[September 2024] JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22332949
JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’
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So.. extortion then?
Yes, that's the word.
Europe is about to experience what africa and south america have been experiencing for decades.
Buckle up.
The difference is that Europe should be more capable of resisting America. We'll see if that actually happens but given how things have gone before when the EU went after American companies I don't think they'll budge easily.
Not when combined with "completely unrelated" tarrifs and psyops from china and russia.
10 years until europe falls.
Not being able to access American sites will allow local competitors to appear. Back in 2005-2010, before Facebook, there were many local social platforms and forums. For example, these are all from Romania.
He's just being honest about US foreign policy for the last 80 years.
Not even in office yet, and already making threats.
I’d like to see Europe tell Vance to fuck off. I suspect that if Europe gives in now, the Trump administration will make this same threat every time Europe does something he doesn’t like.
Trump will be an unreliable NATO ally anyway, so it isn’t much of a risk on Europe’s part.
Don't negotiate with terrorists
And this was from September so not even elected yet.
Tbh it kinda sounds like they just want to leave NATO regardless.
I get the same feeling, too. They’re just looking for an excuse to ditch Europe - perhaps as a sacrifice to Putin.
Ofc they won't SAY that - they'll talk about "what a fantastic savings it will be, to not spend that money", and probably they'll work up gently to the point of sending US citizens to become meat shields like the North Koreans and so many others lately. But at each stage, it will always be what "we" wanted to do - it's "our" idea to do it, I tell you!?
I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls the US out of NATO and the UN, since he hates both organizations.
I'd be amazed if he does any of it tbh. Last time he just spent most of it playing golf, and sticking his goofy-ass signature on anything they stick in front of him.
The last thing they want to do is actually deal with the boogeyman issues. If they did that they'll have nothing to campaign on next time.
Most of this will be spent lining their own pockets.
This is such an optimistic take. I am very concerned they will spend the next 4 years making sure whatever election we have next is more similar to a Russian “election”.
Why wouldn't they try? They've done everything they could so far and face no repercussions, why not go ahead and try to be king? A few people will fret and tut-tut but if nobody is going to do anything it doesn't amount to much.
Well, Trump specifically may not try because the risk/reward isn't really good for him.
As it stands, he gets to declare an unambiguous "victory" where he won at life. He got to be president with ultimately a clean sweep of the swing states and the popular vote and served as many terms as he is allowed to serve. Thanks to the rules, he doesn't need to compete again, and he can stop even pretending to work after 4 years.
Meanwhile, a push to establish him as "dictator for life" might at best buy him another few years in office before his health will fail. Such an effort comes with high risk, of him going down in history as more of a "bad man", of personal risk for being targeted by violence.
Now JD Vance might be game to make a go of it, he's got decades left in the tank. Of course broadly speaking there's a balance of power, with those currently in power relatively comfortable knowing that the vote serves as a nice way to get pushed out of office before people get pissed enough to put you in real physical danger. Plenty of opportunities to be self-serving with a pretty safe retirement should things start going awry. Fanaticism can drive people to go further, but I would like to think a pragmatic person with a sense of self-interest can see the value in a peaceful voting out versus having those same millions of people losing their political voice.
This shit is so naive.
The fact that he'll spend all his time playing golf or whatever will leave ample room for all his appointees to actually govern. It's not Trump we should be worried about.
This is so naive. They literally told us exactly what they will do, and it literally has "2025" in the title. We need to listen to them when they tell us what they are going to do.
Didn't congress make it practically impossible to pull out of nato now?
Republicans will control Congress. I'm sure they'll be fine rolling anything back.
Do you not understand what the word "dictator" means? He told us what he's going to be. Congress is irrelevant, and if it continues to exist, it will be to rubber stamp, at best.
If I recall correctly countries can't withdrawl from the UN without their approval
Problem is though that the un-united dystopia of america could cause issues in the UN
The US pulling out of the UN would allow them to pass all sorts of cool stuff, like recognizing and admitting Palestine and calling for a ceasefire, recognizing the universal rights of children, and condemning the far-right, all of which the US used its veto power to stop against overwhelming support on the other side.
It's going to be a hell of a long 4 years, for America and the rest of the world. Damn.
They should do this with Sanctions.
You offended a bunch of Germans here. Don't forget the Americans are sitting in Germany mostly to bomb Syrian kids though, they're not defending Europe from anything.
Oh dear, spilled koolaid all down your straight jacket
Holding Western stability hostage in the name of the oligarchs, good job voting everyone...
No no no, you see, we showed the democrats by not showing up to vote! /s
uuugh... I made myself sick quoting those jackass fucktards. (I did vote, and screamed until I was blue in the face to get people to vote. About every year.)
The sad part is that that also describes what the Democrats did to get us into this mess.
You have data to back that up I assume?
Biden had polling in his hands that said Trump would get 400 electoral votes against him on the day he decided to run for a second term. Then he held on just long enough to make certain we would have no primary and be stuck with a candidate who couldn't shake the stink of his presidency.
Harris lost the popular vote by over 4-million votes. There aren't that many "leftist extremists" in the whole damn country, and only a small subset of those wouldn't have voted for Harris.
The vast bulk of those who stayed home were left leaning apolitical normies. Most of the country fits in that group.
A candidate who couldn't make it to the first primary in her last campaign for this position too! I felt what I could only describe as "meta-unease" about her.
If I felt so unmotivated, how uninspired was everyone else?
Also I think the racial rhetoric from the Dems is turning some Black voters off.
Literally did the thing you criticized them for.
Best I could do without a definition for the stupid use of "leftist extremists" with no definition. My point is, there is zero evidence to blame this election on leftists of any stripe.
But if it's not the leftists fault...
You are delusional
Dunno if it was enough to change the results, but I agree 100%. As a progressive myself: fuck these people.
Old article, btw. This is from Sept 2024. I get that's what he promised, and while I think he's a complete asshat, let's not discount that he and Trump said and will say anything to appear smart, capable, and as if they have a plan.
Time will tell if this actually comes to pass, but I'm not actually going to hold my breath for this one.
Good note, I didn't notice that in the original post. I edited the title
These autocrats have always wanted to drop NATO.
Let’s not pretend like X is their reason. Supporting autocracy is their reason, and now they’re trying to come up with excuses to get the public onboard.
Yes, but they need to repay the rat elon for all his support during the campaign. This might even be true
NATO is a terrorist organization led by USA. If any USA rulers want to disband it would be only to com up with a bigger and more evil organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
"According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries, and even went so far as to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism as they tortured communists and assassinated them, such as Eduardo Mondlane in 1969"
Based on this conclude what you want about the NATO of today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadfast_Defender_2024
Ooh, let's play "find the dark history"! What better way to distract from today's issues and avoid talking about solutions for tomorrow's problem!
This is me agreeing with you, to be clear. The description "taints in its history" is so ubiquitous as to be useless. Yes, acknowledging the errors of the past is important to learn from them and improve, but the focus needs to be on that learning and improving.
The NATO has potential to be a force of security. In a modern world, conflict between peers is more destructive than ever and the returns on aggressive action are more strongly affected by the strength of the defense, such a union of forces can discourage attack by making it too unprofitable.
Of course, that requires the union to actually stand united and the potential aggressor to be reasonable and motivated by the state's prosperity. Neither of those seem entirely guaranteed right now...
Your opinions are certainly grounded in reality at least. It's refreshing to read something sensible for a change.
There are a lot of dudes working for the fucking Russians too.
Yes i'm sure they are doing a very busy job like they were in their tainted history (false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Response
"Several of the operations were along the coast in the borders between sea and land, and together with roads and populated areas. Surveillance, patrols, road control posts, vehicle inspection, control of air space, minesweeping, evacuation of civilians, and riot control were important part of the exercise."
Where do i find a fault in conducting vehicle inspections and riot control at peace time, from an organization with a shady past involving false flag operations, psychological warfare and assassinations aimed at delegitimize left-wing parties.
Dunno buddy let me keep thinking
The ukrainian military also have checkpoints in the west border to make sure any male between 18 and 60 doesn't leave the country so that they can be forced into war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine
To me this sound like military rhetoric coming from a military man. You self defined yourself as being a moderately honest anarchist, i suggest you to keep doing your anarchist readings and re-read the works of Emma Goldman and Errico Malatesta.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-the-european-war-and-the-international-workers-organization
As if the US and a whole lot other countries are not doing Psy-Ops and other behind the scenes actions. pulling strings on the world stage.
Yeah dude! Tell them! Also tell them what was the normal operations at the time! And what are Russia and China doing today!!!
You wanting the same thing JD Vance wants should trigger a warning in your brain before you say anything else.
I said that NATO is a terrorist organization not that i want something
what about it?
Something tells me he's not going anywhere.
Well of course, we know that reading comprehension isnt strong in the MAGAhole sphere.
Y use word. Picture eazy, make sence.
Can Canada apply to join Europe?
Pretty please svp
I think we have one free chair left after UK, so...
imagine if trump seized everything he can from him and deported him for being immigrant
And then you get idiots that will tell someone that is not American : "uh why do you care so much about our election, it's not your country"
Well yes your (vice) president is starting to extort the rest of the world before even starting his mandate...
An NATO without the US would be better for the whole world although I know that it's not Vance intention
Very much this.
Just look at the TPP. The US tried to write the rules and the rest of the partners said, "No." The US said, "Screw you guys, we're going home!" and stormed off in a snit assuming the deal would fall apart without them but it didn't and it ended up being better without the US imperialist bullshit. Then, US farmers realized that they were getting fucked because the US wasn't part of the deal ([1], [2], [3]) and the US came back demanding to be let in and the US imperialist bullshit restored to the agreement. Once again the partnerd said, "No".
Let's let the US leave whatever they want to leave, renegotiate everything without them, then only let them return under the new terms. The world will be a much better place in the end.
EDIT: Trump ordered the US to withdraw from the TPP because the partners wouldn't be bullied into accepting one-sided andi-competitive, anti-consumer protections for US industry and a dispute resolution process that favoured the US but that the US would ignore when it lost.
This is the absolute weirdest thing about Trump's governance to me: how sometimes he ends up doing good things for terrible reasons, like when the US redeployed from Syria.
Also, we draw lines on maps and build borders but the environment doesnt care where pollution & emissions originate, everything spreads everywhere in the end.
Not too long ago, this would be a career-ending display of corruption.
Yup.
In case anyone hasn't noticed, the goalposts for norms have significantly shifted in the last decade. This is historically how it always begins.
Buckle up. Protect yourself.
Yes, and if called out, they say it happens for freedom of speech, which is absurd given that the richest man on earth provides the infrastructure and has a large presence on the platform himself.
Cool, no more need for American military bases in our countries then. Or sharing intelligence with them. Or propping up their arms industry.
There's still that little issue of building up your own. Most EU countries have been demilitarizing for 30 years more and more, with the strategy being "it's a new world without wars, and also big daddy USA will protect us, and if not them, then Britain and France will". Britain has done an exit, and France alone is kinda lazy.
That's not the Europe I see now and sounds like a US President trope. I would agree that post-Cold War that was the case, but I'd say in the last decade at least, it's not.
But, genuine question as I'm open to being wrong, saved this is an area that interests me, do you have sources for this?
Yeah, the person above isn't being accurate at all.
While here in the UK we rely heavily on the US for control of Trident, the US dropping NATO support would just require additional defence spending and closer alignment with Europe. If Trump is bought by Russia, Putin would see this as a Very Bad Thing, and would want to keep the US in the fold because even with the US NATO would likely steamroll Russia.
The Trump dynamic is somewhat problematic, should it fester elsewhere in Europe. Globalisation was an important trait to maintain for the US, whereas most populist movements move towards buying local or supporting national interests above all else. Europe is largely self-sufficient, even in defence, so Trump would probably cut off huge numbers of imports/exports just to prop up Elon's shitty cars.
Putin has been working to dismantle NATO for a long time though. Whether he is right or wrong, he clearly feels that the US pulling out of NATO is in his interest.
the british military slashed budgets considerably after 2008. we've maintained special forces and we decomissioned our last carrier before its replacement was ready. we're back up to 2 carriers now but dont have enough planes to put on them.
we have virtually no stockpiles of artillery and our land forces are small.
From an entirely selfish perspective, the UK has very few threats militarily, unless the French decide to invade again.
Russia have demonstrated the ability to carry out chemical weapons attacks on mainland UK soil.
if a full on exchange we would be out of air defence ammunition very quickly.
The Skripal thing? No amount of tanks or missiles can stop espionage.
Nah. It's a trope all right.
"For 20 years" is fine.
Britain has in no way done an exit. Going out of a trade and economic union has nothing to do with their military commitments.
To defense as part of NATO - yes.
People in Sardinia are going to be happy about this
That would work, if the EU hasn’t been sleeping on their defense, and relying on Daddy USA to protect Europe
God I hate Earth.
Earth is lovely, it's humanity I struggle with.
Humanity is lovely, it's politicians I struggle with.
What a coincidence that Elon Musk paid 100+ million for their campaign
If anyone is interested these countries are ahead of the USA from 1-25: Denmark Switzerland Sweden Belgium Estonia Norway Finland Ireland Germany Iceland Portugal Austria New Zealand Canada Argentina Spain Czech Republic Italy Latvia Costa Rica Uruguay France Dominican Republic Netherlands Vanuatu
Insult Musk on Twitter, wait until posts are censored, sue X for not having freedom of speech. How's that for American values?
Freedom of speech only applies against the government. Private companies are free to throw you off their platforms for any reason or no reason at all.
Vance doesn't know that
Well if he isn't already, it's only a matter of time before Musk is part of the government (ugh goddammit I want to vomit), and I would not put it past them to attempt to make X some kind of "official" government app. Tons of money for Musk, and the US government now controls the data of hundreds of millions of users, as well as complete control over what is and isn't shown on the site.
See how easy it is to come up with this shit? Fascism is easy mode for amoral sociopaths.
Also threaten to pull broadcast licenses for any news agency that looks at you with squinting eyes. Yay freedom of speech.
This is why billionaires shouldn't exist.
The other thing I need to mention is that is that Elon Musk is far from the only billionaire with a massively disproportionate influence on elections and society. Or even the biggest. He is just the biggest attention whore of them all.
I imagine him and other billionaires in a group chat with him word vomiting every time he has an idea of how to further fuck the USA.
It'd be messed up for the government to do this even if he wasn't a billionaire though. End corporations in bed with government.
Democracy voted for this, apparently
So, the US wants to lose the only influence it actually has on Europe?
I say go for it.
Oh nooooooo! The poor tax payer helping secure the planet he lives on. How tragic!
Yeah because a magic border makes it so that things don’t affect all of us. Isn’t that wonderful?
I legit don’t understand how anyone can think so small.
If a fire starts in a city where everyone has your attitude, how long before it all burns down?
Whether we like it or not, borders aren’t magical lines that protect us from the damage done behind one of those lines. Humanity is responsible for the wellbeing of humanity. No silly little line is going to change that.
Imagine the consequences we’d still be suffering (yes, we. All of us) if the US hadn’t joined in WWII.
I honestly don’t understand how anyone can think of their fellow humans as parasites. We’re all in this together. One big ego with enough support can destroy all of our lives and throw us back into the dark ages.
We have thousands of years of history to guide us. Look into it.
Sure, but it's not the US's job to protect the world. I'm a US citizen, and I'm not a fan of us spending ~5x vs Germany on defense, especially when Germany is such an economic powerhouse in the EU.
I would really like to cut defense spending, but for that to happen, other NATO countries need to increase their defense spending. I absolutely think we should stay in NATO (for the reasons you stated), but NATO is supposed to be an alliance, not a set of countries protected by the US. Yes, it's in our interest to protect the EU, but it's also in the EU's interest to protect the US. We should have each other's back.
No, they don't. The US military spending far outpaces any other country. The US spends more than the next 10 countries combined! You don't "need" that much spending, but your GDP is happy for that extra trillion every year that some day will trickle down for sure wink wink.
In summary, your rhetoric is pure propaganda of conservative talking points, unfortunately.
It's really not.
While I agree we need to drastically reduce military spending, that decision has consequences. We'd need to shut down foreign bases, reduce naval presence around the globe, and increase our reliance on reserves instead of standing military. If we do that, that'll embolden other countries (like China, Iran, and Russia) to fill that void unless other partners step up.
Military spending (and deficit spending in general) is a major issue I'm concerned about, and I'm unhappy with both major parties here. I like Trump's pressure on the EU to step up their part, but I don't like his increases to military spending. I like Biden's and Harris focus on social programs instead of military spending, but I don't like their lack of cuts. Neither party is actually interested in turning swords into plow shears, they just court the military industrial complex differently.
We need to increase taxes and cut spending, yet both parties seem to do the opposite.
The US WANTS to be in those bases because it gives them a lot of soft power in foreign relationships, and a base to project power in the part of the world.
If the US gives up NATO, you can also kiss goodbye to any sort of influence on the European countries decision making, as well as any resemblance of military logistic in that part of the world (as well as any sales of military equipment to European countries as it's starting to happen, with many countries investing in their own military industrial complexes). This is why in the past 50 years, regardless of the party, every single US president supported NATO regardless of spendings. It took a moron to say they want out
I'd say that military bases within European countries is the definition of projecting hard power. If 40 000 soldiers in a military base are called 'soft power', what's hard power then? Nuking the city?
40k really isn't that many, especially when it comes to war. That said, those bases can likely handle a lot higher population, which would rapidly increase in wartime.
Sure that's not corrupt at all.
This is expected. A hallmark of fascism is state capitalism — a fusion of the corporation and the state — with corporations administered more like org units of the fascist party.
Many of us have been saying that this is the natural end state of capitalism all along, if it's allowed to run its course.
Problem is that it's hurting the economy, meaning that if your hypothesis is right, capitalism collapses rather quickly if left on it's on devices.
🤨... You ever heard of a place called China?
Yeah that's exactly what I mean. It's the best example that state capitalism is extremely destructive and cannibalizing the economy.
You know what? Don't worry too much about it. Reality will catch up eventually.
Yeah, but you just distract the idiots with "illegal" immigrants, and abortion, and perceived "enemies within", etc. etc.
It works every single time.
It only ever works for a decade or two before it obliterates the economy every single time.
They can't even wait two fucking months before saying explicitly fascist shit like this.
So many people are in for a rude awakening, including many people on the left who have no concept of what is coming. This is what happens when you don't teach history, I guess.
Yup.
Everyone, left and right, are about to go through something very unpleasant together.
I never did have any hope for those on the right, but I hope those on the left that helped make this happen become fully aware of their mistake.
Block the lot.
We don't need US far right propaganda.
We have our own.
France's military industry is having wet dreams thinking about it.
If the US pulls out of NATO France becomes the biggest arms exporter of NATO and I would expect other countries will become less enthusiastic at the idea of buying US weapons systems.
Doesnt Germany also produce a whole lot while their own army is rotting away?
Here is the share of global arms export per country.
Germany, Italy and the UK are also big exporters but still behind France.
Im actually surprised that FR is so much higher. Really unexpected.
It's not that surprising once you know that their goal is to be completely independent for their US for their military equipment.
It includes the nuclear bomb, missiles, fighter jet, aircraft carrier, submarines, even space capabilities (even if this last part has been lacking a bit lately).
They don't have the US military budget but they want the same level of technology without any ties to the US.
It means that they are exporting a lot to compensate for the high investments they are pouring into military technology.
So, accept cybertrucks in the narrow streets of Italian hill towns, high fructose corn syrup in all food, freedom of hate speech driving vulnerable voices out of your public square, and AR-15s for everyone who wants one, or we throw you to the Orcs?
x is a government platform now. Sign onto your government social media account.
Listen, if it were a government website it would be unusable for the vast majority of users, and basically impossibly to navigate, so we got that going for us. Looking at you DTS.
Now that you say this, I’m not afraid they may make all banking transactions go through truth social or x.
They don't need to do that, feds already have access to all of your banking information.
Maybe but then through X they can collect fees
What a weird tactic for such a weird, little person.
Lol. He's actually 6'3" though (190.5cm), so pretty tall.
Still, I absolutely hate mixing diplomatic/military policy and economic policy. Screw all of that. Doesn't change his height though.
Yes. Attacking peoples appearance will surely teach the opposition not to do the same.
Perfectly executed strategy.
Does cheering on the Nazis make you feel good about yourself?
Well, they tried "fascist," but Americans are literally too fucking stupid to know what that means.
They should have just lied, I guess.
They do not care. They are the worst people this side of Pol Pot and Stalin and still get all the votes for the republican party.
I think we should collectively block twitter on our routers and be done with it.
Just curious, I left all my tech savvy in 2008. How is blocking Twitter any different from just not using it?
You won't generate traffic on embedded posts and you won't inadvertently open the site clicking on links
Gotcha, thanks for answering!
Why do you think they care? Even if their followers didn't have cult-like devotion, the chances that we will ever have a free and fair presidential election ever again are extremely slim. Why should they care about optics?
Oh so they're copying infamous and largely ineffective wolf warrior tactics from China. Good way to make every single country despise and look down on the US.
Looking down at the US is actually the norm for other countries.
Downward angle is increasing significantly now though, I'd imagine
This is a key part of fascism, government and industry being one and the same entity.
It's Fascism all the way down!
Couchfucker said what?
Couchfucker said we cannot band The Dipshit
If ur mean to Elon we leave NATO.
A very hinged take. Thank you Kanye, very cool.
The only way to deal with them is to call them on every bluff so that making a bluff becomes a liability'
Trump and Vance hold no actual power. Musk is now the shadow president of the USA.
I wish this were true... You should probably read some history about fascism/totalitarianism. Musk, and his corporations, are just another arm of the authoritarian government, to be used on the whim of our singular leader. Usually to mete out vengeance for perceived slights, and occasionally reward a crony for their loyalty (until they're no longer needed, of course).
This is how all corporations function under this system, otherwise they are eliminated.
Welcome back to the political spoils system.
Never thought I would say this but PLEASE let Trump live another 4 years.
Stage 1. I want Trump dead in office, like asap.
Stage 2. I am terrified of a President Vance.
Stage 3. I want Trump live another few years.
Maybe they both die and we get Mike Johnson!
I'm holding for Thanos' snap wiping out several specific people
Yiu know as well as I do that Vance was the real candidate all along. The orange buffoon will be martyred less than a year after he takes office to make way for him. Vance is much easier to control.
Vance is also directly out Peter thiel pocket or other areas around their crotch
Hope everyone is ready for this to be at least the next 4 years of our lives.
I say at least because these losers ran on fundamentally changing how our government works. In 4 years they may be able to create a scenario in which it's literally impossible for them to lose an election. Not to mention the effect this will have on global politics.
We let the Stupids have total control of our federal government. Suffering will become the norm. And if you think we're suffering now? Well, might be time to pick up a history book.
But hey Gaza, imright, oh wait.
Can't wait to see what these fuckheads have in store for America, and the rest of the world. Plus, Canada is getting it's own version of Trump next year, so that's incredible too.
What wonderful times we live in.
We should really start to believe them when they say these things, and prepare accordingly.
The "it can't happen here" mentality is so ingrained, that I feel like even many of the people who know that it is bullshit, still aren't fully comprehending what is coming. Which I get, because it's hard to comprehend. But boy is it frustrating.
How fascist of him
The government using it's power in the service of corporations
Please tell me the whole world isn’t going to suck his balls like last time
I'm hoping my State doesn't suck his balls like last time.
my state is already sucking his balls like last time :(
Ah, I'm sorry. Hang in there.
Suck our misinformaphalus and don’t apply your own laws or we will abandon you.
Sounds like fascist talk, yeah.
This guy is the future vice president. Fuck you people of America.
More than likely future president. Trump served his purpose in getting his cult to take over America. He'll probably step down to play golf and have sex with minors.
It'll be the 25th amendment.
The fun part will be watching Trump and his maga cult fight it, cope with it, and eventually come to terms they have been grifted.
This is why people say Americans are morons, because they elect shitheads like this.
What a time to be alive.
Not for long, if RFK Jr has his way.
Don't threaten them with good times
I believe I speak for all of us Europeans when I say he can go fuck himself while sucking off Elon's micropenis.
Doesn't he know that NATO profit US the most?
JD Vance is crazy
They want to do it anyway and just look for excuses to blame others.
The fucking Government of Putin wants to kill off the US defense industry. If the asswipes do this, they will cutoff the spare parts to keep the weapons maintained. Fuck that shit, it's time for the EU to purchase and use EU made weapon systems because the USA will become an unreliable partner. Furthermore, the US military can leave all their installations in Europe and rebuild them in fucking Russia for all I care.
Now is the time for Europe to rally behind Ukraine. We really should have upped military funding and arms production in preparation for this outcome.
The orange dickhead is not yet at his new place, but the asshole followers are already raging :(
I guess the next four years will be "interesting" and divisive. This world is going from bad to worse.
Imagine caping for that fuckin' lizard. Couldn't be me.
Americans taking some inspiration from WeChat.
Was Europe about to regulate Elon Musk's platforms?
Oh that would go over well. Seems like they don't understand what NATO actually is
I for one would welcome the shuttering of US miltary bases in Europe and around the world. Bring it on.
Saves us money too, which could be used for social welfare systems lol none of this will happen.
For needy billionaires, maybe.
Nonsense sofa! Ehem so far
Well NATO works both ways, and we've seen recently what happens if russia decides to walk into a non-NATO country.
If russia walks into the USA then NATO (probably renamed to the European Defence something) will be sitting back going "hey, sucks to be you. Shame you're not in a mutual defence pact or something."
They might as well try and invade the moon.