Is there some way I can force Elon Musk to pay $47 to Cards Against Humanity PAC?
Funny you should ask! If you’re a registered voter in PA, GA, NV, AZ, NC, WI, or MI, just type your name into this dumb website for his PAC, put “[email protected]” as your referrer, and they'll be legally obligated to pay us $47. The more people who do this, the more Musk money we’ll get to un-fuck America.
We formed a Super PAC and bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet. It’s pretty fucked up.
The data you have on me is wrong! I didn’t vote in 2020 and it says I did, or it says I’m red-leaning when I’m definitely blue, or whatever. I demand you fix this.
Consider the teachings of Buddhism: “The seed of suffering in you may be strong, but don't wait until you have no more suffering before allowing yourself to be happy.”
Now, calm your mind and meditate on the knowledge that Cards Against Humanity does not have time for this shit
I didn’t vote in 2020 and it says I did, or it says I’m red-leaning when I’m definitely blue, or whatever.
Realistically they can't know who you voted for in the past. That you voted is public record, what ballots were voted is public record, but not a connection between voter and ballot. So how you lean is basically a guess based on information they could have (given what it says about me I'm guessing that lack of party affiliation and being in an extremely red state (I used to vote a mixed ticket, but solid blue since 2018 on the grounds that anyone affiliating themselves with the same party that could nominate Trump doesn't deserve my vote) are the main factors that drove the assumptions about my leanings that it provided.
I used to vote a mixed ticket, but solid blue since 2018 on the grounds that anyone affiliating themselves with the same party that could nominate Trump doesn't deserve my vote
Same. I wonder if there has been any analysis on the amount of people that have gone to solid blue all the way down the ballot solely due to Trump.
CAH never really drew me in. I got it was funny madlibs, but I just didn't care.
Now that they got all political, I may get some for my shelf, they deserve it.
All I did was put in my current zip code (different than 2020’s), phone, first, and last name, and it pulled up my full name and age and current city and political leaning (very blue).
I love how we've managed to come full circle. In the early 1900s buying votes was open and totally normalized.
Obviously it's fucked that Musk started this, and while it's pretty rad to see CAH surpass his dumb ass, this isn't going to be the end of it. This is just the genie getting loose.
It doesn't say anything about voting voting Trump, just blindly saying you support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Like I will gladly and openly say I completely agree with that, but there's not the slightest chance in hell I'm voting for Trump.
Cards Against Humanity however is very carefully threading the needle around committing election fraud. They're paying you to make a plan to vote, but not based on whether or not you actually follow that plan and vote. The latter is very explicitly turnout buying, what CAH is doing is possibly just far enough away to be legal. I'd be shocked if no one uses them over it though as close as it is.
CAH is also clearly saying "what we are doing is fucked up and shouldn't be legal." They are bringing attention to the fact that this shouldn't be legal to encourage laws to be updated.
Yeah, but CAH is cutting it much closer than Musk. Bribing people to sign a petition that says you support basic constitutional rights you already have is a lot farther away from buying votes or buying turnout than what CAH is doing, which is walking as close to the line as they think they can get away with to show just how far out the line is.
I love how we’ve managed to come full circle. In the early 1900s buying votes was open and totally normalized.
Literally one of the reasons we switched to a secret ballot (it's less effective to buy votes if you can't know who they voted for) in the first place. The first places to switch started in the 1890s, and the last state to switch over did so in 1950.
Canada is the comma of nations. Technically it's supposed to be there, but no one notices if it's missing.
Canada's influence is so weak they couldn't even convince the world their bacon is actually bacon.
Canada's claim to fame is being slightly more interesting than North Dakota.
Canada's national anthem sounds like an apology letter set to music.
Canada's idea of influence is having 90% of their population living within 100 miles of the US border and constantly asking "hey what are you guys up to, eh?"
Canada only exists today because it is America’s hat and the founding fathers drew a line way farther south than the British originally thought they would. You can actually find the map used by the British which showed just how much territory they were willing to give to America after the revolutionary war, it’s wild to think about.
I've enjoyed every time I've ever been to Canada except for one time when a young truck driver and his friend at a bar took offense to me calling him an asshole for being rude to the bartender, tried to beat me up in the bar, got kicked out, and then over an hour later when me and gf called a cab and left, he and his friend popped up from behind a snowbank across the street and sprinted at us.
We got into the cab before they got there, the driver was confused, we told him to lock the doors and go, and then the dudes got there and started beating on the windows screaming for us to get out. Then the driver got it and peeled off.
Alcohol: it's not for everyone. But I almost have to admire the dedication to wait outside behind a snowbank for over an hour in the middle of winter just to try to beat someone up for saying "don't be such an asshole." Turns out not all Canadians are nice!
You can actually find the map used by the British which showed just how much territory they were willing to give to America after the revolutionary war,
This piqued my curiosity. It took some digging but I found what you're referring to - any other curious readers can search their favourite engine for the following:
"Oswalt red line map treaty of Paris"
There aren't many sources and none are particularly high quality, but it's certainly interesting.
Based on your .nl, I will assume you are tall, ride a bike everywhere, and love cheese. But I’m sure some yank will find something offensive to call you. Just be patient.
Yes, so you vote this year, get others to vote, and then spend the next 4 years working to overturn the electoral college and get ranked choice voting implemented. If you truly care, that's where you'll direct that passion.
If you truly care, that’s where you’ll direct that passion.
Here's a question: are you doing all of that yourself?
It just sounds to me like you're attempting to say that people shouldn't care or shouldn't be frustrated if they're not willing to spend every waking minute of their lives working towards change. And yes, while change does take time and effort, asking average citizens to go above and beyond doing their civic duty of voting is a bit much.
This genuinely sounds like usual Republican rhetoric of "if you cared so much it wouldn't be this way."
it's up to you guys stop stop your neighbors from voting (as well as cast your own ballots). i would use any tool in the bag. this could be the end of the world if he wins. i don't feel like that's an exaggeration.
Presumably that qualifies as vandalism unless you own 10 feet of property in a ring around his house, which is an uncommon situation. Depending on the wording it might also qualify as attempted kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment or something along those lines.
I just looked up the vandalism laws in my state and I didn't see the sentence "building a most around your neighbor's house is illegal" anywhere, so I think I'm in the clear
I mean, you can vote and still get paid; I don't live in a swing state but I got a whopping $0.17 for my efforts! It's moreso about getting a voting plan together.
If only I lived in a swing state. Then my vote could have meaning
You presumably live in a state where you are firmly in the minority party? Otherwise you very definitely don't wish you were in a swing state.
To put it simply, swing states are just the biggest states that are purple enough that you can't safely predict what will happen. States like Texas or California going purple would immediately make them the most important swing state by far.
The GOP is terrified Texas might become a swing state. If through some strange alchemy California were to become a swing state it would be an existential threat to the Democrats.
I fucking WISH we would go at least deep purple. Ive been seeing "Cats for Kamala" and "Harris Walz 2024" all over the place, and while it makes me happy, I also have to remember that I live in a very blue city in Texas. Im worried about all the rural people who are literally afraid of society.
So you do live in a state where you are firmly in the minority party, and thus the state going purple can only benefit your party. Imagine you with your current politics moved to California, would you want it to become a purple state?
So this is probably a plan to call out Elon musk's stupid "pay to sign a petition" plan. Basically just buying votes. The more attention these schemes get, the more likely they will be made officially illegal.
Cards Against Humanity is exploiting a legal loophole to pay America’s blue-leaning non-voters to (1) apologize for not voting last time, (2) walk us through a step-by-step plan of how they’d vote this time, and (3) post “Donald Trump is a human toilet” on social media. This whole thing should probably be illegal—so quick, give us your money before they change the law!
Highly recommend giving the whole thing a read. It's pretty funny (and messed up)
Up to their sole discretion they decide to give you between $0.01-$100, via paypal only if you allow them to collect your info and pass that info to "necessary parties".
This is well and fine for anyone who doesnt really care about that and im sure they have better interests in line with you moreso than other companies, but figured I'd post their Terms and Conditions for those that it might affect.
I dont use paypal as its literally one of the worst ways to manage money in the US. So I'm not doing this unfortunately even though i AM voting and didn't vote in 2020.
Now that you mention it, anyone still using Twitter could just go right now and tweet Donald Trump is a human toilet for free. And they could right now. Go do it.
Is there some way I can force Elon Musk to pay $47 to Cards Against Humanity PAC?
Funny you should ask! If you’re a registered voter in PA, GA, NV, AZ, NC, WI, or MI, just type your name into this dumb website for his PAC, put “[email protected]” as your referrer, and they'll be legally obligated to pay us $47. The more people who do this, the more Musk money we’ll get to un-fuck America.
I live in texas. Send me a venmo link. Ill buy the cards through their portal, ship them to you, and match your contribution to elevatedaccess.org to provide funding to individuals in need of abortion transportation and gender affirming care. I already fly for them. This is the least i can do. Lets go.
As buying the card seems to be a political donation I don't think that would be very legal. Afaik it is highly illegal to donate on behave of a non-citizen or non-resident.
But idk what the law says about donating more then you can afford and then stabalizing your finances by selling a whole bunch of vanity CAH cards on ebay.
Federal law prohibits anyone from knowingly or willfully paying or offering to pay or accepting payment for registering to vote or voting (42 USC § 1973i(c)). It applies to primaries and elections that have candidates on the ballot for the office of president, vice president, presidential elector, or member of Congress, whether or not the violation alleges payment related to a candidate for one of those particular offices. It includes criminal penalties for violations. -
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2001/rpt/2001-R-0132.htm
It sucks when Elon does this shit just as much as when someone does it for your team, guys.
The CAH folks have pretty good lawyers. Judging purely on the fact that they formed a Super PAC, they likely have good legal cover.
I found this pretty interesting:
How do you know who didn’t vote?
We formed a Super PAC and bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet. It’s pretty fucked up.
And later on:
How do you know who’s “blue leaning”?
We got your partisan lean from the same data broker who sold us your voting history. You wouldn’t believe how easy it was for us to get this stuff. So fucked up!
If they are basing this on which primary you vote in, it's going to be terrible since people like me who live in a swing state vote in the Republican primary since that's a more effective use of my vote than the Democratic primary.
I dont doubt that they have good lawyers but the law doesn't just have penalties for the people paying out, it also has penalties for accepting it. Even if they were offering free legal services to people who participate it still wouldn't be worth it.
Try giving that loophole explanation to any reasonable and professional judge and see how far that gets you.
Flip the sides and I would be surprised if a Trump appointed judge didnt accept some kind of bullshit loophole like this.
I love CAH as much as the next degen but this feels iffy at best. But also they presumable ran this passed at least one lawyer who said ‘fuck it lets ball’ so maybe there is a leg to stand on here.
I really do not think its worth gambling with federal charges over (up to*)$100, but if you're willing to risk it by all means, submit to their public shaming for a pittance, or implicate yourself by contributing. I just want people to know what they're getting into.
I don't even understand his petition. It's hardly asking for any change. Just saying if you support the first and second amendment. I'm not seeing the point... Am I missing the subtext?
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their "offer" is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren't saying you have to vote for a specific party.
Merely paying you to vote at all is illegal. But they're not doing that - they're paying you to make a plan to vote, to post a tweet and to make a public apology. Nothing says you have to go through with the plan to vote, merely that you make one - and that distinction is the legal line they are walking.
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their "offer" is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren't saying you have to vote for a specific party.
"America's bluest non voters" and "tweet Donald trump is.....". Looks like they are only paying if you agree with their politics. That is buying votes. Offering it to all non voters is one thing but the other requirements make it shady. Just as bad as Elon Musk "sign a petition". neither should be permitted.
Everyone is posting about getting paid for their apology. I did my part by getting a pack, and I want to post, too. What should I post?
You should post:
How is this not illegal??? Cards Against Humanity is PAYING people who didn't vote in 2020 to apologize, make a voting plan, and post #DonaldTrumpIsAHumanToilet—up to $100 for blue-leaning people in swing states. I helped by getting a 2024 Election Pack: www.Apologize.lol
That's the point. Draw attention to the illegal shit Musk is doing so that maybe the one remaining judge in the US who wants to uphold the Constitution might do something about it.
No, it's not. Specifically because they aren't actually requiring you to vote - they are paying you to make a public apology, post a tweet, and come up with a plan to vote but not based on whether or not you actually go through with that plan or vote at all. That distinction is the specific legal line they are walking.
You've got a point, if Elon did this for the right people would be screaming corruption, paying people only if they agree to vote the way you want them to is shady as fuck regardless of which side is doing it
I'm probably just joining you in getting dogpiled here but oh well
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, because Elon actually is doing that.
In both these cases, the payment technically isn't directly for voting for a specific candidate. The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with. Either way, still smells bad.
But the petition is being sold here as "pledging to vote for Trump". which it plainly isn't. It's also been sold in this Lemmy thread as paying voters to sign a petition that only Trump voters would ever agree to sign.
The petition that allegedly only Trump voters would ever agree to sign, only states that you support free speech and gun rights. Whether or not I think Musk actually genuinely supports those things (I don't) is irrelevant, that's what the actual petition says.
I'm not being sarcastic, and I don't follow American politics that closely so I didn't know about this. I also don't see why people think the right response to that is to just do the same thing though
I'm not following, I don't live in the US. If he's doing it too that also sucks but I don't think stooping to that level is the way to solve that problem
Having read up on the article about musk doing this, he's not restricting it to people who are going to vote for a specific party which is the thing I take issue with.
Nothing wrong with paying people to vote in general, paying people only if they are going to vote the way you want them to sucks
I can't actually find the tweet you're talking about but I'm assuming he's deleted it or something
From what people are saying it sounds like he was just paying non voters to vote at all, not restricting it to only people who shared his political beliefs
I'd applaud it if that was what CAH were doing but they're specifically whitelisting people they agree with to be able to get the money, IE paying people to agree with them
They are paying "people that didn't vote in 2020". It is ultimately a foil of Musks rightwing, but not reaaalllyy wiiink. Just theirs it more aimed towards blue voters, but only because the right struggles to insult their godking...but ultimately it is just words and not telling them to VOTE BLUE.
Just like Musk is trying to get his predominantly red crowed to register and get paid, but not TELLING them to vote red
It is completely asinine and a symptom of our trash system.
Cah literally say in their FAQ that this is only offered to "the bluest voters" and imply (whether it's true or not I don't know) that they have information about who's voted what and when to verify that
Read their FAQ (it's quite informative and pretty funny too!). Afaik you can if you actually didn't vote the last time, lean blue, and are eligible to vote in a swing state
One could only hope if they did end up at an epstein party it's at least good
What? If your only crime is being there and not helping the victims is it too much to ask that the music and food don't suck and the booze not be watered down
Is Kamala that unpopular that you have to pay people to vote. This is Hilary all over again. And yes I know it's response to Musk but this wouldn't have been necessary with Obama.
Seems a bit patronizing to imply non-voters exist because of republican propaganda and not apathy caused by generations of being fucked over by politicians on both sides.
I'm not saying don't vote, or don't vote blue, but don't expect non-voters to give a fuck about what you have to say when you dismiss their concerns and imply they aren't voting because republicans tricked them.
They don't need to stop. What they should do is adopt progressive policies that will excite the base. Number #1 would be stopping all arms sales to Israel.
You're only flippant about Israel because you're confident Harris will win. I'm going to laugh at all the liberals if Trump wins a second time because you didn't take the concerns of the youth vote seriously and thought you could appeal to enough moderate Republicans.
People who give a shit about Palestine (and I find it weird you never actually used the word Palestine) will not take the course of action that will make things significantly worse for the people in Palestine.
The people who do nothing about a situation are still better than the people who want to make it so much worse.
The 2 party system forces politicians to do 1 of 2 things:
Lie to and manipulate uneducated voters into thinking they're the best option.
Only enact middle of the road policies everyone likes to get voters in the middle to swing the vote in their favor.
Our two party system is too entrenched to ever pass laws to remove itself, thus this will always be how politics works in the US. We should all be focused on some form of multiple choice voting like ranked choice if we ever want something different than the above, but I see no reality where the dems and gop come together and dilute their own power by making this a reality.
You egg. A far left candidate would lose to Trump so hard that the climate would be forced to turn into magma without any more help. Elections are about choosing the better of two options. Nobody us going to put up a candidate you agree with on everything: no such candidate exists.
Could we at least get a candidate who agrees with us on anything? They don't even have to mean it; Obama was wildly successful because he made promises he had no intention of keeping.
A lot of people are lazy and just assuming Trump will lose, won't vote. Others it's a challenge because they have to take time off work as voting day is not a holiday in the US. Additionally some polling locations have long lines, something notoriously common in low-income areas. People have been known to wait many hours just to vote and so not surprisingly these areas often have lower turnout due to frustration.
The website
https://www.apologize.lol/
Lmao
The whole FAQ is pretty amazing. My favorites:
How do you know who didn’t vote?
We formed a Super PAC and bought the personal voting records of every American citizen from a data broker we found on the internet. It’s pretty fucked up.
The data you have on me is wrong! I didn’t vote in 2020 and it says I did, or it says I’m red-leaning when I’m definitely blue, or whatever. I demand you fix this.
Consider the teachings of Buddhism: “The seed of suffering in you may be strong, but don't wait until you have no more suffering before allowing yourself to be happy.”
Now, calm your mind and meditate on the knowledge that Cards Against Humanity does not have time for this shit
Realistically they can't know who you voted for in the past. That you voted is public record, what ballots were voted is public record, but not a connection between voter and ballot. So how you lean is basically a guess based on information they could have (given what it says about me I'm guessing that lack of party affiliation and being in an extremely red state (I used to vote a mixed ticket, but solid blue since 2018 on the grounds that anyone affiliating themselves with the same party that could nominate Trump doesn't deserve my vote) are the main factors that drove the assumptions about my leanings that it provided.
Same. I wonder if there has been any analysis on the amount of people that have gone to solid blue all the way down the ballot solely due to Trump.
ahahaha!!
Bad news possibly: are the MAGA schemers gonna send people to the Cards Against Humanity site and then ask for a $50 donation to even things out?
That was actually addressed it seems! (In the FAQs at the bottom of the site)
Beautiful.
Hilarious. Elon sucks.
Now that's how you build a proper mobile website!
Also
LMFAO, I should steal that and use it against those transphobic turds on Xitter complaining about Godot
CAH never really drew me in. I got it was funny madlibs, but I just didn't care. Now that they got all political, I may get some for my shelf, they deserve it.
I didn't know lol was a valid ICANN Top Level Domain
lol
You sound like an ICANT, with that thinking!
They can't find my info after I put in my last 3 addresses 😭
Then double check that you are registered to vote!!!
All I did was put in my current zip code (different than 2020’s), phone, first, and last name, and it pulled up my full name and age and current city and political leaning (very blue).
Wild that they can just buy this data.
Are there any more funny jokes after that button? I only get
(Which is still funny)
And how much did they offer you?
Since I voted in the last election, nothing.
I love how we've managed to come full circle. In the early 1900s buying votes was open and totally normalized.
Obviously it's fucked that Musk started this, and while it's pretty rad to see CAH surpass his dumb ass, this isn't going to be the end of it. This is just the genie getting loose.
There's a fun bit on the official website where they tell you how to get Musk to pay them $47.
https://petition.theamericapac.org/
For those curious.
What's the legal reasoning behind it?
I think it's because Musk is offering money to people who get other people to sign up and pledge to vote Trump.
It doesn't say anything about voting voting Trump, just blindly saying you support the 1st and 2nd amendment. Like I will gladly and openly say I completely agree with that, but there's not the slightest chance in hell I'm voting for Trump.
Cards Against Humanity however is very carefully threading the needle around committing election fraud. They're paying you to make a plan to vote, but not based on whether or not you actually follow that plan and vote. The latter is very explicitly turnout buying, what CAH is doing is possibly just far enough away to be legal. I'd be shocked if no one uses them over it though as close as it is.
CAH is also clearly saying "what we are doing is fucked up and shouldn't be legal." They are bringing attention to the fact that this shouldn't be legal to encourage laws to be updated.
Yeah, but CAH is cutting it much closer than Musk. Bribing people to sign a petition that says you support basic constitutional rights you already have is a lot farther away from buying votes or buying turnout than what CAH is doing, which is walking as close to the line as they think they can get away with to show just how far out the line is.
Which funny because they're simultaneously phasing out parts off the first amendment.
I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea. I was just providing the link from the image.
Consorship right?( Smartass lib)
cards should be working as dem strategists
Literally one of the reasons we switched to a secret ballot (it's less effective to buy votes if you can't know who they voted for) in the first place. The first places to switch started in the 1890s, and the last state to switch over did so in 1950.
This is some bullshit, I can’t even lend a hand
as a British pervert, I'm guessing you must be the Canadian?
So for the first time we don’t get lumped in with the yanks, we get lumped in with the Brits instead???
We just can’t win.
Canada is the comma of nations. Technically it's supposed to be there, but no one notices if it's missing.
Canada's influence is so weak they couldn't even convince the world their bacon is actually bacon.
Canada's claim to fame is being slightly more interesting than North Dakota.
Canada's national anthem sounds like an apology letter set to music.
Canada's idea of influence is having 90% of their population living within 100 miles of the US border and constantly asking "hey what are you guys up to, eh?"
Edit: (Love you, Canada!)
Canada only exists today because it is America’s hat and the founding fathers drew a line way farther south than the British originally thought they would. You can actually find the map used by the British which showed just how much territory they were willing to give to America after the revolutionary war, it’s wild to think about.
I've enjoyed every time I've ever been to Canada except for one time when a young truck driver and his friend at a bar took offense to me calling him an asshole for being rude to the bartender, tried to beat me up in the bar, got kicked out, and then over an hour later when me and gf called a cab and left, he and his friend popped up from behind a snowbank across the street and sprinted at us.
We got into the cab before they got there, the driver was confused, we told him to lock the doors and go, and then the dudes got there and started beating on the windows screaming for us to get out. Then the driver got it and peeled off.
Alcohol: it's not for everyone. But I almost have to admire the dedication to wait outside behind a snowbank for over an hour in the middle of winter just to try to beat someone up for saying "don't be such an asshole." Turns out not all Canadians are nice!
This piqued my curiosity. It took some digging but I found what you're referring to - any other curious readers can search their favourite engine for the following:
"Oswalt red line map treaty of Paris"
There aren't many sources and none are particularly high quality, but it's certainly interesting.
Don't worry if anyone sees you...
All the lights are on, but the blinds are down.
Nope. I am neither, and I get the same text. It's probably US Only.
American politics forces itself on me and I can't even vote in their elections, that's fucking bullshit. No spamming without representation!
I'm not Canadian, nor British. I demand an apology! And a proper insult to my nationality! 😄
Based on your .nl, I will assume you are tall, ride a bike everywhere, and love cheese. But I’m sure some yank will find something offensive to call you. Just be patient.
Same here! As we all would be victims if Trump get reelected, I'd like to support you and buy those cards!
If only I lived in a swing state. Then my vote could have meaning and I could get paid for it.
Must be great to live in one of the seven states that's allowed to decide our election thanks to the electoral college.
State and local elections still matter outside of the electoral college!
I'm aware. I already participate in those.
Doesn't change the fact that my vote regarding the highest office in the country is a pointless effort.
Yes, so you vote this year, get others to vote, and then spend the next 4 years working to overturn the electoral college and get ranked choice voting implemented. If you truly care, that's where you'll direct that passion.
Stay focused.
Here's a question: are you doing all of that yourself?
It just sounds to me like you're attempting to say that people shouldn't care or shouldn't be frustrated if they're not willing to spend every waking minute of their lives working towards change. And yes, while change does take time and effort, asking average citizens to go above and beyond doing their civic duty of voting is a bit much.
This genuinely sounds like usual Republican rhetoric of "if you cared so much it wouldn't be this way."
Yeah, swing states are where it's at. From Nate Silver's forecast, the states most likely to tip the election (as of today, Oct 9).
I live in the Philly suburbs and it's disturbing how many Trump signs I see in my area. I really really fucking hope he doesn't win this state.
it's up to you guys stop stop your neighbors from voting (as well as cast your own ballots). i would use any tool in the bag. this could be the end of the world if he wins. i don't feel like that's an exaggeration.
I've already mailed in my ballot. Not sure what you're suggesting in terms of stopping my neighbors from voting but that sounds highly illegal.
Show me one law that explicitly states it's illegal to build a 10ft wide moat around my neighbor's house
Presumably that qualifies as vandalism unless you own 10 feet of property in a ring around his house, which is an uncommon situation. Depending on the wording it might also qualify as attempted kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment or something along those lines.
I just looked up the vandalism laws in my state and I didn't see the sentence "building a most around your neighbor's house is illegal" anywhere, so I think I'm in the clear
I mean, you can vote and still get paid; I don't live in a swing state but I got a whopping $0.17 for my efforts! It's moreso about getting a voting plan together.
You presumably live in a state where you are firmly in the minority party? Otherwise you very definitely don't wish you were in a swing state.
To put it simply, swing states are just the biggest states that are purple enough that you can't safely predict what will happen. States like Texas or California going purple would immediately make them the most important swing state by far.
The GOP is terrified Texas might become a swing state. If through some strange alchemy California were to become a swing state it would be an existential threat to the Democrats.
I fucking WISH we would go at least deep purple. Ive been seeing "Cats for Kamala" and "Harris Walz 2024" all over the place, and while it makes me happy, I also have to remember that I live in a very blue city in Texas. Im worried about all the rural people who are literally afraid of society.
So you do live in a state where you are firmly in the minority party, and thus the state going purple can only benefit your party. Imagine you with your current politics moved to California, would you want it to become a purple state?
Funny isn't it. 95% of Americans are effectively disenfranchised but nobody gives a fuck.
So this is probably a plan to call out Elon musk's stupid "pay to sign a petition" plan. Basically just buying votes. The more attention these schemes get, the more likely they will be made officially illegal.
Sort of a Satanic Temple maneuver. I like it.
From Apologize.lol
Highly recommend giving the whole thing a read. It's pretty funny (and messed up)
Gosh I really like the phrase "Donald trump is a human toilet". I'm gonna use it
I hear that Donald Trump the human toilet likes to have golden showers from underage girls.
JD Vance told me so
Must've been in between his casting sessions.
I'm pretty sure they're using the money from Elmo using a plot of their land they bought to stall the border wall
It's just a shame we don't have an option this election for a president against a border wall...
They said they were sharing the Elmo money with those who originally helped them buy that plot.
Up to their sole discretion they decide to give you between $0.01-$100, via paypal only if you allow them to collect your info and pass that info to "necessary parties".
This is well and fine for anyone who doesnt really care about that and im sure they have better interests in line with you moreso than other companies, but figured I'd post their Terms and Conditions for those that it might affect.
I dont use paypal as its literally one of the worst ways to manage money in the US. So I'm not doing this unfortunately even though i AM voting and didn't vote in 2020.
Thanks for posting this, and thanks for voting!
Absolutely. 2020 made me wildly apathetic towards humanity. I've decided to move onto optimistic nihilism instead lol.
I'll play the shit out of a violin while the titanic sinks just for the laughs.
Hey, welcome to team optimistic nihilism, haha. Nothing matters but at least it'll be a fun trip down!
Expand on why PayPal is especially, specificallyworse than other mainstream payment processing options?
This is not a reason for me to not participate.
Zulu, you never responded...
Damn I could have made 147$ this election if I was in a swing state lmao
Great way for me to learn Ohio is considered a lost cause I guess? Not sure if i disagree (or care), for that matter; I want out.
Always has been.
Every trump election we’re assumed for him. I had hope in 16, but and maybe this year, but I think it’ll take issue 1 to drive us there
Now that you mention it, anyone still using Twitter could just go right now and tweet Donald Trump is a human toilet for free. And they could right now. Go do it.
Funny but it has to be illegal right?
They have a pretty fun FAQ on the campaign site explaining the legality of it.
Ok that was both funny and depressing in equal measures.
pretty fucked up right
Its also coming after elon started tweeting that he would pay people $47 for registering swing state voters in support of trump.
And apparently if you register in his site with CAH as the referer, they'll be obligated to pay CAH.
super pac gaming baby. Who needs legality when the supreme court just fucking explicitly allows it.
paying for apology, making a plan of voting, and a tweet?
it is not and this is where we are at.
Not a great game, legendary company!
Already bought mine!
Her's how you might also be able to help:
I will absolutely share this around after checking it out myself, but what is a good response for the inevitable "they're bribing people to vote"?
They are, but they're doing it to troll Elon offering $47 for referrals of swing voters willing to sign petitions supporting conservative ideals.
They're paying for an apology for not voting in 2020, there's no obligation to vote in 2024.
I can't buy the card pack from Canada 😡 I wanna help
I live in texas. Send me a venmo link. Ill buy the cards through their portal, ship them to you, and match your contribution to elevatedaccess.org to provide funding to individuals in need of abortion transportation and gender affirming care. I already fly for them. This is the least i can do. Lets go.
Canadians don't have Venmo either 🙃
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Legend
No easy way to send money over the border. No venmo, and our 'interac Etransfer' doesn't work for American banks :/
I got a buddy in California who's gonna buy it and ship it to me
I did not know that. Til.
The offer still stands, through alternative means apparently.
How great is etransfer, though? Venmo seems like total trash from what I've seen of it.
It's offered as a free service through our major banks.
No fees for transfers up to 5k (I think?). Nearly instant transfers. Pretty hassle free
Yeah, i love it and use it often. I may not have expressed that rhetorical thought well!
It was early for me lol. Missed it completely
PayPal isn't great but it's a relatively easy way to send money and very common.
There's also Wise, and various other smaller apps.
Thank you for being a good human being!
As buying the card seems to be a political donation I don't think that would be very legal. Afaik it is highly illegal to donate on behave of a non-citizen or non-resident.
But idk what the law says about donating more then you can afford and then stabalizing your finances by selling a whole bunch of vanity CAH cards on ebay.
It sucks when Elon does this shit just as much as when someone does it for your team, guys.
The CAH folks have pretty good lawyers. Judging purely on the fact that they formed a Super PAC, they likely have good legal cover.
I found this pretty interesting:
And later on:
If they are basing this on which primary you vote in, it's going to be terrible since people like me who live in a swing state vote in the Republican primary since that's a more effective use of my vote than the Democratic primary.
I question the accuracy of their political lean assessment. I'm blazingly progressive and it has me down as "purple". Bitch, I'm a socialist.
I dont doubt that they have good lawyers but the law doesn't just have penalties for the people paying out, it also has penalties for accepting it. Even if they were offering free legal services to people who participate it still wouldn't be worth it.
They couldn't find me at all :(
Hm, the tweet says they need to make a voting plan, not that they need to show that they've officially registered or voted. Loophole?
Try giving that loophole explanation to a Trump appointed judge and see how far that gets you. Do not risk federal charges for this stupid shit.
Try giving that loophole explanation to any reasonable and professional judge and see how far that gets you.
Flip the sides and I would be surprised if a Trump appointed judge didnt accept some kind of bullshit loophole like this.
I love CAH as much as the next degen but this feels iffy at best. But also they presumable ran this passed at least one lawyer who said ‘fuck it lets ball’ so maybe there is a leg to stand on here.
I really do not think its worth gambling with federal charges over (up to*)$100, but if you're willing to risk it by all means, submit to their public shaming for a pittance, or implicate yourself by contributing. I just want people to know what they're getting into.
My guy, I’m agreeing with your point. This probably wouldn’t hold up as legal in court, but also IANAL.
apologies, I misread. i'm maybe a little more annoyed about this than I realized.
Trump appointed judges should just be ignored then.
They're not paying you to vote, they're paying for you to apologize. I'm sure they have sufficient legal backing.
Can they target the electoral college since they're the ones that overturned the popular vote in the first place???
I know this is a response to musk's bullshit, but this makes it sound like trump won the popular vote in 2016. He did not.
....is that legal? That feels like paying people for votes, and I'm like...80% sure that's illegal?
No where does it say you only get the money if you vote.
Also, it's a response to Musk who did the same thing but more hateful.
I don't even understand his petition. It's hardly asking for any change. Just saying if you support the first and second amendment. I'm not seeing the point... Am I missing the subtext?
It's a response to Elon paying people $47 to get signatures on a petition from voters in swing states. It's parody/satire but also serious to a degree
Data collection I assume.
Nowhere do they actually require anyone to vote or to vote a specific way
They're paying people to apologize for not voting in 2020, which does not include them voting in the next election.
It is! Isn't that fucked up?
They're my heroes
Chaotic good
The FAQs are a riot in the Campaign PAC site.
Here
I'm sorry but I won't tweet even for $100.
Nothing in there even mentioned twitter. It said: a public apologyThat's it
Edit: turns out my reading comprehension needs work
"...and tweet 'Donald Trump is a human toilet'."
Touché
...would they still pay me if I posted on Mastodon instead?
(Well, obviously they wouldn't pay me -- I did my duty as a citizen and voted in 2020 -- but...)
Would you tweet 100 times for $10000?
Since it's targeting people who don't give a fuck, is it called "cash for fucks?"
Bucks 4 Fucks
Isn't that like buying votes?
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their "offer" is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren't saying you have to vote for a specific party.
Merely paying you to vote at all is illegal. But they're not doing that - they're paying you to make a plan to vote, to post a tweet and to make a public apology. Nothing says you have to go through with the plan to vote, merely that you make one - and that distinction is the legal line they are walking.
Absolutely, no argument there!
They are specifically paying for a plan to vote.
But they aren't requiring people to follow through on the plan.
No, certainly not.
Well, they are specifically doing a call to action to vote, part of their "offer" is that you make a plan to vote. But they aren't saying you have to vote for a specific party.
"America's bluest non voters" and "tweet Donald trump is.....". Looks like they are only paying if you agree with their politics. That is buying votes. Offering it to all non voters is one thing but the other requirements make it shady. Just as bad as Elon Musk "sign a petition". neither should be permitted.
They know
That's the point. Draw attention to the illegal shit Musk is doing so that maybe the one remaining judge in the US who wants to uphold the Constitution might do something about it.
No, it's not. Specifically because they aren't actually requiring you to vote - they are paying you to make a public apology, post a tweet, and come up with a plan to vote but not based on whether or not you actually go through with that plan or vote at all. That distinction is the specific legal line they are walking.
blue also means sad...LOOPHOLE! (You know...the whole point....)
You've got a point, if Elon did this for the right people would be screaming corruption, paying people only if they agree to vote the way you want them to is shady as fuck regardless of which side is doing it
I'm probably just joining you in getting dogpiled here but oh well
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not, because Elon actually is doing that.
In both these cases, the payment technically isn't directly for voting for a specific candidate. The payment is for an unrelated action that only someone voting for your candidate would agree with. Either way, still smells bad.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2024/10/07/elon-musks-pac-is-paying-47-for-each-solicited-petition-signature-from-a-swing-state-voter-heres-why-its-controversial/
Supporting free speech and gun rights (literally all the petition says) is something only a Trump voter would agree with?
You think Musk supports free speech in any way, form or shape?
Didn't say that.
But the petition is being sold here as "pledging to vote for Trump". which it plainly isn't. It's also been sold in this Lemmy thread as paying voters to sign a petition that only Trump voters would ever agree to sign.
The petition that allegedly only Trump voters would ever agree to sign, only states that you support free speech and gun rights. Whether or not I think Musk actually genuinely supports those things (I don't) is irrelevant, that's what the actual petition says.
I'm not being sarcastic, and I don't follow American politics that closely so I didn't know about this. I also don't see why people think the right response to that is to just do the same thing though
Because being this blunt about it will likely get it made illegal.
They're doing it specifically to point out how bullshit it is. Read the FAQ: https://apologize.lol
That's fair enough if it's to raise awareness about the fact this is legal, doesn't seem like that's the main focus though
But... he is doing it?
I'm not following, I don't live in the US. If he's doing it too that also sucks but I don't think stooping to that level is the way to solve that problem
It's been pointed out that he is in fact doing it, several times actually. I'm actually pretty sure this is directly a result of the Muskrat doing it.
Then read through the website linked and understand what is going on here if you're not following.
Having read up on the article about musk doing this, he's not restricting it to people who are going to vote for a specific party which is the thing I take issue with.
Nothing wrong with paying people to vote in general, paying people only if they are going to vote the way you want them to sucks
He posted it on X under his account...it might as well said "maga only".
I can't actually find the tweet you're talking about but I'm assuming he's deleted it or something
From what people are saying it sounds like he was just paying non voters to vote at all, not restricting it to only people who shared his political beliefs
I'd applaud it if that was what CAH were doing but they're specifically whitelisting people they agree with to be able to get the money, IE paying people to agree with them
They are paying "people that didn't vote in 2020". It is ultimately a foil of Musks rightwing, but not reaaalllyy wiiink. Just theirs it more aimed towards blue voters, but only because the right struggles to insult their godking...but ultimately it is just words and not telling them to VOTE BLUE. Just like Musk is trying to get his predominantly red crowed to register and get paid, but not TELLING them to vote red
It is completely asinine and a symptom of our trash system.
Cah literally say in their FAQ that this is only offered to "the bluest voters" and imply (whether it's true or not I don't know) that they have information about who's voted what and when to verify that
No more so that Elon
Boom. Bought.
I think it is confusing for a company to do nice things.
Can I just do all those things and take $100? I'm already planning on voting but it'd sure help.
Read their FAQ (it's quite informative and pretty funny too!). Afaik you can if you actually didn't vote the last time, lean blue, and are eligible to vote in a swing state
One could only hope if they did end up at an epstein party it's at least good
What? If your only crime is being there and not helping the victims is it too much to ask that the music and food don't suck and the booze not be watered down
2020 was the first and last election I'll participate in. Fuck America and fuck you(including tankies).
Is Kamala that unpopular that you have to pay people to vote. This is Hilary all over again. And yes I know it's response to Musk but this wouldn't have been necessary with Obama.
It’s necessary because of all the money the other side has pumped in to getting morons to vote for a moron.
If we want that to stop, I think using the same tactics while pointing out how it shouldn’t even be allowed is a pretty good strategy.
Read through their statement https://www.apologize.lol/
Seems a bit patronizing to imply non-voters exist because of republican propaganda and not apathy caused by generations of being fucked over by politicians on both sides.
I'm not saying don't vote, or don't vote blue, but don't expect non-voters to give a fuck about what you have to say when you dismiss their concerns and imply they aren't voting because republicans tricked them.
It’s absolutely patronizing, but it’s honest about its intentions.
I don't get your point. I'm saying that belittling non-voters and misrepresenting their motivations is fucking horrible way to get them to vote.
Liberals should spend less time berating leftists and more time criticizing their politicians for being shitty candidates.
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If you feel belittled that’s on you.
You're getting downvoted by centrists. A trick I learned is to preface every comment with "I'm voting for the lesser fascist this November, but..."
They don't need to stop. What they should do is adopt progressive policies that will excite the base. Number #1 would be stopping all arms sales to Israel.
Oh this again.
K the Israel thing isn’t going to happen. It’s fucked up, I know.
Anyway, that’s not what we were talking about. We were talking about money influencing politics. That’s what needs to stop.
You're only flippant about Israel because you're confident Harris will win. I'm going to laugh at all the liberals if Trump wins a second time because you didn't take the concerns of the youth vote seriously and thought you could appeal to enough moderate Republicans.
People who give a shit about Palestine (and I find it weird you never actually used the word Palestine) will not take the course of action that will make things significantly worse for the people in Palestine.
The people who do nothing about a situation are still better than the people who want to make it so much worse.
How is not voting for the perpetuators of genocide "taking the course of action that will male things significantly worse".
Do you understand what genocide is? It really doesn't get any worse.
The current American government is not actively involved in the bombing and is at least paying lip service to "this is bad and should stop".
Trump is on record saying they should carpet bomb the whole area and be done with it.
I’m not even American.
You’re changing the topic and I’m not interested.
The 2 party system forces politicians to do 1 of 2 things:
Our two party system is too entrenched to ever pass laws to remove itself, thus this will always be how politics works in the US. We should all be focused on some form of multiple choice voting like ranked choice if we ever want something different than the above, but I see no reality where the dems and gop come together and dilute their own power by making this a reality.
SAY ISRAEL ONE MO TIME MF.samueljackson
I meant to say Chalk Zone, because it doesn't exisit.
Jesus Christ, this guy is going for Gold in the 1500 meter Moving Goalposts Sprint.
I'm just trying to help. You're the one desperately buying votes.
To clarify: in what way are you trying to help?
Providing advise that will work. Anyway y'all ain't gonna listen so hail Trump I guess.
I've only heard you JAQing off. What's your 'advise' [sic]?
You egg. A far left candidate would lose to Trump so hard that the climate would be forced to turn into magma without any more help. Elections are about choosing the better of two options. Nobody us going to put up a candidate you agree with on everything: no such candidate exists.
Could we at least get a candidate who agrees with us on anything? They don't even have to mean it; Obama was wildly successful because he made promises he had no intention of keeping.
A lot of people are lazy and just assuming Trump will lose, won't vote. Others it's a challenge because they have to take time off work as voting day is not a holiday in the US. Additionally some polling locations have long lines, something notoriously common in low-income areas. People have been known to wait many hours just to vote and so not surprisingly these areas often have lower turnout due to frustration.
Friendly reminder that most states are now permitting at least early in-person voting for all voters, if not mail-in.
Only three states offer neither...NH, MS, and AL. Those ones, people have to show up in person on a random-ass Tuesday.