turn off your headlights that you normally have on full blast at all other times.
Bonus:
Complain about how the summers are too cloudy and cold, call I5 'the 5', and act surprised when people already know you're actually from California.
Next 10% is saying "I make $300k creating internal systems for streamlining data aggregation for business needs. Dang I love this city, it just needs another glass building- that theater/ historic landmark/ orphanage could totally be bulldozed"
And then drive 30 MPH in a 50, completely oblivious to the mile long line of cars behind you. Bonus points if you can be sure only a single car gets through a left hand turn light.
If you want to start an argument without seeming like you are trying to, in Seattle, ask two different people what neighborhood you are currently in, and what its borders are.
Frellingford? Did not exist when I moved to Seattle originally, now it somehow does... sort of?
Ballard? Gets larger the older a person is, smaller the younger a person is.
Is it more racist to call it the International District, refer to the entire thing as China Town, or should we go block by block through different asian ethnicities based on street signage?
Is it more racist to call it the International District, refer to the entire thing as China Town, or should we go block by block through different asian ethnicities based on street signage?
This is where the desire to be inclusive just gets ridiculous and sucks the fun out of everything.
As someone who used to live in new York, can confirm. New Yorkers come off as rude but usually they just have places to be, when they're not trying to get somewhere they're quite nice.
I would say this is more true of the midatlantic/northeast. Very direct, say what they mean, it can come off as rude, or mean, but the subject outside of delivery, is not so.
After living in the southwest (born in LV, lived in PUMA, lived in Phoenix, lived in Prescot AZ, dad was stationed at edwards for a while too). I agree with this chart in a very superficial, this is a joke on the internet, way, honestly. Never met so many people who were just abrasive all around, than the SW. Hey, it's been a lot of years though. There might have been a big cultural shift. Even if it hasn't, I would take it over the "southern hospitality" mask of the SE, any day.
Maybe curmudgeonly is a better way of putting it. They say what they mean and they don't feel like anyone is owed niceness or personal interaction. That doesn't mean they hate you, they just don't care about you and aren't afraid to let you know.
Ain't no fucking way Indiana is in the "Nice" category
Bruh, I moved out here two years ago, and holy shit! These are the most miserable, hateful, rude, nasty, violent, stupid, lazy, and just all-around shitty people I have encountered in my life. Really, damn near everywhere I go in this state, I observe this behavior. I'm originally from Michigan, but I've been all over the US and really have not been anywhere like this.
Jeffersonville, Indiana can have Jefferson County, KY. They're the same people you describe.
I saw more Confederate battle flags around Indianapolis than I did in Atlanta. Fuck Indianapolis.
I'm amazed by how consistently bad the reviews for Indiana are. Even the food is somehow worse than the rest of the Midwest, apparently.
Oh, yes, it is.
We went there during Thanksgiving, and my wife looked around for a place that was open on Thanksgiving and had a good special dinner offering. The city subreddit said this one diner was amazing, and it happened to be a few blocks from our hotel.
It was bland and came out lukewarm. It was, at best, OK. We went back there for breakfast, because sometimes those kind of diners are only good for breakfast, but that was also, at best, OK. I have no idea why the city subreddit was raving about it.
I'll say this, when I move, I'll miss getting a little cheese cup for my breadsticks. I'll miss you Pizza King, but I won't miss my shitty neighbors and oppressive infrastructure.
Or Utah
It's called the middle finger of the south for a reason
I get that this is basically a politcal compass meme overlayed on a map (and also that this is in cartography anarchy), but here's how I'd actually divide things up based on basically 0 practical experience:
Acts nice, is nice: West Coast (WA, OR, CA, HI) (WA might have to move down to the next category if they're feeling surly)
Acts mean, is nice: Northeast (ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT, NY, PA, NJ, MD, DE)
Acts nice, is mean: Southeast (AR, LA, KY, TN, MS, AL, WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, FL), Midwest (ND, SD, NE, KS, MN, IA, MO, WI, IL, MI, IN, OH), and Alaska
Acts mean, is mean: The rest (ID, MT, WY, NV, UT, CO, AZ, NM, OK, TX)
"Acts nice, is mean" still makes up a large part of the country, but "Acts mean, is mean" has been trending up for about a decade now.
I've colored it in as you described, at least I'm in one of the nice states
I forgot to color in the hawaii square, one sec (now fixed, apologies hawaii)
What's this Hawaii place? Is it like that myth of New Zealand?
Gonna save this for when I decide to visit.
What is Washington in this graphic? Orange isn't depicted in the original, and this doesn't have a key.
Alaska belongs more in the "acts mean, is nice" category. But it's less "mean" and more "apathetic and disinterested."
I get the perception Cali can be prickly too, although I've never been there. Maybe orange for them too? And come to think of it, inland Oregon is very Idaho.
There's assholes born everywhere, I guess.
I think CA is act nice is mean. I lived there for 5 years and realized everyone was p. Passive aggressive.
Depends on where you are in the State. California is almost as tall as Europe, and the people are almost as varied.
And of course that only aims to divide things up into big blocks similar to the original image. If I wanted to get more granular I'd probably put UT in "Acts nice, is mean" for example.
The colder the weather gets, the more we tend to be nice. Its just natural when you're living in a state/province where breaking down on the side of the road in winter can mean death.
And I'm only half kidding. I do honestly believe that a shared experience of harsh winters creates empathy. Same reason Nordic countries are nice to each other mostly as well.
I think there is some truth to this.
When I lived in an apartment, many times I would shovel my neighbor's parking spot if it looked like they were working late during a snow storm. There's nothing worse than coming home after a long day to three feet of snow you have to shovel immediately.
Or helping someone whose car is stuck in snow and can't drive away. We've all helped at least one person by giving them a push.
That actually tracks
Look at the "mean" spots: summers get over 110-120 in a lot of those places
Seem and are mean is the SW, where we keep death valley
You KNOW people are bigger assholes when it's hot. We ALL do
I don’t agree with this at all. That’s not my experience as an Aussie.
The stars rotate the opposite direction there, so it works the other way. Antarctica is a barren waste for a reason.
That explains why the Vikings are known to be so kind.
It's different, they have Vitamin D
As a Canadian, you can extend the top two up to us and it would still mostly fit.
I'm on the "acts mean, is nice" side in Ontario, and you all can get fucked 🖕
Let me help you with carrying your groceries, fuck face.
The bible belt / coal belt is not nice.
C'mon, the coal belt is the definition of acts mean, is nice.
Bible belt is peak 'southern hospitality' though, sweet words covering a spit in the face.
The coal belt is filled with abandoned elderly, selfish assholes in lifted trucks, religious extremists, and white supremacists.
"Well how you doin', Honey!?"
Who the fuck is this goddamn oreo ass tramp walking into my fucking store with her fuckin low cut, 5 year old torn up-ass Vans on and her fuckin tattery-ass-lookin-ass bitch-ass fleece hoodie?
"That'll be $6.34, Sug!"
"You have a nice day, now!"
Well, yes, there is that too. I'd say you're more likely to find run-of-the-mill insensitive (and uninterested in improving) racists than out-and-out white supremacists though.
Near as I can tell since moving back, being "Iowa nice" means "be white and republican and talk down to everyone else" so no, more like acts nice, is mean for us.
“The entire Midwest disliked that”
They might have something real strong to say about it
That's different.
My experience having lived across the US has been closer to https://youtu.be/u3qJlWQNNxA?si=EU_dgGLT-vWgmNXy - I haven't met a kind ("actually nice") person in Northern California who grew up there.
Edit to add: err, except my wife of course.
Who ever made this has never been to Minnesota. Or Iowa for that matter.
The Midwest in general. I feel we're getting lumped in with New England.
As a young Tulsan on my first tech support job, it took me ages to figure out that Yanks aren't as mean as rattlesnakes, they just talk that way.
As a northerner who lived in Tulsa for four years, I'd say Oklahoma was "Acts nice, are crazy"
PNW should be: acts nice, is scared
Quick context, if you ask for directions in Seattle, people will gladly help, but you will see the terror in their eyes that they have to socialize with someone they don't know.
Truly the Finns of America.
No lies detected (Seattle native here)
Damn, maybe I was secretly born in Seattle and smuggled to the other side of the country.
Better buy yourself a Subaru, a North face jacket, a climbing gym membership, and some weed and Zoloft.
Don't forget your socks and sandals, your SAD happy lamp, knowledge of Ezell's lore, and oh right, drink your coffee at Starbucks even though you pretend to be anti-corpoate.
Finally: You must hit yourself in the head with a brick untill the knowledge of how to safely drive in the rain has left your mind.
Don't increase your following distance, keep using bald tires, merge even more abrutly and erratically, and actually turn off your headlights that you normally have on full blast at all other times.
Bonus:
Complain about how the summers are too cloudy and cold, call I5 'the 5', and act surprised when people already know you're actually from California.
90% is California transplant flags
Next 10% is saying "I make $300k creating internal systems for streamlining data aggregation for business needs. Dang I love this city, it just needs another glass building- that theater/ historic landmark/ orphanage could totally be bulldozed"
Everything south of LA is:
La Jolla, hateful mean snobs
San Diego, topically nice but incredibly shallow. Deep as a puddle
And then drive 30 MPH in a 50, completely oblivious to the mile long line of cars behind you. Bonus points if you can be sure only a single car gets through a left hand turn light.
If you want to start an argument without seeming like you are trying to, in Seattle, ask two different people what neighborhood you are currently in, and what its borders are.
Frellingford? Did not exist when I moved to Seattle originally, now it somehow does... sort of?
Ballard? Gets larger the older a person is, smaller the younger a person is.
Is it more racist to call it the International District, refer to the entire thing as China Town, or should we go block by block through different asian ethnicities based on street signage?
This is where the desire to be inclusive just gets ridiculous and sucks the fun out of everything.
https://www.soundtransit.org/ride-with-us/stops-stations/international-district-chinatown-station?route_tab=more_info
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown%E2%80%93International_District,_Seattle
Yeah, Seattle (as in the city government) could not figure out the answer to that question, so they named it "International District / Chinatown".
... And then they also started going block by block with bilingual street signage, English and Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese.
From the south, now in the PNW. Can confirm, I’ve probably accidentally scared the shit out of so many Seattlites just by being friendly
Person: "good afternoon!"
Seattleite: "haha I'm in danger"
I had a bartender tell me one time that to make friends with a Seattlite you probably need to randomly run into them 10ish times
Which you never will, because that's not how things work in a city of 750,000 people.
This map applies to every individual city as well, just make sure "acts mean is mean" is the rich quadrant of the city and the rest will map nicely.
That may be the "acts nice, calls the police on you because you're on their neighborhood and don't match the pantone"
Alaska: Fuck off and leave us alone.
Hawaii: Get the fuck here and hang with us.
(Plz,weneedmoneytoshipthingsacrosshalfthepacific)Im a european, been to san francisco once, nicest fucking people ive ever met.
As someone who used to live in new York, can confirm. New Yorkers come off as rude but usually they just have places to be, when they're not trying to get somewhere they're quite nice.
This is oddly quite accurate
No it used to be before newsmax brainwashed the midwest
KC north and KC south really are different.
Kencucky?
Kansas City.
That spot in Kansas must be an exciting mix.
I've done road trips to both Michigan and New York state. Other than some asshole driving in Michigan everyone I interacted with was very friendly.
Pretty much
The people in the Southwest are just very forthright. They don't say one thing and mean another.
I would say this is more true of the midatlantic/northeast. Very direct, say what they mean, it can come off as rude, or mean, but the subject outside of delivery, is not so.
After living in the southwest (born in LV, lived in PUMA, lived in Phoenix, lived in Prescot AZ, dad was stationed at edwards for a while too). I agree with this chart in a very superficial, this is a joke on the internet, way, honestly. Never met so many people who were just abrasive all around, than the SW. Hey, it's been a lot of years though. There might have been a big cultural shift. Even if it hasn't, I would take it over the "southern hospitality" mask of the SE, any day.
Maybe curmudgeonly is a better way of putting it. They say what they mean and they don't feel like anyone is owed niceness or personal interaction. That doesn't mean they hate you, they just don't care about you and aren't afraid to let you know.
I feel like it needs to be qualified that the bottom half is mainly a white problem.
Fun fact the yellow corner has the most nazis
Downvoted.
Act Nice between whites ans rich people dont count.
Silicon fucking valley ? Ask to latinos what they think ans where they are living...
Im French BTW, and I can see that.
ah ah, my bad,
Why so serious?
society made me like this,